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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 08:08:00

started a timer. i heard the thing ticking when he did it. it s gonna go off. the conversation s back and forth, and it went on for quite a while. police didn t know what to make of the man with the bomb. but they knew he was dangerous. and kept a safe distance. it was a stalemate with no easy way out. wells sat on the pavement for 10 minutes. then 20. all the while, tick. tick. the bomb squad was getting close but traffic by now was hoplessly snarled. they d be there in a few minutes. nobody knew if that would be time enough. it s going to go off. he is pleading, can you get this thing off of me. a race against the clock. had you seen anything like it? like that, no. and what they would see as the case unfolded would be darker than any of them would imagine. i was overwhelmed by the dark feeling. if she is at the center on of this, what does it mean? when dateline continues. wicu 12 interrupts this

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 08:12:00

joint aches and pain, or a parasitic infection. don t change or stop asthma medicines without talking to your doctor. ask your doctor about dupixent. wicu 12 interrupts this program. a suspected bank robber who had been cornered by police. forty-six year old brian wells started the day as a pizza delivery driver. then he robbed a bank. now, he was a ticking time bomb. maybe if you get the keys you can undo this thing. the device was locked around his neck like a handcuff. but wells didn t have a key. and he said the bomb s timer was ticking down. i don t know if i have enough time now. wells was on the ground, hands cuffed behind his back and surrounded. police with guns drawn. tv news crews getting it all. how close can you zoom in with that? we re live. well, i need you to zoom in. fbi agent jerry clark was

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 09:37:00

thing went totally sideways. the scavenger hunt turned out to be a deadly hoax. there was no key waiting for wells at the last stop even if he got there. on the ground handcuffed, wells stuck with the script telling cops three african-american men put the bomb around his neck. if he said, i m in the jam of my lifetime. you guys have gotta help me, it might have played out differently? it would have been done that day. he could have said, it s bill rothstein and it s marjorie diehl-armstrong, it s ken barnes. none of that came out? none of that came out that day. marjorie diehl and kenneth barnes and other unindicted co-conspirators choreographed

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 09:33:00

sordid detail. he relived the whole thing from the minute he was picked up that day by marjorie diehl-armstrong, to every location that they went through, and what his role was, what everybody else s role was, and how the whole thing was to go down. barnes said floyd stockton was also part of the conspiracy. stockton, remember, was rothstein s old friend who once lived in his house. when stockton found out he d been ratted out, he decided to talk, too, but only in exchange for immunity, a deal barnes never asked for. so, independently, they were saying the same things. and then the inmate witnesses that were being talked to by marjorie diehl-armstrong, their information independently corroborated. so, everything started to come together. after years of frustration and struggle to solve the pizza bombing, clark was putting all the bizarre pieces of this

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 08:37:00

you ve got a lot of wires. yeah, so you ve got a standard device. pipe bombs, mechanical timers. dennis murphy: 18:34:39; 28pipe bombs are over here. tom stankiewicz: yeah, and mechanical timers that that are the device. and then you have the distractions that are laid in there. the device was filled with things that were meant to confuse this cell phone is a toy. connected to nothing. and some of the warning labels were phony. but it was lethal, with compressed black powder sifted from shotgun shells. stankiewicz s model was built to the exact specifications of the original. down to the make and model of the household items used. this digital timer was designed to sound a warning beep beep in the seconds before the bomb exploded. yeah, so that s what you re hearing right there. gives me chills. makes me want to get away from this thing as i hear it. yeah, absolutely. the bomb was the work of someone with machine shop skills. and, clearly, a devious mind. the origina

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