it s such a pleasure to be back in hardtalk with you, stephen. well, it s a pleasure to have you on the show. let s begin with a very basic fact you are one of your own israeli government s fiercest critics. you have been for a long time. you ve certainly been an arch critic of the israeli military strategy in gaza. given all of that, i just wonder how you feel sitting in tel aviv watching the international court ofjustice consider the case of genocide filed against israel. i was watching it with a lot of sadness, depression and also a sense of shame, i must tell you. you know, my parents came here as refugees, really the ashes of the biggest genocide in history. and here, 80, 90 years later, israel is accused for genocide. i mean, i wish more israelis have at least watched the scenes, at least watch the scenes of gaza. they don t see gaza. i wish they would have seen more of the children on the grounds of the hospitals, the starvation, the destruction. but none of this is
destruction, but none of this is presented here. so theyjust condemn anyone who dares to criticise israel. i don t know if weekly is a genocide. but it is a bloodbath, it is a terrible mass killing. do we care if it is legally a genocide or not. the israeli boron actor mind about pickling, their mind about labelling it as genocide. the? about pickling, their mind about labelling it as genocide. they mind, i cuess, labelling it as genocide. they mind, i guess. for labelling it as genocide. they mind, i guess, for reasons labelling it as genocide. they mind, i guess, for reasons which - labelling it as genocide. they mind, i guess, for reasons which are - labelling it as genocide. they mind, i guess, for reasons which are for. i guess, for reasons which are for anyone who knows some history are understandable. to quote your country s president, he calls the accusations atrocious. and preposterous. you yourself mentioned to me your own past, your own parents came from germa
welcome to hardtalk. thank you. it s such a pleasure to be back in hardtalk with you, stephen. well, it s a pleasure to have you on the show. let s begin with a very basic fact you are one of your own israeli government s fiercest critics. you have been for a long time. you ve certainly been an arch critic of the israeli military strategy in gaza. given all of that, i just wonder how you feel sitting in tel aviv watching the international court ofjustice consider the case of genocide filed against israel. i was watching it with a lot of sadness, depression and also a sense of shame, i must tell you. you know, my parents came here as refugees, really the ashes of the biggest genocide in history. and here, 80, 90 years later, israel is accused for genocide. i mean, i wish more israelis have at least watched the scenes, at least watch the scenes of gaza. they don t see gaza. i wish they would have seen more of the children on the grounds of the hospitals, the starvation, the d
gideon levy in tel aviv, welcome to hardtalk. thank you. it s such a pleasure to be back in hardtalk with you, stephen. well, it s a pleasure to have you on the show. let s begin with a very basic fact you are one of your own israeli government s fiercest critics. you have been for a long time. you ve certainly been an arch critic of the israeli military strategy in gaza. given all of that, i just wonder how you feel sitting in tel aviv watching the international court ofjustice consider the case of genocide filed against israel. i was watching it with a lot of sadness, depression and also a sense of shame, i must tell you. you know, my parents came here as refugees, really the ashes of the biggest genocide in history. and here, 80, 90 years later, israel is accused for genocide. i mean, i wish more israelis have at least watched the scenes, at least watch the scenes of gaza. they don t see gaza. i wish they would have seen more of the children on the grounds of the hospita
don t want to be herbert hoover. oh, okay. donald trump hopes millions of americans lose their money from their 401(k)s and retirement savings within the next 12 months so he doesn t look bad. [ laughter ] we have a lot to get to this morning, including a key hearing today for trump s claim of presidential immunity in the federal election interference case. we re going to have expert legal analysis on that in just a moment. plus, the very latest on two major developments in the middle east. israel says it has killed a hezbollah commander in southern lebanon. it comes as the israeli military says it is shifting to a more targeted campaign inside gaza. retired four star navy admiral james stavridis will join us with more insight on both of those stories. good morning. welcome to morning joe. it is tuesday, january 9th. with us, we have former aide to the george w. bush white house and state departments, elise jordan. pulitzer prize winning columnist at the washington