sides she s not going to run for president, i think joe biden is the first one in the race. if she does run, my bet is he doesn t run and i m not sure who else would. but how do you think this is going to play out. is there going to be some moment before he makes her decision where she sits down with them and there s a joint, almost a joint announcement? i m sure she doesn t want to make it look like he s being pushed aside by her even if that s what s happening. i don t know how they will handle this. i just know in my gut that he wouldn t run against her. it s just too much. there still is a possibility until she declares i think he s saying what he needs to say. he can t say well i ll only run if she doesn t run. i mean that makes him look weak and lame. i think he s saying all of the things he needs to say to keep his options open. but at the end of the day if he runs, he does not run. how that finesse it is probably a question that s beyond me. but i m sure he ll be everything
listen, when i m talking about a frozen field, what i m saying is that no other democrat is able to make the moves, not even the vice president of the united states to form a campaign, start raising the funds, start tieing up donors while hillary is not i hear you on that, anna. i don t mean that as a cold frozen tundra of a field. everybody else is out there figuring out what she s going to do. if she doesn t run, she s going to have a lot of big donations to make. let me ask you about your party because you guys are in a bigger struggle. finding who is often easier than finding the main mess sanl. if you look at arizona, it looks like a window into your party. how do you read that issue and what does it mean for your party as in figuring out what it wants to be? as far as the arizona issue
look, the reality is he wants to be relevant for the next three years. he knows it s possible she won t run. he also i think this is less about politics than psychology. the guy looks at his resume as vice president, as chairman of foreign relations, as chairman of judiciary. he looks at his ability to campaign, which he thinks in his own mind is comparable to bill clinton s and i think he believes superior to hillary clinton s. and he looks at a democratic party that is pretty loyal to this administration, as howard suggested. so i think psychologically, he wants to say that he ll do this. he wants to be prepared to do it. he wants to be the leading choice if she doesn t run. but in the end, i still believe, as we ve discussed before, chris, if she runs, this is it s going to be easy for him to find an exit route because he will not take her on. let me tell you something. barbara walters asked a question that was based upon knowledge, i believe, that smart people think that bide
thing if hillary does run, we saw this movie in 2008, didn t we? it s exactly right. i think you can t count out joe biden as a contender because hillary clinton, there is still i think a chance, a slim chance, that she does not run and who is going to schltep into the void. if you re the incumbent vice president of a two-term relatively popular with democrats administration, you have a space to enter. sure. absolutely. and i think it s more than just a narrow chance that she doesn t run. you talk to democrats in that orbit, they re not saying there s a 90% chance she runs. they re on the 50%, 60% chance she runs. so he is, i think, you re right, he s well positioned. he s the sitting vice president of the nights. when has a sitting vice president not been considered the front-runner do. reporter: dick cheney took himself out. part of joe biden s calculation, because cheney knew he wasn t going to run, his leverage it makes the obama presidency relevant if you have this sit
gearing up to fight hillary clinton if she runs, like everyone expects in 2016 for president. so why wouldn t they? look at the polling out there. hillary clinton, secretary of state got a 60-point lead right now on the democratic side with the number two in that field, now this is interest, joe biden. biden recently joked that his love of driving cars is the one thing that could steer him away from a run at the oval office. he took it a step further today with cnn kate bolduan. other than corvettes, give me another good reason why you shouldn t run. i can t. there is no obvious reason for me why i think i should not run. when you think of it, what biden is doing is basically the benign, very benign variation of what rand paul is doing. it s how a democrat who wants to be president has to confront the