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Leads but when as h mitch in st, everyone in the audience, everyone what came to see that star said ut oh, this is the real deal. this is the real deal right here and thats really where it started. >> kevin orourke, thank you for joining me. >> thank you. matt, its -- its something that clearly everyone worked with him says the same thing, he was an incredibly talented actor and very, very driven. >> absolutely labsolutely. if you talk to the entire cast, we did interviews over the years and e...