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And basically this place that was sieged turned into a joyous political rally with people clapping and dancing in circles and chanting and waving flags, and it was peaceful and still is peacef peaceful, and people from all different walks of life. there are islamists, secular, educated women here, there are teenagers, elderly intellectuals all milling around in what is a peaceful demonstration, and what had been a peaceful anti-government protests until the bloody, deadly clashes began here two ...

Prevent any kind of a secular reasonable opposition so that he can stay. if its not for me well have chaos in egypt and at times american officials have kind of believed that, but in the last few days i think that has lost all credibility because we had a peaceful secular largely secular democracy movement that was actually quite well organized and certainly very peaceful and then kind of erupted in chaos in the last couple of days because the president has sent his thugs to try to crush that mo...

And human rights. this is exactly what could happen in egypt. this is why i think that the transition should be managed very carefully. i think the best organization in egypt to manage this transition is the army. the army is secular. the army is very responsible. the army is very patriotic. omar suleiman, who was named vice president by mubarak, i think, has the support of the army and trust of many egyptains and the international community. i think if he manages this transition carefully and b...

Engaged on the ground? have we been engaged on the ground with credible secular leaders? we think of the analogy thats not all that perfect to poland and the reagan administrations nurturing of a true freedom movement in eastern europe. that was done and done over a period of years there are signs a lot of people saying this administration is bored by foreign policy and it wasnt engaged with those secular possibilities on the ground in egypt early enough. >> i think its an allusion to say that t...

>> to rephrase what you just said, its one thing to feel and be unified when you got a target of hatred such as mubarak. once hes gone you have to be for something. thats when history shows liberal democratic, secular, progressive forces fall apart because they fight over each other. fighting over petty again das. thats when a power vacuum forms and thats further when a more organized force can swoop in such as islamist forces. its exactly what happened in iran. its not that the iranian revoluti...

To see. there is a transition figure. there could be interim government before election. its unclear. what is the strength of the muslim brotherhood? it seems like egypt would rather have a secular, modernizing government, not islamic one. >> under two minutes to the president, charles. the military has a big say in what happens in egypt. >> we ought to be guided by the pie yot wisdom and information. not choose to be a king-maker. >> mubarak would be a disaster. the brotherhood would use him as...

None of them had a problem with the middle east part. they are more confidence in european i do. ive seen finance fight. worst case scenario, may not happen, but this is the goal of many of the people pulling the strings in the middle east. here is how a caliphate could play out. you have somalia and iran already in green. lets add tunisia. former tunisia government was considered the most secular corrupt government in the world. most dangerous scenario is radical muslims seize power and put sha...

King of his power to appoint a new prime minister and government. not all the demonstrators are islamists. many secular. they say the secular performance will be satisfied by concrete reform and a new government that battles government corruption. >> we have social demands coming in terms of services, in terms of income. disparity and other aspects. they only want reforms theneck round is planned for wednesday moves forward. mike tobin. back to you. >> bret: perhaps no middle eastern government ...

Muslim brotherhood takes a role, t.j. >> you said it there, takes a role. in so much of the coverage people are saying mubarak is out and the muslim brotherhood would move in. any indication that, yes, they want to be a part of the process, but any indication that they actually want to rule the country? >> well, mubarak has set faid f many years its either me or the islamest. the demonstrations we have seen, this is a secular, middle class university student taking to the streets. theyre capturi...

Is we have a separation of religion from state as a prerequisite to democracy. they appreciate human rights, those things that would be jeopardized should they fall into extremists taking over. i dont think people are oblivious to that. give people more faith. work with them. help them so that, indeed, we cannot have the wrong outcome and the best way to guarantee you wont have a wrong outcome is to help the institutions that are moderate, secular, democratic because the radicals will be margina...