of course top on the list for the committee. others in his circle as well. maybe even those republicans that snubbed the subpoenas from this committee earlier in may. that includes kevin mccarthy, the republican leader who is in a political fight for his life for the speakership gavel right now. alicia? abc joining us now from the u.s. attorney and msnbc legal math can be fencer of the university of michigan law school and co-host of the hashtag sisters in law podcast. dan fearing the new york times investigative reporter an msnbc contributor. it is good to see you both. barbara you heard kinzinger s analysis of the way these referrals do or don t carry. how are you thinking about them? hoi think the referrals are important. as we just heard, doj is going to decide what it wants to do with or thou referrals typically referrals are a value when they report something that the justice department was previously unaware of. the justice department is most