interest. they were not what we would define legally as whistle-blowers. having two whistle-blowers now who are providing what will amount to evidence where that sntd trial is important. whether any of them come out and speak in public and can be in the trial as witnesses who we see and hear from on television is a second question. but it s certainly legally powerful to have a growing list of individuals who are not only witnesses but witnesses who are not stonewalling the way some of mueller s star witnesses did like don mcgahn. you mentioned the mueller report and a couple of people who got ensnared by the mueller investigation are now doing hard time. you look at this ukraine story. you ve got the secretary of state, you ve got the attorney general william barr, the energy secretary rick perry now, even vice president mike pence. so you ve got several people close to the president. we know that several people close to nixon faced legal consequences. do you think these officials he