fraud. you know, a lot of people are saying to me that they don t like the idea, i m prepared to forgive up to $20,000 if you got a pell grant, or $10,000 for anybody who has a student loan during the recession. guess what? we pay the so-called ppe program, we paid i think it s $900 billion. don t hold me to that number, for anybody who had a tough time with their business during the pandemic. so they could pay employees and do but guess what? you may remember, i was running for office at the time. you may remember that i had a big fight with the former president, and maybe future president, bless me, father. any way, here s the deal. what happened was, the folks are really going after me by the way, 90% of all the debt forgiveness for student loans will go to under my plan 90% will go to families making under $75,000 a year, okay? 90%. here s the deal. the ppp program forgave a lot more. i m not suggesting it should. but the big fight going on was, what happened was,