we ll see. thank to you phillip, zerlina, john. thank you for being with us. all in with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on all in. i don t want to talk about pardons for michael flynn yet. a new york times bombshell. can you say unequivocally no one here has discussed pardons in this case? the president s lawyer reportedly floated pardons for flynn and plfrt before they were charged. i ve always found paul manafort to be a very decent man. tonight it the reporter who broke the story and what this means for the obstruction case against the president. then, did the special counsel just file evidence of trump campaign collusion with russia? that s what he said. that s what i said. that s obviously what our position is. plus, the president announces the firing of the v.a. secretary on twitter. and apple ceo tim cook on mark zuckerberg s current
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Manafort is is e-mailing him as using it as a means to get made whole with a shady russian oligarch. malcolm, this question of ties to russian intelligence, that terms ties is nonspecific. i never know what to do with it. people would say ties to terrorists and organized crime, ties to intelligence. how should we interpret that here? well, first off, klimnik s background as a translator is not just a transer, he was was russia military intelligence. they don t just produce translators to do point to point upon interpretation. he was either a human intelligence officer or from their signals is intelligence side which means he s still out there collecting intelligence on people and that was his background. when he was in the ukraine working with manafort as the translator so to speak, he was also a liaison. he would have to be. every good translator is the
Remember when the e-mails come out, paul manafort gets the job on the campaign and sends an e-mail to someone in ukraine and says has this is russian oligarch seen this? the person he s sending those e-mails is this individual, is that right, natasha? correct. he went with constantine in may and another time in august they met in person. at least one conversation, they did discuss the presidential campaign. not only did they exchange e-mails they also met face-to-face twice during that year. klimnik is on the ground. manafort is is e-mailing him as using it as a means to get made whole with a shady russian oligarch. malcolm, this question of ties to russian intelligence, that terms ties is nonspecific. i never know what to do with it. people would say ties to terrorists and organized crime, ties to intelligence.