in heiglight of the fact that everything you just said donald trump said wasn't going to happen. it is the most under-reported story related to the campaign but not directly in the campaign. each day we see something new that was kind of unimaginable weeks ago. >> he says the u.s. military is a disaster, that operation is a disaster, he half believes that mosul is part of syria. >> thank you, rachel. today, the wife of the biggest cyber bully in the world said that if you make her first lady of the united states, she will work hard to stop cyber bullying. annemarie cox will join us with her reaction to melania trump's speech today. but first, we have a new electoral college projection. and that projection indicates that the next president of the united states will not have a first lady. >> this isn't a joke.
this isn't survivor. this isn't the bachelorette. this counts. >> say whoa. >> if donald trump were to win this election, we would have a commander in chief who is completely out of his depth. >> ah, this and that, oh, give me a break. >> donald trump is temperamentally unfit. >> best thing i have is my temperament. >> now he knows we can see and hear him, right? >> i think the gig is up. >> we have to find a better way to talk to each other. to respect each other. >> these people are stupid. they're stupid people. >> come on, man! >> i promise you, i will never enter a bicycle race. >> stay on point, donald, stay on point. >> we need to teach our youth american values. kindness. honesty, respect. >> stupid people, remember that. >> sometimes the tentation is to tune it out, and you want to
just focus on the cubs winning the world series. [cheers and applause] >> and who knows, maybe we'll see even more history made in a few days. >> this is the last word on campaign 2016. >> with just four campaign days left now before the presidential election, american voters have probably already decided who the next president of the united states will be. most of the models repeatedly used to predict the winner are predicting a win for hillary clinton. on this program, we presented the moody's analytics model this week that uses economic factors as well as political factors to predict a winner. that shows hillary clinton winning 332 electoral votes to donald trump's 206 electoral votes. larry sabato, the director of the university of virginia center for politics is now ready with his numbers. joining us now, larry sabato.
this is not your final projection, because, there's a couple is states you're still thinking about, but give us your count as of tonight. >> yes, lawrence, we'll update on monday, but right now we think that clinton has 293 electoral votes. she will, we believe, win nevada, despite some of the late polling that has her behind there. we think she's ahead in north carolina. and as long as democrats can manage to get out more the african-american vote, and they're working hard on that, she will win north carolina. our big toss-up, in fact the only toss-up state is florida. you could argue new hampshire is a toss-up state. there are only four electoral votes there and 29 in florida. florida has flummoxed us so far. but 293 is a respectable total. if she wins florida, she'll go
clinton among latinos, latino decisions have excellent new data on this showing that clinton is getting a larger percentage of latinos than brau barack obama did. he got 21%. she's getting 79%, donald trump is in the teens. gee, i wonder why. that is a big, big gain for hillary clinton. the electorate's never static, and different pieces move in different directions every four years, but over all, i think people who are saying hillary clinton is collapsing and the blue wall is falling, you know, it's chicken little all over again. >> and quickly, larry on the senate, if hillary clinton, if your projection's right, hillary clinton's going to be the next president. is she going to be able to get a supreme court nominee through the next united states senate? >> well, she needs, she needs 50 democratic senators plus tim
donald trump's temperament. >> i'm also honored to have the greatest temperament that anybody has, because we know how to win. she spends $1 billion. she spends so much money, i see these ads. people that know me, say how can they say that? you know, we have a temperament, we have a certain temperament. it's a temperament of knowing how to win. >> donald stood on a stage and said, and i quote, i'm honored to have the greatest temperament that anyone's ever had. now he, he knows we can see and hear him, right? this is someone who at another rally yesterday actually said out loud to himself, stay on point, donald. stay on point. his campaign probably put that in the teleprompter. stay on point, donald, stay on point. >> and joining the discussion
now, elysse jordan. former adviser to rand paul's presidential campaign. and also with us, steve mcmahon, a democratic strategist and the ceo and co-founder of purple strategies. elysse, it still seems for the clinton campaign, the best material for hillary clinton every day is whatever donald trump just said. >> that's why this week has been damaging to her. so much attention has been focussed on the fbi and the e-mail server. if she can get back to pointing out to what ridiculous things donald trump is saying, his message the entire campaign, she's in much firmer, better territory. >> steve mcmahon, you've been, i was going to say you've been in campaigns like this. i take it back. no one's ever been in a campaign like this. but you've certainly been there where there's four campaign days left. obviously hillary clinton likes keeping the focus on what donald
funny to basically not pay somebody who's done work for him and say go ahead and sue me, because i've got more money than you and you can't do anything about it. >> larry sabato, is that approach based on voter analysis, that that is what is working with voters? talking about donald trump's temperament and character? >> oh, absolutely. this has come through for months, even before the conventions. and it's just as true today as it was then. the two big factors, they don't think he has the temperament to sit in the oval office and make critical decisions, and they don't think he's qualified in terms of experience and background, to deal with complex public policy issues. the more those two things can be stressed, the better for democrats, and president obama had a marvelous term there. uniquely unqualified. and, again, i think most people would agree with that, just based on the facts.
>> all right, let's look at the latest clinton campaign ad that goes straight at this. ♪ >> i'd look her right in that fat, ugly face of hers. >> he's a war hero because he was captured. i like people who weren't captur captured, okay? you got to look at this guy, oh, i don't remember. i would bomb the [ bleep ] out of them. i love war in a certain way. >> elysse, i think about people like you and steve wishing you could be in the room working on ads against donald trump, because they just serve up the, donald trump serves up that material. >> it is a gift that keeps giving when it comes to ads. but back to this temperament issue that we're talking about and how clinton and president obama are trying to stress this on the campaign trail this week,
out of all the focus groups that i've sat in during this campaign season, temperament was the absolute, number one issue that undecided voters mentioned when it came to pulling the trigger for donald trump. they're simply worried not only what he would do domestically been internationally, it's okay if he's a wrecking ball domestically, but internationally, they are really concerned. so this is definitely her closing argument. >> so steve mcmahon, never mind the supreme court in the last four days of the campaign, would you suggest they ignore issues, just go straight at donald trump the character? >> absolutely. she's got a 40 or 45-point edge on this trait which voters think is very important to a president, and i've sat in focus groups too and saw the same thing. voters are very worried about donald trump. they sort of like that he wants to change washington, they would like a change and broken glass
there, but they don't want that in the middle east or places where it's dangerous and scary. they want a balanced, experienced leader who's not going to get us into a war. >> steve mcmahon, elysse jordan, larry sabato, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. coming up, melania trump's speech today was accompanied by the most inappropriate music ever used by the trump campaign or any campaign in the history of campaigns. in the history of music. annemarie cox will give us her take on that speech. and former speechwriter for president george w. bush david from will join us to explain why he voted today for hillary clinton for president. one of millions of orders on this company's servers. accessible by thousands of suppliers and employees globally. but with cyber threats on the rise,
today, the microphone, i should say, but it was not for that press conference that donald trump promised since weeks ago in which melania trump would produce all her immigration records and prove to us her legality. instead, it was a speech accompanied by the most inappropriate music in the history of the campaign. annemarie cox will join us next and we'll bring you some of that speech. well this here's a load-bearing wall. we'll go ahead and rip that out. that'll cause a lot of problems. hmm. totally unnecessary and it triples the budget. we'll be totally behind schedule, right? (laughschedules. schedules. great, okay. wouldn't it be great if everyone said what they meant?
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♪ ♪ aquarius ♪ aquarius ♪ sympathy and trust abounding >> okay, that was weird. that is the most inappropriate piece of introductory music ever used at a campaign event. the last line of the lyric you just heard, "sympathy and trust abounding ". and then, for some inexplicable reason, the lyrics stop, the music continues, but the lyrics aren't there. they just stop. and the very next line, the lyrics that just don't happen, the next line is "no more falsehoods or derisions."
now it just can't be possible that the trump campaign, the campaign of falsehoods and derisions, was self-aware enough to realize that they just couldn't play that lyric today. it couldn't be that, because if the trump campaign was so self-aware, then they would never have chosen a hit song from the 1968 broadway musical "hair." it was the first nude musical. for the most part, they were dressed in the hippy costuming of the day. it was a story of dropping out, and dropping acid and free love and celebration of the hippy lifestyle. aimed at donald trump's age, graduated a month after "hair " opened on fraud way, but it definitely wa lly wasn't donalds kind of show. it was about, as the lyrics said, harmony and understanding,
sympathy and trust abounding. no more falsehoods or derisions. golden living dreams of visions mystic crystal revelation and the mind's true liberation. the music and the cultural world of people graduating from college in 1968 in donald trump's year, that year was deaf identified between the hippies singing about love and understanding and the mind's true revelation and elvis, unrepentant, 1950s rock and roll. so melania trump made her entrance to a song that stands against everything the trump campaign stands for. no more falsehoods or derisions. and oddly, melania trump's speech was about falsehoods and derisions. making her the first trump ever
to take a stand against falsehoods and derisions. >> as we know, now social media is a centerpiece of our lives. it can be a useful tool for connection and communication. it can ease isolation that so many people feel in the modern world. technology has changed our universe. but, like anything that is powerful, it can have a bad side. we have seen this already. as adults, many of us are able to handle mean words, even lies. children and teenagers can be fragile. they are hurt when they are made fun of or made to feel less in looks or intelligence. this makes their life hard and can force them to hide and
retreat. our culture has gotten too mean and too rough. especially to children and teenagers. >> made to feel less in looks and intelligence. so, the wife of the world's biggest, wildest, most out of control cyber bully, wants to assume the position of first lady so she can stop cyber bullying. no. this is not a self-aware campaign. four years ago, melania trump's husband tweeted this. cher, i don't wear a rug, it's mine, and i promise not to talk about your massive plastic surgeries that didn't work. melania trump's husband also tweeted this, ariana huffington is unattractive both yinside an out. i understand why her husband left her for a man. and he made a comment on the
fact that women were serving in the military. 26,000 unreported sexual assaults in the military, on only 238 convictions. what did these geniuses expect? how much money is the extremely unattractive both inside and out, ariana huffington paying her ex-husband for the use of his name. if hillary clinton can't satisfy her husband, what makes her think she can satisfy america. donald trump has tweeted that megyn kelly is a bimbo, attacked bette midler's attractiveness on twitter and said utterly poisonous things about rosie o'donnell, time and time again here, and i was the person donald trump threatened to sue
on twitter, he's attacked this show, saying it's unwatchable and first predicted the cancellation of this show five years ago, it was going to happen at any moment back then. also on twitter, donald trump has called me a poor journalist, stupid, a very dumb guy, the dumbest political commentator on television and the dumbest man on tv. today donald trump tweeted about watching his wife's speech, but he didn't say anything, anything about her condemnation of cyber bullying. joining us now, annemarie cox, senior political news correspondent for mtv news. i was looking at the trump hits on me, i have to confess, all of which made me laugh. and i thought he never goes after guys' looks. he only does the looks thing with women. and then i found this one. lawrence, this is from several years ago. lawrence will soon be off tv, bad ratings, he has a face made
for radio. so he has gone after, at least one guy, on looks. >> yeah, he's mocked krischri c too. he does save his real venom for women. that is true. and, you know, so i was working under a theory for a while that melania was an silon, because she has that weird thing where her eyes go back and forth, and she looks somewhat alien. but an android's circuits would fry, only a truly delusional human being could give a speech like she gave and survive it. a computer couldn't handle it. you've shown a hlot of the iron. but to go a step further beyond
trump himself doing the bullying, what about attacking people of the jewish faith who have covered him and they've sent people into hiding and remember the journalist that wrote a profile of melania and was deluged with anti-semitic remark, and the campaign and melania herself refused to say anything about it. >> it's one of those speeches where it makes you wonder, do these people ever talk to each other. it was all that portion of it was well-written. those were all good ideas, very well-considered stuff. but donald trump is just the most glaring, you know, violator of everything melania trump talked about today. >> right, you know, i always thought it was a little bit a shade that laura bush chose literacy as her cause when bush was president. i thought that was pretty
clever. but this is at another level. if this is self-aware subtweeting, it's like sticking the knife in. i don't, you know, it's hard to critique, you know, the families, right? i think everyone wants to not go to hard on the families of candidates. you know, a lot of us say things like this person didn't sign up for th. but i've been thinking. we don't know what melania signed up for. trump has said there's a prenuptial agreement. i imagine it's pretty long. she literally signed up for this. >> she definitely did literally sign something. i think when the families are trying to elect the most dangerous candidate in the history of the country, we've got a whole set of what's relevant and what isn't. >> and when she's trying to make the argument that somehow the donald that she knows is different than the one we know, we've seen no evidence of that. this is a case where we actually
have evidence of what he's like when he doesn't think the cameras are on, right? and it's pretty consistent, actually. like that's the thing that's sort of amazing, right? there's no hidden depths to hem. there's no other side of donald trump. hi like he's exactly the jerk you think he is. >> and what matters is who a president is going to be publicly. this is who he is publicly. >> and the temperament argument that all the hillary surrogates is making is a powerful one. we'd like to live in a country where we're having our des agreements about policy, but in the end, it really is about temperament when we elect a president, because there's not going to be, we can't predict every policy problem that comes forward. we can't predict everything that will happen in the world. at some point, it will be the president at his or her desk making the decision about
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when republican governor and former candidate john kasich voted in the battle ground state of ohio, he ducked the real choice of hillary clinton versus donald trump for president. governor kasich could not bring himself to vote for donald trump, and he couldn't bring himself to vote for hillary clinton, so he wrote in a vote for john mccain. david from accepted the real choice and announced today that he voted for hillary clinton. he wrote in an oped for the flaentsic, i have no illusions about hillary clinton. she is a patriot and will uphold the sovereignty of the united states. why didn't you write in john mccain? and what do you say to republicans who are thinking about writing in john mccain or something else? >> well, i wrote, the article i wrote for the atlantic
immediately before made the best case i could from a conservative point of view for donald trump, hillary clinton and a protest candidate. i feel like you have to face your choices. the absentee ballot which i septembe sent, stayed in my box about four days. >> when did you send it? >> about a week ago. but i would say, i'm not one who is greatly swayed by endorsements, but vladimir putin's, that cut a lot of weight with me. >> that would be the thing in the end that weighed the heaviest on you, which one does vladimir putin really want? >> the first is, i do think we are seeing an attempt to manipulate an american election by an unfriendly foreign power,
and it's really important that that unfriendly power get the strongest signal that this isn't acceptable. in the second thing, i do think hillary clinton, i mean, clintons, i've got a lot of critiques of the clinton foundation. i do think they bend the law. but hillary clinton accepts the concept of legality, she accepts that courts are asupreme and hls should be followed. and those pay sibasic rules. the system that we have is one that protects my rights under a president i don't approve of and tomorrow will do the same for you. and what people have in common is their commitment to those shared rules. and if you have a challenger to show shar those shearared rules, that's
unacceptable. >> are you having conversations with a number of your republican friends who are having the same problem that you are? >> there are a lot of shy clinton voters. i know marriages where they're both republicans, but women find this an easier step than the men do. i know a lot of republicans making a protest vote, and i don't complain about that. there are people who say my vote an expression and people who say my vote an instrument. i believe it is an instrument, not an expression. >> thank you very much. coming up, trump campaign is worried about getting out to vote, but are they telling the truth about that? that's in tonight's war room wi with mike murphy. [ piercing sound ]
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septembersent an e-mail to supporters this week asking them for money pause, we are currently executing a highly costly early voting push and get out to vote operation to ensure identified trump voters make it to the polls before election day. and this picture was tweeted with this caption, expensive early vote and get out to vote operation. that clearly doesn't exist. what grifters, con man. with four days left for the presidential war rooms, joining us tonight is mike murphy, republican campaign strategist and the host of the pod cast, radio free gop. so i have friends getting these trump e-mails, begging for money. this one you say is more fraud length thfraudu lent than most, because there isn't even a get out to vote
push? >> i'm the sheriff of corrupt town. but this one was particularly egregious. you can argue, there's a fig leaf. it's the joint fund raising committee between the rnc, and they do do generic things, but the e-mail implies, the technique they use is from kellyanne conway, and the idea they need money for this big tv system, which the campaign doesn't have. the rnc has some of it, that's why they'd argue there was a whip of truth. it was misleading. make a trump appeal. that's fine, but let's not pretend there's somet that doesn't exis >> it still cracks me up that the guy is asking for money. why ask for money? why not pump all that trump money that was supposed to come in. >> that's a promise we heard for a long time.
and he's put some money in, but not nearly what he said he would, but that's no surprise with trump. >> he will end up spending less than mike bloomberg did to get elected mayor of new york city. here's the count on field offices. hillary clinton has more field offices in 41 states, chug in every battleground state than donald trump has. here are the states where donald trump has more field offices han hillary clinton. arizona, south dakota, arkansas and mississippi. and arizona's the only one of those that's even in play. >> yeah, there's no trump field operation by real campaign standards. there's generic stuff the rnc is doing to help congressional races. but trump is doing none of the enhanced things that a normal presidential campaign would do. they're doing much of anything that a normal presidential
campaign would do. there's no real serious policy staff. the list goes on and on. trump is like the ice kcapades. it is this concert tour, and we'll see how that pays off on election day. i think with all the noise about how it's too close to call and all that, i'm making bets, i think trump's going down. >> walk us through your bet. on election night, which chips do you expect to see falling on the east coast? do you think in the early closings we'll see florida go for hillary clinton? >> i actually believe hillary is going to carry florida. i could be wrong, but even if trump wins ohio where he's a little stronger than florida and loses florida, let's give him both. and even if he were to win north carolina which has more republican proclivitieproclivit still has to make it up other places i don't think he can. i don't think he's going to poll
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normally you get 95% when you win. i think trump's republican number will be in the 80 s somewhere. so one of his many problems is, not all these republican votes by registration are actually trump votes. i don't know if it will be 28 to hillary, but i wouldn't be surprised if it's in the high teens, which is twice what it should be in a winning republican model. >> mike murphy, it's great to get your last word on this campaign as we approach tuesday, really appreciate. thanks, mike. >> thanks, lawrence. coming up next, the lawyer who fought the voter i.d. law in north carolina. indigestion, upset stomach, diarrhea!♪ here's pepto bismol! ah. ♪nausea, heartburn, indigestion, upset stomach, diarrhea!♪ why don't you let me... and me... help you out?
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they say some 6,700 people have been purged. a federal judge reinstated those purged voters' rights, calling the way that they were removed, quote, insane. that was the judge's word. insane. and the judge said it was out of the jim crow era. while democratic turnout for early voting is outpacing republican turnout in north carolina so far, black voter turnout is down 16% from 2012 and some activists say that that is due to that kind of voter suppression. the justice department plans to monitor voting in four counties in north carolina next tuesday. joining us now, penda haire. can you tell me what the judgment found to be insane?
i've heard a lot of judges speaking and writing from the bench. that's a word you don't hear very often. >> let me say first, lawrence, that the judge has not yet issued her final decision, but she did make some comments from the bench. what she found to be insane was that private people mailed pieces of mail to voters in the county, and then they took returned mail to the county and asked the county board of elections to purge those voters from the roles. and the counties actually did so on the behest of these private vigilantes. and more than 400 voters were purged in one county, and over 60 in another county, and in the larger county, it was thousands of voters who were purged. and a lot of this was done right up until election day. . there's another hearing to purge more voters on monday in one of these counties.
>> current polling shows hillary clinton leading donald trump 47-44 in north carolina. let's listen to the way president obama described this situation. >> grace bell lived in belhaven north carolina her entire life. all 100 years of her life. just a few weeks ago republicans challenged her voter registration status. and tried to remove her from the voter rolls. now grace got her voter regge administration reinstated. and you better believe she's going to vote. but this 100-year old woman wasn't alone in being targeted. the list was two-thirds black and democratic. that didn't happen by accident. >> and is that a pretty fair description of what's going on? >> yes. mrs. grace bell harditsson plai
brought. she's voted 23 elections in a role and was at risk of being purged. she got the challenge withdrawn after the north carolina naacp learned about her sorry and made it public. and many, many others in her county are not so lucky and are still subject to having their vote taken away unless the federal judge rules, which we believe will happen fairly quickly. >> if someone has trouble voting in north carolina, what should they do? >> well, they should insist on voting. and if the election officials will not give them a regular ballot, they should ask for a provisional ballot and make sure they are given the provisional ballot. and then after the election, the
heading into the end, though, donald trump, look at this, the foundation of trump support, white voters without a college degree, a whopping 30-point lead on that question. one of the arenreasons this is a total blowout nationally. we didn't just ask voters who they're voting for, we asked them why. a five-point national lead, not a total blowout. one of the reasons it's not bigger than that, who would best handle the economy? donald trump wins on that. the other big issues, hillary clinton a little bit on terrorism, a bit on immigration. what has her campaign been about, saying he's erratic, unfit, temperamentally not fit to be president of the united states. the voters agree, nearly 30 points she wince on the question of which candidate has the best temperament to be president, also wins by 15 points when voters are asked which of these two do you trust to be commander in chief? she's winning on the qualification for the job, if you will, even though she trails on the economy. the biggest question of all, anderson, anything in the new national numbers to change this? cnn electoral map shows hillary
clinton with a lopsided add vanta vantage. there's some reasons to say donald trump's republican support is coming back, maybe that will help him in the west where he's struggling. there's also good reasons for secretary clinton. she leads when we asked voters in the midwest, when asked who they'd pick for president. look at the national numbers and this map, a tighter race than some organizations have it in their polling. still advantage clinton. when you go state by state, lopsided advantage clinton. >> donald trump as we said finished a big rally. his very first words at it after thanking supporters was to point to a different poll showing him in the lead. we should say the survey from "investors business daily" does not meet our standards for transparency. cnn's jim acosta joins us now. thump spending a lot of time in florida obviously this week. he definitely needs to win there. what's the latest tonight? >> reporter: that's right, anderson. donald trump just wrapped up his remarks here at tampa right around us at this moment we want
kellyanne conway, his campaign manager, said on "meet the press" yesterday, we are running behind, but then earlier today, anderson, on cnn, jason miller, the senior communications adviser, said oh, no, no, kellyanne conway was talks about fund-raising but anderson, if you go back to the transcript from "meet the press" she was asked about how they're doing in the polls and she acknowledged as is the case right now that day are running behind. i have to point out right now, anderson we've been seeing this at on a routine basis at the donald trump rallies, he's been ramping up the rhetoric against the news media, we're seeing hostility against us, the media covering his campaign. a man right now holding a sign that says "trump sucks." earlier tonight, a woman jabbed me with her "trump for president" sign. i kaecan't imagine another coup weeks of this. it's getting intense. hillary clinton who's putting a good deal of her campaign emergency into
down-ticket races, some worry is overconfidence. she's extending her coattails to senate candidates, trying to take advantage of the one senator who's been known to get under donald trump's skin. more on that from brianna kei r keilar. >> reporter: hillary clinton making a campaign swing through new hampshire. >> we are more than our disagreements, we americans. there is so much more that unites us than divides us. >> reporter: and she's got help from liberal darling elizabeth warren, senator from neighboring massachusetts who took aim from donald trump for this remark at the last debate. >> such a nasty woman. >> he thinks because he has a mouth full of tic tacs he can force himself on any woman within groping distance. i got news for you, donald trump. women have had it with guys like you. nasty women are tough. nasty women are smart. and nasty women vote.
>> reporter: but for many americans, election day has come and gone. according to an analysis from catalyst by cnn, 5.1 million votes have already been cast across the u.s. as clinton and her campaign are feeling confident about her path to the white house, she's focusing more on helping democrats take back the senate. campaigning here in the granite state with governor maggie hassan who's leading in the polls as she looks to unseat incumbent republican kelly ayotte. >> unlike her opponent, she has never been afraid to stand up to donald trump. she knows he shouldn't be a role model for our kids or for anybody else, for that matter. >> reporter: it's a familiar refrain clinton is using. over the weekend in north carolina, she rallied voters for deborah ross as she tries to take on senator richard burr. >> unlike her opponent, deborah has never been afraid to stand up to donald trump.
because she knows he's wrong for north carolina. >> reporter: clinton is steadily moving her focus beyond donald trump. upping her planning for what she believes will be her transition to the presidency, a source close to clinton tells cnn. but clinton denies she's getting ahead of herself. >> you know, i'm a little superstitious about that. we've got a transition operation going and i haven't really paid much attention to it yet because i want to focus on what our first task is and that is convincing as many americans as possible to give us the chance to serve. >> brianna joins us now. what are you hearing from the clinton campaign? how confident is she going to the final two weeks of the campaign? >> reporter: you know, they're saying that every vote matters, of course, but there's a lot of confidence that we're hearing from the clinton campaign. they need to be careful they don't count their chickens before they hatch, specifically we're talks about people in the middle of the political spectrum who don't want to vote for donald trump and don't really want to vote for hillary clinton. they could become complacent if they think they don't have to
vote for hillary clinton in order to vote against donald trump. but it's just so clear the confidence as she is heading out to help all of these down-ballot democrats. that's what really tells you where they're at. >> brianna, this new report that came out today saying obamacare premiums will be going up an average of 22% next year. that's going to make things difficult for clinton considering how closely she's tied her campaign to its supposed success. >> reporter: that's right. politically this is not good for hillary clinton or for president obama, but here's the bottom line as we see it. i think it's important for people to understand, 22% increase in the next year in premiums on -- through obamacare. these are the plans bought on the exchange. it was 7% last year. so that is a jump. now most people because they get subsidies on the exchange actually aren't going to feel that increase, but still, this is a sizable, the overall cost of the program is big. it's getting bigger an td the b issue is choice. there's a number of states going into next year where people may go on the exchange to get a plan
and only going to have one insurance company to choose from. >> our panel, jonathan tasini, christine quinn. patrick healy is sheer. trump supporters jeffrey lord and scottie nell hughes. donald trump says he's going to win. they see a path. do you see what he's saying? >> he's in trouble and they know it. they are basing a lot of these assumptions on arizona being a solid trump state. nevada coming through. perhaps new hampshire coming through. certainly ohio and florida coming through. and talking to people inside the trump campaign, they acknowledge that they need that economy argument to really cut their way in the last two weeks. >> that seems to bt only thing in which he's leading. >> the only thing he's leading and, you know, in trump's favor here, 9 the1% of people in the cnn poll say the economy is still very important or important to them. he has an argument to make there.
he could dtie in the obamacare premium. you have donald trump coming out today saying the latest accuser against him of unrawanted advans is a porn star and bad mouthing her. the last two weeks donald trump needs to be focusing on that economic argument. it's the best one for him, but as we've seen for the last year and a half, his ability to get in his own way is still there. >> jeffrey, even this weekend, gettysburg address which was supposed to outline his first 111 1 supposed to outline his first 111 1 p 100 days he spent a fair amount of time talking about suing these women accusers. >> right. i think what he's tryinging to do is die all this together, all of this gets back to a culture of corruption, if you will. there's an ad i found very interesting. i think 15 days out, if we learned nothing else, the last year and a half, things can change on a dime. there's a television ad by a group called america's worth it. it never mentions donald trump. what it does is attack hillary clinton as the queen of
corruption and ties her to their words, not mine, liberal media bosses. that is part in parcel of the trump attack, and so -- >> at a major policy address that you said this is going to be my 100 days, the big-ticket item initially to be i'm going to sue all these women -- >> i understand. there's two ways of looking at this, anderson. i confess, that was my first reaction. the second reaction -- >> once you get a couple lines. >> three or four. >> all right. >> once you tie this all in, it's all -- it's all tied together. today in pennsylvania -- wait, wait -- >> let him finish. >> today in pennsylvania, the former democratic attorney general of pennsylvania was sentenced to jail for corruption. now, i'm just saying that this kind of thing makes a difference and that's what he's trying to point out. >> so he's trying to wrap it up in a culture of corruption but if you listen to what anderson said, he raised how he stepped on his message by continuing to
bring up he's going to sue the women and now attacking the most recent accuser in an incredibly insensitive way by saying something to the effect of this isn't the first time she's been gro groped. >> he said, oh, i'm sure she's been grabbed before. >> the people that's appealing to the most are the people who are harassing jim acosta, diehard trump supporters who hear this and believe that sort of larger, you know, narrative -- >> right. >> -- with the news media. but that's not getting whatever undecided voters are left or the soft clinton supporters. >> these are his acts. this is not a conspiracy by the clinton campaign. these are women who are accusing him of doing something. >> let me ask you about the obamacare premiums going up 22 pk. i mean, that -- had that happened during the primary, that would have been something that bernie sanders would have jumped all over. how bad is this for hillary clinton? >> well, bernie sanders and in progressives still believe that the only way to solve this is to have a single payer medicare for all system.
i will point out secretary clinton has started talking about the public option as an alternative, frankly, what she needs to move to. there's no question that the obamacare -- the rising premiums are going to hurt people but i think that for donald trump to make the argument and republicans to make the argument they're the solution, they want to throw all the people covered by obamacare off obamacare so they won't have coverage and would not preserve the pre-existing condition -- >> trump claims he would preserve it but how much do you wish -- he hasn't shown how. how much do you wish this happened months ago, this announcement was made? >> thank you for being honest. someone admitting the goal of obama compacare to put us on a payer system. >> i'm saying the opposite. >> that's what the whole goal is. may i finish now? 17 of the 23 exchanges are now out of business, gone bottom up. this is not impacting those in urban areas. this is impacting those people in the rural areas.
you've got in alabama right now 71% of increases of most people on insurances, oklahoma city is going to have the same kind of -- rural areas of arizona, 116%, they're going to see their premiums -- >> i just want to clarify something, though. >> that's the issues that are impacting america. you can talk about these other women. >> jonathan? >> obamacare was a institute for inaction on the part of republicans, period. republicans did not want to change the current system which basically cost people their lives and left millions of people not covered. >> that's not true. >> it is absolutely fact. >> no, it is not. >> it is absolutely the fact. the second thing, what obamacare tried to do is begin to go along the path, no question about it, to single payer. i'm not embarrassed by it. >> you should be. >> we should have medicare in the country, if we don't have medicare for all system -- >> we have to take a quick break. we're going to pick this up in a moment. later as we've been discussing i'll ask the republican party's top spokesman how donald trump squares his polling problems with women with his continued
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more than just the polls. >> our system is rigged. our system is rigged. she never had a chance of being convicted, even though everybody in this audience, and boy do we have a lot of people, everybody here knows that she's 100% guilty. >> that was donald trump just moments ago. back with our panel. i want to bring up the story from the "wall street journal" because a lot of republicans are pointing to it, ties a contribution from a pac of a close clinton ally, virginia governor terry mcauliffe, to the wife of the guy at the fbi who ended up being in charge of the investigation into the clinton e-mail server. basically implying there was a quid pro quo. >> right. >> how damaging do you think that is? because it certainly fits into the narrative you guys want of -- >> exactly. >> -- that this is -- >> that's exactly the point. anderson, we look at these polls, let me just talk to pennsylvania for a second. depending on the poll he's behind by five, six, seven,
eight, nine points, et cetera. i know you hate when i do anecdotes. >> go. >> on saturday when i had the day off, i took good old mom, put her in the car, got the halloween pumpkin 20 miles out in the countryside. there were trump signs everywhere. i saw ones, one hillary sign. now, anecdotal, but i'm trying to understand the polling data as, in relation to the -- >> what you're seeing out there. >> what i'm seeing on the ground. the last time i saw that much effort for one candidate was 2008, they were all obama sides. >> christine, this terry mcauliffe story, this guy was not in charge of the investigation when the donation was made to his wife. he was later, i guess, elevated. >> right. >> how serious do you think this is? >> look, terry mcauliffe is an intelligent guy. there's no way around that. he doesn't have some kind of esp where he can figure out -- >> he's a very close friend of the clintons. >> he gave a donation in relevance to where somebody was. i'm not saying he couldn't be so
intelligent to see into the future to know where this gentle ma'amm man was going to go. >> he was there. >> the gentleman was in one place and another job. he couldn't have possibly known. look, i don't disregard signs. they're a sign of enthusiasm. anecdote, i was in a restaurant today, a man came up to me and said i don't want to interrupt your lunch, his eyes welled up with tears, he said i wasn't sure what i was going to vote for, now as it's gone on and on, think about my daughters. >> like dueling banjo. >> mine has a person, he just has signs. >> he didn't have any tears -- >> pumpkins, though. >> all right. all right. two guys walked into a bar. one of them -- >> but it is interesting, these polls, i mean, the trump people continue to say, look, these polls are just flat-out wrong. >> right. and, look, we're going to know in two week. the problem is something like pay for play can have real damage, it can do real damage.
you have to start laying the groundwork for a pay to play argument months in advance in order for it to break through and people to understand it. donald trump, i remember when we talked last spring when he was trying to figure out what adjective to put onto hillary clinton's name, he was going for sort of low energy hillary. >> highbrow -- >> he went for crooked hillary, but the thing is that pay for play, it's a complicated, you know, multilayered argument that just in the last two weeks, it's really very hard to -- >> this is another chapter in the book of corruption, the clinton corruption chronicles. >> doesn't donald trump continue to step on his message every step of the way? i mean -- seems like he cannot -- it seems like any other candidate would have been able to make a more coherent argument over, to patrick's point, over months and months and months without having, you know, the headline this weekend being i'm going to sue these women when i get into office. >> but i think he has. i mean, let's look at it. we had saudi arabia arms deal, we had -- >> it was a 39-minute speech
about 15 minutes -- >> no, actually i think it came out und out, two minutes were focused on women who were going to sue him. ten minutes was background overall. of the past. dealing with the scandal and media bias was ten minutes. he lumped it all together to jeffrey's point. >> it was everything other than issues about his first 100 days. >> i think it goes back to the idea, what is the media focusing on, what are they focusing on? what are the stories they're making their headlines be out of? they're not talking about the fact he wants to rid the swamp, he wants to put in term limits. >> by the way -- he's not talking about it -- >> the majority of it -- focusing on one line. >> the moment that i will never forget in this campaign, many moments, was interviewing donald trump in his office the day after fbi director comey's report came out on the e-mail scandal in july and saying to donald trump, this is a gift, you know, you're going to be talking about this for the next, you know, weeks and weeks and weeks. he said i can talk about it for about five minutes at the rally then everybody gets bored and got to go back to the wall and
got to go to the polls. it was sort of like a -- that moment crystalized him, you know, for me. he's a showman. he's a performer. he needs, you know, there's a plus. the idea of prosecuting an argument for three months, four months, the e-mail was perfectly served up, you know, as a weapon for him. and july, it just sort of faded and august -- >> he had three opportunities at the debates. to your word you used, anderson, coherence, if you actually go and read the transcripts which geeks like me do, he's not able to make a coherent argument about any policy issue. >> i remember corey lewandowski before the last debate talking about draining the swamp, statement, taken fire among his supporters and what he'd be talks about at ttal talking about at the debate. >> he used gettysburg, though. >> he started that, what, more than a week ago, he could have been -- >> i think you're going to -- >> the teleprompter -- >> let's go back to 2008 and
barack obama. talk about -- >> one at a time. >> the great entertainer in chief. i mean, i will give barack obama this, in 2008, he was the best campaigner, you know, bill clinton was good, barack obama was even better. and he was allowed to get people engaged. he got people to the polls. he got people inspired. and it wasn't because of talking policy. i think mr. trump might have watched him. might have watched people like bill clinton. it's all about engagement. people showing up to the polls. >> obama -- >> we know barack obama and bill clinton and donald trump is neither of them. he's not -- >> that's a good thing. >> no, he's not -- >> he's got the energy. >> he's not able to engage voters. >> we have to pause it there. crunchtime on the campaign trail for both. i'll talk to rnc chief strategist sean splicer about the headwinds trump is facing.
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i talked to sean spicer for the rnc just before we went to air. sean, you've seen the results of the new cnn poll. trump trails by five points. he said today at a rally he thinks he's winning. do you believe he's winning? >> i think when you look at the battleground states whether it's florida, iowa, ohio, where it matters, we're winning. we have a path to 270 that's going to put him in the white house come november 8th. again, i think the other thing, anderson, you look at states where we can start to see evidence of that. florida we're up over the democrats in the early votes. not just the absentee ballots requested, then returned. same thing in iowa. and in places, excuse me, like iowa and north carolina -- in iowa, excuse me, in places like iowa and ohio where traditionally we don't do as well as early votes, you see actually a consolidation of where we've been in the past. it's a much closer race for us. we do so well there on election day. >> but, i mean, you know, we just had john king explain the electoral map.
even if trump wins all the states that cnn currently has as tossups, he still comes up short of 270. so i mean, you're looking -- you say you're looking at early -- >> right, no. if you take florida, ohio, nevada, iowa, north carolina, and then add in new hampshire and maine, too, areas we're doing well in, that gets us over the 270 mark. >> i think new hampshire, though, i think even maine in real clear politics, a poll of polls, shows clinton in the lead. and also in florida. >> again, some of these places, there's not one of those states that's not in the margin of error. we feel good about our data, where we are, and voter targeting. the early vote, ann absentee vote requests and our ground game. i get with all due respect to the polls i know where we are data wise. we feel very good. >> this morning trump tweeted "major story the dems are making up phony polls in order to suppress the trump. we're going it to win." do you -- can you point to which polls and which democrats he's referring to?
>> abc showing a 12-point race. that's by far an outlier. the demographics that make up -- >> that's not necessarily a phony -- >> the phony polls are online polls donald trump always seems to be referencing. even the rasmussen poll isn't something we would use. >> okay, again, you get to make that decision. i think when you look at the ma rasmussen poll and ibd poll, the ibd poll was the most accurate poll going back a couple cycles. i get you might not like it but it's been one of the most accurate polls going forward. >> for clarificatioclarificatio use it because they don't reveal their methodology and the rasmussen poll uses a combination of online polling and telephone polling. >> right. i understand that, but i'm not saying that you have to accept it, but it doesn't make it phony. >> just today donald trump said in response to an adult film actress who says he grabbed and
kissed her, offered her money to go to his hotel room. "oh, i'm sure she's never been grabbed before." >> i really don't. the idea today we saw terry mcauliffe, one of clinton's strongest allies allegedly -- not allegedly, helped steer $500,000 in campaign contributions to the wife of the person who ran the fbi investigation of hillary clin n clinton. i'm somewhat shocked they're not getting the level of attenti attention -- >> he did give the money before the guy was assigned to that case. >> he was the number three at the fbi at the time. yes, he became number two but the idea that that doesn't seem like a huge impropriety is a little -- the idea that people are sort of helping to make the excuses for. it's hillary clinton that should have to answer for that. it's terry mcauliffe. the media shouldn't be sort of making excuses for when certain things happen. they should be asking the tough questions as they do every day of the trump campaign. >> all right. sean spicer, good to talk to you
as always. thank you. >> thanks, anderson. and our interview, complete interview with sean can be seen online at ac360.com. ahead, more on donald trump's appetite for suing people or threatening to. we'll look at why trump's threat to sue "the new york times" over its reporting on sexual assault allegations is likely going to remain just that, a threat and no more. we'll be right back. romantic moments can happen spontaneously, so why pause to take a pill? or stop to find a bathroom? cialis for daily use,
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as we reported during a speech in pennsylvania over the weekend, donald trump went off script and spent a good amount of time attacking women who've accused him of sexual assault threatening once again to take them to court. >> every woman lied when they came forward to hurt my campaign. total fabrication. the events never happened. never. all of these liars will be sued after the election is over. it was probably the dnc and the clinton campaign that put forward these liars with their fabricated stories, but we'll find out about their involvement at a later date through litigation. and i look so forward to doing
it. >> well, trump is also threatening or there were reports he was going to sue "the new york times" over its reporting on sexual assault allegations he's facing. none of this is actually surprising giving trump's long history of threatening to sue people who say things about him he doesn't like. "usa today" wrote a strong piece about his propensity to sue. "the presidential candidate threatened a rapper, documentary filmmakers, palm beach civic clucks newsletter and better business bureau for lowering its rating of trump university. vowed to sue multiple news organizations including "the new york times," "wall street journal," "washington post," "usa today," didn't follow through with any of those." randi kaye tonight reports. >> no papers more corrupt than the failing "new york times." good news it is failing, it won't be around too much longer, but they are really, really bad people. >> reporter: donald trump tearing into "the new york times" for its reporting on women accusing trump of touching them inappropriately.
trump's team called the article reckless and defamatory and demanded a retraction and an apology. failure to comply, trump's lawyer warned, would leave trump no choice but to pursue all available actions and remedies. the candidate has made it sound like a lawsuit is imminent. >> it will be part of the lawsuit we are preparing against them. >> reporter: if trump's lawyers do sue "the new york times," don't expect the paper to request the lawsuit be dismissed. it may be exactly what t"the ne york times" wants. in response to trump's lawyer, an attorney for "the times" shot back, "if mr. trump disagrees w wing the opportunity to have a court set him straight." read between the lines and "the new york times" seems to be saying, bring it on. donald trump in a court of law under oath answering all kinds of embarrassing questions about his sex life and his behavior with women. it's a process called discovery and in the end could provide a treasure-trove of stories. that is if trump tells the
truth. the "washington post" found when trump was deposed back in 2007 for a lawsuit he filed against a "new york times" reporter, trump lied as many as 30 times. if a lawsuit is filed in this latest case involving his accusers, legal experts say it wouldn't just be donald trump facing questions. ivanka, the rest of his children and maybe even his ex-wives could be deposed. not to mention, the growing list of women who now say trump kissed them or put his hand up their skirt without consent. the republican nominee continues to suggest he's been a victim of libel. what's still unclear is if trump realizes how much a lawsuit could expose about his business and personal life. >> these false attacks are absolutely hurtful. to be lied about, to be slandered, to be smeared so publicly, and before your family that you love is very painful. >> reporter: painful, but with a lawsuit, the burden would be on
donald trump to prove all the claims against him are false. randi kaye, cnn, florida. lot to discuss. joining me now, senior legal analyst and former federal prosecutor jeffrey toobin. trump's claim that he's going to sue the women who have made accusations against him, that he's going to sue all of them, how hard is a case like that? >> it's very hard in the united states for any sort of public figure to win a libel or defamation case because he'd have to show one of two things. he'd have to show what's called -- he'd have to show either that the person who made the accusation or the newspaper knew it was false when they made it, or showed reckless disregard for whether it was true. now, reckless disregard means you made no effort to check it out and certainly when it comes to the "the new york times," they obviously made a greet deal of effort to check out every story they wrote about trump, so it really does seem literally impossible for him to win a lawsuit against "the new york times." it is, perhaps, somewhat more
possible against these women, but as randi pointed out in her story, if she were to bring such a lawsuit, his whole personal life would be open in discovery process. >> so in discovery. that means "the times" or these women's attorneys could essentially depose him about his entire history. his entire sexual history, everything. >> and, of course, the "access hollywood" tape would come in where he admitted making unwanted sexual advances. virtually sexual assaults on women which would be argued on the part of these defendants was proof that he had a propensity for doing this which would certainly help their case. >> over the weekend also, trump made the argument that essentially the press in the united states can say whatever they want and that he want, you know, libel and slander laws to look more like they do in the united kingdom where it's easier for people to get convictions. >> it is. it's different in several important ways. the most important way is that
in the united states, the plaintiff has the burden of showing that the story is false. in great britain, the publisher, the news organization, has the burden of showing that it's true. also what's different is that the loser pays the winner's attorneys fees. so it really raises the stakes for both sides. here, everybody pays their own attorney fees regardless of what happens, but the press is in a much more vulnerable position in great britain. >> is it just that the story is false or there has to be malice involved in the u.s.? >> in the u.s., no, i mean, they don't -- actual malice is a somewhat misleading term. it doesn't mean, like, hate. >> okay. >> it does mean a kind of recklessness. >> a reckless disregard. they didn't research it, they didn't look -- >> they didn't try. they didn't make any effort to check it out. usually what satisfies the actual malice standard is if you go to the subject of the story and say, is this true, will you respond to the allegations? clearly, "the new york times"
did this. all the newspapers and news organizations that have written about trump have gone to him for comment and that, alone, basically eliminates the possibility that trump could ever win one of these cases. >> any reporter can show the steps they went to to try to verify a story. whether or not there was actual verification, at least having made the effort is enough. >> this is one of the key differences between the united states and great britain. in great britain, that's not good enough to show you made a good faith effort to check it out. you can still lose a libel case in great britain. in united states if you the reporter show the steps you went through, show you made an effort to get comment, to check it out, you win. >> i see. >> and the other point he said several times is that he wants to change libel law in the united states. >> right. >> that's something the supreme court has done. starting in the 1964 case, "the new york times" against sullivan. i mean, these are laws that are set by the courts. not by the president. so barack obama, hillary clinton, donald trump, nobody
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well, you've been watching this election closely, you've seen her on tv plenty of times. kellyanne conway is a pundit. you've heard about trump's refusal to release his taxes, and how in her words, at the time, built his business on the backs of the little guys. now he defend him on a daily basis, even when the going gets very, very tough. our chief political correspondent, dana bash, spent time with kellyanne conway at her home. take a look. >> reporter: morning at the conways. >> sweetheart, how's this? and which jacket? >> reporter: scrambling to get the kids ready for school. familiar chaos for any parent, though kellyanne conway is not any parent. >> kellyanne conway bluntly acknowledging the uphill climb. >> reporter: the mother of four young children is donald trump's campaign manager. on tv so much, explaining and defending her boss, "saturday night live" dedicated an entire bit to imagining her day off.
>> this is so weird. this is exactly the way the "snl" house looked. >> where's "walking on sunshine"? >> in my head. >> the pancakes are true to life. >> reporter: these days her mother, who moved in to help, makes the pancakes. conway's only been on the job since august. trump's third campaign manager, but the first woman ever to run a gop presidential race. >> i wasn't hired because of my gender, but it's a special responsibility. >> reporter: and often a difficult one. like this weekend, when trump went offscript, attacking the women who say he groped them. >> all of these liars will be sued after the election is over. >> do you just tear your hair out when you hear him say that? >> it's his campaign and candidacy and he has to feel comfortable with his voice. >> you're the campaign manager. do you feel comfortable with him saying that? >> i think trump is at his best when he talks about the issues.
>> reporter: translation, going off-message hurts his campaign. conway insists she's tough on him in private. >> i don't sugar coat it at all. >> give me an example miami donald trump and you're kellyanne conway and i say something that really makes you mad -- >> i told him yesterday, on the plane, you and i are going to fight for the next 17 days. and he said, why? and i said, because i know you're going to win. and that comment you just made sounds like you think you're going to lose. and we're going to argue about it until you win. >> and what's his response? >> he said, okay, honey, then we'll win. >> reporter: for a time after conway took over, trump was disciplined, but not anymore. especially on twitter. >> literally, people will seriously say, can't you delete his twitter app? >> that was actually one of my questions. >> of course. it's not for me to take away a grown man's twitter account. >> and i moved on her very heavily. >> reporter: when tape from 2005 came out of trump describing lewd behavior, conway canceled sunday tv appearances, but still helped with damage control. >> i felt like rapunzel in the
tower all weekend. and i told mr. trump in private what i've also said in public or a variation thereof. i found the comments to be horrible and indefensible. and he didn't ask anybody to defend them, by the way. >> did you consider quitting? >> i did not. >> reporter: she said she thought his apology was earnest. >> the women who have now come forward and said, it's not just talk. donald trump groped me. do you believe them? >> i believe -- donald trump has told me and his family and the rest of america now that none of this is true, these are lies and fabrications. they're all made up. and i think that it's not for me to judge what those women believe. i have not talked to them. i've talked to him. >> reporter: she was raised in new jersey by a single mom, aunts, and grandmother, all women, as a political pollster, she chose to work in what she calls a man's world, especially as a republican. she recalled a potential client, a man, asking how she'd balance kids and work. >> it was just like, i hope you
ask all the male consultants, are you going to give up your wicked golf game and your mistresses, because they seem really, really busy, too. >> reporter: still, like most working moms, time with her kids is precious. the question is whether she'll have more time in two weeks, after election day. when she was hired the august, she told trump he was losing, but still could win. >> do you think at this point, it is still possible to win? >> it is still possible to win. >> probable? >> i think that we have got a very good chance of winning. >> and dana bash joins me now. what a lot of peel say about kellyanne conway, is that she is an expert on speaking to women voters and that's always been sort of her calling card. it's got to be a -- i don't know what the adjective would be, but it's an interesting position she now finds herself in. >> frustration, and i think maybe the ultimate irony that she is a pollster, but she has sort of found a niche in not just working for political
operatives or political campaigns and candidates, but for corporate america, explaining, using her experience and in data, explaining how to reach women, that she is working for a candidate, who has such a deficit with women. i asked her that question. and her answer was, well, in this stage of the game, it's too late. and i said, you mean, you should have been hired earlier? and she said, no, no, i don't mean that. but when she goes in and talks to clients, not donald trump, and corporate leaders who are not donald trump, she says she has like sort of a long-term explanation for how to talk to women. and that's certainly not a playbook she can follow when she's the donald trump's campaign manager. >> fascinating. i can't believe the staircase is the exact same in that "saturday night live" skit. >> i said to her, did they come in her and scout that out? and she said no. >> and i like her kids like "hamilton." >> coming up, donald trump, as you've seen, said he's going to sue the women who came forward and said he allegedly groped them.
we'll talk to someone who knows what it's like to be sued by donald trump, a former miss usa pageant who said the pageant was rigged and was sued for $10 million. she lost her lawsuit -- donald trump won the lawsuit against her. i speak with her in the next hour of "360." oh no, that looks gross whoa, twhat is that? try it. you gotta try it, it's terrible. i don't wanna try it if it's terrible. it's like mango chutney and burnt hair. no thank you, i have a very sensitive palate. just try it! guys, i think we should hurry up.
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north korean actions just re-enforced for both leaders why this is the number one threat to both prime minister abe and to president trump. i think the north korean actions were deliberately timed after what was a pretty good week in terms of u.s. policy in asia, with regard to president trump's call with xi jinping and secretary mattis's trip to the region, i think the trump administration said look, we're here and we're not going to be an easy issue to deal with. >> right now the national security advisor is said to have broke on the law and critics call for him to be fired, for him to step down. how much does that impact the advice that this group can give the president at this time? >> i think the precedent is going to get advise from a wide range of people, including the folks in the state department,
particularly those commitments to china that would affect the finances that north korea has for building these missiles, there may be a statement that comes out of the u.n. security council as well. i don't expect a full-fledged resolution, though. >> we keep hearing that china is like the lynch pin in all of this. why isn't china tougher on north korea. >> turning the korean peninsula into a u.s. military ally, a democratic military ally right on china's border. but there's a lot more that china could do, they promised to do so in the last security council resolution, particularly as i said on coal, but in the last order of 2016, north korean coal imports were at a record high, so they're clearly not doing what they're supposed to
were referring to. but this is the ninth time they have tried to test this missile. the last two times before the election were unsuccessful, and this was a successful missile launch, and this could mean that they're perfecting their missiles, that they may want to send to iran or others. both japan and the u.s. and it's allies need to focus on and it's the number one security issue. >> you just brought upp iran an its nuclear missiles. which do you think is the biggest threat. >> i think the real threat is north korea. iran has a developing nuclear program, north korea has one.
they're trying to create a missile that can reach the united states. so i think while the stakes are high in both cases, and there has been a lot of attention paid to the iran case, the north korean case, as president obama told president trump reportedly in their white house meeting is really going to be the number one issue in this administration. >> thanks for offering your expertise for us. still to come, people in president trump's inner circle are still focused on the numbers from election day. a senior white house official staying on the claim that millions of people voted illegally. so what's their strategy here? plus the fight for the president's travel ban, could a new executive order come as early as tomorrow? and later, sean spicer's tough week from fighting with the press to late-night parodies, does the white house press secretary have a pr problem? that's all ahead, you're live in the cnn newsroom. not back.
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president trump says all opss are on the table when it comes to reinstating his travel ban. so let's bring in cnn's white house correspondent, let's break down the options the trump team is now considering? >> reporter: they're considering and pursuing a range of options is how white house senior advisor put it on the sunday circuit today. one is continuing to fight for the travel ban in court, whether it's in the supreme court, another hearing, an on bonk or issues new executive orders or taking further executive actions, that is what the president teased to reporters on friday, saying there could be a
brand-new executive order as early as monday or tuesday, now he didn't commit to that time frame, and in interviews today with steven miller and with another trump aid, sarah huckabee-sanders, another white house aid was working out how soon it would take these next steps, we do know that president trump feels that there's a state of urgency, so they want to move quickly, but it's not clear if they're going to be ready to file a new executive order as early as tomorrow. one change they could make to the order, of course, is to make it clearer that it does not apply to green card holders, which is legal residents. >> let's stick with the immigration theme here, a lot of people talking about those immigration raids in 12 states that happened over the past week, athena, what has president trump said about those raids? >> reporter: that's right, those
raids have left a lot of people in immigrant communities and in the broader community concerned and fearful. the president tweeted about this earlier today, he said the crackon on illegal criminals is merely the keeping of my campaign promises. it's a signal that this administration is going to be tough on undocumented criminals. what's interesting here is that i.c.e. officials said that the planning for these raids had begun under the obama administration, so it's interesting to see president trump taking credit here, even though it appears that these large scale raids, we're talking about some over 160 people, just in the los angeles area, another 200 in several other states, so it's interesting the sort of, not really clear what's going on there, anna.
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a lot of people are looking at the optics of this, anna, you can't get a leader who's more different than donald trump. he is a multilateralist, he's a progressi progressive. more than half of his cabinet is women. they have been so studious, all of his cabinet members have said, look, you do not criticize donald trump, you do not criticize u.s. policy. i know i have tried a million times to talk to him about it and it had not worked and they were like that even before the election. >> while they're theirfcareful criticize, they're not necessarily in agreement with what the president has done here? >> what was making a lot of news when the travel ban came in is that prime minister trudeau tweeted, he's saying, look, to
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that canadian prime minister. he also has a meeting with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu on wednesday. again, live pictures from air force one, president trump arriving back in washington, d.c. tonight. thanks for staying with us here in the cnn news room. democratic senator al franken says president trump's repeated claims of voter fraud have not only democrats but some of his republican colleagues now questioning the president's mental health. here's what he told jake trapper. >> do you have concerns about president trump's mental health? >> yes. not the majority, but it's a few. >> in what way? >> in the way we all have this suspicion that, you know, that he's not, he lies a lot. he says things that aren't true, that's the same as lying, i guess.
he, you know, 3 million to 5 million people voted illegally, there's a new one about people going into massachusetts. >> thousands and thousands in a bus, yeah. >> and, you know, that is not the norm for a president of the united states or actually for a human being. >> we should note, cnn cannot confirm franken's assertion that a few of his colleagues have expressed thds concerns. former political commentator and communications districtor for ted cruz and the president obviously doesn't want a headline like this out there, even if he thinks it's absolutely ridiculous, how does he combat it? >> you combat it just by taking it head on. look, it is unequivocal facts
matter, and that goes for whether they're spoken by the president, the administration or those in the media. and it's important that everyone be factual. while on occasion, the typical story line may have changed for the president. but for members of the senate, or members of congress to question his mental health, that's uncalled for, that's p p reprehensible and there should not be any of that. to continue, it's just disrespectful and uncalled for in the presidential arena. >> what do you make of it? >> i don't know donald trump, i don't think alice knows him, i don't think al franken does, but you know who's been friends with him for years and attended his wedding? howard stern, he said donald trump has a very fragile ego, he wants to be liked, he wants to be loved, he wants people to
cheer for him. last time i checked, donald trump was pro abortion. he might be delusional because i love this, i don't know why people don't pick this up. the day after he was inaugurated, he goes to the cia. he said the rain stopped when i came out and spoke, and then the sun came out and then when i stopped speaking, it started raining again. that's ee's either not true, o he's -- those illegals who allegedly voted for clinton right before they did the bowling green massacre, should have us all concern econcerned. >> we did hear stephen miller doubling down on the unsubstantiated voter fraud claims earlier this week. >> voter fraud is a serious problem in this country, you have millions of people who are registered in two states, who
are dead and registered to vote, and you have 14% of noncitizens, according to academic research, at a minimum are registered to vote, which is an astonishing statistic. >> hold on a second, you just claimed again that that was illegal voting in new hampshire from people bussed into massachusetts. do you have any evidence of that? >> george, go to new hampshire, talk to anybody who's worked in politics there for a long time. everybody's aware of the problems in new hampshire. >> for the president right now, we're looking at lye pictures as he walks off the plane, air force one back in washington, d.c. when you hear stephen miller come out and continuing to fuel the narrative of voter fraud in the u.s., not just voter fraud, but widespread voter fraud, what's your response? >> lies, shameless lies, it's pathetic, and voter fraud which doesn't exist is really threatening to republicans because they want to engage in voter suppression and voter id
laws against people like african-americans. he can simply say i was mistaken, there weren't illegal votes, look, i won, but i'm so set on proving the biggest of everything, that i will now lie and have sean spicer lie and even have stephen miller lie, and he identified voter fraud as being registered in two different states, and you know who else is registered in other states? steve bannon and jared kushner. >> just because you're registered in two states, doesn't mean you're voting in both states, but there are instances where that has happened and there are cases of that voter fraud, not widespread, however. >> i think it's important to remember where this began, when there first became questions about voter regularities and russian hacking in the
elections, president trump was frustrated, understandably so, because he felt that that was a way to delegitimize his victorv, that's what started conversations about voter fraud. and it's morphed into what we have now about repeated claims about millions of people who voted illegally and voter fraud. i myself don't believe there's evidence of that, i have worked as deputy secretary of state, and these elections are run state by state and it's virtually impossible to have such widespread voter fraud as they're claiming, but that being said, if they feel that, girlfriegive us some sort of evidence so we can have can confidence in your investigation that you're carrying out. if they were to do that they would get a lot more run way. i think it's important to focus on what we saw in the split screen, it was a successful
weekend with the japanese prime minister where he worked on building a relationship with them and the ballistic missile test from north korea and showing a united front, those are the things that are positive that he should be focusing on instead of things that not a lot of people have put much faith in. "snl" had a sketch last night featuring the president having his day in court over that blocked travel ban. let's talk about that issue after we take a look at that sketch. >> president trump, look, i have read the ban, it seemed rushed even to me, and i decide three court cases in an hour. i see no evidence that it will help. >> i would like to settle. >> what? >> i would like to settle out of court. they always settle pocahontas.
>> i want one day without a cnn alert that scares the hell out of me. >> so she says, you're doing too much, "snl" poking fun at how much we have been covering in just the past three weeks. alice, what's your response? >> i think on one hand it's good that they are following through on campaign promises, they are promise keepers, as the vice president continues to say, a lot of what he told trump supporters, he is following through on that and that's a positive sign and also the measures he made, the executive orders with regard to law and order and safety and protecting our law enforcement officers, those are things that are sorely needed in this country, but at the same time, with regard to the travel ban executive order, they could have taken a little bit more time to make sure that the legalities of that were sound on the front end and make
sure all the is were cross and ts were dotted. all of that unfortunately before the courts, we would be in a much different situation. but i do strongly believe the law is on their side with the travel ban, and i think if they rework the executive order they'll be successful and won't face legal challenges if they were to rewrite it and go about it another time. >> do you agree? >> no, instead of issuing these executive orders it would be nice if he actually wrote them and didn't rely on steve bannon and stephen miller. and advocate for the purchase of ivanka's clothes and going into nordstrom and all that. but he doesn't know what he's doing, this shows rank incompetence of his administration. i agree with alice, that had they reworked it, that he would have a better chance. but it is an unconstitutional
muslim ban, and it was good to see donald trump who's used to election, gets trumped, anonymously, legal ruling 3-0 unanimous ruling. also reminding president trump that there's a judiciary checks and balances and separation of powers and he's not the everyoner. >> got to get in a break here, appreciate you both in offering your thoughts to us tonight. coming up from political fire works to late night parodies, take a look at sean spicer's rough week as white house press secretary. >> this is silly, next. okay, thank you, you have asked your question. s. and you can count all the ingredients in flavored almond milk on ten fingers and five toes.
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uh-oh. it's melana. whoa, slow your roll, honey, then we're going to pattern down and we're going to read her emails and if we don't like the answers, which we won't, boom, guantanamo bay. >> how does he portray sean spicer without losing it herself. his combative exchanges with the white house press corps have almost become daytime tv. the soap opera at the white house is outscoring the actual soaps like "general hospital." here's a taste of why. >> audience comment were about
that the president doesn't have time to tweet about everything. he's tweeting about this. >> right. >> he's not tweeting about something else. >> i came out here and actually spoke about it and said the president spoke. >> what about the president's time? >> you're equating me addressing the nation here in a tweet? i mean that's the silliest thing i have ever heard. that's silly, next. >> after that happened here were the headlines, from politico, sean spicer loses his cool with the press. from "gq," donald trump can't help but make sean spicer's life miserable. and from "the washington post," sean spicer went full melissa mccarthy today. i want to bring in hemedia correspondent. >> i guess the plus side for sean is that he's the best known press secretary in memory, but the bad side is he's kind of a laughing stock and i don't know
how he gets out from under the characterization now, other than actually embracing it. i think being combative is only making it worse. people are saying, wow, he's doing melissa mccarthy now. >> because this is the trump administration, are people being maybe hyper critical? >> i think the trump administration is being scrutinized for everything they do, because as you showed in the clip, it seems like every hour there's a new alert, that something is happening, that people are like, just, it makes their head spin. it's a critical eye being turned on it. i don't think you can deny that, and if you're talking about "saturday night live," you're talking about the premier satirical entertainment in the country right now that's come into itself again in the biggest way it's been in years, the
ratings are spectacular, they had the highest ratings last night than they have had in since years, so it's very successful for them. >> "vanity fair" went so far as to call president trump our very own baghdad bob. >> the press has stated that they don't believe a lot of what he says, because a lot of what he says has proven to be wrong, about fraudulent voting, et cetera. he's having trouble talking, which she may reference, melissa mccarthy, trying to pronounce names and then messing them up. being portrayed as baghdad bob is the worst thing you can say about a press secretary because nothing he says is credible. >> i can't help but feel bad for
them knowing that he is on tv and knowing the kind of scrutiny that is sometimes thrown at you. how has melissa mccarthy's skit been in shaping the public opinion of sean spicer? >> people don't really know the press secretary, people watched him a little bit, because he made sort of noise attacking the press. she comes out and it was a big surprise, now she comes out and repeats it. it's like pounding him over the head with a sledgehammer. i think he is under duress. i do think it's interesting that he asked about using a water gun with the press, and that would have been a good idea, i would think, because at least they would have said he's playi inin along. playing along with the only way you can fight it.
>> an administrator in the dominican republic got blasted for using a photo of alec baldwin playing president trump instead of an actual photo. >> i think it's an obvious mistake, but it gets to the place where people are crossing over, the alec baldwin impression is being seen by an enormous number of people. and so some foolish person in the dominican republic made that mistake, but it underscores that there's just not a lot of serious thoughtful stuff going on in terms of the way people are reacting to this president. they're reacting in visceral ways, they either love him or they hate him, it's one of the two extremes. >> quick break, we'll be right back. baa baa black sheep,
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>> reporter: and perhaps secretary spicer was channeling beyonce's hit "formation" when he criticized the state department over the controversial travel ban. >> i think they should get with the program or they can go. >> reporter: or kellyanne conway's -- >> i have been on cnn over 1,000 times in my career, i'm sure. >> reporter: and is it possible, white house strategist steve bannon is channeling demi know vat toe. >> just think of our current white house drama featuring those earlier songs and maybe it will be much easier to listen to. >> jake tapper, where do you find the time. up next, it's a "parts unknown"
we need to slow down and get it right. like mom used to say, you rush and you make mistakes. >> democrats are going to continue in their head-long rush to pass a government takeover of health care. >> from where i stand and frankly many republican senators stand who are troubled by the pace is of concern. >> we should have had more time to digest it. >> i guess history has a funny way of repeating itself. >> what a difference eight years doesn't make. republicans today sounding a lot like republicans back in 2009 on health care reform. only this time, they are battling themselves. can president trump and house speaker paul ryan bring their own party on board? this as one new report says at least 15 million people, joe, will lose their health care coverage under the new gop plan. this morning, we are going to speak live with the u.s. secretary of health and human services dr. tom price.
plus, the man responsible for whipping votes in the house, republican congressman steve scalise and congressman tim ryan on the democrats game plan. good morning, everyone. it's friday! it's friday, march 10th. with us senior political analyst for nbc news and msnbc mark halpern. political analyst john heilemann. and mark and john have big news to announce and get to that in a moment. congratulations. we love it. joe, you're down in washington for some meetings but you couldn't make it back up because of the weather. did you see the little girl? speaking of the weather. we will explain this to you. >> oh! >> we will have that. bill karins will talk about the incredible wind and rough weather across the country j new a moment! she is okay. she's okay. but before we dive into new. joe, what is your take in washington? you had meetings yesterday on where things stand across the board. >> two big takeaways. one, everybody is questioning
why the house did what they did, why they handled health care the way they did. the senators, tom cotton is right. so many senators believing they made a mistake by repeating the mistakes of the democrats in 2009, rushing into this. and the concerns also being whispered in the white house. really surprised that the house gop team didn't have everybody together, that they didn't have the freedom caucus on board. and that they were blindsided the way they were. so a lot of surprise on that respect. on another sort of theme we keep talking about, there is absolutely no evidence as john podhoretz said that anybody who supported donald trump the day of his election does not support him today.
in fact, people in the business community are even bigger supporters and more excited about what they believe is going to be sort of financial regulatory and tax relief that they have needed for quite sometime. and, mika, over the past year and a half, you and i ran across a lot of people who were afraid to admit it and they are not afraid to admit it now. they are more in donald trump's camp business community than ever before. >> all right. we will talk more about that coming up. first, fbi director james comey was on capitol hill yesterday where a congressional source says he met with lawmakers to discuss the alleged wiretapping of trump tower. comey met with the leadership and top ranking members of the intelligence committees on the senate side, as well as in the house. but despite sources saying he pushed the justice department to make a public denial he was tight-lipped when approached by nbc's kasie hunt. >> are there any people wiretapped in trump tower?
mcconnell who know it's not true i have to evidence of it but do an investigation. i thought the best part of that interview yesterday, willie, we haven't played yet when they asked mitch mcconnell, is mexico going to pay for the fall? he goes, ah h, no. he is emerging early as one of our favorites in answering the questions. he is not going to be cow tow to some of the republicans. >> as you said on the first part of it the about comey visit. so much of this is theater. you say mitch mcconnell knows that the president of the united states did not wiretap trump tower. all of these congressmen and senators know it's an easy phone call to make and easy answer to get. now they are going through the
for maladi forities to wait for the official process to play out. we spend one week on this that last saturday morning tweeted this this is a waste of time for the country. we should be getting into the health care bill and focus on important things. the fact this has occupied so much time and space looking into an allegation that patently is untrue if you ask anybody who knows, is a waste of time for the country. >> mark halpern, though, i think it's an interesting conundrum for the media because i think we move on so much and it's, at some point we have to focus on that and get and answer. so many shiny pennies across the table here we could move on into oblivion. >> i found when i was in washington and joe found is the business community has really compartmentalized. they are just not focused on things like the president's twitter feed. they are focused on the legislative agenda and on the calendar. mitch mcconnell kind of some
days compartmentalizes and some days does not. i think make or break here is health care and you're seeing them adjust to the question of could they get the house this passed through the house quickly? they still think they can but is it a good idea? should they slow down for the sake of the long-term health and prospects of getting it through the senate? >> the question you've been putting on the table for weeks now, joe. >> yeah. nobody is going to convince me this is a smart move. they should start with tax reform, they should start with regulatory reform. mark halpern, i don't think we can underline enough to people in the media that haven't spoken to the business community or people who are marching in the streets or people who are supporting. if you want to get into donald trump's approval ratings, you're going to have to convince a business community that they should be concerned about the tweets, they should be concerned about the bizarre statements, they should be concerned about all of the things that a lot of
people in washington -- in the washington and new york bubble are concerned about, and a lot of americans across the country are concerned about. they are just not. in fact, it is shocking just how little they care about anything other than regulatory reform and tax reform. they have completely compartmentalized everything else. and i just say this. i am just reporting -- by the way, people that own the media companies that have people that are going around and we are all talking about how shocked and stunned we are at donald trump's lack of respect for constitutional values and presidential traditions. the business people that run the media companies are, obviously, thinking the same thing because i've yet to meet a business person that is not thrilled he is president of the united states. >> joe, we should say this extends not just to republican
business people. >> oh, no! >> but democrats in washington, in new york. a lot of the washington lobbying operations for major firms are run by democrats who are still in their jobs placed there during the obama years, and they are compartmentalized and their focus is on regulatory reform and tax reform and not just jockeying for favorable outcomes but enthusiastic for their companies. >> it's shocking, mika. last year, when we talked to people and ask who is supporting trump and no one would admit it and come whisper is to us later on. >> yeah. >> that's not how it is in 2017. they will tell you right up front, a lot of great things are about to happen. it's kind of surreal. is really is. >> it's not surprising that, you know, the business community with the prospects of tax reform, the prospects of an administration doesn't care very much about budget deficits and run an inflationary fiscal policy and regulatory reform and
tearing down obamacare. it doesn't surprise me that both the stock market and the business community are where they are. they are beyond the tweets. there are realities that are still playing out here especially on the russia front as the story, not the distractions but the actual, as progress occurs and as we learn more day-by-day, that is still a story that the business community may be a lagging indicator on that. if that story ends up progressing and doing fundamental political damage to the administration, the business community will eventually look up and say, okay, we have a problem here. for now their focus compartmentalized way and what affects our bottom line and for now good for them but the reality may catch up to that. >> the one caveat i would throw in, mika, i've talked to the head of a large multinational corporation yesterday and the head of a small american-based business who both said this talk of tariffs and protectionism scares the hell out of them and border tax is something they think would be devastating especially to a small company to
their bottom line because so much of what they have to make comes from out of the country and if there are tariffs those prices will be passed on to sxurmeds. that i consumers. >> there is a big picture and long-term consequences to some of the things that have happened in this administration so far. the vice president has weighed in on the revelation that former national security adviser michael flynn performed more than 500,000 dollars worth of lobbying for turkey before election day. flynn registered his work as a foreign agent in paper work filed with the justice department on tuesday, disclosing work performed from august through november 2016. here is press secretary sean spicer, followed by vice president mike pence, reacting to that news that they just learned, apparently, yesterday. >> was the president aware that lieutenant general michael flynn was acting as a foreign agent
when he appointed him to be the national security adviser? >> i don't believe that that was known. i would refer you to general flynn and to the department of justice in terms of the filings that have been made. >> had the president had known that, would he have appointed him? >> i don't know, john. that is a hypothetical i'm not prepared to ask. >> let me say hearing that story today was the first i heard of it and i fully support the decision the president trump made to ask for general flynn's resignation. >> you're disappointed by the story? >> the first i heard of it and i think it is -- it is an affirmation of the president's decision to ask general flynn to resign. >> joe, what is your take? for me, it seems deeply concerning that they had no clue about this since flynn and trump spent day and many flights and
nights together traveling on the campaign trail. this seems impossible. >> the fact that that man was a foreign agent of turkey, who has been hostile towards u.s. interests for a good part of the syrian civil war and was getting paid at the same time he was delivering a speech trashing hillary clinton at the republican national committee. >> saying lock her up. >> yeah. saying he was an agent of a foreign country of turkey throughout the inphases of the campaign, and even when donald trump got elected. it's shocking. i guess it shouldn't be shocking. this is the sort of thing that would not happen in past administrations, but there are -- apparently, everything goes ethically. by the way, i would like some clarification from the white
house at some point. did donald trump fire michael flynn or did michael flynn resign? because if michael flynn resigned, donald trump acted angry and said a good man was hung. right wing websites are still saying that -- >> now he fired him. >> john heilemann, right wing websites are now going out and talking about and right wing columnists are talking about how michael flynn was set up and he had no due process, and he did nothing wrong. well, did he resign or did donald trump fire him? and if donald trump fired him, if these right wing websites are right, then why is he such a weak president and why did he fold the things that aren't true? >> it is a confusing situation. donald trump and all of his public comments has basically acted as if michael flynn was persecuted. a good man driven from office by the hounds in the mass media and mike pence trying to put a nice
gloss and saying that vindicates the president's decision to fire him. this guy was not only acting as a foreign agent, literally as a foreign agent, not metaphor kalli while he was traveling with donald trump and close to donald trump as anybody. he was the person who became the national security adviser and somehow the president and others right now, at least the official explanation, they had no idea that he was acting as a foreign agent when he was appointed to be national security adviser. that is one of the most extraordinarily, if it's true, they did not know, one of the most extraordinary failures of vetting i've ever heard of. >> on there are so many unheard truths here it's hard to know what happened on any level with literally anything we have talked about since the show started today. >> the press needs to follow-up and need to keep asking the question. did they know? if they did know, that is bad as if they didn't know. because if they didn't know, it was one of the most unprofessional sloppy vetting processes that i've ever heard
of in washington getting paid $500,000 by turkey, a hostile -- gwyn again, the past four, five, six years, a hostile player as it pertains to syria. only becoming more helpful over the past year or two. i mean, isis used turkey to get into syria for the better part of the civil war. and this guiel is getting paid and is a foreign agent of turkey. >> so staggering. i can't process it. >> hold on onto it for a a second, halpern. they have made a joke of the entire transition process and this presidency has no credibility where we stand right now. i don't say that with hysteria. i say that with a deep sense of concern how we often cover this story because there are people
who believe trump from start to finish and he's not telling the truth. >> you're not shrill. you're just sad/mad, mika. >> i'm so sad. >> and know look closely. she is not crying. i know she is a woman. >> i may not make it to the commercial. >> maybe you think she is crying but no, she is just pissed. mark halpern, finish your thought. >> they have to do some soul searching over there because they are still vetting people for top jobs. this guy was at the center of the foreign policy apparatus during the campaign and in the government, and who brought his son, his controversial son with him, and they have got to do some soul searching and put out the facts and have to figure out how could such a thing has happened? i can think of a few examples from previous administrations of things in this direction but literally nothing like this that i've ever seen.
>> it's important to point out this is not something from his deep dark past. this lobbying was happening from august until november in the heat of the presidential campaign. >> i'm checking four boxes. >> he wrote an op-ed on this issue that appeared in "the washington post" on election day advocating for this position. this is a time when donald trump was going around railing as hillary clinton practicing pay to play in the state department and while michael flynn was yelling how hillary clinton should be locked up. the hypocrisy of it is staggering if they knew and if they didn't know. >> just stop! there will be some required reading for political junkies next year. mark and john will publish the third installment of their best "game change" series and will focus on donald trump's victory over hillary clinton, plus hbo is planning to turn the new book into a miniseries directed by executive producer jay roach. this will be great, guys. >> congratulations, fellows.
>> thank you very much. >> where do you begin? >> beau bridges is playing willie geist! the only casting decision that we are preparing to announce today. >> i had that written into the contract. it had to be bridges or you couldn have me in the movie. do we know what the book is called yet? >> untitled. >> we probably will change that because untitled is not a great title for a book. >> we have game change and double down and then tbd. >> we will see where the reporting goes. >> wow. still ahead on "morning joe," house speaker paul ryan rolls up his sleeves, literally, to get to work to sell the health care plan to sell to his colleagues. we will bring in the u.s. secretary of health and human services. dr. tom price will join us. the man responsible for whipping republican votes in the house, congress steve scalise and congressman tim ryan on the game plan and mcconnell answering the question in his own special way on the issue of who is paying for the wall. we will have that coming up for
you. first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. what gout? >> we have to watch madison again. two things things. how did she hang on to the door handle and not drop the phone that was in her other hand? this is in ohio. wind were gusting up to 60 miles per hour. here comes the gust and there goes madison. she got pinned against the siding of her house and yelling, mom! but look at her right hand. she has the phone in her hand. doesn't drop that and she holds on to the door handle! that is impressive. and she is fine and everyone is laughing about it now. scary moments there for mom as she turned around and saw her daughter acting like a kite. talk about the bad weather. the snow and cold and snowstorm for next week. the snow is breaking out much in state of pennsylvania is covered right now. connecticut, southern portions of new york. hudson val is covered and snow is heading toward new york city he and in an hour or two it will be sticking on the grass, not the roads. 40 million people impacted by
enthis storm because 10 million in new york city. here is the snow forecast. about 2 to 3 inches from philadelphia north wards and in the mountains and outside of new york city also. then the big story next week. during the weekend it's very cold in the east. then we are going to deal with the potential for the biggest snowstorm of the winter season it appears coming up the coast and a lot of atlantic moisture available and plenty cold enough for mostly a snow event away from the coastal areas and this should be a really impressive nor'easter maybe even slash blizzard type storm on tuesday. if you have travel plans, keep that in mind. could be a big storm as we go throughout the early portions of next week. more details on that in the days ahead. you're watching "morning joe." we will be right back. two become one.
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mexico would paid for. but, yesterday, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell said this about the wall. >> well, i'm in favor of border security. [ laughter ] there are some places along the border where that is probably not the best way to secure the border. but i think general kelly knows what he is doing. i think the president picked an outstanding person to be in charge of homeland security and my suspicion is we will take his advice. >> reporter: do you believe that mexico will pay for it? >> no. [ laughter ] >> in a word. no. >> mika, mitch mcconnell, we talked about it a couple of weeks ago where i interviewed him and mitch only says what mitch wants to say. he really doesn't care whether the person interviewing him likes it or not. it's one of the things you have to admire about the guy. he is just a very tough guy. >> i do. >> mitch mcconnell has decided,
over the past several weeks, he is not going to be a dupe for donald trump, and there are a lot of republicans, sadly that i know and respect, who have decided they will be a dupe for donald trump. and that they have got to live with that. but mitch mcconnell is just -- he is showing, i think, real toughness and a real character, you know, taking the president to task at twitter saying, you know what? there are some other people in washington that pretty good at this politics thing too. and i think that is a good example. i mean, listen. republicans need somebody to look up to and respect in this country that aren't okay with donald trump lying every day, aren't okay with fantastic promises, that aren't okay with him trashing the courts. mitch mcconnell is not okay with him tracker the courts and he said so. not okay with him trashing the
press. so we are seeing -- that is a good sign. >> i agree completely. >> and good leadership. good for mitch mcconnell. >> absolutely. mcconnell's comments come as a new cnn/orc poll shows that majority of americans disapprove of funding the wall. kelly said a 40% drop of illegal crossings along the border since the start of the year and quite frankly, those numbers have been going down for years. that is the whole sort of stupidity of the equation. what is that? >> willie, listen. willie, again, we have said this before. but look at how the trump -- i mean, donald trump is setting things up just the opposite way that you want to set things up. on the economy, on illegal immigration, and on crime. he is saying, you know, there is american carnage out there. unemployment is at 4%.
so what is it going to be when he runs for re-election and unemployment is at 6% and it's the worst crime in 48 years. no, it's really the lowest crime rate in about 48 years. had a little uptick last year. but historically low. we can expect the crime rate will probably stay the same or go up. so then what does he say if it's the worst in 47 years now what does he say two years from now? same thing with illegal immigration. it's been going down for years now what is he going to say? he has created these ises where these crises don't exist. what happe when we have a slight return tonormalcy? suddenly, he looks terrible. >> it begs the question do you need the wall, exactly, mr. trump? mr. president since you came into office. incident to take credit for those going down? i'm sure he will at some point. also, president obama was known as the deporter in chief and deported more people than anybody.
the numbers of people streaming across the border have already been going down so you set yourself up with a strawman of something that is actually not happening and paint yourself in noo a corner now and you have to push for 22 billion dollar wall that will include using eminent domain and all of these things nobody wants to have to use. what do you need the wall if everything is happening without wall? >> the two academic numbers i think they are most focused on where they think they can see improvement, one is the gdp number getting it closer to 3 than at 2. the other is job creation although we had month after month new jobs adding to the economy but the numbers weren't very big. they believe the job owning they are doing and as well as the policies they are pursuing can get those numbers higher by next year and maybe by the end of this year. >> i believe we are going to see an increase in economic pace and if listening to all of the business owners and the business community, listening to what
they are saying, they are expecting great things ahead. if you can get the gdp out of the 2. it's been anemic over the past eight years on average and we came out of the worst recession since the great depression of the 1930s. if that happens, mika, then, yes, that will be positive. but to believe that you're going to jump up to 5% growth at a consistent rate in a way that is not going to be destabilizing so the economy in the long run, that is a stretch. george w. bush had 5, 6% growth right before the collapse in 2007 and 2008. a lot of big promises and in a lot of areas where we are historically doing as well as we have done in quite sometime on unemployment, crime, and immigration crossings. >> go ahead. >> i'll say to me the growth would be great. more jobs would be great. in the end, the number that matters and especially to a lot of donald trump's constituents
really matters is real wage growth and so, you know, the question is how growth and tax reform are going to play together. if you have regressive tax reform in the end, if middle class and working class voters see a bigger number on the gdp, that is great. if they see more jobs being created that is also great but if their paycheck is not going up and there is still a question of standard of living. what is happening in my house? >> i have a feeling that is where the rubber meets the road. up next, selling something to people who are just not buying it. donnie deutsche will join us with his take on how the gop should brand their new piece of legislation. "morning joe" is back in a moment. it's an important question you ask,
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not support it. if we did he wouldn't pass the bill and wouldn't come up in a vote. >> professor paul ryan giving a seminar yesterday. full steam ahead for republicans pushing their obamacare repeal plan anding seemingly without tr party's conservative members. it advanced through house yesterday and lawmakers working through the night to mark it up. vice president mike pence takes the health care pitch to kentucky tomorrow home of senator rand paul. president trump met with house conservatives at the white house yesterday tweeting from his official white house account, quote, great legislative meeting underway. paul ryan the self-proclaimed showed up at a press briefing yesterday ready to talk business and no jacket and sleeves rolled up and power point presentation and a clicker. >> this is the closest we will ever get to repealing and replacing obamacare. the time is here.
the time is now. this is the moment. and this is the closest this will ever happen. it really comes down to a binary choice. we said in 2016 to our citizens to the american people and our constituents if you give us this chance, this opportunity, this is what we will do. now is our chance and our opportunity to do it. >> one of the bill's appoints chronicman followed that up tweeting, quote, binary choice. fal la on the senate side, warnings from republicans that the bill making its way through the house is unlikely to pass the upper chamber in its current form. >> well, i think any time you introduce legislation that is going to remake one-sixth of our economy and affect every american in a personal and intimate way. every other senator is well
aware where i and where many senators stand by the bright neck pace this is operation and the bill as written today would not pass the senate because it would not reduce prices for insurance and make care affordable and personalized. >> when you have a president of a different party, you with freelance all you want to. go at press conferences. you guys show up a ten-point plan to do this or that. but now we have an actual chance to change the country. we have somebody who will sign legislation that we pass. we need to get into a governing mode and start thinking about actually achieving something, rather than new kind of sparring. >> then there is this report from the brookings institution saying it examines tpects the c estimate 15 million people will lose covage uer the american health care act.
president trump tweeted this, quote, health care is coming along great and predicted it will end in, quote, a beautiful picture. joe, a lot to digest there. you have all of these different factions within the republican party but the democrats decide with specific complaints the ones we heard there and add in as well the senators from states that accepted medicaid expansion as part of obamacare and don't want to see that changed. >> paul ryan out there. again, you got the white house that is asking the question, why is it that paul ryan is getting incoming from all sides of his own members? they are wondering why this wasn't talked through, while the debating and the sparring didn't take place behind closed doors. certainly what i heard yesterday. but donnie deutsche, the ghost of same rayburn has to be scratching his noggin right now going, wait? you go out and you hold a press
conference to try to convince members of your own caucus to support what is the most important bill of the term? it was pretty remarkable moment, which i guess just indicates how deeply divided the house republicans are, but this is a first big thing they are doing after america has turned over the keys to all of washington, d.c. to him and it looks like the republican party. as i said yesterday, just not ready for prime time. this would be like a ceo going out and holding a press conference trying to bring members of her board along with her or -- it's -- i -- one of these things i've never anything like it before. on your most important piece of legislation, you do that behind closed doors. we would get beat up for weeks behind closed doors before leadership would go out with their big bills.
and then we were either all together or bite our tongue because we had that time to vent behind closed doors. not here. >> shoot first and ask questions later. interesting this is not called trump care and that is for a reason. no-win situation for health care. if i'm advising trump i say to him keep obamacare as long as you possibly can because as soon as that is gone you don't have nixon to kick around any more or obamacare to kick around any more. if you want to insure 20 million people that don't have insurance, somebody is going to pay for it. the premiums are going to get higher and so on and so forth. in this new plan, by the way, the very people donald trump ran elected him the lower income people in the rust belt are the ones hurt most from this. there is almost no win in this plan. if i'm donald trump, a part of me almost wants this can to get
kicked down the road. health care is a rubik cube and still called obamacare. >> donnie identified the biggest problem the question of coverage and the politics and substance taking coverage away from people who have it and not showing any desire through the enactment of the plan to get people covered. their strategy, though, in the short term is what ryan was saying. they thif you take the conservatives in the house saying i'm never voting for this thing and tell their constituents this is the vote to get rid of the affordable care act that those members in the end will vote for it. the other thing, john, that i was told yesterday was the third part of the system that reform that they talked about million malpractice reform and to be able to sell insurance over state lines is not part of the original bill. they think that that will appeal to a lot of conservatives and at least give them an excuse to say, if that can be enacted faster, we can get on board with this. >> right. here is the thing that i think
is the bigger conundrum for them and i get all that. if you think that -- ithis that there is all of this disarray in the house right now and the problem with the right flank that ryan is trying to solve. to me the larger question continues to be what happens if they solve that problem and get something passed through the house? that should be the relatively easier problem. once they get to the senate, you got a much bigger problem waiting for them down the line and it's hard for me to imagine, i continue to think that you can end up with something that will be good enough where ryan can make the sale he is trying to make and get that right flank on board that will have any chance of appealing to the relatively mainstream republicans who are going to determine the fate of this in the upper chamber. >> john heilemann, you just underlined the biggest problem here is the real problem at the end of the day is not going to be passing this through the house. >> right. >> the house is a dictatorship. i say that with all of the love and respect in the world for the house of representatives. it is a dictatorship.
it will be passed through the house of representatives one way or another. but the more conservative they make this in the house, the less likely it is to come close to passing and in the senate. some said the members of the house need to tell the senate here is the bill, take it or leave it. this is your best shot. i'm sorry. i was in the house. the house has never sent over a bill to the senate that the senate looks at as anything other than an unnecessary distraction that they are going to have to clean up and perfect. fn if that is their message to the senate the senate will throw it away in about five seconds. >> i'm not saying it will work but the three-prong strategy in the senate is figure out to get them and their states and like the obama administration did sweetheart deal and senators say to the house this is your one chance to get rid of the
affordable care act. if you vote no and it goes down we are stuck with obamacare. lastly they say you want to get to tax reform? you want tax reform? tax reform will be dead if we don't get health care done. >> joe, as you understand better than anyone at this table, think about the politics of this. if you're sitting in the house you cast a vote for this bill that potentially could take health care away from some of your constituents and then it dies in the senate, you've wasted the vote. you're on the record as taking voting for it and taking health care away from your constituents and to no effect whatsoever because you don't ultimately get into law. >> willie, that was called in my day, that is dtu'd. >> you remember that? >> i'm hearing in it washington right now. >> clinton pushed the house democrats very hard to pass a btu tax. it was a blood bath. and you had people throwing themselves on the barricade who lost their seats in congress because they supported the btu tax.
goes over to the senate and the democratic senate said, oh, no we are not going to do that. so they lost their seats. they lost their careers. all for something that didn't even end up in the final bill. >> right. >> and donnie deutsche, it's so funny. people get elected to congress and they think they will be there forever. people get into the white house, they think they are going to be there forever. a lot of democrats get elected in 2008 thought that they were part of this new wave, this new obama majority that would be there for 40 years. they got defeated two years later. wiped out by tea partiers. and you talked about the rust belt. that is important but appalachian. appalachian went for the republican party for the first time. there are millions of people in appalachian that are dependent on obamacare.
they are the people who are much of the swing voters that made donald trump president and it put republicans in charge of congress over the past decade as anybody. they are on obamacare. i've got members of my family on obamacare. they voted for trump. they voted for the republicans. they will not go out and vote in the off year. they won't vote for democrats but they will not vote the off-year election if you take their obamacare away. >> i was eating my lucky charms the other day and you brought up interesting point to congress. you can go back to your constituents who love trump and say, look. i love trump but i love you guys more. and that is why i did not vote for this bill because i'm not letting them take your health care away. if i advise any congressman in any of these areas it's a lose/lose to vote for this bill and win/win to vote against it. >> if you are a conservative, you can say, wait a second. this is what i'd say at my town
hall meeting. if somebody stood up and said, oh, you didn't vote to get rid of obamacare! i would say well, if you don't like socialism and you think obamacare is socialism, the only thing they gave us was socialism light so let me get this straight. you're not a socialist. you're a quasi socialist. i tell you what, if you want to run as a quasi socialist in northwest florida you go ahead and do that! i'm still a conservative and i'm not going to bend over and i'm not going to -- you can finish the sentence right there. just say, if ll-blown socialism is bad for america's medical system then quasi socialism is just as bad and they can vote me out if i want to. i still love america. and that will work. >> i do too. i love america. >> go ahead. >> there are a thousand different ways to say no in a town hall meeting and be more conservative than everybody in washington, d.c. and i think we may find some people doing that. >> donnie trying to do a
southern accent is about as icky as it gets. >> i love my country! >> stop! >> a little rap in there! a little biggie in there. >> sort of madison and 57th. >> i'm on the south side of there. >> the government ethics office isn't too happy how the white house handled kellyanne conway televised plug of ivanka trump's clothing line. we will tell but that ahead. plus, there are a lot of numbers in health care reform, including the 218 votes that needs to clear the house. majority whip steve scalise is in charge of making that happen and he joins us straight ahead on "morning joe."
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refusal to discipline kellyanne conway for her live television endorsement of ivanka trump's clothing line. >> is that bad? are you not supposed to do that? >> wait. >> are you not supposed to use your position in washington to promote clothes? >> no, you're really not. no. >> who could ever guess that? >> ivanka doesn't want you to do that. >> no, she doesn't. you're not doing anybody a favor. >> the ethics director fired off a letter to top members of the oversight committee because in washington, there is really nothing to do so this is important. anyhow. the watch dog said it was disturbed by the administration's, quote, extraordinary assertion that white house employees are exempt from some of those regulations. i will say it's time for her to probably pack it up. >> the watch dog, they also said that white house was undermining their authority. >> really? >> to just brush this aside.
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is not. this is not bipartisan. this is your right to do this and you're doing it. but let's not kid ourselves that there is some kind of bipartisan collaboration occurring here and not kid ourselves that this isn't a negotiation with a gun in one hand. second place is one party rule and moving this stuff through faster than lightning speed. this is the closest we will ever get to repealing and replacing obamacare. the time is here. the time is now. this is the moment and this is the closest this will ever happen. >> wow. eight years same issue but now the shoe is on the other foot. speaker pa ryan singing a very differentu th time around. canhe and president trump unite
their party on the issue that has swept them into power? this as one new report says at least 15 million people will lose their health coverage under the new gop plan. this morning, we are going to speak live with the u.s. secretary of health and human services dr. tom price. plus the man keeping count on the bill's votes house majority whip steve scalise and from the democrat side of the aisle, congressman tim ryan on what to make of all of this. welcome to "morning joe." it's friday. joe, has it not been the longest week? or are all of them long since this presidency began? >> all of them are long and they go to rapid pace. look at those clips from 2009 and then today, i'm struck by something that mark halpern has said all along, and, mark, we hear this president is a disrupter and that washington is going to change.
they are just doing the same exact thing democrats did in 2009. they are getting around in a huddle and they are saying this is our bill, we are drafting it. and we are get it only with republican votes. i understand that is what the democrats did back in 2009 as well. but all they do is set themselves up to have their bill replaced down the road. at what point does somebody in washington have the strength and the vision to say we are going to do what tip o'neill and ronald reagan did in 1983 and save social security and save it by locking arms. that would be radical and what the american people actually want to see and in our latest nbc news/"the wall street journal" poll 79% of americans say they expect their leaders in congress to compromise with the other side. 79%. 8 in 10. why can't washington do thi
whcan't y y -- here is the deal. obamacare is going down. democrats can say it's not. they know it is. obamacare is broken. the insurers are moving out. large segments of america it's a monopoly already. you only have one provider. why can't they get together and say health care is going break and let's lock arms and get in a room. it's not going to be history but it will make history and we will reform health care in a way that will save the system, and that last the next election. why can't they do that, mark? >> the biggest contrast years ago president obama spent months to try to get republicans to work with him on health care and it fell apart and this administration and this republican congress didn't even try. they are in danger of repeating
both political problem, but also substantive problem, because you can't actually reform health care in a sensible way if it's done in a partisan way. ryan tried to fix this yesterday. a lot of americans look at and say it's not consistent with what america values are in terms of a health care system. i think they are in danger of making the same mistake. what are they doing that americans look at it and say, yeah, that is consistent how we want our health care to work. >> joe, let me ask you a question and maybe this is the answer. once again, the obamacare gave 20 million people who didn't have insurance, insurance. it gave people are preexisting conditions with insurance and people to have insurance up to 26 years under their parents' insurance. i don't know how you continue to do that as a businessman and any way, shape or form make it a for effective health plan. a reason rates went up and people had less choice. i don't know if this is a
democrat or republican problem. i just think this is an unsolvable problem iwe as a nation, want to move one sp closer to a benevolent society and give insurance to 20 million people who don't have it. >> it's an unsofable probllvablf you don't get together and create a system that both sides have bought in on, and when you start to see the system breaking apart, both sides are invested in coming together and instead of giving speeches, coming together and saying, we need to fix that. we are about to lose an insurer. obviously, we have waited this the wrong way. let's get back together and get back into committee. put our heads together. work through it and fix the system. no. this system, as set up is not sustainable and not going to be sustainable for a thousand reasons. even democrats know that. the senator that was architect of it said it's not working any more. this republican plan will not
work either. they need to get together and work together. i know that sounds like a fantasy but that is actually the way that hamilton and madison's government was supposed to work. hey mika. this is interesting. i say this to you for you and for the -- i think approximately 47 million. willie, is it 47 million catholics who watch us across the globe? >> the most recent numbers last fiscal year, yes. >> last quarter! >> 47 million catholics that watch us. we say hi to all of you especially in africa. we know we are huge there. breaking news. this is fascinating as a guy who went to a catholic high school and admires the church. pope francis you just announce, mika, we will get more breaking news on this, that is now considering allowing priests to marry and in so doing, actually
strengthen the ranks of the priests because it's been dwindling for sometime and this is something that, obviously, needs to happen for a thousand reasons. if you actually had priests that were married and priests that had children, you would have priests that would be able to relate to the main problems that their parishioners faced. this is pretty darn dramatic. >> that is extremely dramatic and a lot more to that story. i can't imagine what the reaction to that at the vatican is. fascinating. >> i'm glad they are taking a lead from the tribe. i've always said my team is always just a quarter of a step ahead. >> honestly. >> i know 27 million jews watching this show. >> more breaking news. the pope watches our show. he says he has now changed his mind since listening to donnie. mika, let's go on to the news. >> i'm expecting him to talk about the role of women in church and birth control. okay.
joining the conversation we have white house correspondent for the associated press, julie pace along with donnie and halpern and heilemann is here too. fbi doctor james come yncy onapitol hill yesterday a source said he met with lawmakers to discuss the alleged wiretapping at trump tower and what he spent his day doing yesterday, the head of the fbi. he met with ranking members on the senate side as well as in the house. but despite sources saying he pushed the justice department to make a public denial, he was tight-lipped when approached by nbc's kasie hunt. >> are there any people wiretapped in trump tower? >> before his meeting with director comey, republican senate majority leader mitch mcconnell again put distance between himself and president
trump's wild accusation against former president barack obama. >> reporter: do you believe that barack obama wiretapped trump tower. >> there's no evidence of that. i've not heard of it before, but that is an appropriate subject for the senate intelligence committee to take a look at, and they are looking at whatever the russians were doing during the election. >> julie pace, i'm wondering among the white house press corps, the conversation between reporters at this point, are you all focused on this question still? and what are the answers that you're getting from the white house about this allegation, besides the tweet speaks for itself, which is backhanded way of backing it up when it appears to be a lie from the president of the united states, calling his predecessor a felon. >> this is amazing this is
something we are talking about but we have to because the president of the united states raised it and it's such an aoive allegation against his predecessor. in the white house the main answer that you get is what we heard from sean spicer at the briefing. the tweet speaks for itself. i talk to people on background or private conversations there, this is an uncomfortable topic for them. >> when you're sitting in there are you incredulous? i'm reading your faces and i see reporters laughing. i see reporters trying to keep themselves from laughing. i see reporters looking at sean spicer like he is from mars. they just can't believe what they are talking about. and i'd like you to sort of bring to the forefront how ridiculous this feels and how sad this is for not only your jobs, but for the credibility of the presidency and his press person. >> like i said it's amazing we
have talk about this but we have to because it was raised by the president and not like it was raised by a low level official or on capitol hill. it was raised by the president of the united states. if he is going to put this out here, it's our job to find and answer to get to the bottom of what he is talking about, even know one that we have talked to in the white house or outside of the white house has any evidence to back that up. and the white house is now puttg the burden of making that clear on congress and basically punting the responsibility for clarifying what the president was saying and why he chose to say that. >> i think it's also important to point out over the last week, a lot of people have said he is creating a distraction. his tweets are distraction and focus on what is important. this is not a distraction. this has focused even more clearly the light on to russia and questions now that because of what he tweeted on saturday morning, we have got more investigations. you have jim comey going to the hill and looking into there was a wiretap and were they wiretapping some russian entity because they believed there was
a relationship between the trump campaign and the russian government or someone in wrurus? this is not a distraction. the president of the united states made this accusation about his predecessor and worthy of an investigation. we all believe and what we have heard from people we talked to there was no wiretap. in that sense it's a goose chase and waste of time but if he makes that allegation you have to look into it. >> how can you believe any word he gives if this distraction is a destructive lie? >> around the clock news last week was jeff sessions because he had been caught in either two lies or two -- >> he defamed president obama to distract from that? >> look. that story went away. that was a very important story. my other concern is once it's proven, if it's ever proven, that we know this doesn't happen, does the president just go oops? is there any repercussion or any accountability? like, this is what the ridiculous thing. we all know it and all of our
hair goes on fire. but then what happens? what is the accountability? what the is cost of doing business for this man when he does such a ridiculously absurd atrocious thing? what is the cost of that? >> joe? >> we have been sitting around and saying this every morning since the president got sworn in and was lying about crowd ses and lying about several other thin things, but what i'm hearing and what other reporters are hearing and certainly what david ignatius said earlier on our show this week, the business community doesn't care. they say that is donald trump. as long as we get our tax cuts and regulatory relief, we are fine. and david ignatius said foreign leaders have now sort of just balanced it in. they figured it in. china went from being very nervous about donald trump to starting to figure out, well, that is just kind of what he do
does. we are going to look at his actions rather than any words rather than his tweets. >> sounds like they don't take him seriously saying that is the way he is, he lies. >> i think what they are thinking is what republican leaders are thinking on the hill. we are going to get what we want out of this guy. he is going to be distracted by all of these other things and while he is distracted, we are going to figure out how to work with him in a way that is going to benefit us. i'm not -- listen. i'm not justifying any of this. i am with everyone on this set, as we have been since he has been elected president and since he has been tweeting these outrageously false tweets and insulting the germans and french and lying about obama and calling the press enemies of the people and attacking federal judges. it is all shocking. and i think for me right now, what is today? on march the 10th, 2017, the most shocking thing to me is that nobody, nobody in certain
communities seems to give a damn that this man lies and whenever he feels like lying, and has never held to account. i do wonder what parents across america are saying to their children. i'm not being melodramatic here. i had boys in middle school when bill clinton was caught doing -- >> i know where you're going. >> what he did with monica lewinsky and i can tell you that changed the behavior of middle schoolers and high schoolers. how do i snow? we had meetings at a day school in middle school about things that girls started inexplicably were doing. if bill clinton is shocked by the poor example he set in the white house, don't think that
chronic lying coming from the president of the united states is not impacting your children every day. then you're just a fool. and you haven't raised children and you haven't been through what mika and i went through and what every other parent went through with our children in the age of bill clinton. that example matters. the example the president matters so get your damn tax cuts, okay? get your damn regulatory ref, but while you're getting that, talk to your children and let them know that it is not right to denigrate america for the benefit of vladimir putin. it is not right to lie when telling the truth would be easier. it is not right to abuse absolutely everyone who doesn't agree with you. and if you don't want to do that, don't do that but you're the one that is going to be dealing with your kid the rest of your life. >> joe, that is one of the most important things that has been said in a long time.
he is the behavior in chief. that is the tragic thing in all of this. i deal with 2 with my children. the president is our brand -- he is the logo for our country. great. we have tax cuts, great. it's disgusting. and it's embarrassing. and it angers me, without getting too preachy, as an american. >> the moral code part of this is horrible and we have just spoken to it. i will just say that what i think we are seeing across the board here potentially threatening to our global security. >> i agree with you. >> on every level. and i urge people to read and really make decisions about exactly what they are seeing. i understand why so many people voted for him. i understand where you were coming from. i understand why you liked him. but this man is lying to you. >> he is dangerous. >> it's very important. >> the thing is we sound like
republicans from 1998 and 1999. actually, before that. mark halpern, i know you were reporting on bill clinton back in the '90s and you remember this. i had so many democrats laugh about the fact that bill clinton lied and got away with lies like that. it would be like that guy is a dog. he can lie about everything and get away with it. i've never seen anything like that. "saturday night live" even had a skit after impeachment. bill clinton laughing saying i'm going to go out and smoke and basically smoke pot in the middle of town square and nobody is going to do anything about it. and i guess maybe some of trump's supporters are now doing the same thing. but this does -- is early ric reminiscent. about the lies his administration told about the
transfer of missile technology and a thousand smaller things. >> jamaica carville and paul begala were the front lines of defending president clinton throughout all of this would say he is a good man who has done a bad thing. i think that is the mindset at a lot of the trump supporters look at some of the things he has done and including white house officials saying he hadn't done them and said them. >> even that wasn't true. bill clinton lied. his white house lied repeatedly as david said he is an unusual good lier. and democrats accepted that because while he was lying, the democratic party was winning and republicans were losing. well, the shoe is on the other foot now. i'm just wondering where all of those outraged republicans were that were rightly outraged in the 1990s, where are they today with donald trump? he is lying. are you going to let him get away with that because you're getting tax cu.
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with health care costs driving up that deficit, it's no wonder that clinton today chose his closest most influential adviser to tackle health care reform. >> president clinton announced formation of his health care task force and hillary clinton sat front and center because the president put her in charge. >> wow. five and a half days into the clinton presidency saw the dawn of hillary care. joining us now on day 49, 49 of the trump presidency, nbc news special correspondent tom brokaw. good to have you on board. joe, start things off. tom is going to be talking about health care and hillary care and that just brings us back, doesn't it? >> it really does. i need to go to john heilemann. john, misquoted david given.
what was the quote? >> there are many quotes about bill clinton being a liar. the david given quote to maureen dowd said everyone lies in politic but the clontz lintons easily that it's troubling. the one who said about the quote that president clinton being a good liar was bill carey. >> from mika, democrats. it still applies at least there were some democrats that would say that about bill clinton. we await republicans saying that about donald trump. >> thank you. thank you. thank you, both of you. tom brokaw, health care. go. >> i've been sitting at home watching a lot recently al day long on msnbc and all of the other outlets about this debate and it is so striking to me because it reminds me of what went on during the clinton administration when hillary clinton went behind closed doors and came up with a schematic to change health care in america
and dropped it on the country and got killed, frankly, by it. what is so striking to me about the republican plan is for eight years, they have been saying obamacare just doesn't work. but, suddenly, they have a plan that they have could belbbled t in a hurry and don't have their troops in line. that is striking to me. i've been talking with the people who met with president trump behind closed doors. these are major health care executives and others. they were quite surprised he was not very familiar at all with the cost structure, with the payment programs that they go through, how medicare is used. i think we need to have a lot more public discussion before this gets jammed through. it doesn't mean that obamacare is perfect by any means. i think that it works for the people from the bottom up, but after that, there are a lot of loose ends that need to be cleaned up. but the final thing is for a of the tlk about getting the budget back in balance, they are going to jam this through before the cbo comes out and says what
is the deficit? >> yeah. >> i think we have been struck, tom, by exactly what you said. not that there hasn't been more across the aisle work performed on this, but that the troops internally are so divided on it. it's as though it were sprung on them, members of congress, senators, and they said whoa. this is not referabsembling any we would vote for. if you're rob portman in ohio you like the medicaid expansion and don't want it pulled back in two years. there are all of these these that should have been worked out behind closed doors before this rollout that we saw. >> rand paul is on television more these days than any of us. and he is going after it one chapter and verse on every program that he can get himself on to. that is within their own party. i do think the republicans made a mistake and should have learned a lesson from the obama chain is that there had to be some cross aisle consultation going on. the democrats are now saying, we
are opposed to all of this. i don't think that is a good idea either, by the way. >> this is where having a president with little historical perspective would really help. perhaps somebody who might have been watching what has been going on over the past 12 years closely with health care. so you could then avoid some of these obvious, julie pace, potholes. i mean, i totally cannd why president trump might be not have all of the intricacies down. president obama struggled with this and hard thing to accomplish in recent memory and it wasn't accomplished well and i think everybody agrees with that and now they are doing it all over again with in a rush with a president not connected? >> one of the ironies of this whole discussion you could see a scenario in which donald trump is uniquely positioned to oversee a bipartisan debate on health care because he is not an deeply tied to the republican positions on this. he could actually put people in a room and probably personally
find things on both sides that he likes. but right now there is not a lot of appetite within the republican party to do that and he is not stepping forward to that is the kind of process he wants it lead. >> wl, look. here is the big question to me. i think we all, if you look back at the experience not just of the health care reform last time but the history going back 40 years. if you're going to do big major social legislation that affects millions of people, a sixth of the economy, if it's going to be stable and work you have to have bipartisan support. one said you have to get 75 senators or never hold up over time. here is the question from my point of view i hear everybody talking about this. how it should be bipartisan. i just don't know any democrats, given everything they went through the last eight years in donald trump or any republican said we want to repeal the affordable care act now will you come along and help us? i don't know any democrats that would be open to that conversation. their attitude, you know what? you guys wouldn't help us eight
years ago or six years ago. we are not going to help you now. >> john, i get that. what i'm also saying is i think the republicans should have learned from obama eight years ago and said, look, we got to find a way that we get some people across the aisle come in and say we know it's working from the ground up. should we leave that alone? what are your thoughts about doing this? the other thing we are all talking about this but what we need on these tables frankly are the heads of cleveland clinic, the mayo clinic, the regional health care systems are ever more sophisticated these case dai days. a big movement in health care being rewarded for value and results going on on and that is not built into this system. it's an accounting system. >> what are the costs of a divided government? what are the costs of hyperpartisanship the past 30 years? the costs are these. you send out a tweet. you accuse the former president of the united states of being a
convicted felon. so now you've gone out of your way to make an enemy of a man who was extraordinarily gracious during the transition. a man you could actuallyring in as obamacare collapses under its own weight. it is collapsing under its own weight. i think it was max balkus said it has to be chajnged or it wil die. you could have republican president donald trump with democratic president barack obama saying we disagree on how this moves forward but the one thing we agree on is americans all need affordable health care. they just can't do it. they can't do it. >> it's the most serious and complex issue that faces this country right now. it's still 18% of our economy. most people, including people at this table, get their health care through corporate plans of
one kind or another. an enormous population out there that is terrified, my guess, at what is going on. can they count on this the next year how they will get the coverage? when i got sick i knew i had a golden plan because it was corporate but i began to think about people who got korns cancer in the middle of america and had a minimal health care plan and what do they do and thinking right now? joe, when you go around the country the first thing you hear, whatever politics no matter who they are for, people say why can't they talk together and why can't we get people in washington to have conversations about these common issues? there is a longing out there. even though they have voted for one side or the other that once they get to washington to have some cross-aisle dialogue. if you have cross-aisle dialogue in this environment, you get killed by your own party. what are you doing talking to that republican? what are you doing talking to that democrat? we have absolutely, at this
point, we have calcified the system. it's broken up into all of these different parts, rigid and untenable as i think to go forward in this country. >> so tom brokaw, to underline what you just said. when you say that or i say that, there may be some people in the political class who are cynics saying, ah, they live in an ivory tower and have no idea what it's like down there. the latest nbc news/"the wall street journal" poll has two remarkable statistics. one that 74% of americans believe washington is more divided than ever before. but 79% of americans tell nbc news/"the wall street journal" pollsters they expect their elected leaders to compromise in washington, d.c. and work with the other side, proving, once again, winston churchill is right, tom, that americans will
always do the right thing in the end after exhausting all other possibilities. let's hope, tom, that our leaders listen to the people and actually do that. >> ronald reagan famously said inside the white house to jim baker, jim, if i get 7 of what i want, i'm going be happy with that and i'll find a wayo create a compromise. it was one of the most successful eight years that any president had ever had in dealing with congress. even though he had to stand up against jack kemp about what they are going to do about taxes when they needed to increase them. he was willing to do that based, partly, on his experience of being governor of california for eight years against a very sophisticated democratic opposition in that state. and he learned. he had a kind of internship, if you will, about what happens when you get to washington. >> it does help to have some experience governing. tom brokaw, thank you so much. still ahead, when a country
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pipeline. state officials say the former oil chief made the decision back in february. it's unclear exactly why he is recusing himself but the announcement follows a demand from green peace this week for tillerson to step aside from the project and then tillerson is being left out even where he is apparently not asking to be left out. mexico's top diplomat was in washington yesterday discussing contentious immigration and border issues at the white house with senior adviser jared kushner and gary cohn and general h.r. mcmaster. the meetings skipped the normal channels leaving the state department and secretary of state rex tillerson in the dark.
david ignatius writes in "the washington post" this morning, that leaves more power to trp's closest aides, people like steve bannon and maybe americans might want to ask whether they feel more comfortable with steve bannon running u.s. foreign policy or rex tillerson. this is what david ignatius writes. tillerson is off to an agonizingly slow start as secretary of state. that matters because if tillerson doesn't develop a stronger voice, the control of foreign policy is likely to move increasingly towards stephen k. bannon. a truly frightening prospect and, of course, not exactly what the american people expected when donald trump selected rex tillerson as secretary of state. how can a guy who ran exxonmobil so efficiently for so many years, allow himself to be elbowed out smacas much as he h
been elbowed out the past several weeks? >> every administration you see this dynamic. cabinet secretaries in the modern era have to fight to have the kind of influence that they think they are going to have when they sign on, because every function of every cabinet secretary is replicated in the white house and when you've got a president like this one who is the center of activity and center of all decision making it's going to naturally move towards the white house unless the cabinet secretary really asserts him or herself. tillerson is new to government. he doesn't have any deputies as you had. he in a very tough fight to try to be part of the foreign policy discussion which not just bannon but jared kushner, gary kohn in the white house and that is a huge part of american foreign policy. tillerson has a fight on his hand as every cabinet secretary does but the danger for him if he stays marginalized much longer harder to recover because people start filling the vacuum. >> he is new to government and
learning as he goes. according to a report i have he is talking to feormer secretary of state and learning how unusual he is being treated. >> i was involved in planning. were you sent here with this leader? of course, i was. he is learning and learning how unusual his role. >> he is being treated by a hood ornament. >> he is having problem filling vacancies in the state department. the trump administration has tapped hundreds of officials for position across government, positions that do not require senate confirmation. so they are right in. they are filled by simple appointments by the president. pro publica was able to compile a list of more than 400 official named for these jobs and found some interesting results. seve breitbart contributors and several noted conspiracy theory peddlers. for instance, curtis ellis. is this bad, joe in curtis
ellis, a specialist to the secretary at the labor department was a columnist at world net daily who once wrote a column with the headline "the radical left ethnic cleansing of america." they also found 36 lobbyists on their list. many of them who lobbied in the same areas by the. is that bad, joe, do you think? >> it's only bad if you want america to be run well. >> right. >> if you only care about the future of this country. if you only believe that public service is actually a noble thing to do. >> right. >> no. it's distressing. in past administrations, john heilemann, you have had white houses that have been working hard to fill positions.
i know for barack obama eight years ago, the treasury was an especially difficult cabinet or agency to fill up. in this case, this seems to be deliberate. they are deliberately telling rex tillerson, you can't have the number two you want, and we are not going to fill all of these spaces because it gives us more power in the white house. >> well, i believe it's the case now that the top three civil servants at the state department, the people with the longest running experience there had served democrat and republican administrations going back 30 years, all of them have been dismissed. they are systematically stripping foggy bottom of its bipartisannd historical institutional memory and there is no other way to explain that, other than that it's intentional and this is part of steve bannon's effort to, as he says, you know, destroy the administrative state. this is the foreign policy
aspect of that that they are actually just kind of trying to dismantle what has been the traditional diplomatic foreign policy ballast of how the government works. >> yeah. i -- just got a great e-mail from my friend joanna coles and she points out that the president's outbursts and lashing out even against the former president and some of the lies that just come out of his mouth on twitter, kids go to the principal's office for that. kids get in trouble. it's wrong. that's all. joining us from capitol hill now democratic congressman tim ryan of ohio. i didn't want to bring you into that, tim. thank you for being on the show. >> thanks for having me. >> how is it looking from your perspective? are democrats working on developing their base and getting ready for the future? or fighting out health care? or both? >> well, hopefully, both. health care is a real opportunity for us to show that trump has really gone back on so many promises that he made during the campaign.
i think this particular health care bill will go down as one of the great flip-flops in political history right up there with read my lips, no new taxes. the promises that president trump made in places like ohio about healer and jobs and then turns around and is going to actively support this health care bill is ridiculous. the head of the ohio hospital association just said this is going to cost us about a million people who will lose their health care and about 25% of hospitals in ohio will close. that is in rural areas that trump was in there campaigning and making a lot of promises. so this is a platform for us to say, this is wrong and why we are better. >> congressman, it's willie geist. just more generally in youngstown and the areas of people you talk to there in ohio. people who voted for donald trump, how do they feel about him 50 days? in health care is part of it. they will be upset if they lose their health care but are they still with him generally? >> i think as of the last few
days, i think there was a wait and see approach for a lot of people that did vote for him. obviously, didn't like his behavior. they don't like the tweeting and don't like the chaos and want him to get focused. don't like . they don't like the chaos. they want him to get focused. with the health care, things are going to turn. the facts are the facts. the fact that a million people in ohio will lose their health care because of this, those 50-year-old men or women are going to get so hammered by this health care bill, it's not funny. there were, you know, obamacare wasn't perfect. we could fix a lot of things in there and we should, but if you are 50 years old in ohio, getting health care, they used to be able to only charge you 3-1 to everyone else in the plan. now, they are going to be able to charge you five times more than the person in the plan. the subsidies aren't going to connect. these people are going to get hammered. that's going to hit the ground as this health care debate happens and he's tweeting. they are going to say, wait,
where is the guy th is supposed to be advocatingor us. >> what do you think the motives are of the architects of the health care plan? >> keep a political promise they never should have made. they used this obamacare issue for seven or eight years, banging on the president, banging on democrats, getting people riled up. now, they have to hurry up and make a commitment to a political promise. that's driving the policy here. >> you don't think they think their plan would be better for america than the current law? >> sounds like even republicans don't think that is the case. i mean, there's no way this makes sense, mark. how are you -- their main criticism was, the premiums are too high under obamacare. basically, what they are doing now is they are taking out healthy people that are in the risk pool. they are going to cover people who are older and sicker, which means premiums and deductibles
are going to go way up. this didn't solve the criticism they kept presenting to the american people. this is a political deal and we need to sit down and we need to stop what's happening now and sit down and fix the things that need to get fixed. >> congressman, i want to change topics and talk about russia and the administration. you were in a position like a lot of democrats you would like jeff sessions to resign. that's not unusual among democrats and a full 9/11-style commission to investigate the connections with trump campaign and russia. what would it take for those two things to happen? >> well, it would take a lot of republicans who think this is a major attack on some fundmental institutions in our democracy, our intelligence community, our voting rights, our voting
system. republicans, ultimately, at the end of the day have to step up. democrats don't have any power now. that's the problem. >> do you see size to that? >> quite frankly, i don't, i don't. it's disappointing. you would hope some issues rise above democrat and republican. i would hope vladimir putin trying to influence an election in the united states, i would hope a bunch of campaign people from one of the political parties having all these conversations with russian diplomats would rise above this garbage that's the traditional democrat/republican food fight we have here. if that doesn't -- i don't, quite frankly know what will. >> donny has a question. donny deutsche. >> you are one of the emerging faces of the democratic party. i'm a brand guy. there's a lot written about the democratic party losing its way. how would you define the democratic party now. if i say democrats stand for,
"x," what is your brand right now? >> provide opportunity to working class people, black, white, brown, gay, straight. if you are a working class person, if you take a shower after work, the democratic party is the party for you. whether that means you need child care, whether it means you want health care in your later years through the medicare program. we also have to put people back to work, donny. that means rebuilding the country. yes, part of it is roads and bridges. it's also, i want the democratic party to be the party of the future. that means laying down broad band lines all over the country and hiring that steel worker or coal miner to lay fiber. you hear stories about people up in new york laying google fiber making 55 bucks an hour. that's a pretty good job. the democrats should be pushing laying the fiber lines and putting people back to work. a smart grid. making sure the grids are secure and up to date and move into a renewable energy economy.
there's so much opportunity in the world now. democrats clearly aren't push thag as much as i would like us to. i think republicans are setting us backwards. we need to be the party of getting working class people back to work. >> sounlds like the guy running 1600 pennsylvania avenue right now. >> that's the frustration. he co-opted a democratic message. part is the democrats fault. i'm more mad at the democrats than the republicans because we dropped the ball on this stuff. we let our people down. we better get on the stick and this health care is an opportunity to reframe it. we have to have a positive plan. it can't just be anti-trump. yeah, we gotta stop this health care bill. what are we going to do for working class people? how are we going to get wages up and secure the country and provide opportunity for young people. democrats need to lay that out in a positive way because there's so many exciting things happening out in the world. the democrats haven't wrapped our arms around this thing and
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>> we should have more time to digest it. >> history has a funny way of doin it. >> what a difference eight years make. republicans sounding like dims. this time, they are battling themselves. can president trump and speaker ryan bring their own party on board? one report says at least 15 million people, joe, will lose their health care coverage under the new gop plan. this morning, we are going speak live with the u.s. secretary of health and human services, dr. tom price. good morning, everyone. it's friday. friday, march 10th. we have senior political analyst, mark halperin, john heilemann. joe, you are in washington for meetings, but couldn't make it back up because of the weather. speaking of weather, did you see this little girl? we are going to explain it to you. >> oh!
oh! oh! >> we'll talk about the incredible winds and rough country across the country. she's okay. before we dive into news, joe, what is your take in washington? you had meetings yesterday on where things stand across the board. >> two big take aways. one, everybody is questioning why the house did what they did. why they handled health care the way they did. the senators, tom cotton is right, so many senators believing they made a mistake repeating the akes of the democrats in 2009, rushing into this. the concerns, also being whispered in the white house really surprised that house gop team didn't have everybody together. they didn't have the freedom caucus on board. they were blindsided by the way they were. a lot of surprise on that
respect. on another, sort of thing we keep talking about, there's absolutely no evidence as john said in his column and as i'm seeing down here, anybody that supported donald trump day of his election does not support him today. in fact, people in the business community are even more excited about what they believe is going to be sort of financial regulatory tax relief they have needed for quite some time. you know, mika, over the past year and a half, you and i ran across a lot of people that were afraid to admit it. they are not afraid to admit it now. they are more in donald trump's camp, business community, than before. >> fbi director, james comey was on capitol hill where a congressional source says he met with lawmakers to discuss the alleged wiretapping of trump tower. comey met with leadership and top members on the senate side
as well as in the house. despite sources saying he pushed the justice department to make a public denial, he was tight lipped when approached by nbc's casey hunt. >> were there wiretaps in trump tower? before his meeting with director comey, mitch mcconnell, again, put distance between himself and president trump's allegations against obama. >> do you believe that barack obama wiretapped trump tower? >> there's no evidence of that. i've not heard of it before. but, that's an appropriate subject for the intelligence committee to look at. they are looking at whatever the russians were doing during the election. >> joe, does there need to be a complete investigation, the senate intelligence committee looking into it? >> it's what the white house
says they want to do. it allows people like mitch mcconnell who knows it's not true, i have no evidence, but we'll do the congressional investigation. i thought, actually, willie geist, the best part when they asked mcconnell, is mexico going to be for the wall, he says, ah, no. i tell you, mitch mcconnell is emerging early as one of our favorites in his answering of the questioning. he is a guy that is not going to kowtow to the president of the united states and go down those rabbit holes as much as some people in the house are willing to do. as you said, the first part of the the comey visit, so much of this is theater. the president of the united states did not wiretap trump tower. the congressmen being asked know. it's an easy phone call to make, an easy answer to get. they are going to go through the
formalities to get an official answer. last saturday donald trump tweeted this. it was a waste of time for the country. we should be focused on important things, the health care bill, which we have done. the fact is, it is a waste of time. >> mark halperin, i think it's an interesting conundrum for the media. i think we move on so much. at some point we have to focus on one question and get that answer. there's so many shiny pennies across the board here, we could move on to oblivion. >>here are different levels of compartmentalization. we found the business community come partment lized. they are not focused on the twitter feed, it is the
legislative agenda and the calendar. mitch mcconnell sometimes compartmentalizes and sometimes not. they are trying to adjust to the question could they get this passed? they think they can. is it a good idea? should they slow down for the sake of the long term health and prospect of getting it through the senate. >> the question you have been putting on the table for weeks now, joe. >> nobody is going to convince me this is the smart move. start with tax reform and regulatory reform. mark halperin, i don't think we can underline enough to people in the media that haven't spoken to the business community or people marching the streets or people supporting. if you want to get donald trump's approval ratings, you have to convince the business community they should be concerned about the tweets. they should be concerned about
the bizarre statements. they should be concerned about all the things that a lot of people in washington, in the washington and new york bubble are concerned about. a lot of americans across the country are concerned. they are just not. in fact, it is shocking just how little they care about anything other than regulatory reform and tax reform. they have completely compartmentalized everything else. i just say this, i am reporting, by the way, people that own the media companies that have people that are going around and all talking about how shocked and stunned we are at donald trump's lack of respect for constitutional values and presidential traditions. the business people that run the media companies are obviously thinking the same thing. i have yet to meet a business person that's not thrilled he's
president of the united states. >> this extends not just to republican business people. >> oh, no! >> democrats in washington and new york. firms are run by democrats still in their jobs during the obama years. they are compartmentalized. not just jockeying for favorable outcomes, but enthusiastic about it. >> it's shocking. last year, when we talk to people and ask who is supporting trump and nobody would admit it. then they come whisper it to us later on. >> yeah. >> that's not how it is in 2017. they will tell you right up front. a lot of great things are about to happen. it's kind of surreal. it really is. >> it's not surprising that, you know, the business community with the prospects of tax reform, the prospects an administration doesn't care about the budget deficits and going to run a fiscal policy.
regulatory reform, tearing down obamacare. doesn't surprise me the stock market and the business community are where they are. again, they are beyond the twooets. there are realities playing out here especially on the russia front where, not the distractions, but the actual, as progress occurs and we learn more day by day, that's still a story that the business community may be a lagging indicator on that. as that progresses and does political damage to the administration, the business community will look up and say we have a problem here. for you, the focus is what affects our bottom line. that's all good for them. the reality may catch up to that. the one kav yacht i throw in is i talk to the head of a large corporation yesterday and the head of a small american based business who both said this talk of taf riffs and protectionism
scares them. they think the border is devastating to their bottom line. so much of what they have to make comes from out of the country. if it is implements or tariffs, it is passed on. i'm hearing the same thing from the business community. >> there's a big picture and long-term consequences to some of the thing that is happened in this administration so far. the vice president has waeighed in on it. flynn performs a half million dollars worth of lobbying for turkey before election day. he registered his work as a foreign agent in paperwork filed with the justice department on tuesday, disclosing work performs from august to november, 2016. here is press secretary sean spicer followed by vice president mike pence reacting to the news they just learned yesterday. >> was the president aware that
lieutenant general michael flynn was acting as a foreign agent when he appointed him to be the national security adviser? >> i don't believe that was known. i would refer you to general flynn and the department of justice in terms of the filings that had been made. >> had the president known that, would he have known him? >> i don't know, that's a hypothetical, i'm not prepared to answer. >> hearing that story today was the first i heard of it. i fully support the decision president trump made to ask for general flynn's resignation. >> disappointed by the story? >> first i heard of it and i think it is an affirmation of the president's decision to ask general flynn to resign. >> joe, what is your take? for me, it seems deeply concerning that they had no clue about this since flynn and trump spent day and many flights and
nights together traveling on the campaign trail. this seems impossible. >> the fact that that man was a foreign agent of turkey, who has been hostile toward u.s. interests for a good part of the syrian civil war, and was getting paid at the same time he was delivering a speech trashing hillary clinton at the republican national convention. >> saying lock her up. >> he was an agent of foreign country, of turkey throughout the in phases of the campaign and when donald trump got elected, it's shocking. i guess it shouldn't be shocking. this is the sort of thing that would not have happened in past administrations, but there are, apparently, it's everything goes ethically. by the way, i would like some
clarification from the white house at some point, did donald trump fire michael flynn or did michael flynn resign? because if he resigned, donald trump acted angry saying a good man was hung. right wing websites are saying -- >> now he fired him. >> john heilemann, right wing welcomeses are now going out and talking about and right wing columnists talking about how michael flynn was set up, no due process, he did nothing wrong. well, did he resign or did donald trump fire him? if donald trump fired him, if the right wing websites are right, why is he such a weak president and fold to things that aren't true? >> it's a confusing situation. as you said, joe, donald trump and his public comments basically acted as throe michael flynn was persecuted, a good man driven from office by the hounds and the mass media.
now you have mike pence trying to put a nice gloss on that saying it's the president's decision to fire him. if this guy was not only acting as a foreign agent, literally as a foreign agent, not metaphorically, while traveling with donald trump, and as close to donald trump as anybody, he became the national security adviser and somehow the president and others, right now, at least the official explanation is they had no idea he was acting as a foreign agent when appointed to be national security adviser. that is one of the most extraordinary -- if it's true they did not know, an extraordinary version of vetting i have ever heard of. >> so many untruths here, it's hard to know exactly what happened on any level with anything we talked about since the show started today. >> the president needs to follow up and ask the question, did they know? if they did know, it's as bad as if they didn't know. if they didn't know, it was one
of the most unprofessional vetting processes i have heard of in washington, getting paid $500,000 by turkey, a hostile, again, for the past four, five, six years, a hostile player as it pertains to syria, only becoming more helpful over the past year or two. isis used turkey to get into syria for the better part of the civil war. this guy is getting paid. >> up next, as the gop fights health care battles on the left and right. health and human service secretary, tom price joins us. first, bill karins with a check on the forecast and the severe winds across the country. bill? >> the winds were crazy in ohio, the great lakes and ohio. 4-year-old coming home, does
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>> that is paul ryan walking through the health care plan. joining us now, the secretary of the u.s. department of health and human services, dr. tom price. mr. secretary, thanks for being with us. >> good to be with you. thanks so much. happy friday. >> happy friday to you, too. one of the questions we have been getting from across the country, not in washington or new york, but as they hear the details of the house plan unfold, do i lose my health care on this? it's a question a lot of people want answered. the brookings institute estimate 15 million people would be moved off health care. what is the number you have about how many people would lose their health care under this new plan? >> we don't want anybody to lose health coverage or health care. the fact is, right now, people are losing their health care and health coverage because of the plan put in place with the previous administration.
you have deductibles increasing. you have premiums. one-third of the counties in the country have one insurer offering coverage. five states have one insurer. people are losing their coverage right now. that's an important point because that's the baseline we are looking at. what we want to do is solve that, fix it, put in place a system that makes sure every american has access to health coverage of the highest quality tharks is affordable and provides choices. we don't believe individuals will lose coverage so long as they can select the plan they want. >> to be clear, initially, if this plan were signed into law, no one would lose their health care? >> nothing changes for 2017, as you know. in terms of the law that is debated right now. >> when it's implemented, would anyone lose his or her health care? >> may be moved from a plan they have that is much more desirable
fur them to have. the previous administration forced people to buy health coverage they may not want or forced to use because of the increased premiums and deductibles. what we want and the american people want is a system that allows them to choose the kind of coverage they have for themselves and their family. that's why we need the three parts, three phases. the bill in congress, the one at depament of healthnd services through rules and regulations to make a more vibrant market and phase three, the other bills, many of them insurance changes that they will go through congress. some of them concurrently, but some in the future. >> mr. secretary, i want to underline this, for a lot of families, this is a life and death question. >> that's why it's important. >> if it's repealed, this plan is signed into law through the senate and everything else, there will be no gap? the people currently enjoying the benefits all will be covered by the new plan? >> that's why the president said
in his joint session to congress a few weeks ago, that we want to make certain the transition time line for this works for everybody. we want to make certain nobody falls through cracks, the rug isn't pulled out from anybody. if somebody has a plan, they keep it or transition to a plan that is more responsive for them. our goal is to keep patients at the focus of all this. sadly, we see a system where patients aren't at the focus. >> the numbers like the 15 million people that have been thrown around that will be moved off the affordable care act are p patently false? >> i believe those numbers look at this in a siloed situation where they don't look at the kind of reforms and changes that will come about or the options and choices that individuals will have. again, we want nobody to lose coverage or lose access to coverage that currently has that and we want to increase the number of individual that is
have access to coverage. there are 20 million folks out there across the land who said to the previous administration and government, we don't want what you have and we are going to pay a penalty or request a waiver. 20 million folks don't have coverage because of the rules too onerous to purchase coverage. >> mark halperin? >> who is keith hall and what do you think of him? >> keith is the cbo director and i worked with him as budget chair. >> what do you think of him and his judgment? >> well, congressional budget office is an organization that does their best to get numbers right. god bless them, when they looked at obamacare originally, the aca originally, they said there would be 20 million people getting coverage through the exchange. as you and i both know, that number of folks getting their coverage through the exchange that didn't have coverage before is in the 3 million, 4 million,
5 million range. they have been underperforming when it comes to evaluating health systems. not because they are bad folks, this is challenging stuff. >> i'm sorry to interrupt, if you have so little faith in the cbo, even someone you like and work with, why do we have the cbo? why pay their salaries if you are going to say we can disregard what they decide? >> it's a little off topic but i put forth a series of budget process reform so we could rely on the number that is camerom cbo. i would urge my former colleagues to pick that up an move forward with it. it is absolutely necessary. the american people need to know and members of congress need to know they can trust the information that's coming from the congressional budget office and the office of management and budget which will have different numbers as it relates to coverage and cost. there are other individuals working on the legislation that is before congress looking at
the legislation and going to come forward with their assessment and their modelling of coverage and cost numbers we will see. our goal is to keep patients at the center, have a system that is affordable for everybody, accessible for everybody, the highest quality with the choices the american people demand and deserve. >> congressman, the last question of people losing coverage, you said transition people, people not lose coverage or not lose access to coverage. i want to ask you the same question i asked other republicans supporting this legislation. who are people who will, consumers who will be worse off than they are under the current law? >> it's a hypothetical, frankly. what we want are everybody to be better off. we want people to purchase the coverage they want. right now, the american people, if they are buying through the exchange, they are forced to purchase coverage that may or may not work for them. that's one of the important keys
why the aca, obamacare failed. it it's dictating. >> you want everybody to be better off. is there no category of person who you think would be worse off under the new law, if it pass snd. >> the premise is nobody is worse off right now. the fact of the matter is there are millions of americans who are worse off because of obamacare and the aca. i talked to my former medical colleagues, i'm a physician, third to sit in this role in health and human services. i talked to former medical colleagues and patients come in, they make a recommendation and the patient cries because they can't afford that. the deductibles have gone through the roof and i can't afford the deductibles. people have an insurance card, but they aren't getting care. that's the key. we want folks to get the care, not just the card. >> health and human services secretary, tom price, thank you for being on the show this
morning. >> thanks so much. have a great friday, a great weekend. >> thank you. that was the sell. donny, what did you think of the sell? >> tap dancing, there are certain realities that are fact. the people that set up to help the most, the poorest people and people over 60 are going to get hurt from it versus the wealthiest people. the big thing they are taking off the table, the individual mandate is being replaced by a penalty cost of somebody drops out and wants to come back in. the reason it's not going to add up dollars wise is the only people that want to come in and pay the penalty are the people that really need health care. you are taking the people who have been supporting it out of the market and bringing the people in who are the most expensive. you are not helping as far as the individual mandate point of view. the reality is everybody who looked at this, the booking institute said yes. 15 million will lose health care. so, he was doing a lot of dancing.
>> a slight of hand there. he said we want everyone to have access to care. we don't want anyone to lose care. access to care is the mirage. everybody can have access. who is going to lose coverage? there's not a scenario that we are talking about. this version of the bill or one that's contemplated where people are going to lose coverage. the question is how many. you have to be straight about that if you are going to try to get it done. >> here is the thing about our president. we have been talking throughout the show and i agree with joe, basically nobody who voted for trump changed their mind. a couple years down the road, if some of those people in michigan or ohio start to lose their health care, you are going to see a very different tune. >> they have been enjoying the benefits of the affordable care act. whether republicans or democrats now, six or seven years. if you take those away, it is going to hurt you politically. you can't say by taking a program this big away, you are not going to lose people and
fall through the cracks. there are going to be people who lose their health care. >> still ahead, the jobs report of the trump era was released moments ago. we'll have the numbers and what they mean, next on "morning joe." ♪ announcer: get on your feet for the nastiest bull in the state of texas. ♪ ♪
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all right. we just got the monthly jobs report. let's go to sarah eisen of the yooi yooi stock change chlgt what does it show? >> healthy job growth. the first full month of jobs under president trump, 235,000 jobs added. it's better than expected. the unemployment rate drops to 4.7% from 4.8%. some signs of wage growth is something we have been looking for throughout the jobs recovery. wages increased 2.8% from the year before. we need to see a number that goes more like 3%, but still, it is healthy to see those gains. a big part of the story here, construction jobs really grew. strongest rate there in terms of job growth in ten years, it was a warmer february. the weather might have had
something to do with that. an overall sign that some of the confidence jumps we have seen boast election from businesses and home builders are actually translating into higher, more hiring. i want to bring in labor force participation tipped up a bit to 63%. that's encouraging. perhaps that trend stabilized a bit. as i said, overall, a strong report. what does it mean for the markets? well, next week, there's a big federal reserve meeting. the bet is they are going to raise interest rates next week. this strong jobs report adds fuel to that argument. market seems to be taking it well though. they are looking at this economy as doing a lot better in the first few weeks and month here of the trump presidency. >> cnc sarah eisen, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> john heilemann, what is your take on that? good jobs report. >> the reality, is you are
donald trump, politically it's nice to have good jobs reports. it's not that different from what we saw with president obama. this is not a knock on donald trump, the reality is we are 50 days into the administration. nothing the administration has done is affecting the way american jobs are created. we'll look in six months to see about the climb and policy changes will make their way through the system. these job numbers reflect decision that is were made in hiring back in november, december, around when there was the hangover, the transition between the two administrations. it's good for trump, but he can't say these are my numbers. >> but he will. >> joe? go ahead. >> he can say that. donny is right, he will say that. look at the stock market, there's no doubt, there's a trump rally. a lot of people on wall street say the trump bump. no doubt about that. as far as long term systemic
growth, yes, we have to look at the two things that matter the most to working class americans who have been feeling the crunch. what are the wages going to look like over the next 4-8 years, what are his changes going to do and can he bring back manufacting jobsto the united states that left 20 years ago, paying $35 an hour and now come back paying $14 or $15 an hour. those are the systemic changes and challenges that face every new president. we won't know the answer to how his economic policies are impacting those two issues for a decade. >> joe, you talked earlier in the show about the bullishness of ceos. they think we are at the top of the macht and starting to short. what's built in are the tax cuts, deregulation and uncertainty factor weighs in. a lot of people feel we are at the tippy top of the market.
>> there may be that concern now. i'm always very suspect of the stock market. i'd rather go to the dog track than invest in the stock market. i think it's at the top. i will say, a lot of people believe regulatory reform, tax reform, is going to drive the market up even more. you have trillions of dollars offshore that will be reinvested in america. that will really make this economy explode. that is the belief, hard to say. also, what impact are we going to have, mika is unemployment falls to 4.7%. what impact are we going to see actually, when interest rates start going up? by the way, as the interest rates go up, the $20 trillion debt suddenly has american taxpayers paying a lot more money, throwing it straight down a rat hole for interest on america's $20 trillion national debt.
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[howling continues] with us now from capitol hill, house majority whip, republican steve scalise of louisiana. it's great to have you here with us. >> good morning. good to be with ya. >> let's start with where you guys are as far as the whip count, approximately. would this bill pass if it went to the floor today? >> the bill is a few weeks from going to the floor. it goes to the budget committee next week. we continue to talk to members about things they would like to see that we are working with the white house on. at the same time, a strong vote out of the ways and means committee and the energy and commerce committee, which have all the factions of our conference. we have tuesday group members, rfc members and freedom caucus
members and it passed unanimously with all republicans. the democrats voted against it. >> what about republicans, some of the more conservative members. we have had several of them on the show say thg is obamacare-lite. this is socialism-lite. how do you move them from where they are now to where you want them supporting the bill? >> very few members are talking like that. most of our members recognize this bill guts obamacare and starts it whole process of completely repealing and replacing obamacare. keep in mind, this gets rid of the mandate penalties. it starts to open a free market where consumers can buy their own health care insurance. that's at the heart of failures of obamacare. get rid of the mandates and taxes in obamacare. now we have a process where under secretary tom price, consumers can buy the health care plans thelt for their family, which is the health
carefree.com people have been asking for for years. this has all the conservative reforms and things like medicaid reform, something we haven't seen in over 50 years. it's really going to help improve the most broken form of health care. >> congressman, i want to ask you two related questions, the first won't take long. do you agree with me, one of the things president obama did was not be fully honest about who the losers would be under the plan? people who would lose coverage? >> it was the broken promises, if you like what you have, costs won't go down. >> he knew, in advance, that some people would lose access and wasn't truthful about that, correct? i know you think that. i know you think that is correct. >> people wouldn't be able to buy what they wanted. >> you all are doing what the president did. you know full well that some people will benefit from the house plan, if it passed into law and some people won't. i'm wondering, wout it be a
good dwroz tell th american people, certain people, old people, people in rural places, some of your constituents will be worst off under your plan? true, right? >> no, the losers are those who think government bureaucrats have to tell you what you can and can't buy. our bill is about freedom to choose what you want. their bill was about government bureaucrats telling you what you can and can't buy. >> not one consumer will be worse off under your plan? >> if somebody is in obamacare and they really like it, it is going to be gone after our transition period, but there will be better options for them. and there's going to be lower costs they will be able to pay for your family. >> house majority whip, steve scalise, thank you so much. we want to bring into the conversation, author and nbc news contributor, we want to
play you something that democratic congressman tim ryan said on our show earlier this morning. take a look. >> there's so much opportunity out in the world now but democrats clearly aren't pushing that as much as i would like us to. that's the frustration. he co-opted a democratic message and part of it is the democrats fault. i'm more mad at the democrats than i am with the republicans because, you know, we dropped the ball on this stuff. we let our people down. >> so, looking ahead, what do we need to do? it's been a really, really rough and troubling time. a lot of it we do own. is that fair to say? >> what is true in that comment is, if you step back, i'm5 years old. in the course of my lifetime, we have an amazing e of innovation in this country. think of what exists, the phones on our table that did not exist at the time i was born. that has not translated into progress for half the country. we have new data showing 117
million, the bottom half of americans got no raise, on average, since the '70s, as it has world got so amazing. innovation without progress. i think the problem is, donald trump, and that was z, by the way, the beneficiaries were the least vulnerable. donald trump tapped into that anger and instead of redirecting it back to the people who were extracting value from society redirected it to the most vol neshl people. i think the question behind what was said by the congressman is how do we get donald trump to be loyal to the people who voted for him to start with? people who like having health insurance over not having it. people who don't love the big wall street banks hesco siing up to. i was to make him loyal to his people, for starters. >> joe, where we stand now is a lot of trump supporters believe,
even some of the things they are saying that are proven to be false. >> right. >> i say that with respect to them. what is happening and, how do -- how do we operate moving forward? >> first of all, listen, if you are a trump supporter, i certainly respect your decision to vote for donald trump. if you choose to be ignorant, willfully ignorant as donald trump lies every day about the lies, i don't cut you a break. >> they might take issue with that, joe. >> no they didn't. it's very simple. it's very simple. i don't question why people voted for donald trump. i understand why they didn't vote for hillary clinton. >> yeah. >> i'm just taking -- i'm checking what you just said there. if he's a liar on certain points, everybody has responsibility to call him out on lying. let's talk about the democratic party quickly, mika. the problem is, you are right,
donald trump spoke to a certain group of people. the democratic party's problem was, they nominated, instead of bernie sanders, they nominated somebody that was more intertwined with wall street, probably, than any candidate in modern american history. anan, remember when the clinton's said they weren't that rich? because they were worst $100 million, $200 million, because they hung out with billionaires constantly. >> it doesn't buy you what it used to. >> of course. how does a democratic party in an age of disruption nominate that candidate instead of bernie sander snsz. >> that's a good point. i think democratic party has been split by people who tell the story of progress and tom friedman and people, as congressman ryan said we are the party of people who take a shower after work. we need to find a way to tell
those stories together. this is an age of amazing, extraordinary. it has been brutal. someone who can tell that story cohesively is going to win that future. >> mark, real quick. >> how vulnerable do you think republicans are close to getting rid of the taxes? >> what's interesting is you have the arguments about social security every time you pass one of these things, there's a war. you can't go back. 30 years later, you try to take away the thing you were fighting against. there's no chance. my son is on obamacare. i'm on obamacare. my wife is. my 2-year-old son with a bad stomach virus is on obamacare. i'm grateful for obamacare. what you would like them to think about, can they answer your question and give us all and their own constituents their word that nobody is going to lose coverage. >> they can't. thank you very much.
campuses, in part because many students feel that going to an elite undergrad institution is not going to improve their chances in the economy. >> eli stoeblckoles, heidi przybyla, and jason johnson. tonight on "all in." >> i got the white supremacist, the neo-nazi, i got them all. >> what the president did this summer. >> kkk, we got kkk. i got 'em all. >> response to charlottesville. >> very fine people on both sides. >> the response in north korea. >> they will be met with fire and fury the response to ht hurricane. >> the intensifying russia investigation. >> my son is a wonderful young man. he took a meeting with a russian lawyer. >> the fights with his own disa.
>> where america stands after its first summer of trump. >> i don't think anyone is interested in having a shutdown. >> no chance, we won't raise the debt ceiling. no chance. networ america's not going to default. >> we have to close down our government, we're building that wall. "all in" starts right now. >> good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. this is normally the time of year, right after the labor day weekend, when congress returns to washington, after a slow and sleepy recess, and the news cycle finally starts to crank back up again. but this year, with this president, hardly a summer day passed by without some big bombshell story. huge developments in the russia investigation, a near crisis with north korea, the infamous two sides response to the violence in charlottesville, steve bannon was fired, transgender troops were banned, sort of, and sheriff joe arpaio was pardoned. and that was just in august. most presidents head into their first september hoping the wind at their back can help drive a
busy legislative agenda. this president ends the summer setting records with his dismally low approval ratings, including the lowest park ever for a president in his first year. by the end of last month, the president was at 34%. to help with the summer of trump in perspective, i'm joined by harry enton, senior political writer for 358, tara dowdel, and jess mcintosh, a former adviser for the clinton campaign and current executive editor of share blue. good to have you here. let's start with a snapshot of where the president is political my. maybe i'll start with you, because you do a lot of analysis of polling. how would you characterize where the president is politically? >> lowest i've ever seen. those numbers tell the story, don't they? look at the president's disapproval rating. already in the high 50s. his net approval rating, more than 20 percentage points of the country disapprove than approve of the president. we've simply never seen that. i guess if we had polling back with warren g. harding we would,
watching the president. >> there was literally one day of an eclipse -- >> that was the one slowdown. >> and i remembered watching the eclipse news cycle play out, i was like, this is what news cycles used to be like. >> but instead, we're all tuned into this. and of course, a small piece of his base is eroding every time he does something massively unpopular, really racist, really bigoted. every time he fails to enact some piece of his agenda that his base was excited about doing. he hasn't done anything that they wanted and he's done so much that the rest of the condition didn't want. i think the polls are more important than usual, because america has this -- we need to know that there are more people who don't like this than there are. >> but i want to ask you this as someone who worked in the clinton campaign. because i feel like -- i'm not saying this is not true. the polling is what the polling is. he's clearly very unpopular. he lost the popular vote by 3 million votes. so it's not surprising in some ways, right? but there was also this sense that people said very similar things about him during the
campaign, which he ended up winning, right? >> yes. >> that his approval ratings are in the 30s, he's incredibly unpopular, ya dada yada. are you haunted in some part of your mind? like we maybe got it wrong that time. >> i am haunted regularly, always. but, it was a hypothetical then and now it's real. >> so you're saying that's the difference. the difference is between, i'm going to vote for this person and what i'm going to do is vote and then we'll see what he's like to this is what he's like. >> how many people voted for him because they thought he would drain the swamp. how many people voted for him because they thought he would keep out muslims and build a wall. that's what they thought they would do, but he's not doing that. >> and it's negative polarization. that is still with us. people are motivated by the people they don't want to see in the office. so the support that he retains, i think, when he has those flashpoint moments, that's when he retains it. that's when the media is ganging
up on him and he can just say, it's all fake news and we're against them. but if we wipe away all the crazy headlines and the fog and the nonstop news soik here. what we're seeing with the trump administration from the get-go is the same thing that republicans and libertarians criticized obama at in his second term, which is, it's just a pen and a phone. there isn't a lot of legislation happening. >> which is usually not what's happening in your first hundred days, first year. particularly when you have congress, that's when you do it. >> and he has spent a lot of his capital burning his capital. he's going after jeff flake and dean heller. he's trying to primary people and reshape the republican party to be more trumpy. and this is making a lot of republican senators really unhappy. that's not going to get tax reform done. >> do you think that matters? so, there's two issues, right? there's the general sense of how popular he is. and then there's how that connects to whi s ts to what ki influence, power, and capital he has to spend on capitol hill. how do you think those two relate at this moment? >> i'll play devil's advocate a little bit here. i think with respect to trump's
base, while maybe there are portions of it that have evoed roded, there's a lot of talk about sort of the working class people that voted for him. but a lot of very wealthy people in this country, a lot of educated people this this country voted for donald trump. >> the best one-word summary of who voted for donald trump is republicans. republicans voted for donald trump. like, if you're trying to figure out -- republicans voted for donald trump by overwhelming margins. particularly a slice of people that didn't like him in the primary and maybe aren't crazy about him now. >> so i think those people are eroding, but with respect to his core base, and i call them fans, he has a cult-like following in this cub. and he is putting on the greatest reality show he's ever put on. this is what he's doing. he's entertaining these people, they like the fact that some people actually like the fact that nothing's happening. because they wanted him to quote/unquote blow up washington. and that's exactly what he's doing. so some people have sort of bought into that rationale and they use it to justify
continuing to support him. so i think that we shouldn't underestimate the strength of who he's performing for. he's performing for those fans and those fans still support him. >> i think there's an important distinction there. there are some people who support trump or support him in spite of the antics and the personality. and there are some people who support him primarily because of that. and it's the latter category that i think are the fans and the base that are the 30% or what. it's the more marginal voters who are the people that are where a lot of the political leverage is, particularly when republicans on capitol hill are thinking about it. >> i'll say two things. number one, trump's approval rating among republicans in the latest gallup weekly poll was below 80%. that's amazing. you would expect your republican base to be overwhelmingly support you, not just four out of five. the other thing i pointed out, the pew research center had a great question. how do you approve of the president's not just his performance, but his attitude and conduct in office? and only 14% of americans said
they liked it. in fact, the plurality of republicans said they had mixed feelings. they do not necessarily like this show. there are some people who certainly do, who want to burn everything to the ground. but most people who voted for donald trump were hoping that he would actually do something. and if you look at the legislation passed so far, i think the opinion is he really hasn't. >> and that brings us to whether he has any sway on capitol hill. we saw he really didn't during the health care fight. he did a little bit in the house, i think they're a little more responsive to him, those are gerrymandered districts. those are districts where a primary from a trump-backed perp could spell the end of your political career. but in the senate, not only does he not have any sway, he doesn't appear to have the tools or comprehension necessary to make a policy argument to people, which actually do matter. >> he didn't try. like, he never tried to have policy sway. every time he gives a speech or a rally, it's about himself. he's never -- i mean, he tried to give a tax speech just last week and it was about himself and eventually an attack on claire mccaskill. i did not walk away from that speech knowing what his tax plan
was going to be. and i think that the republicans on the hill had to have been really disappointed in that. he's just not -- he's not able to and he's not willing to learn how. >> but let's separate the legislative trump agenda and what tara is saying. the guy has control over the kpes executive branch of government. and he's doing things or trying to do things, some of which i like and the rest of you may not, in terms of reforms at the food and drug administration. he's got people who are working on regulatory reform in a lot of different places -- >> you were right the first time. i saw you catch yourself. >> but, so, that is happening apace and some of the only legislation that's opinion passed by kopg ththe congressio review act for the second and 14th times in history. that's different and a real thing that's happening. it's gotten way undercovered because we pay attention to flash grenades. >> and to me the most significant is what's happening with dhs and i.c.e. and what's happening with immigration. it's very different in terms of
who's being detained and how often. >> and doj with jeff sessions, who hasn't done every terrible thing he wants to do, but wishes he could. >> but ultimately, you get judged by legislative accomplishments, both at the ballot box -- that's not true. you get judged by how people's lives are going. and right now the economy continues to hum along. do you -- if you had to make a prediction about whether he can get people onboard for any big bills passed this fall, what do you think? >> i think he's going to have a really tough time doing so. because trump's worst enemy is trump, right? so he -- he misses -- to your point, he misses opportunities. when he does have the bully pulpit, but he can't help himself and he has to use it to attack someone. i want to make another point, though. with trump supporters, because i think that we have to not underestimate trump, as a democrat, i think we have to be very careful that we don't underestimate. there also was a poll that came out that said a massive number of republicans think that the media is a bigger threat than -- >> white supremacists.
>> white supremacy! yes! that is clearly trump's influence. >> 40% total thought the news media was more a threat than white supremacists. and for trump voters, it's 75%. >> look how much stronger trump is against the news media than he is against white supremacists, of course they think that. >> and i want to talk about that. stay with me. because in two minutes, i want to talk specifically about the president's response to charlottesville. that's right after the break. coming up later in the hour, we have a special retrospective, a look at the incredibly shrinking administration. >> the era of the pajama boy is over january 20th and the alpha males are back. i'm milissa rehberger with your top stories. ahead of the president's expected announcement tomorrow on 800,000 young immigrants, some republicans in congress are calling for him to keep the daca program. republican lawmakers like james langford of oklahoma say it's wrong to hold children accountable for their parent's decision to bring them to this
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club in new jersey, the president gave his first remarks on the attack, saying he blamed for both sides on what unfolded. the comment drew swift criticism. a day later, he gave another statement, a scripted condemnation of the hate groups involved. but then tuesday came, and in an impromptu prmess conference, donald trump reached what may have been the lowest point of his proteesidency. >> i've condemned neo-nazis, i've condemned many different groups, but not all of those people were neo-nazis, believe me. not all of those people were white supremacists, by any stretch. you had some very bad people in that group. but you also had people that were very fine people on both side sides. >> why -- that -- the post-charlottesville moment, more than any moment, of all we've talked about, the news cycles of trump, seemed to hit something. it seemed to strike some core
nerve in people. and there's evidence of that. there's some evidence in the polling, but also in terms of the business groups leaving and being denounced. why? >> he sympathized with nazis. we've never had an american president do that before in our lifetime. i think it's that simple. those aren't american values, any can quote the secretary of state, his own secretary of state. america does not condone those values. america fights nazis. and here we have this person who is giving the exact inverse of what he said about mexicamexica that first day that he announced his candidacy for president, he said, they're sending racists and some, with i suppose are okay. he said the exact inverse about nazis. there are a lot of good people in there. some are obviously bad, but overall -- >> i think some people on the right kind of scared themselves. i think some even who identified in the alt-right scared themselves. there's a good piece in the "new york" magazine about the end of the nazi is over because they
actually marched and actually had arm bands on there, like, oh, i've got a tiki torch and outside a black church, what the hell am i doing? >> scared themselves. that's a very interesting idea. >> this harkens back to a speech in warsaw, it was really weirdly apocalyptic about how the west will never ever, ever fall. and he was going to defend us against this sort of imminent fall. and who were the people that were going to undermine this apparently fragile west that's been pretty successful over the last 250 years? it was obviously islamic terrorists. but it was also faceless bureau cat accurates who don't understand our value or in the language cherish our history. so they're trying to make us all this kind of one person. that kind of sense of apocalyptic clinching of a narrow view of what western civilization is, he has that in common with the protesters in charlottesville, even if that's -- i'm not saying that, well, he's a racist or a white supremacist, but that's a common trope on the white, at this moment. and a lot of people who realize
that and have, including a lot of republicans, like, oh, crap, this is where we're going with all of this. >> i think -- i'm curious to get your feedback, too, on one of the things that was so revealing about it was, the initial reaction, he ad libbed both sides. he had a prepared statement. he ad libbed both sides, and then came out with the scripted statement, and then that tuesday press conference. and another breaking point was, i think in people's imaginations, like, don't believe anything anyone writes for this guy. like, don't just -- don't chalk it up to him. >> right. >> just only listen to what he says when he's unscripted. because that's when you're actually getting him. >> exactly. and here's the thing. he was so angry that he did not get a positive reception to his remake of what he had said. and that's why he came out. because he didn't want to make -- those scripted remarks, he didn't want to make -- >> against his will, that's right. >> he didn't want to make those remarks. so then he felt justified when he wasn't given it will adoration ande edand adieulatio giving those remarks.
>> i want to show this, when he was in phoenix, like, he's the victim. what more do you want of me? i've gone after all of them. take a listen. >> i hit 'em with neo-nazi, i hit 'em with everything. i got the white supremacist, the neo-nazi, i got 'em all in there. let's see. kkk, we have kkk. i got 'em all. >> just literally checking boxes. >> he's checking boxes. and it's all about him. this is the thing, right? if you look at the pre-election polling, over 50% of the american public thought that racist was a correct adjective to describe donald trump. and i think there were so many people -- >> pre-election polling? >> pre-election. and he was still able -- most of the people who voted for him didn't think that. but remember, he lost the popular vote. >> although, let's be clear, there were some who did. >> there were some. >> there's a non-statistically trivial percentage of voters who thought donald trump was a racist and voted for donald trump. >> and voted for him, anyway. >> not necessarily, "anyway." >> right, both ways. >> right.
>> but i'll just say, this just confirms the worst thoughts that many americans had about him. and that's why this was such a turning point. oh, my god, he's doing what we thought he might do. >> tara? >> and i also think it was hard -- trump couldn't use his bully pulpit and his rhetoric to get himself out of this. people saw the video foot animal of of a car driving into a crowd at top speed -- >> a young woman was murdered! >> -- and bodies flying up into the air. they saw a young woman lose her life for saying that she was standing up against hate and bigotry. they heard people marching, with torches, saying "the jews will not replace us." >> "blood and soil, blood and soil," which is a nazi chant, which they were doing on the friday night march, which is the one that he went out of his way -- i mean, that was to me the most mind boggling statement. that march, the tiki torch march -- >> was the one he said -- >> he said, the night before, there were some very fine people. those people, who were swarming outside the synagogue in charlottesville, i mean --
>> and no matter where you got your news from -- because remember, there's also this bifurcated selection news problem that we have in this country. and so, so it didn't matter where you got your news from, you couldn't miss all of that. it was just everywhere. and so that's why i think he took a real it h hit on this, deservedly. >> and there was no pretense. i looked through the information. the information leading to the unite the right rally, all the iconography and their posters was fascist looking. the people on record were on record saying a lot of racist things. the monument protection society wouldn't join the protest, because they were like, these people are creeping me out. >> thank you all so much for your time. still to come, the is intensifying russian investigation. what we've learned. what we still don't know. where the investigation is headed this fall. plus, how many people in this picture still work at the white house? the numerous administration officials who are gone but not forgotten.
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revelations about efforts to build a trump tower moscow during the campaign. as the bigger picture starts to come into focus, the question becomes, where does the investigation go from here? we have just the people to talk about that, former watergate prosecutor, nick ackerman, who's been following the russia developments with all summer. rebecca trayster. maria hiddnojosa, and josh barr, senior editor at business insider. nick, let me start with you. you've been very clued into this and you also have been around, done this rodeo before. how big are the developments of this summer? >> huge pip mean, the biggest development, i think the key one is the meeting that took place at trump tower, on june 9th. i mean, that is going to be the focal point of every investigation. >> when we learned that, i had a great moment in the "snl" skit of lester holt interviewing donald trump, where he like admits he was thinking about russia, with james comey. and michael shea playing lester
holt was like, did i get him? like, is that it? like, you just admitted it. and that e-mail felt like just, okay, did we -- we have it, right? we have the evidence here? >> not completely. not completely. i think there's more to it. the question is the documents that were promised to be brought to that meeting. interestingly, nobody has fessed up to those documents. but we do know that two months -- >> the dirt on hillary clinton. that was the idea -- delivering dirt on hillary clinton? >> and we do know two months prior to that meeting that go z guccifer and the russians had hacked into hillary clinton's campaign office and had retri e retrieved e-mails and documents. >> that's a great point. >> we also know that two weeks after that meeting, all of a sudden, those documents appear on the internet and then appear on wikileaks, and we also know that roger stone, the president's chief kind of dirty tricks guy, was in contact with julian assange and guccifer, immediately after that meeting on june 9th.
i think there's lots of questions there. >> rebecca, you covered the clinton campaign. and one of the things that strikes me when i go back and look at the campaign footage is how much they were talking about this, from the beginning. it is striking to go back to debates and realize, like, it was all happening in realtime and the clinton campaignrealtim. >> yeah, hillary clinton was talking about so many of the details. i saw a clip of her talking about joe arpaio. she was talking about so much, but especially about russia. they clearly were keeping track of this as best they could and trying to piece things together as best they could. but it wasn't sinking in. they weren't listening. i wasn't listening. as someone who was covering the campaign, i wasn't thinking about russia's role. i was listening, but i don't know, it was a claim of an opponent against another opponent. it wasn't -- it didn't feel real. you know, i was paying attention, but trying not to get sucked into a conspiracy theory, you know? and that was the dynamic in play, because lots of people on the left were also saying, this is crazy conspiracy theory.
th this couldn't be real. >> and i'm a little bit concerned. as someone who actually had to do the bomb shelter thing when i was a kid in grade school, i've been hyperaware of it. and i am a political junkie, like all of us, right? so everything we're watching, every step, but i do worry, out there. kind of like when i was a kid, watching watergate, and you just heard all the names and they were just kind of flying by you and it just becomes this huge thing. that's what i'm concerned about. that for everybody else, it can continue to be this thing that donald trump will say, oh, you see, it's just them coming after me. and i wonder how we as a country and as journalists kind of flip it. >> well, i think watergate is sort of an interesting precedent, right? it was like all these names, and eventually, it wasn't. >> exactly. >> i think the other thing we don't have yet is an indication of a specific policy action for russia in exchange for this. i think the problem with this as an issue is sort of, did we -- this is a disinformation campaign. if you show, yeah, russia did this, and yeah, trump knew about
it and mad conversations with him about it, fundamentally the mechanism by which the election was influenced is that americans received the information and decided to vote for donald trump instead of hillary clinton. you're never going to convince people that that was the error that they hacked into american's minds and caused them to vote the wrong way. ultimately, the final decision was made by american voters. so this never ends up adding up to like russia stole the election? because it was american voters -- >> the crime, it is worthwhile to keep in mind, the crime was committed. there's a crime. criminal intrusion of e-mails is a crime. -- >> but that's not a crime committed by the trump campaign. >> but it's a political question. there probably will be indictments of various people. but the decision about whether this ends the trump administration says political question with congress and other actors. >> that's true pip also think that to me, i have had my own journey on this. that that meeting -- to me, that meeting -- the meeting e-mail was an important one for this reason. i did not think the day before that e-mail came out that that
e-mail would have existed. that seemed implausible and cartoonish and conspiratorial against all imaginings. and it came out and that altered my priors about what i'm expecting to come out. >> but you add to that e-mail exactly the explanation that donald trump wrote for his son, which is so antiseptic -- >> they lied. >> they lied and they put in a statement by kushner, which also dovetails with junior's statement. it's like classic investigation. you get two guys who come in, they give you a totally nonsense story. and then you've got the opportunity to chip away at it. >> right. >> i think there is this psychological issue, though, for a lot of regular americans, and those of us political junkies who are watching this and watching these headlines and being surprised, oh, my god, did we get him? is that it? that's it? right? we now know this happened? which is, is there going to be a point where anybody can say, okay, now a mechanism is going to kick into place. and that's a question, with i don't know, did people ask that throughout watergate and
suddenly there was a mechanism whereby this kicks in? a lot of people are like, we got him, right? but why isn't anything happening? and we feel paralyzed and passive, and what's going to happen next? >> here's what i will say. i think mueller is going to do something, at some point. that seems to me, and i'm curious what you think of it, that when mueller moves, in whatever direction he moves, if he indicts someone, if he releases some report, that's going to be a forcing mechanism, i think, in terms of the public awarene awareness. maybe not. >> yes, but also what happened just recently is donald trump pardoned joe arpaio. so for me as a latina, as a mexican, i kind of get the message. the president is pardoning someone who specifically targeted people just like me, illegally, and the president pardoned him. >> and he's a political ally. >> right. >> and that's the message. for everybody else, don't worry, we're going to -- i'm going to pardon you, >> and a lot of people feel like
that pardon was a signal. >> that's what makes the news this week about mueller cooperating with new york attorney general, eric schneiderman, so important. because the president can't issue pardons for state crimes. the attorney general of new york has immense authority to prosecute financial crimes. they're doing a lot of financial investigations around at least manafort, maybe other figures. so i think that gives mueller the threat of prosecutions that the president can't interfere with. >> that also says how advanced that investigation is and how serious it's going to get in the fall. and i think that's when mueller starts to move in public ways is when things are really going to change, i think. republicans head back to the hill to work on the agenda of a president who spent the summer attacking them with key deadlines in the coming weeks. a preview of the major fights to come. >> build that wall. now, the obstructionist democrats would like us not to do it. but believe me, we have to close down our government, we're building that wall.
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tell the people of texas to expect in terms of long-term recovery efforts? and in particular, you have been feuding with some key congressional leaders. you've also threatened a government shutdown, potentially, next month over border wall funding. are these going to hamper long-term, the funding that will be needed long-term for recovery? >> no, jud. ping that you're going to see very rapid action from congress, certainly from the president. and you're going to get your funding. >> hurricane harvey could end up being one of the most costly natural disasters in u.s. history, but when congress returns tomorrow, one of the things on the table is a $1 billion cut in disaster funding in order to fund donald trump's border wall. a wall the president is threatening to do battle with his own party over. >> build that wall. now, the obstructionist democrats would like us not to do it, but believe me, if we have to close down our government, we're building that wall. >> still with me, nick ackerman, rebec rebecca, maria hinojosa, and
josh barrow. they're already basically signaling retreat on the wall fight. they're going to blame it on harvey. but there's two ways to think about the wall. it's the symbol they'll never deliver on, because all that matters is the symbol and the thing they'll never do. which do you see it as? >> i think that this is going to continue to -- we're going to talk about it, but i'm not so sure it's going to get done. i just don't -- i was on park avenue and i saw the picture on the "daily news," i had just come back from being out of the country, and it was like, build the wall, it was trump's face, on park avenue, on the "daily news." build the wall or i'll kill this government. and that's a point where i think some people are just going to say, i don't -- this is not the way -- >> right, exactly. and they've already indicated they don't like the politics of it. now they have the excuse, sort of, frankly, of harvey. and they're already saying, let's just kick the can on the shutdown fight. >> my best guess is that this is where we could see the true
explosion or implosion of trump's relationship with congress, which has been a really interesting dynamic for these very long seven or eight months. because they keep supporting him, they won't, you know, the republican leadership is supporting him in these really antidine ways when he's done terrible things. you have paul ryan say things like, racism is bad, but not mentioning donald trump. and the idea is they're getting something from him. they have majorities, a republican president, this unprecedented amount of power and that they should be getting something because they're working as a team, so they're supporting this guy that most of them clearly can't stand and he's a real -- >> piece of work. >> he's a real piece of work. but we look weak, in fact, because we're continuing to support this guy. but his frustrations with them have been building, obviously, were building through health care. he's now pretty open about his loathing for mitch mcconnell. i mean, there's been good reporting on that, too, that they openly hate each other now. and i think that's coming through on ryan, too. and what happens when that -- when those bonds of, well, we all have -- we have these majorities because we want to get our tax cuts for the rich, if that doesn't happen, and if those bonds break down, then what happens? if trump is cut off from his
party as in congress -- >> do you think that's make or break? so the setup there being that basically the last big legislative achievement and the domestic policy version of the go gorsuch appointment, which is like the thing that all of us normal conservative and republicans want to see, tax, tax, tax, if that doesn't happen -- >> i think it's different from health care in that if you don't do tax reform today, you can do it tomorrow. they had to move on from health care because the bill was so unpopular and so politically damage to even talk about that they had to move on from it to try to get to something that they thought was more plausible and a lot of them were more interested in in the first place. i think they'll continue to hold out hope they'll eventually pass something. and the other thing to keep them from breaking out into total warfare, it's a disaster in the midterm. if you have them angry with each other, normal republicans who are furious with the president and trump supporters who don't like congress not sticking them, it's a turnout disaster for republicans and they all lose. >> but isn't the dissent already in the open at this point? like, the fact that they're sort of in shambles, going into the
midtermses, is becoming ever-manufacture evident, right? >> well, i don't -- i mean, the generic ballot polling is ugly for them, but not like total disaster range yet. i think they're complaining more openly. people are less afraid of the president. rich lowry made a really great point in the column this week, the president by going after jeff sessions and not doing anything to him demonstrated tremendous weakness. even if he was furious with someone, he would complain about them but not really do anything. that's emboldened other members of the cabinet to rebuke him and other members of congress, as well. >> he'll tweet about you, but that'll be it. >> i want to remind people, because we are talking about houston, houston is a majority/minority city. the head of the police department, the head of the fire department, it is selina country. you also had i.c.e. and border patrol keeping open their checkpoints. so it's almost like -- like, oh, you want to a build a wall? build the wall 60 miles from houston, actually, which is where that checkpoint is. and that, by the way, for many
latinos who probably voted for trump, in this area, i think this is going to be another moment where, again, it's another test. and -- >> because it's a good point. there are -- he did not do a do against latino voters. >> and by the way, there are those in houston who supported him. what's going to happen to them. it's the chipping away if you will of the potential voters who will come back to reelect him. >> but this is all a situation where it's just reflective of the fact that when it comes to policy, this president doesn't know anything. >> right. >> this wall is ridiculous. >> the basic foretex at the heart of it all. i want to ask about his relationship to congress, more pointedly what that relationship is particularly in reference to what nicken's relationship with with congress. stay with us. we're going to talk about that after this break.
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with. nick, nick faced a democratic congress which is key. because when we talk about the times that impeachment articles have been pursued, it's always been opposition. what do you make -- what implication does the president's relationship with congressional republicans have with how this investigation unfolds? >> it's huge. nicken had a good relationship with congress in comparison to trump. >> really? >> weyes. >> the only reason nixon -- when the tapes came out, that's when they realized this guy really is a crook. and that's when barry goldwater went to the white house and read him to tea leaves and said it's time to get out of dodge and that's what happened. >> i think that -- you wrote a piece that i thought was interesting where you business cli posited that republicans in congress have been checking him more than maybe people appreciate. and i think there's -- i didn't
necessarily agree with the column but there is something to it. >> yeah. the most significant piece of legislation that's come out of this congress is the rugs sanctions bill taking away what would ordinarily be a prerogative of the president saying we don't trust you to conduct foreign affairs with russian, overwhelming bipartisan margins. and then you've head all of these hearings. and the liberals look at the hearing saying that the republicans don't ask good questions. but they don't have to hold these hearings at all. it's a remarkable thing that we're a few months into the republican administration and republican congress and the senate committees -- the white house committees have been embarrassing. but the senate committees have been conducting a serious damaging investigation to the president and they don't have to do that. >> the other part of this, rebecca, talking about the personal feud building. the president, he's not inventing it. he really doesn't like these people. >> yeah. >> and they really don't like him. and at a certain level
personality does matter and it's only going to get worse. >> and it fuels for him the tremendous victim concept. i find this moment terrifying. the russian investigation circling in, whatever relationships he had with his own party is disintegrating fast. and he gets scary and unpredictable when he's in a corner. and right now what the setup is everybody is after me. the media is after me, fake news. my own party gets in the way of doing this thing we -- who is we? any and my 30% of people who like me. that's a core base and they want some really scary things. democrats are obstructionists. i'm being persecuted. this is setting up a narrative in which he's the ultimate victim of the witch hunt. he's been using that phrase for months. and i think that is setting us up for whatever his view of the next chapter is going to be when it's the whole world against
trump. and i think that the departures of bannon and gorka from his inner circle going into the outside supports that. the establishment is emptied of his allies. he alone is there. >> right. so we were talking about this in terms of like if everything is going to explode and you get really worried and i get very concerned and then i happen to be interviewing delores about an hour or so ago, a documentary coming out about her life, supported and created by carlos santana. he's 87. has been around the block a long time. right? so when i asked her, where do we go from here? >> how scared are you? >> she's just like, you know, those 20,000 people that came out in boston to bprotest againt the white supremacists, they were mostly anglo. so he says, that's an amazing organizing opportunity for latinos. i'm just like i never would have thought that. so that is where i think on all of us, there is that question of
what is this moment. and by the way, we're all exhausted, right? how much more can we do. all of us are exhausted and there are many saying what is the opportunity and how do we engage deeper. i'm still asking the guys at the connecticut at the harbor story, so, who did you vote for? he was like, trump and i'm really regretting it now. without any prompting. >> there's two dynamics. some set of voters who are moving away. i think rebecca's model for the fall is a really useful one. trump against the world increasingly. they're going to pretend to work together for tax reform. i guess the question is -- i have this line about him where it always feels like the last part of the farce where the guy is going back and forth between if two rooms putting on the mustache and he's about to get felt out. and the last part of the farce keeps going and there's never the ending. we'll see the part of the fall
it's not just that this case has gone on, kennedy, it's been in this suspended animation for quite some time. >> yeah. it's like having a baby and being eight days overdue. you just don't know when you're going to give birth. >> i think it's more painful than that. >> the menendez trial. >> perhaps it is. >> interestingly the map in the senate is up for grabs in two ways. you have a fraud trial. there's a sitting republican governor that doesn't have very long until he leaves office. but you also have the case in alabama that we're going to discuss later in the show with roy moore who so far is not dropping out of the race. >> and could potentially have another one with al franken. we don't know. the judge in new jersey says he's not going to declare a mistrial right this second. he wants to interview the foreman. he said i thought i would be candidate with you, quoting judge. there's no cameras in the courtroom but we have our news team in there.
so they're sending us notes. your honor, the reason it would not be futile, the jury is under the impression they need to reach a unified vote. so they're going back and forth with defense. they're having a conversation in the courtroom. day 38. >> they need to know if they have to be unanimous on all of the counts or -- that's the big back and forth. post bob mcdonald who was prosecuted for way less than menendez. menendez had women flown in from overseas, a $90 million medicare scam that is funding this for him. it looks bad. it's amazing there's not more coverage. post mcdonald, what is a quid pro quo. the standard was elevated by the supreme court there. this is a case where they're determining what is the quid pro quo?
verdict. the judge said based on the note that doesn't seem like an instruction that would make any sense. the gap here is just too broad, too wide. there's too many despairent views and he wouldn't order a partial verdict. the judge has indicated he wants to interview the foreman of the year to hear in his words that the jury is deadlocked. what will likely happen then, after he speaks with the foreman of the year, the judge then may actually want to speak to the individual other 11 members of the jury polling them. not to hear so much whether they were going to vote for an acquittal or for guilt, but to hear in their words that the jury is deadlocked. it's increasingly likely it's moving in that direction. what should be noted, harris, this has been a 11-week trial.
the jury has deliberated now for more than 30 hours. millions of dollars has been spent, and now if there is a mistrial, the government is going to have to decide if they are going to try robert menendez once again starting from scratch. harris? >> you know, all of this fits together. if you don't take into account that they were almost at the same point last week with the jury with the longstanding vacation held out and they replaced that person. it's interesting even though they replaced a person that told the media that he or she thought that menendez was innocent, you still are deadlocked. what is being said about that? >> well, we have no idea what has happened inside the jury room. what is notable, monday, we got a note from the jury saying that i were deadlocked. since then, we've heard absolutely nothing from the jury. they did not ask for a read-back of any of the testimony.
they did not ask to examine any of the exhibits. the jury has been presumably deliberating, talking among themselves. how wide the gap is, we don't know. what are the issues? we don't know. as you indicated, the juror who was dismissed last week because she had a long planned vacation gave multiple interviews to the media saying the jury was going to be deadlocked and also saying that her personal view is that robert menendez should be acquitted. there's others with a different perspective. at this point in time, the senator still in the courtroom behind me. we expect that if there is a mistrial declared, he will come out and speak. back to you. >> david lee miller, we'll come back as the news warrants. big story right now. the president of the united states is on capitol hill. he's meeting right now with house speaker paul ryan and senate majority leader mitch
mcconnell. they've been talking about what it takes previous to this to get the senate and the house versions to merge. would love to be a fly on the wall in all of this. there's a lot at stake today, melissa. >> oh, a lot at stake. they know they have to make this a win, however you can do it. chopping down some of the details, if you look at a -- a lot of people are looking at the penalty you pay if you didn't buy obamacare, stripping that away. 58% of the funds that are paid as penalty are paid by the bottom 50%. if you strip away the mandate, a lot of people losing coverage. you have to wonder if these people were willing to pay a tax, which remember, the supreme court declared that this was a tax, that is why we're allowed to talk about it in reconciliation now. if people believe that was a tax and they would rather pay it rather than buying insurance they don't want, can't use, can't afford, whatever it is, this seems like it could be a step in the right direction.
>> a senator told me in the finance committee, they met before they began their hashing out and finishing their senate tax. the irs is the one that provided the numbers about who is paying the penalty. >> so they slide this in. the house has not been -- they've said they don't have this in their version that they already put up for a vote or going to put up for a vote. it does the mean they can add it. >> the only reason they don't have it is because they thought the senate wouldn't accept it. now that the senate has approved turfing the mandate, the house will obviously accept it.
they're right to do it. if this is what it took to dismantle obamacare, why didn't they do this in the first place? why did they waste so much time -- >> why do you think? >> because they were trying to tinker with it and offer an alternative. what it does, yes, four million of those people -- the estimate is between 4 and 6.5 million. you're right. but the reality is, those people don't want insurance. they don't want insurance. >> the senate bill might not pass, guys. >> too much insurance for young, healthy people. >> the affordability -- >> the exchanges cost much more -- >> the senate bill might not pass. might not pass because of this provision. they're on a razor thin -- >> the senate version might not pass because of what? >> collin murkowskis and others are concerned about this being included. collins has been open about it. >> before commercial break, i
want to give buck our last word. do you think there's any democrats to make up a deficit if republicans get over the line and move two people? >> no. at this point they're all in in opposition. they'll view this as keeping points off the board. doesn't remember what the final house or senate bill is, democrats will oppose it because the narrative going into the beginnings of the mid-term cycle, republicans can't get anything done. everything else is details. >> hanging in the balance, the american people. anyway, moving on. more controversy in the alabama senate race. roy moore is facing more accusers as resistance builts. given to the hillary clinton e-mail investigation that appears to contradict something james comey said.
hillary clinton is speaking out amid calls for a special counsel to investigate all of the issues surrounding her. >> it will also sent a terrible signal to our country and the world that somehow we are giving up on the kind of values that we
>> fox news alert. new information about hillary clinton, her e-mail scandal and whether a special counsel should be assigned to investigate her. >> that was the president and of course he's just met with paul ryan and senate leader mitch mcconnell. i'm listening. he just told everybody that the talks are going well so far. he's there because he sees like a presidential whipper for the votes. he's there to find out whether or not they've got them and he wants to make sure that he can push the tax reform over the hump with his motivation of being there on capitol hill. if both sides, the senate and the house, can get together and possibly hand him something for his desk at the end of the year. that's been the rally call from the president. he wanted something before thanksgiving from the house. they're going to take a vote later this afternoon. he could get that. but can he get the total package
from both chambers on the hill for him to sign before christmas? that's the big question. it's always a big deal when the president puts his toe in the water to see what the temperature is. it's a bigger deal when he makes his presence known in person. an interesting shot of the floor there. >> very clean, polished. >> nice marble. did we pay for that? >> you bet we did. we're waiting for the president to reemerge. he's meeting with leaders on capitol hill so he can talk with them, take their temperature on where they are. who does he need to talk to. >> is this a hidden camera pro show? >> who does he need to talk to, buck, to make sure the nos that are outstanding that he can soften, gauge, who is having a problem like with salt? >> yeah. state and local looms. in the short term, republicans
are thinking sure, we can lose state and local. longer term, there would be fall-out from it. in the meantime -- >> can i pause you? i think that people may have a different understanding. so what you're saying there's a long-term effect if people in high tax states can't deduct their state taxes on their fell income? that's the provision the state has wiped away. why is that important and what the long-term looks like. >> the state and local deduction has been around a long time because a lot of the blue states that have it say they contribute more to the federal government than other states that are bigger recipients of federal largess. this is a political issue for the states that do have it. peter king, republicans, but they're from blue states but they want to make sure it's out of it. on trump and why he's speaking to everybody right now, i think that the optics are just that president trump wants everyone
to know that this is not on him. the congress has to know it's not on him. >> no, no. i disagree. >> until they put something in front of him and he refuses to sign it, the criticism -- >> no. >> i want to go to melissa. >> yeah, i disagree with you it's on him. he loves the role of deal maker. he wants to -- >> it's not on him. >> okay. it's not. >> you agree. >> we agree. >> he wants to -- no, he will get blamed in the long run. i don't think that's why he's out here. i disagree that's why he's out here and why he's talking. i think he's out there not because he wants to watch his hands of it but he wants to get in deeper and he wants to make sure a deal is done and make sure a deal happens in the box between what the house and put forward and the senate has put forward. he's happy to agree somewhere. he will take the blame if it doesn't work -- >> senate republicans take the place. they're dropping the ball, this
is -- >> everybody does -- >> no. the house will pass it. they have the votes. kevin brady has done an about face on the salt deductions. he's done an about face on those as much as he can. the point is with the president visiting capitol hill, he didn't do enough on healthcare and that's where he got some blame. he didn't do enough personal whipping. he sent vice president pence to do that and it wasn't enough. they realize how critical that face time is with the president and how much impact and influence that can have on senators that are on the fence like ron johnson. i think there's a way -- susan collins, you can write her off. someone like ron johnson, he's making a strong stand because he has specific points that he want to negotiate. i think there's a deal to be had there. >> to buck's point, there's 17 republican members of the house who are representing districts in california, new jersey or new york. 17. democrats only need to take 24 seats back to pick up the house. i'm not saying all of them will
lose. peter king and his colleagues are concerned about this politically. the congressional nonpartisan analyst came out with more statistics that will race taxes on families that just came out before we came on air. there's political challenges to marrying the two versions to even getting this over the finish line in the senate. i also think president trump is probably talking to mitch mcconnell and paul ryan about the roy moore race. he has other business to do. >> until the congress presents president trump with something to sign and he fails to sign it, any criticism of trump not getting -- it's not really his legislative agenda. it's the legislature. he's pushing for it. until they put something in front of him -- >> no, #ditchmitch. that's very popular. mitch mcconnell will get the blame for this. that's part of this -- >> and it's not even nuance. they know who steve bannon is.
they know the president doesn't-like mitch mcconnell. >> going into the mid-terms, absent that situation where he doesn't sign something, it's clear. after the mid-terms and by the way if we might have a democrat problem with them having control of one of the parts of congress -- >> uh-oh! >> yes. that's what you'll hear. unless trump fails to sign major legislation, it's not on him. that's fair, by the way. >> i want to tell everybody, remind them what we're looking at so they don't think we're sitting on this picture for no reason. it's because the president of the united states is on capitol hill. he just met with the two people that we mentioned, paul ryan and mitch mcconnell. the democrats are thirsty because they think they're about to see a flipping of bicameral leadership. we're all watching because it's our money they're fighting over
and negotiating over. it is a fight when you consider the sticking points are a yes or no type thing. you can massage state and local taxes. if it's a yes or no on obamacare mandate, if it's a yes or no whether you have salt deductions, it's not a massaging. they're deal breakers for some. >> it's a huge deal. theoretically if you're a reason, you can't allow these cities to have these huge budgets like new york city where they're wasting money hand over fist. they're spending 25% more over de blasio than before and everything is worse. homelessness is worse. more trash on the streets -- >> don't even mention the subways. >> yeah. you can't allow new yorkers to deduct that. this causes me so much pain. it's going to cost me personally money, the salt thing. but you have to agree with the logic of it and the theory. you quoted that people that make
$10,000 are going to pay -- >> between 10,000 and 75,000 the next decades. >> and people that make $10,000 don't pay any federal taxes. >> across the country. i'm speaking politically. that statistic when republicans said this will help the middle class, for the middle class, that statistic alone is tough to defend. >> the other things they have to come agreement on is when they roll in the deduction in corporate tax. do they want to do something like what ari fleischer told me recently, the former press secretary for g.w. bush, maybe they do 27.5 this year and lower it down to the 20 next year. who knows. we're watching all of it. these are our dollars that they're talking about. tax money. tax reform. potentially the biggest reform we've seen since reagan in the late 80s. we're watching for it, watching for the president to come out. he's told us once it's going well. what will he say next? our cameras are there. stay close. your brain changes as you get older. but prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient
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>> fox news alert. bomb shell allegations against al franken. that senator accused of groping and kissing a woman without her concert. she was asleep. 11 years ago. doug mckelway is live with the latest. doug? >> the accuser is lee anleanne tweeden. she alleged in 2006, al franken, who was not then a senator, wrote a comedy skit for her and him that included a sexual innuendo. he asked her to rehearse the skit. she said this is not "saturday night live" and refused to include the kiss in the rehearsals. he persisted and she ultimately gave in.
>> he came at me. before i knew it, he put his hand on the back of my head and came towards me and mashed his face against my mouth and stuck his tongue in my mouth. i pushed him back and said don't ever do that to me again. i was so angry. i walked out of there. >> she said the tour wrapped up christmas eve. they boarded an air force
franken grabbed her breasts that were covered by the kevlar vest. he appears to be touching the vest and posed for the frat boy-type of photo. back to you. >> thanks, doug. marie, i going to come to you first. not because he's a democratic senator but something you said. it's time for -- >> people to stop behaving badly. we need to believe women, we need to hold powerful men accountable. to this point, it's been all men who have been accused. and that goes for any party. democrats, republicans, independents. members of the senate, the house and the president who has been accused of things. we need in this country to have a discussion culturally. it's crossed all party lines.
it's crossed into media, sports, crossed into comedy and entertainment. we have a problem. we talk about this a lot, harris. we have to start believing people when they say this is happening. taking it seriously. >> you know, kennedy, i'm looking back -- al franken has been married since 1975 to the same woman, franie. he was in couple a couple years later. the first part, being married, you have collateral damage. this matters, too. so on twitter as the #me2 campaign has going on, this is al franken. sexual violence is not taken lightly. we need to support survivors. kennedy? >> there's a strata of these things. one, when victims of stuff like this, see stories about harvey
weinstein and roy moore and lord knows how many other names have been put forward lately, it's retraumatizes them and jostles memories. the problem is, there's so many men that have been accused of so much, the most egregious stories get lost in all of that. that's upsetting. there's a difference between someone being a complete buffoon like al franken and harvey -- >> and if he stuck his tongue down her throat, that's assault as well. it makes me think, he said it's supposed to be a joke. i have never understood humor when it's okay to be homophobic or okay to be racist or sexist when you make these jokes about groups of people. when it's okay to say that and
you can't say -- >> like richard pryor. he will explain the difference. there's a big difference between someone being a comic and someone being a creep. al franken here is being a power structure, they field vulnerable -- d.c., capitol hill is up there. i don't think what we're hearing about franken is by any means the end of this. it's the beginning. there's a lot of improper stuff going on -- >> and probably a lot of people. yes, a lot of people nervous at remembering things that they have done years ago and when are those accusations going to come in. >> we're seeing a line move particularly on capitol hill. a lot of discussion about how
they're going to within their own house, capitol hill or congress deal with complaints of sexual harassment and misconduct and so on and so forth. we move on. new accusers coming forward saying they're victims of alabama senator candidate roy moore. how roy moore's campaign is responding today. stay close.
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character, this tweet at the senate majority leader has declared moore unfit for office. dear mitch mcconnell, bring it on! and the defiance building from his fellow republicans for him to step aside. lindsey graham says moore at a minimum was creepy. he's asking for the republican party to do the right thing. >> he was on the no fly list for a mall, which is stunning. it gets credibility to the allegations of these women. i would like the republican party of alabama to step up and fix this problem for the country and for the republican party. >> first daughter ivanka trump not holding back in an interview with the associated press saying "there's a special place in hell for people who prey on children. i've yet to see a valid explanation and i have no reason to doubt the victim's account." just when you think you heard it all, we have this. politico reporting that the gop is asking luther strange to
resign his senate seat to trigger a new special election. i'll go to you. you have to be thinking that everybody is sitting behind the scenes for a plan on how we're going to salvage this. what do you think? >> i do a syndicated radio show. we have a lot of callers calling in from alabama calling in. here's what they're overwhelmingly saying about this. let the people of alabama vote on this issue. let the people of alabama choose their senator and adjudicate this through the political process. that is the way it's set up right now. there will never be legal due process for the accused or the accusers. no one says this is going to trial. so the moment you start introducing what are considered to be outsider plans to influence even on the gop side, i'm saying there's a lot of push-back against that because it feels like the gop, whether it's the state of alabama or d.c., they're trying to muddy this up in a way they shouldn't.
now i'm not an alabama voter. i feel like they would like the opportunity to make this judgment call at the ballot box themselves. they don't want someone stepping in with another plan. >> and they may end up electing a democrat. doug jones has polled within the margin of error. they're looking at these other options. buck is here. i don't think it will help the national establishment in the republican party who already has problems. the democrats could win this seat here. look, a lot of people have said even if doug jones wins, he's a very respectable candidate. when the election comes after this, the republicans will likely take it back. don't meddle in the process. a democrat may win, but roy moore going back to the previous segment, this is serious. these women are on the record.
when you're having to defend a year book and go to a handwriting analysis -- >> louis gilmer, representative in texas, said he's been part as a legal representative of rape cases, sexual assault. he says 38 years is a long time to gather evidence. it would take a long time before they get an answer. but at the end of the day, if alabama makes the decision, senator john mccain has said that he thinks he could lead a coalition to constitutionally make sure that moore would not take his seat. >> come on. republicans -- >> should there be a situation where it was found that roy moore was guilty of something. so mccain's side is let alabama choose and let the senate unseat. from what you're saying and from what you're going to say, kennedy, none of it respects the voter's vote but i don't know how they'll do it. >> it's wildly hypocritical of anyone in the gop to say we don't like the outcome of this election.
therefore we're going to use extra judicial means in order to undo the election results. that's what the democrats are trying to do with president trump and that's why the republicans are swatting them down. it's not okay. so i understand you have a razor thin margin. you know, this is not a trivial concern for someone like mitch mcconnell who is holding on to power. they're trying to figure out some way in a republican state to washington in light of these accusations. one of to suggestions is fire jeff sessions. he's not a good a.g. send him back to alabama. >> he could name a special counsel on his way out the door. there's a lot of things -- that would be quite an exit. i'm just saying -- >> all right. me time. a new report that democrats may be stuck in the past as they attempt to rebrand their image. is the party's old guard shedding out fresh voices? we debate. ♪ what i want, you'
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you can see he's been meeting with -- we think it was speaker ryan and house leader mcconnell. they're not confirming what he was talking to. you can get that taxes were the first topic on everyone's minds as they met behind closed doors and tried to talk about how both houses could come together on a tax bill. they're probably talking about this issue of roy moore as well. i don't know that. i'm just guessing what do you think, buck? what you think they're talking about there? >> i'm assuming that taxes is top of the agenda. i'm not sure. from what i've seen and heard so far, looks like trump is taking a pretty hands-off approach to the roy moore situation, which i have to say i think falls in line with what, as i said, i'm hearing and a lot of others are as well about what gop voters in alabama would like. they want more information, want the story to be followed. they want the election they've been having and want this to go through. trump is trying to allow that. >> where do you think the wiggle
room is on the tax plan? you look at the two differences. you think about it. what do you think ends up falling by the wayside? >> i don't think the individual mandate -- there's the president waving and walking by the cameras, going to a hidden corridor to hogwart and -- i don't believe we're going to get any sound. there he is again from a different angle. >> we have pence in the mix. >> the high five, thumb up. no comments. >> there's so much to discuss. i'm more optimistic. i have no faith in congress whatsoever but i'm more optimistic than my colleagues on the couch, including buck and marie, that the senate will figure out a way to do this and pass it. i think mitch mcconnell is probably exhorting the president to get involved in the roy moore scandal more openly and say
something to try to get more out of him. >> can i speak to your relative lack of cynicism. i hope what you're saying is true. if this congress cannot get tax cuts, they can't get anything. >> they should leave. and they probably will. >> this will turn into a delay pattern. this will be like the airline when they keep coming out saying it's going to be another hour, another hour. >> you know eventually they'll cancel the flight. >> yeah, it's not leaving. that's the congress in summary. >> and however, marie, i don't see democrats as having some bold alternative plan to republicans other than obstruct and resist. you have people in the party leading the party who are essentially 700 years old apiece. >> i think that on the senate side, i actually think there's some democrats that would have entertained this before the republicans got put in there. people like joe manchin, joe donnelly, folks saying that maybe we can take a look at
this. but once you put obamacare in with tax cuts. but the true question here is, what is donald trump saying to them? none of us believe that he's in the intricacies of politics -- >> he's saying get it done. >> the pep rally. a pep rally doesn't bridge the gap between the senate and the house version. he's saying you do it. he said yeah, our jobs are on the line. >> he's a deal maker. so -- >> he doesn't -- >> he doesn't know the details. >> he believes in the corporate tax cut. there's no way he's not a big proponent of that. >> he absolutely knows the deal. he needs to use the policy to his benefit. he knows the tax code in and out -- >> i want to see his taxes. >> what is he saying to the senate about the one-year delay -- >> it's bad. it's a bad move. >> one at a time. >> you cannot run in a mid-term
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now be bold. >> throw a little obamacare into the mix, why not? we expect to see some action this afternoon in the senate finance committee as members work on their tax package, supporters are noting there is nonpartisan analysis saying the middle class would benefit from their tax package. >> to mitch mcconnell's point, every group gets tax relief here. the differences that the burden of taxation shifts so that those at the top and are going to pay a little bit more of the burden and those in the middle class are going to pay less of the burden. >> bob corker of tennessee, jeff flake of arizona have expressed concerns about the nation's debt. g.o.p. leaders will need to assure them that this tax package won't blow a hole in the deficit. some key republicans a tax reform would bring in more revenue by bringing jobs and investment back to the u.s. meanwhile, democrats are taking aim.
>> i've never seen a more blatant attempt at a corporate welfare bill than this bill. they are literally taking money out of the hands of families in the middle class and putting it into the hands of the wealthiest millionaires and billionaires in society today. >> there is also action on the house side of the capital, g.o.p. leaders will ask raking republicans as evening where they stand on the tax reform package to see if they can pass tax reform on the house for this week. >> i think we're going to get this done, there can be three principles that guide this policy, will it simple by the code and will it be conducive to the economic growth. if the answer to those questions are yes, we should be for it. >> one issue making a lot of northeastern republicans from high tax states nervous is the state and local tax deduction issue. it is scaled back in the house, it is eliminated in the senate and a lot of those moderate republicans want assurances from
>> harris: sounds like a deal breaker. our next guest remains unknown, let's bring it in congressman lee's eldon who hails from long island. thank you for being here, you and i have been talking sometime sitting across from each other like this, has anything changed in your eyes in terms of getting tax reform? >> as we discussed last time, it is progress to have the property tax deduction up to $10,000 but when i write all the numbers in the current plan for my constituents, i have middle income constituents who will see their taxes go up. >> harris: by how much, give me an example. >> you have 123 school districts in long island, it depends on what school district you are in, let's say you are spending $22,000 of an itemized deduction for your income taxes plus your property taxes. when you lose of the deductions and run the numbers, you might be lowering rates, you come close but you are not seeing tax
we were going to be delivering tax relief for americans, including people who are struggling to make ends meet. we just need to get a little further along. >> harris: either as many as 22? because if that's the case -- >> i don't know. >> harris: there were 20 of you last time. >> on this particular issue, i don't think so. for the people who are out there saying "why am i subsidizing a state like new york or new jersey or california? "these are states that are net contributors, we spend more to washington then we get back in return. when you look at overall policy of the federal government, these are states that are net contributors, even with the salt deduction. >> harris: americans i talked to don't understand that is much as they understand these words. "why can't they be more fiscally responsible so they don't need to have a different playing field and everybody else?"
it is a sliding rule or they are going to use, all of the state and local tax deductions, the deal is off, is are you your? >> i hear it differently, obviously he is very passionate about representing his constituency and obviously that issue about those deductions is really a big deal, especially to those delegations, new york, california, but i hear from leadership that they are at 218, they have growing confidence of a have the numbers to get through the house and the key here is that the senate bill looks different on that particular issue, a couple of other things, and they believe that in conference committee they can get the bills together to be something that is able to get the votes in the final product. i do think that the leadership thinks they have the numbers they need and they are not talking a lot about it because they feel like they are there.
>> harris: that's really interesting. i wonder how close they are. i guess we'll find out tomorrow night with the boats. where are we in terms of the timing? what do we have, 18 more working days? for congress to get through this, what can they really accomplished before the end of the year? >> the house can move their heirs and to the senate gets out of committee this week. the question is how fast can it move? on its plan. can they get it done before thanksgiving, i don't think that's possible. i think that you are looking before the end of the year on the optimistic side, that you get the two sides together in a conference committee and they push it through. there is a lot of impetus up there to get aw and to work out the kinks as they continue this process. understanding there are bumps in
the road, problems with the bill as it stands, they think that if they get it to a conference committee, they can iron it out. >> harris: we know the white house has given some support, kellyanne conway told me on thursday of last week that she was meeting with chiefs of staff and senate members. you may not see exactly the presence on the hill the way she described it but behind the scenes a lot of push from the white house. i'm looking forward to the tell all you and martha maccallum will be doing with speaker paul ryan. >> tomorrow we will have a town hall in virginia from 6:30-7:30. half of "special report" and half of marco's show, we will be doing it with the house speaker, asking the tough questions, hopefully the one the congressman and constituents in virginia have about their taxes specifically, what it is going to look like and it should be
and now, judge moore's firing back at senator mcconnell. live from gaston alabama. >> senate majority leader mitch mcconnell just spoke with reporters about the allegations concerning roy moore, let's take a listen to that sound bite. >> do you believe these allegations to be true? >> i believe the women, yes. >> judge moore wasted no time firing back on twitter, he tweeted -- mitch mcconnell is not alone in his criticism of roy moore, he joins a chorus of republicans who are saying that the candidate must step aside. over the weekend senator mike lee of utah tweeted "having read the detailed description of the incidents as well as the response from judge moore and his campaign, i can no longer
endure his candidacy for the u.s. senate. roy moore continues to deny the allegations against him and threatened legal action against "the washington post" for publishing them. >> i have not been guilty of sexual misconduct with anyone. these allegations come only four weeks, 30 days before the general election, why now? >> speaking at an event last night, he said he was suspicious of the timing of the allegations release, reporters were kept outside the event, the campaign instead posted his speech on facebook. in the video, moore says he is investigating the source of the allegations and suspects democrats and establishment republicans were involved. doug jones insists his campaign has nothing to do with the allegations. >> absolutely not, absolutely not.
that is another in a continuing pattern of absurd statements that moore and his campaign have made, not just in the course of this campaign but in the course of his career. >> jones and moore face-off in the december 12 general election here in alabama. >> harris: thank you very much, coming up in this hour will be talking with one senator who made his opinion about the whole thing very well known on saturday, we will bring him on board and ask him about it. also, this fox news alert, president trump wrapping up his asia trip, clarifying comments he made about russian election meddling and let him reboot his denials of it. the president sparked a lot of backlash who thought he said he believed vladimir putin's claims. the president explained later that he stands by the assessment of our u.s. intelligence community. >> i believe he feels that he and russia did not meddle in the election. as to whether i believe it or not, i am with our agencies, i
believe in our intel agencies, our intelligence agencies. >> harris: the president added he thinks getting along with the russia to work on issues like syria and north korea would be an asset to our country and the world but james clapper had this morning. >> the russians are going to pursue like interest with us, i think it is very naive and perilous to this country to make an assumption that russia is going to behave with the best interests of the world or the united states in mind, they are not. >> harris: for more on this, let's bring in a former foreign policy advisor to the obama campaign and a former state apartment official as well. the lot is being said about the way the president phrased something but does he have a point when he says "we have bigger fish to fry on the
international stage? >> it is clear that russia intended to interfere in our election, anyone who doesn't see that can read the intelligence community assessment of january 6th. it's also clear that putin denies that and the kremlin denies that. what is not clear is what trump actually believes, he has gone back and forth on that, sometime saying he agrees with our intelligence community, sometimes suggesting that he believes hooton when putin denies it. here's the problem with president trump's latest explanation. he now says he believes it's putin believes that he did not interfere. >> harris: i want to step in there, we just play it sounds from the president and we can play more, we can play it again where he says he believes the intelligence agencies. he said, if you listen to the
original context of the quote, we don't have to go back days to do this. if you listen to it, he says he thinks putin believes what he is saying. moving forward, the president says the overarching issue, the bigger issue, bigger fish to fry on the international stage, that was my question to you. we can play it again, he believes the u.s. intelligence agencies, you've heard the president say that. >> he backtracked and said that, he can't say he believes putin believes russia didn't intend to interfere because the intelligence community assessment says that putin directed the effort to interfer interfere. to try and find some common ground, yes, that is important. but what president trump should really be saying is "we know you interfered in our election, we know you've done other things that are against america's interest and we are going to hold you to that unless you do some of the things we want you to do now, like help us get north korea to come to the table. pull back your support in
eastern ukraine, pull out of syria. of russia were to agree to do those things, or hold them accountable for the effort to interfere, that will be a good effort. >> why didn't former president obama do any of these things that fell under his category of leadership? why didn't he do some of the things he could have change? you worked for the campaign. >> you make a good point, president obama also didn't take a strong enough stance against putin and again's roster. for instance in syria where we sort of look the way when russia went into syria and we looked the other way as russia said it was fighting isis but it was actually attacking some of the forces the u.s. was supporting in syria, that was a mistake. it was also a mistake for president obama to not take a stronger stance against russia when russia went into crimea. the differences, president obama
was making statements against russia, making it clear -- he wasn't trying to roll over the fact that what russia was doing was against international law and against u.s. interests and in fact president obama led the effort to put in place sanctions against russia including sanctions against russia for having directed the interference in our election. >> harris: the rhetoric from the former president, his words did not change any of the actions. i give you the red line with syria. there is an investigation going on right now of several usages of chemical weapons on the syrian people, we already have seen with the current president will do. very different from both these men. let's move onto one of the bigger umbrella issues on the world stage that president trump may be pointing to and that is north korea. he's on a very important trip right now, president trump is saying it will be a good thing if you were friends with north korean dictator kim jong un or at least if they
were on good communication basis, he first expressed hope that it could happen in a tweet and then a reporter asked him about it, let's watch this together. >> i think anything is a possibility, strange things happen in life. that might be a strange thing to happen but it is certainly a possibility. >> harris: a democratic congressman tweeted this "let me suggest you try being an enemy he respects rather than a friend." diplomacy takes many shapes and we've heard ambassadors say this, we've heard even generals say this, i have heard it, what do you take of what is happening right now? >> president trump is correct to continue diplomacy including trying to form a personal relationship with kim jong un and may be meeting with kim jong un to try and find some ground where they can agree. the problem of course is that kim jong un does not have america's interest at heart and he has shown no willingness to compromise on his nuclear ambitions. if president trump can use the
formation of a relationship to get things forward in the u.s., that is a good thing but he has to make sure he doesn't let that person a relationship cloud his judgment. i think that's really unlikely with north korea but we've seen that happen with russia, his relationship with putin and is willing to overlook some of the things that putin does have a lot of his relationship about what russia really wants. i don't think that is as likely with north korea, i think he understands what's at stake. >> harris: very strong in your opinions, we will watch it all as it happens. i see a little disingenuousness when you want one leader to meet with putin or rather kim jong un but not with putin, i am trying to understand how you don't want both to happen but thank you for your time. thanks for being here. tomorrow at lawmakers will grow attorney general jeff sessions. democrats want him to clarify
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why -- if you really fire james comey or suggested the president that he dropped the ball on hillary, why don't you pick up the ball, why wasn't the ball picked up on the uranium one investigation. he has few friends on the committee and many antagonists. >> harris: you know how these things go, you will ping-pong between the intense questioning and get to a friend, one is not going to happen? does he have any friends? >> he has some friends. i like and respect him but he is giving the impression to the legal, judicial, and political communities of reticence, hesitation when it comes to enforcing federal law and that is contrary to what his boss ran on when he was running for
president. it's also contrary to what the american public expects. >> harris: he has -- you have part of that make america great again platform that is being walked out by attorney general jeff sessions. this is somebody the president in some ways knows he can count on, do we get to a point where the president says you know what, you didn't go after the democrats -- he has tweeted something like that but not as specific as this. >> can the president do that? yes. it would be seriously demoralizing to the 90,000 people in the department of justice and the attorney to make if the attorney general were to be fired for not complying with the president's tweets. the attorney general knows the president's mind and he knows with the president wants done. the president is the chief law enforcement officer of the land, the attorney general in
implements the president's policies. >> harris: what about this idea, another special counsel, we have so many of them it feels like at times. >> we have one, there is a conflict there, jeff sessions might be a witness for robert mueller and the target -- >> harris: he recused himself. >> do we need another special counsel to investigate the emails, the fbi, the dossier? the justice department can do that job. the concept of an independent counsel should be the exception, these people have no accountability and on limited budgets and they can be dangerous. we should use them sparingly. >> harris: show me an example in history, we've had them and we've known their names, they've become dinner plate names, what is the danger with having another layer of special counsel's? >> the danger is twofold. one is that they are not answerable to the president who
is answerable to the people, there is a lack of accountability. two is, they have a tendency to want to justify their existence and they may be seeking indictments in areas that are not actually under their -- could you imagine if bob mueller spent $100 million of the justice department's budget and had nothing to show for? >> harris: could i imagine it? i think i could imagine it. >> you he want something to show for it, hence you have seen these indictments. >> harris: what would you tell your friend jeff sessions about tomorrow? >> be very strong, be very certain and don't hesitate, enforce the law no matter against whom it is to be enforced. >> harris: thank you for being here. just over an hour from now, the senate finance committee gets ready to mark up its own version of the tax reform plan. i will talk with one republican
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seven brackets, why? speak of the complexity of taxes comes not from the number of bracts is to my brackets, turbotax takes care of that. it also allows distributional equity, if you will. we thought that was important. >> harris: you did not keep any portion of the state and local tax deductions, you took it completely away, you know that when this hits the house, you are going to have some real problems, why did you take it all out? >> inevitably the disagreements between the two go chambers, on the other hand we are united on how we increase tax cuts to middle-class families. if it gives a little bit, i know it will probably have to to pass the house. as long as we fulfill that promise to make sure those
working families get a tax cut. >> harris: i heard you almost say the word compromise, is it going to be a sliding scale, what would that look like? >> i think that is going to take negotiation between the senate and the house. i expect the senate to hold our position right now. the two chambers work out differences and if that is a difference, it will be worked out. >> harris: you sound very optimistic, you start taking out your red pen and mark it up. in about 90 minutes, what goes and what stays, where do you start? >> we've heard over the weekend concerns about various provisions, i have and many others have as well, those will be looked at. we will try to make it -- the bottom line is it pro-growth or not, doesn't preserve tax cuts for working families, or not? if it preserves those tax cuts,
pro-growth, then i think it stays. or it is changed to make it more so. >> harris: certain provisions, can view me an example? >> i would rather not. i hear it here but i hear it differently there. >> harris: that really speaks to the issue of where you guys are, i know how those negotiations can go, if you give too much away before you go into the room it just makes it tougher and you have a stiff deadline, how does it help or not that the president just stepped in and said when we sit down for turkey you have to be done? >> i think there is nothing like a deadline to sharpen someone's mind. i am a big believer that your activity grows to fill the amount of time allocated. now is the time to bring this to a close, hopefully we finish by turkey day. >> harris: i want to move on to something happening right now, we just heard from mitch mcconnell on the situation in
alabama with the judge roy moore and the sexual misconduct allegations about him. over the weekend i caught a tweet and you have joined other senators in line saying you are pulling your support. why? >> if you look at the circumstances and his comments afterwards, the burden of belief falls to the folks making the allegations. judge moore, both as a judge and a man of faith has a certain standard to live too and i think you would agree with that and i think it is important that that standard be lived to. >> harris: there are some in the party and in the senate who are saying he deserves to be able to answer to these allegations but now you have your senate majority leader step up, how is that a game changer? >> i don't know that it is a game changer, the people of alabama will make this decision but i think for the conservative movement, for the things that we as conservatives think are important, it will be better if
someone -- again, i am not trying to take a look at judge moore, i think it is better if a different person steps forward. >> harris: senator cassidy, i want to thank you for talking taxes with us today. i know in just a little while you are going to walk into the room and you guys are going to be marking up that bill, are you confident at this point that you will come out of that, i know you are going to do some amendments but are you confident you will come out and move the ball forward by the end of the week? >> i am confident, if your goal is to give tax cuts to middle-class families, to get wages and benefits improved for all americans, that is a worthy goal i think we can unite behin behind. i think we can produce a bill for that president this time. >> harris: it gets more difficult when you get into
2018, if you don't get it done by christmas. >> i think we will, we know it gets more difficult going into 2018 and because of that i think we will as well as the other reasons i've already kind of said several times, working families need this. if we keep businesses where we need to keep them, i think we accomplish it. >> harris: joe biden says if no one steps up to run for the house, the white house in 2020, he says he is ready but are democrats ready for joe biden or craving some fresh faces? the power panel sits down and weighs in, stay close. mom's got this cold
open to a presidential run in 2020. here he is from earlier. >> i honest to god haven't made up my mind about that, right now i am focused on the book. >> you are not closing the door on it? >> i'm not closing the door, i've been around too long. who knows what the situation is going to be a year and a half from now. >> harris: this comes after "saturday night live" when after democrats in a skit suggesting the party lacks fresh leadership, watch it. >> we haven't felt this confident since the day before trump won. >> our fresh new ideas delivered by fresh new faces, like me, nancy pelosi. >> and me, chuck schumer. >> i'm team player donna brazil donna brazile.
>> harris: you made everybody on the desk laughed with that one. lisa boothe, fox news contributor and the president of my new strategies. it is fun to poke fun at yourself, this is when "snl" is at best, but there's always truth and humor. >> first of all, thank goodness for "snl," i think it got us through the 2016 campaigns and it is certainly giving gettings through this time we have now. there is a bit of truth to that, we have -- i believe the democrats have a huge bench going forward. we have a lot of young people who are new to the party or new in the house and senate who i think will emerge on the national scene going into 2020. at the same time, we do have -- the point of the "snl" skit was to make the point that democrats have to actually be for something. we have to do a little bit of -- >> harris: the other part of the joke was that -- none of
them were those new millennials you are talking about a none of those new millennials are going to run for president. that's not quite -- >> i think there are also questions over what direction the party goes in, there was a new yorker piece basically talking about this democrat civil war nobody is talking about in the mainstream media. now we are in part because of donna brazile's book and what that exploited. he said to the new yorker that basically his concern is that the party is still focused on identity that they are not focused on the economy. i do think that is a concern for the democratic party. we've seen challenges to nancy pelosi and away we had it before, people like loretta sanchez who was the vice chairman of the democratic party coming forward and saying she should step down, congressman ryan had challenged nancy pelosi which was the biggest challenge we had seen to her that we hadn't seen before.
there are very clear risks in the democratic party that they were trying to figure out. >> harris: that door was not open to them. >> we will see what happens in 2018. the president had the best election we had in five years on tuesday night. it we -- the momentum is definitely on our side. >> you are also talking about all democratic states so i wouldn't give you a huge pat on the back for that. >> harris: you haven't heard that message and coming up, you have these past members of the party who keep stepping up and looming larger than the message. hillary clinton, larger than the message. donna brazile, no matter how you feel about that book, it's a page turner in terms of the media, larger than the message. joe biden gets up and the talk isn't the message for the democrats today, it is the same talk, is he going to run before he told us he wouldn't?
>> he spent his entire public service career fighting for america. he's the ultimate patriot but at the same time i would like to see more people run for president in 2020. something very similar we saw on the republican side as well, i think cory booker, tim ryan, mark cuban. >> harris: would you support mark cuban? >> we will see. i support anybody but the current president. >> the problem with grassroots right now with democrats, but i am interesting in saying, you see a primary challenger, another on the federal level four i think what is it illinois, three congressional districts as well. i am interested to see -- >> harris: you are talking about the push left.
the dnc's opportunity to do something with it according to brazile, shut it down and push out the other guy, we call that rigged even though some of them are walking it back. >> the book certainly was not helpful. voters don't want to care and they want to relitigate what happened in 2016. >> harris: someone should tell hillary clinton. great to see you both, thank you, we will be right bac back. i don't know why i didn't get screened a long time ago.
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merinos first time playing for a men's team born as a girl marino has only played on women's teams before through months of testosterone therapy marino has physically transitioned into a man i don't care for this is all for the close ups of. tough giving and goalkeeper cindy now identifies as fabiani as a teacher he used to be missed hslda now he's mr schroeder was a loud laugh a la la la. past the stand. what is it like to play with a men's team as a trans man. the next minute she. crossed. out as the transition from woman to man feel. the central unconscious food been newly. built and with us the end effect i wonder surely. for
vick's. new facial hair grows in chest reduction surgery is still to come change doesn't happen overnight to former women's stories and their transitions into manhood and a new football life now. and i think you're right. maybe it's fabiani last training session with the women's team. for the last six months he's been taking injections of the male hormone testosterone. for now he wants to take a break from playing football while transitioning into a man. by the millions. yeah. yeah yeah yeah. yeah. yeah. yeah if you'd like we could.
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will get one dose of testosterone every three months. this is no more you don't have a kid. and so marino's second puberty begins. to start my new mediums but it might be of interest for him of it. and it's kind of my house and. it's marino is back at work the same day the twenty two year old is a cobbler it will take his body about five years to fully adapt around the same time as normal puberty. i have to scuff you have to try most because i'm full. of this is seven of females put say it's no. no reason for us to chime in with you should out of. the snow my but i thought this one was
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conditions more guns cleanups out because i just rode with me isn't. on. september twenty sixth in the women's team i'm spittle has a captain taking testosterone. it's time for them to finally decide. how much longer marino should be able to play on the women's team. they will be weakened by his departure. as appears. on it as a revision if it's two dimensional things. which i must assume longer are somewhat turned over and. we'll see much of a few present. at the front i had also are. going to go after months of fish dish when i'm tired of months even.
a visit from the german football association i was actually able to contact them that said so. if it. were from any kind. of run i think it's a league game versus s.c. stand chancer. marino has now taken his second testosterone dose if it were professional football it would be considered doping so it's an unusual case for the german football association to. hunt a lot of hearts avoid from the bodies women and girls football division watches from the touchline. at the shifting of the.
merino side heading for halftime with the lead thanks to marinos goal. is he noticing any effects from the testosterone. i've been. there's a flight. but it's not. fabiano now wants to be officially recognized as a man for that he needs a formal assessment from a psychologist and a personal trans history listing his formative memories. and script boilers the halls of the comm or. stayed up that's also. been. overheard
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under the. jesus congregants thing isn't dissing the sequence i have on research. in the second half of our documentary next week we accompany fabiani as he undergoes surgery to remove his female chest. both grasses you have because it's your own or with losses of victims. and the former captain of the women's team reno will start training with the men's team. trying to manage to st. louis who aren't ses and if. we show i so often times with dudes armisen special i'm also a sponsor my. previously two girlfriends now there are two good mates with a unique and genuine friendship. physical attribute all columns one is there to out . the top as it changes of this group for the diminish will prove beyond.
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the battle to save lives as president trump sends a tweet about the fire that baffles even his own staff about the cause of it all. good afternoon, everyone. welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. in the politics lead, rick gates, former number two on the trump campaign grilled right now about the plea deal by defense attorneys for former trump campaign chair paul manafort. gates describing today in vivid detail of he says manafort engineered an elaborate scheme to avoid taxes. prosecutors say manafort's own e-mails show him directing the money to multiple offshore accounts. now, although conspireing with russia on the 2016 election is not officially on the docket, the sub text of it is looming over the trial. gates says that manafort gave some control over a bank account in cyprus of a man of a
up until 2012 for consulting work for a ukrainian billionaire. gates went into detail about how shell companies were used to move money into hidden accounts in cyprus. in one instance, according to gates, a payment supported lobbying in the united states. gates stated that manafort reported some of the payments to u.s. tax officials as loans. though they were, in fact, income. adding that manafort was, quote, trying to decrease his taxable income. prosecutors demonstrated that manafort directed these activities through e-mails. there were hundreds of these gates said in court. adding, quote, typical prak us the wiz mr. manafort to send me a list of wire requests. gates admitted that he used information provided by manafort to create invoices or fake amounts of money for wire transfers but the money never actually went to the vendors. instead, it went to the banks. the purpose of this, according to gates, so that the wire
transfers would not be recorded on u.s. business records. nonetheless, on monday the prosecutors elicited testimony from mr. gates and from one of mr. manafort's accountants that tied manafort more closely to russia. the accountant cindy laporte testified mr. manafort received a $10 million of deripaska, a russian oligarch close to president vladimir putin. she said she saw no evidence the loan was ever repaid. >> our thanks to jim for that report. let's talk about this with the experts. michael, let's start with you. the case is not directly about 2016 election and any alleged russian conspiracy with any americans and in fact the prosecution said they're not going to introduce evidence about that. and yet, we keep hearing about these politicians in russia that have ties to putin, deripaska,
there's the other klemmnick and alleged to be russian intelligence. i know the judge slaps the prosecutor for introducing it. what do you think they are doing there? >> i don't think they're trying to directly introduce this evidence but it's relevant to understand how manafort was behaving. who he owed money to, who he was, you know, the subordinate of as an intelligence matter because i think he joined the campaign in part because of this debt they had to russians, as a way to reingratiate himself with them. this stuff is on the fringes of what they're talking about but the heart of the case is tax fraud and bank fraud and bank fraud conspiracy. >> what do you make of this, introducing the stuff that makes it sure sound like paul manafort had a lot of ties to and owed a lot to people with strong ties to vladimir putin? >> yeah. i mean, you know, in a strange
way the topic is not helpful for president trump at all but in a strange way this trial and what they're talking about i think strangely is. because what's pretty clear is mueller and the team through the underwear drawer of paul manafort and rick gates and know what's there and brought a whole host of charges and looks like they have a locked down case. what's not introduced is any sort of collusion piece that would suggest that any transfer of funds given to paul manafort for any kind of collusion with the russian government and the trump campaign and the core of what we are getting at with the mueller investigation. you know, i think in a weird, strange round about way it's helpful. >> there's a great and interesting story in "the washington post" after joining the campaign manafort sent a message to an employees in kiev about his rising profile and new credibility because he had joined the trump campaign and he asked, quote, how do we use it
>> chairman. >> chairman. people paying attention may see a witch hunt, a trial, a guy named manafort and a clear headline that will give mueller more credibility i think in the public eye. maybe not among his core supporters but certainly people waivering in the middle. you never know. it may for people who have involvement lead them to come forward with more information so this is just the beginning. it is important to draw a connection between manafort and his -- what he owes, the financial ties because this is about the money. a russian puppet that's -- >> that's who he worked for. >> exactly. that's also important for people to know. >> michael, it's interesting. this is the prosecution's case right now. the defense is going do get a whack at it, as well. one assumes they're not going to rest and have to present a case. would you recommend that paul manafort testify? is that something that you as an attorney if you worked for paul
manafort would want him to do or do you think it's too risky? >> you have to see how the cross-examination of gates goes. what the defense is trying to do here is say, gates is still a liar. he pled guilty to lying. he cheated on his wife. he is a bad actor. and you can't believe anything he says. if they feel that they have established that, then maybe don't put on a defense and argue reasonable doubt to the jury. if it doesn't go that way, they have to make a tough decision about manafort. i think he's vulnerable for cross-examination because the documentary evidence here so overwhelmingly shows his hand in the direction of this whole scheme. and you can't put your client at that risk. but they've really, you know, shot the moon here in not pled pleading to the case in the first instance. depends on the cross-examination. >> jen, manafort's accountant
testified and you had the testimony of gates, as well, about russian billionaire deripaska loaning manafort $10 million in 2006 and we know in 2016 manafort according to "the washington post" offered a private briefing to deripaska on the state of the race. also, this interesting stuff about the guy indicted by mueller. and having some control over one of manafort's accounts in cyprus. >> right. never going to be that president putin having conference calls with manafort. right? probably going to be an oligarch, somebody with money, close ties to putin, the government doesn't work there like it does work here. all the ties. what is interesting here is i think anybody could have told you that manafort was a corrupt guy with ties to questionable governments before he was hired by the trump team. >> that wasn't exactly new. >> that wasn't exactly new. not surprising. i was joking with josh and
probably wasn't the rising star of the republican party either. so the fact that he was hired by the trump team with these russian ties is also something that should raise questions and google. you didn't need a big investigation to know that. >> yeah. it was an odd pick. >> we wrote about it at the time. if the case is no collusion, whatever how we define collusion, but i think we are getting closer and closer to overall the entirety of the information we know now suggests not a lot of innocent meetings with russians and substantial and the treat ovweet over the w we're close to collusion and what was the collusion and the extent of it and did donald trump know about it? >> what was the island? i think we have to be careful to separate because what we're seeing right now, no question. paul manafort. he is a bad guy. right? rick gates. seems to me like he did a lot of bad stuff. but that is not proof that
donald trump has anything other than some questionable hiring practices in the campaign. we know that donald trump ran an unconventional campaign and an unconventional white house. >> kind word for it. >> generous. >> unconventional. such a sweetheart. a consequential decision of president trump, whether to sit for an interview with bob mueller and the repons to the worst wildfires in the state of california. white house aides have a difficult time explaining it. stay with us. but do you take something for your brain. with an ingredient originally discovered in jellyfish, prevagen has been shown in clinical trials to improve short-term memory. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. and something amazing happens. that's our inspiration for fancy feast medleys. wild salmon primavera. tastes amazing. also in pate.
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giuliani said, quote, we have a real reluctance of questions of obstruction. cnn's jeff zeleny picks up the coverage of new jersey where the president is staying at the golf resort bedminster. >> reporter: one of the hottest questions of the summer. will president trump sit for an interview with special could ns mueller? they're closer with an exception. rudy giuliani telling "washington post," we have a real reluctance of questions of obstruction. the president's lawyers made clear their concerns about mr. trump sitting for a face to face interview. >> he's always been interested in testifying. it is us, the team of lawyers including me, that have the most reservations about that. >> reporter: if they have left open the possibility the president will override the objections. >> the president may decide at the end to not take his lawyers' advice. that's up to him. he's the president. he makes that decision.
>> reporter: he's also getting input from others during his working vacation at his golf resort in new jersey. including dinner with right wing media friends and south carolina senator lindsey graham. >> this is an interesting dinner. melania was there and it's a good dinner. sean hannity and mark levin and me. really interesting dinner. >> reporter: many friends warn against talking to mueller. >> my political advice to the president not to sit down with bob mueller. >> reporter: yet the president repeatedly says he wants to. >> i would love to speak. i would love to. nobody wantings to speak more than me. >> reporter: so if the president does refuse that interview the question is, is bob mueller going to subpoena the president? of course, that would be without precedent. it could go to the supreme court. the only real historical precedence from the watergate era, of course. that's secret recordings of the white house, not a presidential testimony or interview from a special counsel here. so we'll see by the end of the
working vacation if the answer to the question is no, will the president sit down or not? jake? >> all right. jeff zeleny with the president in new jersey. thank you so much. let's talk about this with the experts. michael, you said in the last block were you advising paul manafort you would not have him testify. he's too vulnerable. what about if you're working for president trump? who wants to talk according to his public pronouncements. who says he has pn't done anythg wrong. >> purely as a lawyer, i would say, don't talk to mueller. it's too dangerous. you don't have a good enough command of the facts. you lie and therefore it's unsafe. but it's a political case, too. and it's not that easy as a lawyer to say to a political client don't talk because it looks like you're hiding something so what i think they'll try to do is negotiate like bill clinton did some type of interview on prescribed
topics for prescribed period of time. perhaps like with reagan, some in writing and some orally. i think that in the end they have a hard time keeping him out of a conversation with bob mueller. >> does this become politically difficult if it does go before the house of representatives? let's say in this game of theoreticals democrats win back the house and some report -- it goes to the house and something for house members to vote on. does it become more difficult for republicans to defend a vote in favor of the president if the president has refused to testify or does it matter? >> i don't think it matters in this environment. i mean, he -- if there's no precedent, except for watergate as jeff zeleny just said, living by a different set of rules relating to what republicans will and won't defend so i don't think it matters for those purposes. i think the risk politically even with him testifying and perjuring himself and caught in
lies but under oath is worse. >> alan dershowitz defended the president on the charges has said that it's not per se a perjury trap, the idea to be lying. it's the idea that he might say something that is in contradiction to someone else's memory and accused of perjury. does that hold water you think? >> seems polite. the president gives speeches saying inaccurate things regularly. the odds of saying something false is pretty high. i would question the premise. he's saying he wants to talk since december. if donald trump wanted to talk to mueller, he would do it already. i think he might want to say i want to talk and not want to talk. >> what's interesting, josh, is even some defenders of the president are starting to get a little soft i think in terms of what might have happened. take a listen to fox news own andrew napolitano and talking
about the case and whether there's a potential crime that occurred. >> if there's an agreement to receive dirt on hillary from the russians, if those agreed at least one took a step then there's the potential crime for conspiracy. >> he went on to say that doesn't involve president trump. but since he says he doesn't know about the meeting. here you have people normally sympathetic voices to the president talking about, hey, might be something here. >> i think he's providing the legal analysis here. i think if we take a step back and look at the calculations that go towards whether he speaks with mueller or the team or not, i think not just a calculus on behalf of the president and the mueller team has one to make, too, here because if you are to focus your investigation or your interview entirely on obstruction or false statements, at this point without proving under any circumstance the underlying case that gave rise to this, being
russian collusion, you are in risky political territory and not suggesting you don't follow the law where it leads even to the oval office. i believe you should. however, there's a political risk here that you run when you bring an obstruction case, a case that is just about the invest, not about the underlying facts but just about the investigation to the american public. >> is that what happened with bill clinton? bill clinton committed perjury. >> look what happened. right? huge public backlash. >> isn't an interview about obstruction, as well, or -- >> obstruction of justice. >> right. >> two parts, the firing comey being one part which is that which executive privilege covers the most with advice. then there's the obstruction of justice, the flynn firing. >> telling comey to lay off of flynn. >> yeah. asking burr to develop the investigation, asking the intelligence people to ask the fbi. there's that. there's the collusion. there are three parts to this thing. all has to be played out. >> stick around. next, the candidate president
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congressional district at the polls right now in a special election but this congressional race isn't even supposed to be close. it's a district that trump won by 11 points in 2016. it's one that hasn't had a democrat representing it in decades. but cnn's ryan nobles explains why republicans are today scrambling to keep this trump stronghold. >> reporter: voters casting ballots tuesday in five different states and president trump is inserting himself directly into the two biggest contests on the map. >> we must elect troy balderson. >> reporter: republicans have held the seat in ohio's 12th congressional district more than three decades but this special election is surprisingly close. the state's governor john kasich who once held this seat blames the president for the tight race. but the gop candidate troy balderson has embraced trump support. >> it's brought so much enthusiasm out to have both the
vice president of the united states and the president of the united states here within six days of each other. it's just huge. >> reporter: the democrat danny o'connor has avoided the topic of trump. >> that's the russia investigation? robert mueller? >> barely ever comes up. >> reporter: the president's decision to go all in on a republican rescue mission in ohio's special election is a winning streak of sorts in the primaries. since june, he's picked winning candidates in 12 straight gop primary contests. a rally that could be at risk in kansas. that is where the president broke with many in his party tweeting his support of chris kobach challenging the governor. >> at the end of the day he went with his gut and president trump's gut is almost always exactly spot on. >> reporter: he failed to come up with the significant evidence of the widespread abuse of trump claimed. if he's the nominee, democrats believe it opens the door for
them to take control of the kansas governorship first time since 2011. both sides attempt to glean a broader message from the elections and primaries in august are much different than general elections in november. and the candidates in these races believe local issues are what will determine the winners and losers. >> what's at stake cannot be understated. >> this is what matters. 12th congressional district. that's who i'm running for. >> reporter: the looming presence of the national political conversation is inescapable and bound to resonate beyond central ohio. despite the national attention this race is getting there is a very local issue that could have a big impact tonight. last night during a rally troy balderson said, quote, we don't want someone from franklin county representing us. danny o'connor is from franklin
county. it is a significant swath of voters impacted and democrats are targeting the voters making sure they heard what balderson had to say. they're hoping in a very close race this could be the difference between who wins and loses tonight. jake? >> all right. ryan, thanks so much. let's talk about this. okay. so this is a district trump won by 11 points. democrat not represented it in literally more than three decades. this is john kasich's old seat. why is it competitive? >> there's no more difficult task for a party in power to get the voters out in the middle of august two and a half months before a midterm. you have discrepancies in voter enthusiasm no matter what. you have huge discrepancies in the middle of a traditional vacation month and the member would serve for basically 30 days so describing how that's kra really live or die to a voter is
difficult and a problem seeing in the race. you know? the other thing is you know democrats are coming. right? we know we have the evidence in pennsylvania. you have the evidence in alabama and virginia and all the things over the last year and a half. there's no question about the enthusiasm of democratic voters showing up. the question is whether the republicans match it. this is close because it's middle of august, difficult to match. >> yet the republican voter registration is much higher than the democratic voter registration. you have to think that balderson the republican has an advantage going into it. >> certainly. while the polls have been kind of closing and looking slightly more favorable to the democrat as we have gotten closer to election day, it is a race that favors the republican. the makeup of the district is affluent suburban district an you have seen big swings, big dropoffs from trump's numbers in places like pennsylvania where voters typically voted democratic but swung to trump and then swung back in these specials, this is sort of
traditional republican territory. so the question really is, are traditional republican voters who have a habit of turning out, will their turnout pattern match that of the democrats or exceed that of the democrats seeing the surge of enthusiasm with low propensity voters. >> you heard of balderson badmouthing franklin county. it's where there are a number of people who might have voted for trump and might actually not like trump anymore. white women voters highly educated, suburban voters, that sort. >> right. to win a special election or any election you need more votes. the democrat to use this, o'connor can use it to get people out and proud of their place they're from then perhaps he could swing it. ultimately the problem republicans have at a national level here is that they spent a lot more money on this race in this district. no doubt it's a race they should
win and if they don't win or come close they have to look at the resources for the next two and a half months and try to figure out what to do. this is a race to win. there are a lot more competitive races than this. >> perry, i want to ask you about chris kovach running for governor and republicans nationally fearful president trump was going to endorse him as a big trump supporter, part of the voter commission, the vote fraud commission thing they formed the try to find a way to make it true that 3 million to 5 million illegal votes for hillary clinton happened but they didn't prove it because it didn't happen and then president trump endorsed him. democrats were excited about that. why? >> so he was trump before trump was. he's hawkish on immigration. also trump being told not to do something like of course he did it. not surprised. he ignores the political advice and a republican state and still probably win but he is a much
more controversial figure even in conservative kansas and the democrats think it's a more chance to win this state over brown and fairly unpopular in kansas and i think makes a more winnable race for the democrats and still think kobach has the advantage. >> this is an obviously pattern with president trump. the party advised him stay out of the primary. and then he's involved in the florida governor's race. primary race. picked a congressman over the front-runner and in georgia endorsed kemp for governor and won. south carolina obviously against mark sanford and he lost the seat in the process. why do you think he does this? how frustrating is this for the establishment? >> i'll be honest. i don't think they're actually is a whole lot of evidence that he has been totally unconventional in this area. talking about a few where there's been disagreement in the party of who to endorse and the
vast majority of races and he's pretty much endorsed who the republican party would want him to endorse. >> kobach. >> that's the riskiest endorsement to date. in florida he has momentum. this is somebody that -- >> because of trump. doesn't he have the momentum because of trump? >> potentially. the campaign was working anyway. my point is he's not going out and taking on a freight train here. i mean, he's endorsed a candidate that looks like they're going to win in almost every one of the races. >> there have been times where he has taken advice from the political class in a way that's -- >> luther strange. >> -- surprised me. criticized trump over the "access hollywood" tape. wound up getting primaried. having to go to a run-off and then trump sort of forgave and endorsed her and she made it
through safely and there have been moments. >> i was just going do say that's a really good point and not talking about tuesday is the missouri primary for senate. right? which is the president very quickly put together, you know, the entire political apparatus of josh holly. >> right. >> a ton of those stories around the country that he's actually played a constructive -- >> last week, trump did not endorse and endorsing people probably going to win anyway. that's smart, good. >> all right. stick around. next, the moral argument to impeach the president, vice president pence disagrees mike pence on the matter. what am i talking about? stay with us. there's a lot to love about medicare.
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we're back with the politics lead and a call for higher moral standards for the president of the united states. the charge reads, quote, if you and i fall into bad moral habits we harm our families, employers and friends. president of the united states can incinerate the planet. unquote. that's not from a critic of president trump but from vice president mike pence and talking in 1999 about then president bill clinton. this was all discovered in k-file. when the person with questionable morals is donald trump, apparently pence is more forgiving. here he is days after the "access hollywood" tape dropped in 2016. >> the donald trump that i have come to know that my family has come to know and spent considerable amount of time with is someone who has a long record of not only, you know, loving his family, lifting his family up, but employing and promoting women in positions of authority
in his company. >> but again, let's talk about this with the experts. this was a very, very strong moral stand by someone that's devout and serious about his faith. we can harm our families, employers and friends. the president of the united states, if he falls in bad moral habits he can incinerate the planet. >> called for him to resign or be removed from office. >> bill clinton. >> bill clinton, yes. the internet can be inconvenient. this is the right time to remind people if he was not the running mate for president trump he would have probably lost re-election and no political future. this is a guy desperate to be in the good graces, he's had to be loyal to him because he's his vice president and obviously put his own moral compass to the side in the process. >> in 1998, pence said, quote, in a day when reckless sexual activity is manifesting on the staggering rates of divorce now more than ever america needs to look to her first family as role
models writing about bill clinton. i think it gets at something in the culture which is very devout christians conservative kind of willing to look away from donald trump's personal life. >> this is shown up in the polls. about once a month or so a study coming out taking a look at attitudes on something like extramarital affairs or moral behaviors condemned by the evangelical leaders and you have seen this shift, this pretty wild shift in the last year and a half, two years of the evangelical community writ large and especially those leetdeader used to say it's wrong but i excuse it. it's a difference of younger evangelicals and those leaders who have been more flexible. >> older ones? >> younger evangelicals view the faith and what they expect out of leaders in a different way and this is something that's shown up in poll after poll,
this sort of flexibility. >> cnn spoke with voters who voted for trump in 2016. take a listen to one woman's view of him now. >> i worked with a hot of hispanic evan gel kaels that are pro life. caring about family, jobs, faith and education. top for us. president trump delivering on those things. this rhetoric of he tweeted this or he does this, i don't care about that. >> is that where we are? about actions. >> josh will know neil gorsuch. brett kavanaugh. they have rewarded trump governing in a way i didn't expect. more conservative on policy on like issues of abortion and 2016 trump campaign is moderate. governed in a conservative way and mike pence is not as loyal to trump and arguably the most loyal vice president i can remember. there's been very little,
considering how much trump bungled, i can't think off the record he objected to. i think if it's a mike pence's policies enacted by donald trump mike pence is not president. >> and i mean, just to remind our viewers, this is a president who's now lied about a payment to a porn star for an alleged affair, there's a whole other scandal involving the 1998 playboy playmate of the year karen mcdougall. are we in a period now where the conduct of a president's personal life, talk about democrats presidents at another time i suppose, doesn't matter anymore for people whom religion is very important? >> two observations to make. one, i think what we found out in late '90s and the american people have not a lot of tolerance for moralizing. what they care much more for is what happens. and what a president is actually doing. and with bill clinton in the late '90s you saw republicans take a bath as a result of
moralizing with him and with democrats you see perhaps something similar happening with those core conservative voters. second observations is with the voerts, these are not flippant voters. they're -- they have core convictions. they vote on issues and for time and time again, they have been told a lot of stories about things that don't happen. and what they're watching with this president -- >> what do you mean by that? >> people pro life or they're -- you know, marriage or pro life, core to that constituency, they believe they have been told a lot of stories by politicians that have not come to fruition and watched with this president in the year and a half is govern more conservatively than any republican president before them so they're not looking for a perfect messenger. they're looking for somebody with results in the policy realm and what they vote for and i think perfectly articulated by that segment there. >> let me ask you to put the
shoe on the other foot. are evangelical voters not just what feminist voters were in the late '90s, vote for what they do and not the personal life? any feminist looks at bill clinton life, personal life, find a lot that's wanting. >> look. i think that's an interesting comparison. i'm wrapping my head around it. >> they're more happy, focused on what president clinton or president trump are doing for them and less focused on the personal life. >> a point that i agree with actually, people decide what they care most about and put to the side and rarely a perfect politician, no matter what your interest is or what issue you care about. so in this case, that may be it. look. i think i have an issue with feminist perhaps universally voting for bill clinton just as i have an issue with evangelicals voting for donald trump because saying your biggest issues are moral issues and a devout follower of jesus
then how can you follow this guy? and, you know, i think you can make the same argument fairly of people following a guy who had an affair with an intern. it's fair but i think we're in the present day and there's a conflict, like a conflicting morality issue with evangelicals i can't get myself orr. >> what would mike pence make of this? >> his comment in 1999 versus now? i mean, in public to list donald trump's policy -- >> no, no. sodium pentathol. he was talking about the porngs of a preside importance of a president leading a moral christian life. >> delivering on policy. >> okay. >> a "snl" skit in the room with his wife saying one day that guy will be out and i'll be in and i
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what that means because they're not sure what he's talking about and experts say the president's way off. stephanie elam is on the ground for us in california. >> reporter: cataclysmic wildfires breaking records. the mendocino complex fire charring almost 300,000 acres, the largest wildfire in state history. so far, it's scorched an area larger than all of new york city's five boroughs put together. another fire erupting monday in orange and riverside counties, the holy fire has already burned over 4,000 acres. across the golden state, 17 large fires are raging as more than 14,000 firefighters battle the fast-moving flames. that are spurred on by dry and windy conditions. president trump assigning blame monday linking the long-running water coverage to the intensity
and spread of fires tweeting california wildfires made so much worse by the bad environmental laws which aren't allowing massive amounts of water to be utilized. also incorrect bring suggesting that california diverts water to the pacific ocean saying governor brown must allow the free flow of the vast amounts of water from the north and being diverted into the pacific ocean. but cal fire, the agency in charge of fighting the fires, rebuking the claims in a statement saying there's nothing to release. there's no specifics to the tweet. we have plenty of water to fight the fires. the current weather is causing more severe and destructive fires. white house officials declined to clarify the statements but for the people the concern is less political and far more personal. >> working as best we can with the resources that we have to manage this. but mother nature's taking its
"there's only one thing worse then a broken record, a shifty broken record." i just want to apologize to the audience, that was a terrible shifty soundbite. tyler from kentucky, "watch out for that doug burgum fellow, he has great hair." they're here alone will get you on the ticket. greg know we've got janine from milwaukee, and -- wisconsin, "come to milwaukee, exhibit a city with beautiful people. state downtown, and obraro recap take a picture with the bronze funds. we'll be there in milwaukee the whole week, johnny will be there cutting trouble." johnny from brooklyn, "what about men blowing up candles? is that manly? ." only on a birthday cake. if you're doing it in a dining room, use the software. always remember, i am watters, this is my world. >> ♪ ♪ >> sean: welcome to. >> everyone: hannity." tonight's the left -- it is now falling apart under even a minimal amount of scrutiny coming up we'll show you a mesar moment from disgraced former trump prosecutor nathan wade during a bizarre interview on fake news cnn. also outraged as biden walks a pay raise for the troops after handing out billions to, you know, those overeducated social science major people and ivy league institutions with their massive student loan bailouts and few real-world skills. but we begin tonight in europe where joe spent the day humiliating himself and that's on behalf of america on the world's page yet ag again. he is in italy for the 50th g7 summit, not going particularly well. joe started the summit by awkwardly kissing italy's prime minister, giorgia meloni, on the head, sniffing her hair at one moment seemingly. then he saluted her before shuffling away. then during a power shoot demonstration, biden got dazed and confused. how shocking. and started to just, you know, wonder off like that as other g7 leaders looked on in agony and desperate for somebody to bring joe back in to the fold. luckily, italy's bremen is a very graciously helped biden get back to the group and during the summit, biden also somehow muster the energy for a speech but unfortunately he got distracted by a plane flying over head. take a look. >> president joe biden: to include key parts of russia's financial sector. alloway till it goes over... >> president joe biden: at well as individual -- providing -- radical to it's defense production like microelectronics, machine tools and industrial materials. >> sean: that was part of a gene speech with ukrainian prime minister lasky and after those remarks, biden allowed questions from focal reporters. teemak from the u.s., two from ukraine. of course, reporters were selected ahead of time. let's start with so and so from the ap. and then the questions appear to be prescripted as per usual and then something pretty remarkable happened. one reporter from bloomberg actually there to go off script, causing biden to become very, very annoyed. it's not supposed to work like this. take a look. >> thank you, mr president. i have a question for president zelenskyy shortly an announcement but if you don't mind i would like to ask you about your discussions on the situation in gaza here at the summit. you were asked just a short time ago about it after the skydiving demonstration. can you give us your assessment of hamas' response and do you believe that they are trying to work towards a deal or is this response working against a deal? and what is your message to our lives, including those here at the g7 at about what more, if anything, the u.s. can due to drive towards a peace agreement? thank you. >> president joe biden: i wish you guys would play buy the rules a little bit. i'm here to talk about a critical situation in ukr ukraine. >> sean: the way you treat israel versus the way you treat ukraine, the rhetoric to use about ukraine versus the rhetoric usable in row, yeah, that would be irrelevant question. howard there this reporter though not ask the question that was preapproved by the biden white house. of course, the complaint media mob that they're supposed to stick to the script. half court scott jewell does want what you talking about israel and in order to turn his radical base, he seems to feel the need to trash america' strongest ally in the middle east after the worst terror attack in the history and do what? put restrictions on israel's war for its very survival? against terrorists that oh let's see how in their charter the destruction of the entire state of israel? anyone to force them out of the middle east? and by the way, eight americans, joke, they're still being held hostage in gaza. module would rather talk about is the low proxy war with russia according to biden pallet is far more pressing after years and years of fighting, jonah wants to give ukraine pretty much whatever they want so they can fight there war against putin. meanwhile it's really the america versus putting well is putting handcuffs on israel. she's barely lifting a finger to get any of our hostages home. so far the u.s. has committed 174 billion taxpayer dollars to ukraine in their war against russia while allocating a measly 12.6 billion to israel after the october 7th terrorist attack buy the islamic terrorist group hamas. now for biden this is all political. as per usual. his radical base, they call the shots. he is merely an empty vessel, you know, that complies with their demands. the radicals run that party. ultimately, nothing will satisfy their blood less -- but -- bloodlust against israel and capitalism. they want modern civilization basically to cease to exist as we know it in my name on it replaced with radical marxism, socialism. and frankly they don't like the principles on which this country was created. they hate our system, they hate our way of life. and joe biden is desperately needing their votes among the democratic party as it once was no longer exists. there are part of radicals, are in shambles. we see chaos everywhere, success pretty much nowhere. there are far left protests every day at nearly every single events including last night's congressional baseball game. there are also prominent democrats now trashing joe biden and his mental decline, they're doing it behind the scenes and if they get a little too loudly get brought in and lectured. trenin isn't even losing thousands of votes in the uncontested democratic primary to uncommitted, hundreds of thousands of boats he'd lost. this is what happens when the person at the top is barely able to walk and talk. much less lead his party and adapt to the most radical policy in the history of the country to give in to the radical base of his party. meanwhile it's a very different theory smacked story over at the gop. today former president donald trump was warmly greeted on capitol hill during what was a joint meeting with cong congress. the republican party is now rallying again president -- with president trump and his plan to build the -- reduce taxes, increased energy production. spur yet another american boom like never before. take a look. >> mr. trump: thank you very much. this was a great meeting. this tremendous unity in the republican party. we want to see borders, we want to see strong military. we went to see money not wasted all over the world. we don't want to see russian ships right off the coast of florida, which is what they are right now, that's unthinkable. we want to see this success for our country. and we don't have success right now. we have inflation that killing everybody. we have levels of inflation that nobody has seen for -- they say 75 years. i would say probably all of them are wrong. probably will never seen levels like this before. we are going to end that. we are going to bring back our jobs. we're going to bring back common sense the government. were going to have strong borders and we are going to have people coming to our country but they will come illegally. they're not going to pour in from prisons all over south america and all over the world and it's not just south america by the way. is all over the world. and we're not going to have important for mental institution switches where they're coming from. large numbers and large numbers are -- are terrorist. were not going to have this. so what's happening to our country is of great concern to the group of people standing alongside of me and i just wanted to say that we have great unity. we have great common sense. >> sean: joining us now, someone who was inside that closed-door meeting on capitol hill. is the speaker of the house, mike johnson is with us. mr speaker, will come back at great value. and we just settle one thing wants and for all here. did president trump has been attributed to him that he took a shot at milwaukee. that he do that? >> know. i didn't hear it and i was sitting right next to him. i introduce him this morning to breakfast when he started the day. 's book on our without notes, sean, you can stand up there and hold the four is the lucky ones. president can turn it on his a game and i'm telling you in the room this morning there was energy, enthusiasm, excitement. we had colic in there, sean, were commenting after his visit was this morning, they're house republicans, that they haven't been this excited about the future of our country in 40 years. that's what one of my colleagues pulled me. there's a palpable energy. in his words, something said this morning, he said, "something is happening in america and we see it." there's a demographic shift going on and all these different segments of the population. were headed for a great november, we have to like were ten points behind but i'm convinced donald j. trump will get a second term as president, we're going to retake the republican majority in the senate and we are going to go without majority in the house and that will be a good day for america. >> sean: if you go issue by issue, if you go to law and order, the economy can go to immigration, if you go to america's rule on the world stage, i don't see where the democrats run on any policy of success. let's start at the border. lost part of the fact that we've identified isis people with isis connections now in this country, you know, that we've got people coming from venezuela that we have people coming from yemen and iran and syria and egypt and afghanistan. 30,000 chinese nationals since october. 26,000 chinese nationals last year. tens of thousands of, you know, and breaded joe biden illegal immigrants from our top geopolitical photos. you know, congressman, how is that a mere -- clear and present danger to this country right now? >> it absolutely is and, sean, everyone around the country recognize that. we've been saying for three years every state is a border state now because it is. as you and i have discussed many times have we documented 64 specific executive actions that joe biden took to open that border wide and they've invited all these dangerous people into our country and they've taken up the invitation and come here. it's a serious situation. the fbi director has to buy three or four quick times in congress now in recent months that all the red lights are flashing and what he means is we've got dangerous persons, we've got tariffs on our own shores, in our country because joe biden opened the border wide and everybody knows it, sean. been traveling around the country last month, and then events in 123 cities in 29 states no and it doesn't matter whether i'm in a blue state, in a swing district, the message is the same. that people are fed up with this. they're fed up with open water, where it is doing to them, security, they're feeling of safety and, of course, the cost of living, the rising cost of crime. all of these things that have compounded the problems that we can fix and i think what her that reason american people will give us a chance to do that. >> sean: every crime, every murder, every rape and eventually i pray to god i'm wrong, if a terror attack happens by joe biden's and breaded illegal immigrants in his open border policy is now on 11 million and burning in this country, he got blood on his hands. what does stress -- president trump say he specifically will do on the border? i'm assuming he just said specifically to go back -- when he left office. >> that's the whole thing. president trump is able leader and he understood that he ran on the border, he reminded back in 2015, border, border, border because he's a business that are coming and he got control of it. because he used his authority. he was executive orders for the right policies. he instituted remain in mexico where people had to stay on the other side of the border to adjudicate their claims for asylum. that's a no-brainer. the border patrol agents have told us and the leaders of that agency said if president biden would just issue that executive order and remain in mexico again, we can reduce the floor by 70% at the border. but he will not do it, sean, you know why? you and i know why because they want to open border because they want to turn these people into voters and we are working hard to prevent that from happening as well. so many problems. >> sean: what did president say he'll due on the economy? what did he say he would do with israel, with ukraine? what did the president say that he would due to get energy prices down and get, you know, get the american people, get money back in her pocket? >> a lot. on all those fronts. with regard to the economy we've got to revive the american economy again and we know how to do it because you and i both know after the first couple of years the trenton administration we have the greatest economy in the history of the world not just the u.s. why? because we implemented policies that we've all always believed in. we reduce the regulatory burden on job creators and innovators, entrepreneurs to all of the economy to thrive and we reduce taxes on job creators as well and hard-working families. we've got to make those tax cuts permanent because they're going to expire soon and that will be the largest tax increase in u.s. history if we don't fix it next year and we've got to get to -- in their military state under control. on their joe biden parlay weaponize agencies and smothered american business in the free market. we can reverse that. president trump is ready to a. you got any plans we'll spend all night talking about that. we're excited to to implement those things not anything will get a chance. >> sean: 95 days, congressman early morning starts in pennsylvania. ninety-five days from tonight. speaking -- speaker johnson, thank you. joining us now is south carolina senator instagram. senator, are not of money has been spent in ukraine. it seems in many ways that that has devolved in to a proxy war between joe biden versus putin or the u.s. versus russia. american people putting -- really angry about her mother and relate europe has not stepped up financially to protect their own continent and a. and then you've got what? $12 billion, that's it, lagos to israel. but even worse than that joe biden will not allow israel to fight the war they need to win against radical islamic terrorists that slaughtered them on october 7th, took their own citizens hostage, americans hostage, and he is lecturing bibi netanyahu, the entire time, is not helping at all, and the worst part is, he said the u.s. won't help in terms of offensively helping to win the war on terror. joe biden has surrendered on the war against radical islamic terrorism. can you explain the disparity, because i can't. >> michigan, joe biden is worried about losing support in michigan. is throwing israel under the bus. there's been no better ally to the it -- to a state of israel and president trump. here recognized jerusalem as the capital of the jewish state. you recognize the goal -- not cerium. biden is withholding the weapons israel needs to win a war they can't afford to lose. everywhere israel looks, the radical islamists want to cut their throats. here is my message to the state of israel. help is on the way. president trump is coming back. >> sean: why are you sure certain, senator? >> because american people have had enough of this for couriers of just misery. misery at home. misery abroad. what i would say today about the senate engagement with president trump, he was the team captain and we were glad he was leading us. everybody in that room is dying for him to get back in office. he wants us to win the senate so we can put judges on the bench. you talked about him helping us. it was the single best meeting i've ever seen between the united states republican senators and president trump. he was in a good mood. people appreciate him. he is leading in every state. we need to win the senate back. he is doing better than ever -- every republican senate meant -- candidate. there with the majority incentive is to marry up with president trump and his agenda. it gives us a positive meeting today. you talked about rebuilding this country and i can't wait to have him back. >> sean: did the people agree with you or didn't agree with you on your belief that there should be incredible 15 week ban on -- or allowance on the issue of abortion? put that aside. one thing i would argue and i don't think i'm wrong about is that 2022, one of the main reasons, if not the main reason, the red wave did not occur was because of the overturning of roe v. wade. we had another supreme court decision, it was unanimous today. it was on the abortion pill. i think were up to 60-70% of all abortions are done with a pill, and the supreme court made very clear today that that will remain legal. the democrats will demagogue the issue, but will this ruling impact any or mitigate any demagoguery that will occur this election season? >> number 1, no matter what you do or say, they're going to accuse us of hating women and being extremists. president trump said today that the democratic party is extreme. they support abortion up to the moment of birth. the virginia governor, the old governor, talked about allowing a decision after the baby is born. there the extremist, not us. i'm proud to be pro-life. you know, france limits abortion at 14 weeks. my bill is 15 weeks. president trump said leave it up to the states. i respect that. this will be decided based on abortion. this election will be about your physical security, ears prosperity and trying to get the world back in check before a lot of us get killed. have never been more worried about an attack on our country then i am right no and president trump said he was -- to have soviet ships off the coast of florida. weakness breeds aggression. the day president trump is elected, all of the stops. >> sean: nuclear weapons, hypersonic missiles of the coast of my free state of florida. it almost seems like a cuban missile crisis moment but joe doesn't know. >> well this is the 1930s all over again. why did russia invade ukraine, whited put into it? because he thought he could get away with it on biden's watch. i really believe that. whether they attack israel so viciously? they thought america wouldn't deal with israel. all that changes the day trump wins. i can't wait to have them back in office, the republican senators appreciate this man, so everybody out here watching, do all you can to help president trump because our way of life depends on it. >> sean: it really does. i say this is a reflection -- inflection point for the country, we have all that is a tipping point election. it's weigh bigger. i've never -- and like you have never been more afraid for the country and the state of the world and i am right now. lindsey graham, senator, thank you. when we come back, jim jordan is trying to hold the left accountable for their raisin water -- warfare tactics and organization of -- hell explain straightahead music mark ♪ my back got injured very bad. i was off work for about a year. i heard about relief factor from my wife... i took it every day, three times a day, for three weeks. ...look at her and i said, "the pain is gone." and she said, "i'm glad it helped." i said, "no, you don't understand. it's gone." you, too, can feel better every day with relief factor, a daily supplement that fights pain naturally. call or go online now and get 35% off your first order. 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[ engine roars ] of you start? >> yeah. so, you know, we get into -- there's been this effort to say that okay, these exact dates are at issue and these exact dates are -- i'm getting signaled here. >> can we go off mike for a second? >> yes. >> okay. >> keep rolling. don't stop. >> sean: please pause while we know bring our person being interviewed into another room to give them the answer. you can't make it up. here with more the chairman of the house judiciary committee, jim jordan is with us. before i get to the people that, you know, calendula and alvin bragg going before your committee, let me go back to what we learn in this trial of hunter biden, putting aside the low hanging fruit which has the tax crime but not the various -- burisma -- joe biden like to the cou country, hunter biden led to the country. fifty-one former intel -- officials lie to the country. of the fbi as a venue that really's attorney had a copy of alert -- laptop then you would believe so they were prebunking that in their weekly meetings with big tech and social media companies. and then when asked directly if they knew whether or not this was misinformation or the laptop was real and they wouldn't give an answer. the media mob line, big tech sensor the story. excuse me, is that election interference, jim jordan? >> yeah, and he was election interference literally two and half weeks before the most important in -- residential -- again for me the ruling in a break here in the hunter biden case was really about two things. for anyone who had any doubts, we now know for sure that the laptop was real because the prosecution can play government, david weiss entered it as evidence in that trial. and then second, none of this happened but for those whistleblowers coming for forward. but for shepley and ziglar coming forward and telling us what -- because i was a catalyst for the judge to take there close look that she did in the delaware court or they would have got that sweetheart deal through. so those two guys came together -- came forward and give us the facts. and by the way the story, sean, has stood up. the white house story has changed palatine a story has changed, david weiss' orienting multiple times but not whistleblowers and their story has not wavered one bit because their post -- testimony was true. >> sean: the government has acknowledged something that we knew four years ago, that the laptop was very real. does that know me that hunter implicating the big guy and hunter, complaining bitt bitterly,'s income -- income go to pop's, that hunter -- after talking to eric sherman about which income -- account build pay for pop's home repairs. this issue of burisma, that all of this now come into play in terms of a real investigation and possibly -- if we had a real attorney general that actually believed in equal justice and application of our loss, when he really -- when he be investigating it? and what does it say about the fact that he new the laptop was real for foreclosures and did nothing with her? >> we've sent referrals to this attorney general and i think in four and half months we are going to have a new president and then in january of next year we're going to have a new attorney general so i let that justice department take a look at what we've sent there on both hunter biden and on jim biden. and then these other issues that you've just raised there. but, yeah, i think everyone now who has followed this story, follow the path you been -- 51 former intel officials in this whole story understand that what they were telling us is just not accurate. everyone knows that and again sort of the final step is when they actually entered the laptop as evidence, even though they had it cleared back in the summer of 2019 and they knew all along, the actually entered it as evidence to remove any doubt if someone we have had some. >> sean: those 51 officials have to account for what dave said considering none that i know of ever even worked at the laptop and were they organized by wink antony blinken to sign on to something for no other rea reason, with no knowledge whatsoever except the knowledge that they wanted to put jordan to be elected? >> twenty blinking went with mike baraka put this together many did it at tony blinken -- know what sort of the catalyst for it all and he put -- to get approval from the cia because they had this advisory board to have to sign on anything like this and, of course, it was used to downplay the whole story. and it was used to sensor the new york post, their twitter feed and everything else. they were blocked. and most important leave american people were kept from the information. were not done coming back to more investigative work to group -- to do on this issue and racketeering to do that. i think we're going to find more information and i try to make sure that the country understands everything about that whole situation in october of 2020. >> sean: so no merrick garland has been held in contempt. i would like to know if anything is going to happen to him like peter navarro or steve bannon. i would also like an answer from the attorney general if he is comfortable with letitia james and alvin bragg running on a platform to use there positions of power to go after one man, one family and one organization and i would like to get a better answer as to why the third highest ranking justice department official, matthew calendula, why would ever -- colangelo, why would anyone ever leave the prestigious position to go be a lawyer prosecutor in new york city? because that does not make any career sense, does it? >> no, it doesn't but we'll get a chance to ask mr colangelo and mr bragg those questions on july 12 win they come. and i think there are three big concerns with that whole ridiculous case in new york. first is just a fundamental jurisdictional issue. this was in the federal elections shoe and the ftc said there was nothing there, no crime, no problem so the department of justice, the southern district of new york. who that -- is a fundamental problem, than their due process problems. he had a partisan judge, partisan prosecutor, he had the gag order part -- put an president trump and they never even told us what the crime if they were trying to prosecute for goodness sakes. and finally maybe the biggest concern is the expert witness on campaign finance, brad smith, so the campaign finance expert wasn't allowed to talk about campaign finance. he wasn't allowed to be the expert witness in the courtroom. so we're going to give brad smith a chance to tell the congress and the country what he wasn't allowed to tell the court and the jury. brad smith will be coming as a witness as well. >> ♪ ♪ >> sean: maybe the judge can be questioned as to whether or not he understands what the sixth amendment of the constitution is or his -- maybe he can explain why the narrative on -- identify the crime that trump was being charged with or how they were able to opt charge from a misdemeanor with statute of limitations over now into some election law felony. i would like the answer to that and maybe bring in and grown as well and expand how he came to evaluation of mar-a-lago of 80 millions. when the property is close to worth -- worth to close a million and evidence was overwhelming. jim jordan, thank you. when we come back, the biden white house loves, loves, loves giving out government handouts. know they want to give out and be told you last night deer and birth control. by the way except when it comes to the military. not so interested in helping them out. we'll explain. >> ♪ ♪ (♪) ♪ i don't care if we ever come back ♪ ♪ that i always remember the fun we had ♪ ♪ i love fishing with dad ♪ now through june 14th save 10% on dad's favorite gift, special father's day gift cards, bass pro shops and cabela's. when did i call leaffilter? 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take a look. >> number, have a problem. if not their policy is not their fundraising, it's not that joe biden suffered buffering of the juneteenth party. [laughter] no. the problem they have is there messaging. or just to it planar, it's how they talk. folks appreciate when someone sounds authentic even if their idea is terrible. but when democrats even when they talk about the good things they've done, it sounds fake. >> some of it is -- is this cosmopolitan condensation, if you will. like, you need to -- at business people are that's across-the-board. that's black, white, -- >> and its hispanic. were going to lose hispanic males. going to completely lose th them. >> sean: here with a reaction, with more, chairman of project 21 -- florida congressman michael waltz. let me start with you congressman. our military under biden has gone well, equipment is way way down. militarily, there's a lot of saver rattling going on by china and russia and iran. we've got a little miner cuban missile crisis going on off the coast of our state of florida will apparently the russians have a sub with nuclear and hypersonic missiles on it. my last understanding is the united states does not have hypersonic technology like china and russia does. he is giving free beer and birth control to young people to try and bribe them into voting for him. but you can't take care of our military? that is barely making ends meet? military that we've covered in passed years have had to be on food stamps? >> right. yeah. sean, according to the defense department's own survey, over 250,000 troops experience what they call low food security, 120,000 troops very low. meaning a politically mist meals. and are losing weight. that's not even counting the family members and that's not even counting bidenomics and inflation. and yet house republicans are trying to fix that. it's bad enough that it's happening, it's bad enough we have a recruiting crisis, it's bad enough that they have banks that are literally falling apart with the black mold and pcs in them according to one recent inspection. but trenin is opposing it. so he's going to spend billions on a climate core, is going to spend a half billion inning the palestinians. but when it comes to paying them marine corps, when it comes to the soldiers with their butts on the line for the red white and blue, he's opposed. we're not talking the general started talking about the kernels, we are talking privates, sergeants, corporals. i'm it sounded that there opposed to this given all of the other nonsense that this administration is spending money on. but yet were in the worst recruiting crisis since vietnam. [ engine roars ] it's very real. were losing whole divisions. we can't man and equip ships right now. were trying to fix it. an hour fighting the bite in administration too. >> sean: i couldn't in good conscious advice somebody to get in to the military with this guy as commander-in-chief because he doesn't know idea of the week it is. morris cooper let's look at the demographic problems for the democrats. the core base, they're eroding parts of their base. african-americans, hispanic americans, young people. what are the reason for this? >> first let me say this about this military probably -- proposition. this president has identified every problem that he could, when he was running in 2020, and his solution, spend more money. now that it comes time for us to share with those young men and women are willing to put their lives on the line, this president suddenly just -- doesn't want to spend. you can't be this wrong by accident. know with regard to these other concerns, many black americans are complaining that this president's paredes have everything to do with the cocktail hour in the professor's lounge and absolutely nothing to do with their real lives. it is amazing how many hispanics are saying they are no longer willing to support this president and his party. we are looking at an election where it is possible that a republican me win the hispanic vote for the first time. you are seeing the young votes you are seeing the women's vote, you are seeing so many areas where this president for stewardship of the economy, parade rising all of the progressive agendas over the needs of mainstream america. and it's no surprise that you are seeing americans complain across the board. >> sean: why is it okay for china to have us by balloon or balloon or china distant, you know, be saver rattling, you know, hostile movers against our fighter jets in international airspace, hostile movers against our neighbor in international waterways. now we got russia with a sub, nuclear arm we believe with hypersonic missiles, what is not -- that not a bigger deal, congressman? >> well because at the end of the day, you have an administration that has a concessions base approach. and you've got -- you have john carry leading their doctoral -- allegation over to china the last three years begging them to do more on climate which they know they can take advantage of and then continue their nuclear buildup, their space buildup calendar military buildup. i, this crew is asleep on the switch, sean, and it's going to take an entire content term to dig out of this hole but he talked about it this morning. republican's are regard to hit the ground running in january of 2025. >> sean: it's not iran that's an existential threat, it's russia, it's not china, it's climate change. that's how out of touch there are. insane times. thank you both. when we come back, legendary fitness and health group jillian michaels, wow, leaving the woke state of florida -- woke state of california, story, receipt of florida, she said the woke victim allergy poker just became too much for her. powerful take straight ahead. >> ♪ ♪ weathertech products are designed and manufactured in america using only american raw materials. most competitors make things seven thousand miles away... and then wonder why they don't fit. with weathertech in your vehicle you may hear angels singing as you marvel, how do they do it? 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>> she's not the only person that feels that way and, in fact, i would argue that a lot of even california liberals feel very much the same she doesn't adjust to afraid to speak out. sean, you know that i lived in la for over three years and i got the heck out of the start of covid because i could see the riding on the wall. things were already ten -- woke after taxes and relations were already off the charts weatherman covid started and the only thing they wanted to lock people up for an arrest people for was playing in parts without a mask? i got the heck out of california and came to a great free red states like tennessee and i haven't looked back since and there are so many people, they're doing the same thing. the democrats which inclusively almost exclusively round that state have run in to the ground. only redeeming quality left is the rather. i don't know, sean, you're in florida, i tennessee. i think the weather is pretty weak here in the even better. >> sean: yeah. i, i can't add to what she say. it's not, it's insane and she talked about all the people even having sex with, you know, 14-year-old kids and that's okay? know it's not. and she really touched on every topic. obviously it doesn't sound politically conservative but she's just against crazy. and that's what the left has become insane. >> right and i thought it was interesting that she pointed out on paper, i'm one of them. i'm everything they want to. i should be the person they're courting. however, they've gone too far beyond back -- that and i think what we heard was a mom and that's what fascinated me. a mom because she constantly was talking about my cane or if a child wants to do this, i'm concerned about safety and i think as someone who as a child suffered from childhood obesity, came out of that, she is a fitness group, she had -- she was like goes for me. when i look at her i think that's what i want to be. and yet she has watched society say you know what? the swimsuit model can be obese now, the boy can run against the girl and take all her records, and everything that she has achieved in life with health and fitness can be taken away by the society that says we should look at these people and say this is what we want. this is beautiful. were so happy and she said you know what? i'm just done with it. i want my kids to be safe. i want my kids bodies to be safe filmmaker of. i don't want them to be influenced by this. and she left because of it and i think it's kind of beautiful to have someone leave enough to speak out about it especially as a mom and especially as someone who has bought -- for so far hard for health for not only herself but for other people for decades. she's an amazing woman and it's wonderful to hear her say this. >> sean: yeah. i don't know. i just hope she doesn't, you know, vote democratic in florida win she gets here. otherwise, welcome to florida ground julian michaels, i'll say that. a little sound like in -- going to vote for those policies in the future. all right. thank you, both. when we come back, straight ahead more "hannity." >> ♪ ♪ this is the easiest, non-toxic swap you'll ever make. lumineux toothpaste was made by dentists designed to break up plaque and remove any toxins in the mouth, so it'll deep clean your teeth and whiten your teeth without any sensitivity. find lumineux toothpaste at a walmart and target. ♪ my back got injured very bad. i was off work for about a year. i heard about relief factor from my wife... i took it every day, three times a day, for three weeks. ...look at her and i said, "the pain is gone." it's >> ninety-five days early voting starts in pennsylvania this election matters. et al. the time we have left this evening thank you for being with us, making the show possible up your excite your dvr so you never miss an episode of hannity. let not your hearts be troubled. greg gutfeld standing by to put a smile on your face. have a great night