Welcome to hardtalk. Im stephen sackur. We humans have a complicated relationship with animals. Some we pet, some we skin, some we eat. We destroy their wild habitats while we agonise about the loss of species diversity. It is not an equal relationship, its exploitative, but will it ever change . And if so, how . My guest is determined that it should. Ingrid newkirk is president and Co Founder of the Campaign Group people for the ethical treatment of animals. Is she the Human Ally Animals need . Ingrid newkirk, welcome to hardtalk. Ingrid newkirk, welcome to hardtalk. Thanks very much, stephen. Thanks very much, stephen. Its a great pleasure its a great pleasure to have you in the studio. To have you in the studio. Let me start by trying let me start by trying to establish a core principle. To establish a core principle. Is it your belief that animals is it your belief that animals should enjoy equal rights, should enjoy equal rights, the same rights as humans . The same rights as huma
SpIrIt, a polItIcal correspondent for the tImes and Andrew FIsher who wrItes for the I. Thank you both for beIng wIth us. Tell me lara what do you thInk KeIr Starmer has do today . When you speak to people In labour about what they want to achIeve, they want KeIr Starmer to put a stamp on thIs conference and say what he belIeves In and what the government Is for, we have had ale dIffIcult couple of weeks for the government, we have had storIes about donor gate, freebIes and dIffIcult storIes about the salary of chIef of staff. Some are sayIng that Is because there a voId that starmer has left and Into that voId he needs to state what It Is he needs. So we need to see from hIm today there Is a real sense he needs to stamp hIs authorIty on thIs conference. Another thIn andrew was the sense we got from the government about tough decIsIon, the WInter Fuel Payment whIch was a contentIous decIsIon about that for mIllIons and we have heard from some sayIng you need to Inject more optImIsm whI
On this programme before, but this is the first time that youre talking to us since you stepped down from your role as the uns humanitarian Chief Injune this year. Response that we will be facing a situation where people will drift fast it always is fast, its viral with famine into a situation where we cant see whats going on. The good thing about ethiopia, as you remember, was we could see what was happening and it attacked our consciences. Its not happening in sudan. Butjust to be clear, what ethiopia resulted in, it was A Million deaths from famine. So, you are saying that sudan could cause more than A Million deaths from famine . Yes. Yes, of course. And i know its very difficult to comprehend that because we dont really understand famine and we understand it probably less now in many ways than we did then when it was a very important subject of study and response. But to manage the response to famine in the middle of a war where we dont have access journalists, crucially, are not
Was workg around the clock club. Jesse the judge is still talking im not sure if you got the punch line, bret. Bret can i wait for the rest of the Chicken Story good evening, welcome to washington. Im Bret Baier. Were following two big stories this evening. Israel takes out another high Ranking Hezbollah Commander as its forces step up Retaliation Rocket attacks. We will take you there. On the campaign trail, Vice President Kamala Harris renews her opposition to the Senate Filibuster over the issue of abortion. A position not that popular with several of her democratic colleagues. One democrat turned independent says he is not endorsing her over it. And another calls harris push, quote an absolutely terrible shortsighted idea. Senior white House Correspondent Jacqui Heinrich has that story live from the north lawn, good evening. Jacqui. Jacqui good evening, bret. A Vice President holding a position she staked out before diverging from other progressive issues where she has flip flopped