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Political aspects of this. were not a court of law, but im thinking that -- weve heard a lot of murky, weve heard a lot of buzz. everybody talks about what they think theyve heard as the best reporting on this. but this isnt reporting. this isnt the media. this is a woman with a clear-cut memory, apparently, or an accusation of a memory which is stark as hell? >> yeah. and i think its conceivably a watershed moment in this whole episode. as you said, and ill draw it out a little bit further, her...

Described as a grayer area and makes it much more specific. >> black and white. john heilemann, lets talk about the political aspect. weve heard a lot of murky, weve heard a lot of buzz. you and i have talked about it off-camera, everybody talks about what theyve think theyve heard as the best reporting on this. but this isnt reporting, this isnt the media. this is a woman with a clear-cut memory, apparently, or an accusation of a memory, which is stark as hell. >> uh, yeah. and i think its conc...