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He goes down and he is a sure loser. but the point that john made that is important, a state like pennsylvania which i believe we all 2409 was out -- all thought was out of reach, they have had problems with romney, and all polls show there is no money there, that is a big state. >>gregg: i am told you are interested in iowa and wisconsin, and now here the nbc polls. obama has substantial lead plus eight in iowa and plus six in wisconsin. >> pat is laughing. because he has had a consistent probl...