saying you have returned - that sort of person. am i right in saying you have returned from i saying you have returned from ukraine. can you tell us about the work you have been doing? shatter work you have been doing? after chris s disappearance work you have been doing? after chris s disappearance we - work you have been doing? he chris s disappearance we were about to head off on a mission but we had to head off on a mission but we had to change security protocol. because we were worried about phones being compromised. it sounds like you are in ajames compromised. it sounds like you are in a james bond film. but this is reality. i think the west, public west, are not really aware of exactly what is going on. your phones are tapped. we were worried about our security. we did go over. we got back safe. but we are not on the front line as chris was. he was evacuating civilians, right in the heart of danger, where we tend to deliver aid, heart of danger, where we tend to deliveraid, d
told them look but don t read is not a standard you will find in any security protocol. i have spent years working in cases and skiffs. i m not allowed to bring someone into a skif and say don t look at the table or documents. that s not how this is done. the problem is really what happened after november 2nd. even if we assume that the white house did not know that there was potentially classified information or documents if the penn biden office, they clearly knew that after november 2nd. yet we re hearing that until quite recently, they were still using uncleared counsel. the question is why? this is the president of the united states. he has got a large staff of security officers. he has the f.b.i. they all could have been used for this purpose. i this i the only answer is that they wanted that added buffer and control of using private counsel. bill: interesting.
personally turned over to justice department officials accompanying him. that was just hours after attorney general merrick garland announced the appointment of a special counsel. but sauber s revelation wasn t made public until saturday. it was the latest in a piecemeal release of information that has raised more questions than answers. the first batch of classified documents were discovered at the penn biden center in washington, d.c. on november 2nd. a source with knowledge of the investigation says more searches are possible but it s in the clear who would conduct them. none of this makes sense. i mean, this idea that we sent in lawyers without clearances and told them, look, but don t read, is not a standard you ll find in any security protocol. sauber is just one of several lawyers actively involved in managing the scandal. there s the president s personal attorney bob bauer. he is married to white house top aide anita dunn long time biden confidante. also stuart dealerry sil
lower, but all classified. and if i brought one piece of information, one sentence written down on a notebook home, that was a violation of a security protocol that would get me kicked out of that class, kicked out of that school, it would revoke my security clearance, possibly kicked out of the marine corps and eventually ruin my career as i knew it. and the reason that s important is at 24 years old, i couldn t bring information home for the specific purpose of helping me study so that i wouldn t die when i became a bomb tech. that s how important this protocol was. it wasn t about taking it home for malicious intent or share with somebody else, it was for my own needs to try to stay alive. but it was that important that my own life was worth risking over this information. but the president of the united states or a vice president actually can take home boxes, it looks like, of stuff, put it in his garage and say what s the big deal, man? my corps event was there corvette was there
if you look at mar-a-lago, which is usually the comparison, that s protected by the united states secret service this place that he was storing these documents it was funded in part by the chinese and did not have any sort of security protocol like they did with the protection ever the secret service in florida. steve: well, they do have a steakhouse downstairs. ultimately it comes down to if donald trump is mishandling of top secret material was a national security issue, isn t the same isn t the shoe on the same foot when it comes to joe biden? isn t it the same thing? look, there should be this same type of concern and the same thing. we don t know if they got all the documents. how do they know that they got all the documents? how come the fbi, the moment they heard about this, wasn t down there doing a raid? if they come out and say hey, we found 10.