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robert mueller is not. see you in a bit. here onset for another day, dan goldman, an msnbc legal analyst along with our pal nbc news reporter carol lee. it is less hot than it has been all week. you picked a good day to be here. dan, let me start with you, if you look at what each side wants, they are both looking for leverage. and the sticking point, one of them seems to be this idea much an in person interview. what is the framing behind that? the trump team wants questions on collusion only and special counsel wants to hear about it all. >> i think rudy giuliani is trying to figure out a way to drum up some leverage because ordinarily the witness of the defendant or target or subject does not have the leverage, the prosecutor does. and but because bob mueller is not talking and rudy giuliani is, he's able -- he has the whole public domain to make all of his arguments, even though as
a prosecutor, none of them make sense. start with the perjury trap. this is not a perjury trap -- >> is it a perjury trap if you tell the truth. >> the perjury trap looks at it from the perspective of the prosecutor and the truth looks at it from the perspective of the witness. the reason it's not a trap in any way shape or form, they have legitimate questions to ask about an ongoing investigation. that's -- that makes it not a trap. whether he tells the truth or not is up to him. >> there are two strategies that the president's legal team seem to be putting forward here. you have the legal strategy which you've laid out but then carol, there's kind of the public relations strategy which we've talked about before as it relates to the president's legal team and rudy giuliani seems to be making implicit threats. here's what he had to say in the fox interview as well about that. >> the real story here is not that this case isn't going to fizzle. it's going to blow up on them. the real question is what we talked about before, there's a lot more to what they did that
nobody knows about yet. and mueller is going to have a lot to answer for. >> seems kind of easy to send warning shots to somebody you know isn't going to fire back. >> absolutely. this is a pr o fenffensivoffens been negotiating on this interview for eight months now. it's -- it's an exceptionally long time and in that time, you've seen the president's legal team while it's undergone different changes and various phases, they just launch an increasingly aggressive assault on the investigation and so in many ways, you know, you can see how there's a whole school of thought that the president was never going to do an interview, even if he wants to, that was never going to happen and there's been a lot of stalling and that's part of the tactic here. you can see even if he -- if he does decide ultimately that there is no interview, that he's mounted this whole defense about why that is and he's made it so normally in a political sphere,
that would be seen as you're afraid to answer questions or this and that. he's casted as the investigation as such a witch hunt and in that sense he can argue that why would he sit in front of an -- for an investigation that's a witch hunt and out to get him. >> dan, i want to quickly touch on the idea that rudy giuliani says there's a department of justice rule that says you can't be doing this to close to an election. there's no written regulation on this. no written policy. there's generalized guidance it seems that prosecutors do not indict political candidates or use o vert investigative methods in the weeks before an election. fact check that. no written rule but it is seeming to be an unwritten guidance. everybody thinks about james comey when we talk about this. >> james comey was a little bit of a different story because that investigation became so public prior to that period before the election. but putting james comey aside, there's sort of 60 day rule that the department of justice generally abides by. it's not written, not hard and fast. but where rudy giuliani gets it
completely wrong is that it does not mean you need to end an investigation 60 days before the election. it just means that you calm things down a little bit. you let the political process play out and then you can ramp it back up after the election. >> both of you stand by for a second. while we're talking about special counsel as it relates to a potential sitdown with the president, the special counsel is doing work right now this morning inside a courtroom in alexandria, virginia. the trial of course of trump -- trump's former campaign chair paul manafort picked back up for the day in the last few minutes. prosecutors are in the final stages of their case, going out with a bit of a bang. fireworks from the testimony of rick gates and then these clashes with the judge. nbc's julian anzly has been inside the courtroom for us and stepped outside to bring us live reporting. julia, fill us in on what's happening this morning and high drama as the government starts to bring this case to a close. >> that's right. we expect the prosecution to finish calling witnesses by the end of the day tomorrow. right now on the stand just as i
stepped out was melinda james, a low level person working at citizens bank in brooklyn where she would prepare mortgage applications, we're assuming one of those mortgage applications is paul man that thfort's and we'll hear more from her. there are forensic accountants and irs agents and understood the way he inflated income or lowered to dodge taxes or money la launderi laundering. they've moved past rick gates, the drama i've seen so far coming from the judge. in fact today we heard the first apology from judge ellis to the prosecution because yesterday he berated them for allowing a witness to stay in the courtroom during the entire testimony of the other witnesses and instead he said i'm sorry i was wrong, i did tell you that was allowed. jury, please don't consider that when you're deliberating this case. >> that's really interesting.
thank you much. i'll let you hop back inside to keep reporting this out. let me bring in dan and carol again and as well as from washington, pbs news hour, yamish, julia brings up something interesting, talking about the judge. he has become a kind of focal point in this moving forward with the decisions that he's made that seem to have gone against the prosecution's case. walk through how you see the jury viewing that or perceiving that? >> well, first of all, it's really important to note that judges have so much weight over the jury. while the jury will make their decision, the way the judge talks about the case and way he approaches it, really impacts how people -- how people view this case. i think that when you look at the fact that the judge is base he canally saying and has said at the beginning of this he doesn't want this to be a witch hunt for robert mueller and doesn't want this to be something to try to squeeze paul manafort, it's already kind of created this feeling as though he might kind of have his thumb on the scale.
i was in the courtroom yesterday as well. essentially, if he's deciding that the jury can't see all of these photographs of this extravagant life that paul manafort was livering and can't really put -- they have to deal with documents, that's a lot harder than saying look at this big life this person was living. it's problematic and he was breaking the law. just yesterday when i was in the courtroom, he was interrupting the prosecution a lot. he was basically trying to do the defense's job for it in some ways but also impacting the defense and interrupting them. it was clear that he was more concerned about the prosecution's line of questioning and making sure they weren't leading the witness and i was there for rick gates. it was mainly whether or not they were leading rick gates to make a lot of statements that the judge didn't think was fair. >> let me pull up a graphic we had on the screen listing some of the decisions the judge has made, for example not letting jurors see some pictures of paul manafort's clothing, giving an extra week to review questions and politico writes taken on
their own the individual rebukes are relatively minor but some experts say cumulatively they could plant doubt in the mind of jurors about the strength of the prosecution's case. on the other side of it you had a former prosecutor on rachael maddow who said this judge is a perfectionist, if and when this goes to an appeals court or appeals judge, everything is set to go. >> all judges are a little bit worried about protecting the record. and generally speaking, judges are harder on the prosecution than on the defense because they want to make sure that the defendant gets a full and fair trial and it allowed a vigorous defense. so what you really have to focus on is what the judge is saying outside the presence of the jury versus what the judge is saying in front of the jury. it's one thing for this judge to try to move the prosecution along to not want to show a lot of these photos which by the way will be shown in the closing statement, admitted into evidence and will go in front of the jury. it's a very different thing when the judge is interrupting and
interjecting during cross-examination of the government's main cooperating witness whose credibility is so crucial to this case and when he is asking a lot of these questions and sort of weighing in on his credibility. that is completely out of line and totally inappropriate. >> i'm going to ask all of you to hang out longer. you'll be here the rest of the show that's a good thing because there's a lot to talk about this morning, including the last line of defense from one of the president's key allies in congress. he's been caught on tape explaining why the president's party needs to hold on to power. it's a message you might here echoed by other republicans this fall. we're going to bring you those recordings as you look live at downtown summerville new jersey, population just over 12,000 people. we don't have 12,000 on the plaza but we're close. the first person to survive alzheimer's disease is out there. and the alzheimer's association is going to make it happen
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the part of the remarks you're about to hear focuses on midterms and why republicans need to hold onto the house. >> not the only one, which is really the danger, that's why thank you for saying that by the way. we have to keep all of these -- we have to keep the majority. if we do not keep the majority, all of this goes away. >> a spokesman for the campaign had no comment on the recording and nunes's office did not return calls for comment. matt miller, msnbc justice and security analyst and former doj spokes person back in washington and here onset. jeff mason joining the party with along with carol lee. matt, let me start with you, you listened to these recordings and you've watched this and heard them. what did you learn new from them? >> actually not much. this is really just devin nunes
putting into words what his deeds have shown. he's made it pretty clear he sees his job as protecting the president at all costs and not getting to the bottom of what happened, whether with regards to russian interference and with regards to whether any members of donald trump's campaign participated or assisted in the russian interference. that's been obvious for a year and a half now. it's remarkable to come out and admit it privately, not publicly in a setting where you often hear politicians slip up and say what they really mean. and i think what it shows is this argument you see democrats making across the country which is the republican party in no way is willing to be a check on donald trump. no way willing to investigate corruption or malfeasance or impropriety in his administration and devin nunexts s not just unwilling to investigate it but actually coming out and saying ehe is th one -- the republican majority is the last ability to stop donald trump from being investigated in this case by the
special counsel. >> so jeff, do you see this as a message that other republicans will adopt or could adopt or are adopting the idea that democrats cannot take back the house because we've got to protect the president? >> i think it depends on what the race is. there's different -- there's different republicans running in different -- >> all politics is local. >> it depends, yes, if it's going to help a republican this their district, yes, you would take that on. similarly if it helps a democrat in their district, they could take on the opposite or flip argument, if we don't take oerve over the house -- taking over the house is the only way we can be a check on the president and possibly move towards impeachment proceedings. >> i would pick up on that word. that's one of the bottom line concerns he's addressing there. there are republicans who absolutely feel that way, if the -- if the democrats take over the house, they are going to try to impeach the president. and if you get that word out there, even more than the democrats are talking about it, it will gin up the base and have
their worry, look our guy is at risk. >> there's also this that devin nunes said as it relates to rod rosenstein and for example impeachment. listen. >> the senate would have to drop everything they are doing and start with impeachment on rosenstein. then you take the risk of not getting kavanaugh confirmed. so it's a -- it's not a matter -- it's a matter of timing. >> so not a new idea, matt, right, but what does it say to you about the possibility if or when kavanaugh gets confirmed, the supreme court pick, that then this -- this idea of the impeachment train for rod rosenstein gets back on track? >> i think you can take what he said one of two ways. one you can take it literally that there is a plan in the republican party, especially in the house to try to impeach rod rosenstein after the elections, i'm not sure that's the case. i know nunes wants to do it and
mark meadows and others have pushed for. paul ryan is the speaker to the end of the year has been resistant to that and other republicans resistant to it. the other way to interpret it, devin nunes should talk about the impeachment of rosenstein because it is part of their kind of scheme to undermine the special counsel's investigation, that even if they don't have any intention to ever impeach rosenstein for the reasons he outlined in those remarks, it's still -- they find it politically advantageous, as long as they can attack that investigation, they can undermine it with the republican base. that's the interpretation i take away as the more likely one. >> jeff, how about what you could call cathy mcmorris rogers factser, she is high up in house gop leadership as nunes is making these comments that elaborate what he's indicated he wants to do. >> for sure. she's a part of leadership and on the tape part we don't hear her weighing in or disagreeing
with anything he's saying. it is interesting, leadership in particular, paul ryan had a much different view of this and of the russia investigation than representative nunes. >> it's politics. she was in a tough primary. we don't know -- didn't say on the tape. but also as you said in the beginning, had an opportunity to comment on this and chose not to. >> right. >> carol and jeff, thanks for coming on out. i know your pool if the president has an event later this afternoon. you'll be shouting questions. >> i'll be shouting questions. >> make us prouds, my friend. i'll see you soon again, i'm sure. the nunes audio is not the only secret recording on our radar today. omarosa now has a tell-all book and possibly something else behind her sleeve. secret tapes of the president. plus a congressman indicted for outsider trading out on bail and promising to fight back. how democrats are vowing to make an example of him already. you're looking at the beautiful day in summerville, new jersey,
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we are back now with a look at your morning's headlines and learning disturbing new details today about the compound in new mexico where officials say some kids were being trained with assau rifrls to attack other kids at school. that comes from one of the children now in foster care. in all 11 kids were rescued after being found starving. the five adults living on the compound have been arrested and charged with multiple counts of child abuse. one suspect is the son of a brooklyn imam that may have a possible connection to the 1993 world trade center bombing. there's a preliminary hearing scheduled to begin tomorrow. nks there's a stunning new report out of puerto rico just this morning. nearly a year after hurricane maria destroyed that island, the government is now revising the death toll and it is way up. officially they originally said 64 people had been killed. the number is actually 1400 lives lost. more than 20 times what they
said initially. that is a story we're staying on top of and have been on since maria hit. live pictures right now over at the pentagon, where defense james mattis is waiting for arrival of mike pence because the trump administration is launching details on its space force today. in the next hour vp will lay out the plan at the pentagon making it the first new branch of the military potentially. more than 70 years, that's a story i'll be reporting on tonight for nbc nightly news. within just the last hour, democrats are coming out swinging against what they call a culture of corruption within the republican party. it comes after congressman chris collins was arrested on those federal charges of insider trading. we shared that breaking news yesterday. today collins is defiant, prosecutors say the congressman schemed with his son so his family could avoid big losses on an investment in an australian pharmaceutical company. collins served on the board and still a top shareholder. this morning collins who remember was the first member of congress to support donald trump
for president is out on bail. he has pleaded not guilty and he has ses not stepping aside. >> the charges that have been levied against me are meritless and i will mount a vigorous defense in court to clear my name. i look forward to being fully vindicated and exonerated ending any and all questions relating to my affiliation with -- >> let's go to nbc news capitol hill correspondent kasie hunt. what's been the strategy? >> reporter: well, they've been trying to be out front casting this as a culture of corruption under the trump administration, the president as you know well campaigned on draining the swamp and their argument is well actually, it's really just the opposite on a conference call this morning, congresswoman sherry gustos a former jornlist herself mimicked an editorial meeting at any one of the news
organizations, should we lead with wilbur ross or scott pruitt, which person set of problems should we focus on first to try to underscore this is something we've seen that runs ram pant through the administration, the list of trump associates and trump in this case chris collins, this is an unrelated to anything to do with the trump campaign but he was of course the president's first supporter in congress. so that list is remarkably long. that's not to say democrats haven't had their own challenges with their own members facing criminal charges or questions about corruption including senator bob menendez. but clearly this is something we're seeing at a relatively high scale here in the trump administration, hallie. >> and nbc's kasie hunt. thank you. let me back in dan goldman and carol lee and dann, let me start with you. congressman collins says he's innocent and believes he'll have the charges against him cleared. does he have a case based on
what you learned? >> every defendant says they are innocent until they are not. >> not the ones who confess, but okay. >> very few of those and people who know about the investigation prior to this which chris collins did. keep that in mind he has to say i'm innocent. he has a line of defense here that is plausible, which is to say that you don't know what i said in the conversation with my son. it's my son, i talk to him all the time and you don't know that i was actually relaying any information specifically that i was not allowed to relay or whether i just said now might be a good time to sell the stock, even if he admits he was talking about the stock. from that point the rest of the case goes from his son out. so collins will try to really narrow it down to what happened when he was at the white house and saying that what you don't have enough proof to show that what i did was illegal. >> heard ka sixt e explain how democrats are really seizing on this. let's talk about this
politically. this district in western new york, solid red seat. donald trump won 60% back in 2016. the cook political report moved the seat from solid to likely republican right after that indictment was unsealed. do you think it is really going to make a difference when it comes to that particular house seat? zb zbls. >> well, i think em battle republicans are following the lead of the president, that is to stick it out. when you think of the all of the things president trump had to weather in order to win the presidential -- republican nomination and then to become president, he really just flew in the face of all of the scandals around him. the access hollywood tape and talks about porn stars and all sorts of issues. he stuck through it. you think of scott pruitt. he had stories about where he was living and whether or not he was trying to get his wife to have a chic fill-a. it's because the president set the really -- the mirror from that. they are all taking a look at the president saying if he can survive so can i. i think he's looking at his
district and saying i can survive this much like my president. >> can we just pull up the list we made of people in the house who have either been arrested or who have been facing conviction while in office? if you look at this, it's democrats and republicans, carol. when you look at this list, what do you see? >> bipartisanship. >> bipartisanshibipartisanship. this is something that's happening both parties. you see the democrats and they want to take collins and make this a broad brush with the republican party and they have the added benefit -- >> numberswise, may be more republicans, right. >> having significant troubles and number of members of the president's cabinet but when you look at that graphic, you can see -- you can see the risk in democrats taking on something that perhaps republicans can then turn and say look at your party has problems too. then it becomes something -- >> here in new jersey -- in both of their houses. >> carol and dan, thank you for that conversation. we have much more to come up in the show, including for example
democrats on the move. chipping away at gop strong holds or trying to. as they push to retake the house. steve kornacki is at the big board to talk through districts where they are eyeballing a takeover and how many seats they have to flip. we're in of course summerville, new jersey, a county where 54% picked hillary clinton in 2016. here's one of our local folks' take on partisan politics this morning. listen. >> somerset is a -- i'm kind of like with my restaurant, i'm in switzerland, i don't know if i can get too particular. ♪
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triggers an automatic recount. we're watching that really closely today. the bigger midterm landscape and fight for control of the house, steve kornacki is at the big board at 30 rock with more. 89 days until election day. what should we look at? >> 89 days. i'll give you another number, that key number is 23. that's the bottom line if you're a democrat, you are dreaming of your party picking up 23 house seats to get the house this fall. if you're a republican you are hoping against all hope that democrats are unable to do that. so we actually partnered with the folks at left field productions to sort of set the stage, take a closer look at the battle for the house, the mid-term battle and about that number, 23. >> 23. >> 23 is the number we have to be thinking about. >> because this is the number of seats democrats need to pick up if they are going to win back
the house in november. they can definitely get there but it's by no means certain they are going to be able to. >> so the question is, is there a blue wave coming? >> so for democrats to get those seats, there are a lot of places they can look around the country. but there's one type of district that really stands out. >> it's the 25 districts across the usa that republicans hold that were also won by hillary clinton in 2016. >> what we're saying is that the democrats need 23 seats. >> and they do have 25 prime targets and there are more seats outside of this they could pick off too but the biggest problem, even if all of the ingredients are there for democrats in this age of polarization, their just may not be as many targets as there used to be. >> 25 obvious targets for democrats and dozens of others that they are working furiously to try to find. >> there's a wild card factor. >> in 2016, all of t$2016, all spell doom for done amd trump
but he won anyway. in 2018 could we be in for another surprise? that's a little taste of what we put together there. they need to take 23 if that's what democrats need to take. we mentioned it in there. the obvious targets, the 25 districts now held by republicans that hillary clinton won in 2016. you can go beyond that though, how about the ones that are held by republicans now but where trump barely won? you can add a few more targets there potentially and potentially when you start talking about seats that were single digits, trump won them but 7 or 8 or 9 points. ohio 12, trump won that by 11. it's a nail biter now. here's all of the seats trump won by ten or less. you can see that potentially expands the battlefield here but bottom line right now, democrats need 23 if they somehow pick off the ohio 12 it will be 22. for now the key number, 23 sfl steve car knackky, that was especially cool. you can find more on the nbc
leflt field youtube channel. youtube.com/nbcleftfield. it's really cool work. coming up after the break, the u.s. is slapping russia with a new wave of sanctions over the poisoning of a former russian spy and his daughter but why did it take so long for those to drop? we're looking at that with a live report from overseas. lots more to come as we wrap up our week on the road with the president. you're looking at summerville where the flag is flying high. amazing crowd on the plaza, hometown of lee van chief. fun facts all morning. stick around. ? ones that make it fast and easy to analyze and take action? how about some of the lowest options fees? are you raising your hand? good then it's time for power e*trade the platform, price and service that gives you the edge you need. alright one quick game of rock, paper, scissors. 1, 2, 3, go. e*trade.
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aleve. all day strong. so president trump has argued again and again that he's been tough on russia, really tough, the toughest. his critics disagree but the president may have new ammunition for his argument this morning. that is because the u.s. is retaliating for russia's role in poisoning a former spy and his daughter in britain last march. the new punishment will probably cut off hundreds of millions of dollars of exports of sensitive national security equipment to russia, according to a senior state department official. a second more painful wave of sanctions could stop russia's national airline from entering the u.s. if the kremlin does not
demonstrate it won't use chemical weapons again and refuses on-site inspections by the u.n. russia is not exactly expected to ak quee he is to those conditions. let's turn to the chief global correspondent bill neely, live from overseas. we have new information how the kremlin is responding this morning, right? >> reporter: yeah, good morning, hallie. russia basically is furious and the new sanctions have already had an effect in moscow. the ruble falling sharply this morning, and many of russia's leading companies. russia is acting furious. president putin's spokesman saying this morning in our view these and earlier restrictions, that is sanctions are absolutely unlawful and don't confirm to international law. russia insisting again it had nothing to do with the poisoning of the xrskripals in england, tweeting no proof, no presumption of innocence, just highly likelies, only one rule,
blame everything on russia. but the big question are when does this punishment of russia end? and at what point does president trump intervene? after all remember helsinki, hallie. >> oh, i vividly remember that you and i in the room as the president stood side by side with vladimir putin and did not condemn him in strong terms for russia's election interference. you mentioned russia is still denying had had anything to do with the skripal poisoning. secretary of state mike pompeo signed off on the official determination that says yes, the kremlin violated international law. is that what sort of automatically triggered the sanctions to kick in? >> yes, it's interesting, president trump had little or nothing to do with this because under a 1991 u.s. law, once it's been determined that a country has used chemical weapons, the u.s. must impose sanctions. so it wasn't the president's
choice. the real kicker though is what he does next or what happens next because the u.s. is warning that more draconian sanctions will follow if russia fails to show fails to show it's no longer using chemical weapons. they deny using them anyway so we can assume they will fail to meet these new tests. in three months there could be more sanctions. you mentioned for example banning russian aircraft from landing in the u.s. these will be a deeply, deeply political act. >> nbc's bill neely live from london. thanks. remember what james comey said last summer testifying in front of congress? >> i hope there are tapes. >> turns out, there might be tapes. they just might not be what you expect. we'll talk about how omarosa has
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every single day, like what is he going to tweet next? should we be worried? >> don't say that. oh. because we are worried but i need you to say no, it's going to be okay. >> that was reality star turned white house aide turned private citizen ohm romarosomarosa. daily beast reports she secretly recorded conversations with the president, and is using them now to promote her new tell-all book called "unhinged" set to be released this month. who saw this coming? here's what president trump tweeted. honest omarosa. she won't back stab. she'll come in from the front. daily mail has obtained an excerpt from the book in which she writes the following. his mental decline could not be
denied. many didn't notice it as keenly as i did because i knew him way back when. they thought trump p was being trump off-the-cuff but i knew something wasn't right. how credible is she? >> i mean it's a hard question to answer, because omarosa obviously has an agenda here which is to make sure she sells as many books as possible. >> make money. >> to make money and really mon tise as much as she can that short time in the white house. that being said, she was in the residence, talking to the president constantly. conkelly w john kelly was frustrated with the relationship. this is one who he brought into the white house personally because he wanted to have other around him. she does have an insider track and knows what the president's thinking was like. >> carol, i'm old enough to remember what happened back in february when the white house
spopdsed to omarosa's comments that you saw there. >> omarosa was fired three times on the apprentice. this is the fourth time we let her go. she had limited contact with the president while here. she has no contact now. >> so the daily beast writes the mere existence of the recordings they say represents a dramatic betrayal of trust by a trump confidant. how close was she really? >> well, they were obviously close enough. she's someone who has been around donald trump for year, and frank welcome i, you covered the white house, i've covered it for years. it's a small building anyone who's in there has access, and is around for -- to hear various things. the idea that somebody, a staff or senior staffer would go into the meeting and use a smart phone to --
>> this is not sean spicer's book which is a loyal showing to the president. >> the exact opposite. response earlier this year is like wash, rinse, repeat. they always say when someone is doing something they don't like, that they had limited contact. weren't really that close. so it's -- kind of seeing this again. >> if you have not heard enough, you will hear much more this weekend, she's joining chuck todd, sunday on meet the press. before we go. let's wrap up quick. carol, what our sources are telling us. what are your sources saying? >> the president has been positive about the outlook for the midterm. i've spoken with a republican outside the white house that said privately he seems a little less confident and that he's gets internal briefings but also calling around to people outside to say what's up with this race.
how does it look. all of that suggests that as we've seen in the past, the president's inclined to rely on his own instincts perhaps and more than the experts, but also things aren't as rosy as his twitter feed might lead you to believe. >> what are your sources telling you? >> mine are telling me democrats want to attack supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh. on his stance on voter id laws. >> thank you both for being on our show. unfortunately our last one from somerville, nursew jersey. i want to thank you for watching us. a huge thank you to the amazing crew. all of them, putting this together behind the scenes. dave, paul, and thank you to the crowd. amazing group. and some amazing stories back there. including for example, molly and
InterviewTeam-trumpSettingCounselLawyersWarningTermsHunkeredBitReporterCarol-leeNbc-newson tv, and it's like i don't want to hear that. i want to see what you're about. our economy is insane. you know, going with gas and groceries and, you know, that's hard for just the average person to try and bring their paycheck home and half of it's gone by the time, you know, they spend their money on that, let alone anything else. >> reporter: and nancy supported biden in the last general election. she says that she's a never trumper. but i asked her if it was a matchup between biden and nikki haley, and she said that she would consider nikki haley, and i will tell you, we have heard that from a number of democrats this morning, but as you mentioned, this is the first leg of our road trip. we have got our casey's breakfast pizza, another iowa staple, and we are about to hop back in the car and head to carol, iowa, next to talk to voters there. >> breakfast pizza, that does look good.
EconomyPersonTvGroceriesGasReporterHomeAnythingMoneyHalfPaycheckNancynevada, south carolina, michigan. then march 5th is super tuesday. the day before that, the federal election interference trial. eight days before that, the georgia primary and a bunch of other primaries in march. then april, more primaries. may, the hush money case is sandwiches in march. you could go on and on. you have more primaries in may. this is a mess, renato. i can't describe it as anything but that. can donald trump make an argument that having to hop back and forth between these trials and cases in multiple cities and trying to also be at trial, can that be an argument he can use to delay any of this? >> well, he can make the argument that he can only be in one courtroom at a time. i think judge chutkan dealt with that. she said she's been in touch with the judge in manhattan, and that judge has made it clear there can be an adjustment on the calendar. i would expect judge chutkan's case can go first, the d.c. case goes first, then the manhattan
E-jean-carroll-civil-defamation-caseGeorgia-trialElectionInterferencePrimariesHush-moneySuper-tuesdayBunchMayGeorgia-primaryMichiganSouth-carolinadoesn't exist any more. i'm hopeful that the fact that you see for instance in that washington post poll that someone like nikki haley has seen a lot more consideration from republican voters and getting a lot of second looks. that is a good sign. but at the same time, you have to wonder, donald trump wasn't up there on the stage, how different does this look when the field narrows if trump ever decides to hop back on the stage, i expect a very different conversation. >> and if i could try to play an intellectual game and link one of your earlier segments, you have the kings on, the march on washington, a irning foot note is both john lewis and doctor king didn't give the speech they wanted to give because they feared it would alienate the vast middle so they tempered themselves and you saw republicans refuse to do that in most cases. and so ultimately, the goal is, yes, to win a primary but it is to persuade the majority of americans and i think this debate watched by a lot of americans who were not
FactLotVotersSomeoneRepublicanPollNikki-haleyMoreDoesn-tConsiderationSignLooksexpected to hop back into his motorcade, then get back on the trump jet and head back to palm beach where tomorrow night he is expected to hold some sort of a speech. a lot of people waiting to see what he will be saying that anderson carol appreciate it. now more on the process. the former president will go through tomorrow as he leaves the residents heads downtown. german prokupecz is downtown four. so walk us through, um, where he goes tomorrow with the security is going to be like so anderson the this is where he will ultimately end up here on hogan place. this is outside the manhattan district attorney's office. his motorcade will come down this street here. it'll stop and this is where he will get out. this is where he will get out and walk into the district attorney's office, where he will ultimately be taken into custody and arrested . he will walk through these doors. just right here. this rotating door. he will walk in. there are elevators in that
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