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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20191222 10:58:00

and now in this very public way, they finally knew that carol was dead and he, their sweet mike, killed her. but the whole truth, was it actually out there somewhere? and so, on that cold and foggy january day, mike, surrounded by cops and lawyers, floated out into the midst to find carol, find whatever was left. if they find the cinder block in the ocean after the search, if they find that, that will give me half of the closure i need. she didn t get it, because after the boat ride, mike admitted his ocean tale was one more lie. and perhaps it was finally for the sake of his son, the son who never abandoned him, that he finally passed a polygraph and led investigators to the place he said mike s mother had actually been all these many years. police searched the area, but once again were unable to locate carol s remains and give the

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20191222 10:57:00

was dead. detectives hooked lubahn up to a polygraph machine. how much of this was true? after the polygraph, the test was done, he confronts him and says you didn t pass. now the defendant changes his story and he says, okay, i punched her in the head and i punched her hard, but he said only one time. then he told lewin what he did with carol s body. after he killed her, he put her in the garage behind some carpet. he took her car the next morning to the red onion parking lot, dumped it there. at some point, she was placed in the trunk of mr. lubahn s vehicle. and then he said he took her to the ocean, put her on a raft, paddled out to sea and dropped her down, a cinder block tied to her body. it was a shock, of course, a big shock. for so long, the family, or most of it, believed mike.

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20191222 10:27:00

her. it had nothing to do with that. did you catch what mike said? it had nothing to do with that. when you just look at sentence structure and how people talk and communicate, it wasn t about that. what is the it. you gave that great significance, didn t you? oh, absolutely. so they kept at mike and at one point it seemed to them he was on the verge of confessing. listen, why don t you give me a few days or something to think about all of it. we ll come back. but when he came back, he didn t give them anything and they were right back where they started. suspicion, sure, but no evidence of a crime. no way to even prove carol was dead. jim wallace was a detective that finally hit on an idea. to use a tool that didn t even exist when she fought her husband on a march night in

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20191222 10:46:00

did you hear the garage door? i don t think so. why do you think that now? i think over the years i have thought about this night so many times and i had seen that car back out of that drive way many, many times when she was leavingment so i think i just thought immediately in my mind that that s what i thought happened. i saw the car. i can see it right now. he never thought for a moment it would be the last time he would see his wife. i thought she went out that night and had gone dancing and stayed the night with a friend. what did happen to her? mike insisted he simply didn t know. did you have anything to do with killing her? no. did you have anything to do with her disappearance? no. other than i didn t sign the papers and made her upset but that s it. successful testimony, maybe? but now the down side. he would have to answer questions from john.

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20191222 10:47:00

do you lie sometimes? no. you never lie. i wouldn t say never. a white lie. who knows. have you ever lied about something serious that wasn t a white lie in your life. no. in your entire life you have never lied once about anything that wasn t a white lie. i ll just say not that i can remember. in fact, mike had a hard time remembering a lot of things he asked about. i don t remember. i don t remember going to bed. i don t remember. i don t know. but how on earth could he not remember the last time he saw his wife. would you agree that that would be one of the most significant events details of your entire life? yes. but that doesn t mean i have to remember it. he wasn t buying it. isn t it true that the last place that carol lived her last breath was taken in that bathtub

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