earlier this week on charges of acting as an unregistered foreign agent. will he remain locked up until at least monday when his bail hearing takes place and he s expected to plead not guilty. joining me now to discuss, former u.s. attorney and official chuck rosenberg. here is what i don t get. tom barrack has never been arrested before. does it surprise you that this guy is sitting in a jail cell until monday? how serious is this? well, second question first, stephanie, it s serious. it s not the crime of the century. it s not the lindbergh kidnapping but it s serious. it s a felony. not just one felony. it s several. not just that he was an unregistered agent for a foreign government. in this case, the united arab emirates but also when he was questioned by the fbi, he lied. it s serious, it s a felony. there s the prospect that if
send a different set of electors into the college who could somehow vote in trump instead of biden. despite the popular vote totals in those states. it s a preposterous plan, it s not constitutional, legal, it s what trump imagined and wanted pence to do. and, of course, it did not happen because january 20th, president biden was sworn in. beyond the pressure he put on his vice president. tell us how you find trump was trying to use the levers of government to try to overturn the results of the election. while there, did he give any sense as to what his future plans might be? do you think we ll see him again run for president in 2024? that second question first. he certainly indicated to us he wanted to run for president in 2024, he s serious about it, thinking and looking about it. that s three years away. that s a long time in politics. he s already 75 years old, so
as we mentioned, nbc news confirming a manhattan grand jury filed criminal docume indi against the trump organization and its long-term chief financial officer. we welcome back chuck rosenberg, former senior fbi official and attorney. happens to be the host of our msnbc podcast, the oath. chuck, what are you looking for tomorrow? and after, say, 2:00 p.m., when the indictments are unsealed, what chain of events does that then kick off? yeah. let me take the second question first, brian. after folks are indicted or, perhaps an organization, they appear in court. they are arraigned. they are presented with the charges. they plead guilty or not guilty. in this case, it will be not guilty, and the judge will set a status hearing or schedule of the next appearance.
want to censure democratic congresswoman ilhan of minnesota and members of the so called squad after controversial comments omar made last week comparing the u.s. and israel to taliban and hamas which the state department considers a terrorist group. omar later clarified but florida republican congressman mike walt said for members of the u.s. congress to make equivalencies to israel and the american military which puts its own soldiers at risk is shameful and should be condemned in strongest terms. ryan nobles joins me now. what would censuring these congresswomen mean and is it likely to happen? reporter: to answer the second question first, it s not likely to happen. what we see republicans doing and it s not this attempt but we re told the house minority leader kevin mccarthy may attempt to bring a privileged resolution to floor that would
the theory that it was ukrained a not russia that hacked the dnc e-mails in 2016? so, i ll take the second question first. any time there is information that indicates that any country has messed with american elections, we not only have a right but a duty to make sure we case that down. and i served as the cia director for the first year-and-a-half of this administration. can i assure you, there were many countries that were actively engaged if trying to undermine american democracy, our rule of law, the fundamental understandings we have here in the united states and you should know we were diligently, diligently working to make sure that we addressed each of them with every too many of american power that we had. so whomever it is, by the way it s not just i said nations, i think, it s not just state actors. there are non-state actors acting in ways deeply consistent with what we are trying to do to protect our elections. that from the secretary of