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but when you compare director comey's testimony yesterday, which was quite compelling, believable and composed to the ways the president conducted himself today at the rose garden, i think james comey is going to win any credibility contest. >> what is your problem with how the president conducted himself today at the rose garden? >> this is a serious investigation, he was standing in quite a prestigious place, the rose garden and was asked if there were tapings, he sort of swintimated there were and said that investigation could be coming soon. there is not a reality show. this is the president of the united states with allegations of obstruction of justice taking place. >> the president did say he was 100% willing to testify under oath. will you call on the special counsel bob mueller to depose the president of the united
his side will be more believable? >> jeff sessions apparently was in the room, jared kushner was in the room. and apparently there's more to hear from admiral rogers and coats. i think that will be telling as to who you would believe in a situation like this. >> but by comey's own admission, there were never more than two people in the world james comot president trump and james comey. >> that may go to intent. >> if there are no taped produced by may 23, what are you prepared to do? >> i'll leave -- we're seeking
this voluntarily. and if that is refused then we'll see if a subpoena is appropriate. >> i know that he has been signing off on subpoenas, i think that's inappropriate. i hope he stops doing that because we still need to work with him on nonrussia related matters and he needs to have credibility when we do that. let's bring in our panel now, kirsten powers, laura coats and professor foley. i have never quite understood what the white house is playing out here with these tapes, the president said in that initial tweet, james comey better hope there are not tapings of this conversation. and then the white house refuseded to say whether or not these tapes exist. from a legal standpoint, what does the white house get for
being so vague? >> i don't know, a lot of speculation here, because we don't even know if the tapes exist, frankly, i these if the tapes do exist, one reason why the president might hesitate to turn over those tapes and be a little bit coy about that right now to buy some time for the white house lawyers and the legal team to assert executive privilege, that's a privilege that covers deliberations between the president and his closest advisors, so it may be that portions of the tapes are covered by the privilege and portions of them aren't. and i think they would probably want to get their little legal eggs in a row before they reveal if the tapes existed. and right now they're under no compulsion to turn them over. >> i have also never understood what the white house gets out of this game dancing around whether there are tapes? >> i don't know what the white house gets out of it either.
having been in the white house, i value the president of the united states being able to get candid advice in the oval office. if there would be publicly known that there was a taping system, to me that's a little bit chilling, i sort of hope that there aren't tapes because i think it's extremely valuable to be able to speak with the president candidly which you can't do if there are tapes there. >> if there are tapes, the american people need to know, correct? >> i think we're all out so far in front of our skis that we need to get back a little bit and get back in the chair lift. we could be talking here about a tape on a cell phone of a meeting we don't even know about or a partial meeting or whatever. right now what is clear to those of us who have studied this white house is that donald trump is engaged in a scorched earth
battle against james comey and he's playing to his base for all its worth. he's trying to discredit comey, he's trying to rouse his faith. he ee's somebody that's worried about down the line, he's gone to the question, comey is a leaker, thinking that is going to discredit him, particularly with his own base, when in fact donald trump is a leaker, he's been a leaker for all of his professional life, he's even leaked by falsely impersonating himself under another name. so this is a big game in which the president and the people around him know that he has been damaged, that these investigations are closing in on him and right now he wants to
push the weight of his followers behind him and he wants to keep them in place so republicans on the hill don't abandon him. he needs to have republicans on the hill saying we need to get to the bottom of whatever it is that this president doesn't want us to know. so he's playing a game here. >> susan powers, do you think there are tapes here? >> i think if there were tapings and they exonerated donald trump they would be released. maybe there are tapes that don't exonerate him, maybe that's why he's being coy about it. does anybody find this conversation bizarre, that this is a president of the united states, it's literally like talking to a 14-year-old, who won't answer a direct question. he's not acting like an adult. i'll tell you later, i don't know, it's this kind of
gaslighting and i feel he's the one who put it out there, he's the one who suggested it, we didn't come up with it, he did. now he can't answer simply yes or no? it's so disturbing i don't even know what to say about anymore. >> the president agreed to testify under oath saying he's 100% willing to testify under oath. next, business sizarre or not, the legendary tapes, perhaps doing what we're doing right now, telling you something is coming up very, very soon. and others are doing everything from obstructing justice to starting world war 3. when you have allergies,
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habit of tossing around all kinds of fakely specific time frames. >> you've said that has given. >> i will let you know that at a future date. i'll let you know that at a future date. >> it they sent investigators to hawaii and they can't believe what they found. >> what have they found? >> we're going to see what happens. >> what have you come up with your investigators? >> i don't want to say that now, but it's going to be very interesting i interesting. >> if i decide to rung for office, i'll release my tax returns. maybe when we find out the true story on hillary's emails. wiretap covers a lot of different things, i think you'll find some very interesting items coming to the forefront over the next two weeks. >> is that a cause for concern,
a subject of ridicule or no big deal? maria, i'm not sure whether dianne feinstein in judiciary committee is responding to that specifically, but she said she wants to launch a senate judiciary committee into whether there's obstruction of justice. this is dianne feinstein who in the past has said she has seen no hard evidence of collusion yet. so this is an interesting step for her. >> first of all, she's been somebody who's been incredibly concerned, i think as most americans are, as the crux of the issue, which doesn't seem to concern the president of the united states, that russia committed an act of war in cyber attacking the united states in interferes and meddling in our elections and it doesn't seem like the president of the united states has any interest in getting to the bottom of that,
number two, i also think it comes from comey's testimony. president trump and his lawyers are out there saying that what comey said vindicated him. what he said when he was fired, donald trump may not have been under investigation personally, but he also said now that given everything that has transpired as of now that bob mueller is going to launch an investigation into what trump did. and those things are key and it's why dianne feinstein has taken this a little more aggressively. >> maybe we'll find out if the president's under investigation at some point. i want to bring laura coats into the conversation, the other giant bit of notes that we haven't seen touched on, when the president says, 100% that he will testify. if he does in fact get called before robert mueller or agree
to sit voluntarily before robert mueller, he could be asked questions, could he not, that are somewhat different or are off topic from the russia investigation and he would be obligated to answers questions which can get him in trouble. president clinton was asked about things that weren't about white water originally. >> the term collusion should come back to haunt him in this instance. there hasn't been a criminal statute. you've got an open investigation, that doesn't have the parameters that doesn't give you the wiggle room to not answer certain questions, everything is fair game. the president has put himself in a very precarious situation, when he said, look, believe jim comey, for the things that sound more credible and make me more believable. but when you say he's a liar,
you're opening up questions that robert mueller may ask, a whole host of things that are investi. if he actually does that, he will open himself up to more criminal exposure and criminal liability and the snowball he thought he had by asking comey about the flynn investigation will become an avalanche. >> scott jennings, on the issue of agreeing to testify or 100% he'll testify, saas a political advisor, if you were asked that question, were you psyched that he said that? or did you say now i know what he will be asked every day for the next five months. >> you have to admire somebody who has full confidence, what he's saying out loud, i'm going to tell you here in front of the
press, and i'm willing to tell that story under oath, that shoshow s he's very confident. i these we should take a step back and talk about what happened this week. pressure the head of the fbi to end, alter or change an investigation. he has a lot of explaining to do. the only person that we found out that jim comey said pressured him was lynch. not somebody from the trump administration. so we're painting a dark picture of what comey said about trump. >> that talking point right now i think underscores how desperate trump is and his supporters are, because they know this dark cloud they're trying to lift could become a funnel cloud.
>> he said a lot of things yesterday, including five times in different ways, that president trump was a liar. >> and he also did say that he felt that he was trying to get him to drop this case against flynn, he was very clear about that, that is how he interpreted what he said to him. so he said he felt pressured. so to the question you're asking him, about how should trump supporters feel when you hear the president saying he's going to do this. at the very beginning of this, i said, probably what's going to end up causing the biggest amount of problems for donald trump and his associates in the white house is getting put under oath and inevitably perjuring themselves. that's not anything against them, we have seen that happen over and over again, scooter libby was found not to be the leaker, but he perjured himself. what started out to be an
investigation of white water ended up being something that he perjured himself. >> carl bernstein, you have seen firsthand how something like a break in can lied to different things, a final word on this subject, we're just at the beginning here. >> i think the final word is, this is part of a huge, small investigation, about what the russians might have done in their context, about russians, ethno russians, former members of the soviet union, that became russia, there's a huge investigation going on, and it's closing in. think of all of this as a mosaic where the pieces are starting to come together.
under oath would be quite something about donald trump talking about what loans he has outstanding or had in the past against russians or ethno russians. and he's going to be asked about that kind of thing. so that's where we're heading. >> coming up, the president said he would testify under oath 100%. he won't be the first president to do that, and it's a pretty small club and it comes with pretty gargantuan consequences, we'll discuss it. americans - 83% try to eat healthy. yet up 90% fall short in getting key nutrients from food alone.
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that, it doesn't make sense. and i didn't say the other. >> so if it actually happens, the president would not be the first president to testify under oath. bill clinton was the first sitting president to testify under oath about his own behavior. our panel is back. doug, it is very rare that presidents testify under oath. it has happened and as we said, president clinton is the first one to do it having to do with a criminal investigation of his own conduct. >> that's right, bill clinton and his presidential history was the hank aaron of judicial testimony. it ended up not particularly well for bill clinton, in the fact that he had to do five
hours with kenneth starr and had to go on to the public airwaves television and say i'm guilty. but the key here is what happened with what ronald reagan did with iran contra, for lawrence walsh in 1998, reagan agreed to answer questions in writing. donald trump's a tricky character, he might say 100% sworn testimony, but i'll answer your questions in writing. you might see his lawyers to deal with it that way, because putting him from front of a mueller for 5 1/2 hours is pretty dangerous for trump. >> he said ronald reagan, so i had to ask you the next question by law here, do you think that the president should testify under oath or i should say out loud in front of bob mueller? >> i'll leave it to the lawyers,
but i like the reagan solution, do it in writing. this is about a war between washington and the washington establishment and a lot of the american people. and that really is what's going on here. and washington, i worked there for a long time, i love the place, but, boy, it is tribal warfare, these scenes that you would see of people lining up in bars in washington, d.c. to watch the comey hearings. i assure you right here in the middle of pennsylvania that was not happening to the best of my knowledge. >> 19 million people watched the hearings on television yesterday, which is as many watched the nba game three, and i don't think you would say that game three in the nba finals is tribal warfare. but i think on the issue of whether or not the president should testify, carl bernstein, you said it would be a
remarkable thing if the president answered questions under oath. >> one thing is once he got in there, if it was open ended it would be devastating and probably would be because it would be a license for a prosecutor to go into all of trump's history in terms of his finances, russian money, russian investments. but there is a problem that i think that he has. and i'll leave it to the lawyers to discuss. and that is activities that took place before he was president of the united states, because a lot of what we're talking about here, occurred before he was president of the united states, including the possibility of criminal activity then, i'm not suggesting he engaged in criminal activity, but it certainly is something that pretti
prosecutors would want to puck -- talk about. and before a grand jury is nixon, after he was president of the united states, he did 11 hours before a grand jury and the testimony wasn't released until a few years ago and it was a horrible picture of president nixon angry, vindictive, and one that he did not want to see released. he thought that testimony would never be released. >> you know, douglas brinkley, one of the things that we have seen from the trump white house, and they have actually looked at the clinton white house how it behaved when the clintons were under siege and they have taken some lessons from that. if you have to look at bill clinton testifying under oath, what lessons should the trump administration learn from that? >> bill clinton survived all of
this, he was re-elected and after he left office in 2000, he was wildly popular. many people thought that al gore didn't win because clinton wasn't on his side. but one thing about bill clinton, he never gave up, he kept fighting and fighting, defending his honor, defending himself. eventually he had to admit guilt. but you have to be careful not to put sloppy sound bites up, i think that's going to be trump's problem, bill clinton now lives in history, it depends on what the definition of is. you don't want to see donald trump going down with it depends on what the definition that certain words are and split hairs because you look guilty when you do that. >> and donald trump appeared just in january in a civil
disposition. they said he lied a full 30 times there. is the president's past, could that be an issue if he appeared before bob mueller. one of the things we have learned from the comey testimony, is that he did various actions to tilt thing to bob mueller, which was that now h has. >> very clear that james comey admitted in his testimony, that he took various actions in leaking, so that he could get his friend bob mueller to act. now right there, that says that there's a problem here. >> he did admit that he did provide that memo to hiss friend
because he wanted to see a special counsel appointed, he didn't use the words bob mueller. >> he's manipulating things. i mean let's get beyond james comey-- >> one of the ways that pundits work occasionally is by taking leaps of logic here, and bob mueller, his name was not even mentioned, there was no special counsel appointed and bob mueller's name wasn't even circulated and you're saying that james comey wanted to see bob mueller appointed special counsel? >> i am simply observing the fact that by his own definition, he's great friends with bob mueller, i'm simply observing that, that is a fact. >> let's talk about what really happened here, and it was one of the most fascinating moments of comey's testimony. he acknowledged and it was a spectacular moment, that he more or less engineered the appointment of a special prosecutor. that was his objective.
not necessarily robert mueller, and why was that his objective? because it is obvious from his testimony he thought there was a cover-up going on. a cover-up in which the president of the united states might well and probably was involved -- let me finish, please -- from his point of view, and also the role of jeff sessions, he went to the attorney general, and told him about his session, keep me away from the president. et cetera. and when that failed, yes, he indeed tried to engineer getting a special prosecutor and he has succeeded. and why has he succeeded? because there's an underlying case of perhaps the most important thing we have faced as a nation, in the kind of attack we have never faced before and -- and we have a president of the united states, who has
obstructed, question meandemean speakings volumes i'm not saying he's obstructed justice, but we'll find that out, but that's where we are. >> jeff, you're going to be back with us and have a chance to respond to that. all the people that watched the comey hearing, all 19 million of them. they have different views that have formed of it. we're going to look at the wildly different takes on what happened, next. l here is supposed to be live streaming the wedding and he's not getting any service. i missed, like, the whole thing. what? and i just got an unlimited plan. it's the right plan, wrong network. you see, verizon has the largest, most reliable 4g lte network in america. it's built to work better in cities. tell you what, just use mine. thanks. no problem. all right, let's go live. say hi to everybody who wasn't invited! (vo) when it really, really matters, you need the best network and the best unlimited. plus, get our best smartphones for just $15 a month. you can request a one-timehe access code to use the atm.
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so when it gets right down to it the comey hearing is really bad for the president or really good. it depends on where you get your information. the president said it was a total and complete vindication for him, which really is not true. and there were separate narratives going on simultaneousity, we're not talking about a mild spin, but wildly different takes, which makes you wonder if everyone was even watching the same hearing? >> a victory for donald trump today, and a massive defeat for the democrats and of course the propaganda media. >> reporter: and some conservatives are declaring victory and saying it's already over. >> i think comey's credibility is zero right now.
he can go back to doing what he promised he was going to do. >> trump's son says the clouds have parted, but if you change the channel, it is stormier than ever. >> today was really was as it was predicted to be the worst day of the trump presidency. it's about hearing from a different hearing. imagine right now at this moment, the seething rage that you know the president is living with. this battle is not going away. it's a choose your own news situation. >> where are we now? hundreds of hours of the shrillest television ever produced adds up to pretty much nothing. >> reporter: fox opinion hosts are hoping for the best knowing
there's more scandals yet to come. >> i think we have about 5% or 10% of the answers to the questions we need. >> we're sort of in the middle, the beginning of the middle of this process, certainly not at the end of this process. >> contradicting trump's son, experts saying this is far from over. >> it my general rule is if things look pretty bad from what we know, it's usually worse. this is extremely serious. >> reporter: try telling that to trump backers like cory lew wanw sky. >> blasting what he callings false statements and lies from comey, the two men can't agree on the facts and in a polarized
media world, neither can the country. >> brian stelter joins us. i was at an event last night and talked to you, everyone wanted to talk about the comey hearing, ea everyone wanted to talk about it, everyone watched it, no a single mind was changed about it. >> i was so struck by trump's son, it's over, the clouds have parted, now my father can get along with the issues of the country. and then reporters saying this is just the beginning, at the best, maybe the end of the beginning, and now we're in the middle stage of this investigation with so many questions unanswered. >> it what's so interesting is that i don't doubt either of your convictions on this or your sinceri
sincerity. that this was good for your side. i don't doubt that for a second, yet we all watched the same hearing, so i'm going to try as an academic exercise to get you to agree on some points here, let's try. maria cardona, do you agree that james comey made crystal clear that while he was fbi director, donald trump was not under investigation? >> yes, and i even said that this morning, i believe. >> yes. >> but this is the problem, he also went on to make crystal clear that the behavior of donald trump, whether you call it inappropriate, whether it's going to come up as obstruction of justice, that he has engaged in up until now has now led to the appointment of a special counsel, and when comey was asked whether he believes that there was obstruction of justice, smartly so, he said that's not up to me, that is something that i am sure the special counsel will be looking into.
he said i am sure the special counsel will be looking into. that means that donald trump will be under investigation for obstruction of justice. >> we'll see. that was a yes, but, answer to my question, maria concedes that james comey said that donald trump was not under investigation. do you concede that the fbi director basically said that the president of the united states lied or was dishonest in varying degrees five times. james comey said that, you may not agree with with that but do you agree he said that? >> on april 10 of 2016, president obama was in an interview with fox's chris wallace. he was talking about hillary clinton's e-mails. he used the words careless or some version of that.
careless or carelessness and intentional. well, you move ahead three months later and there is james comey using exactly the same phrases in his press conference. now, what do we know from the testimony yesterday? that james comey says that the attorney general of the united states said to him he was not to use the word investigation. he was to use the word matter when investigating -- when talking about the clinton e-mail situation. >> i will say -- >> my point here is, the story is that president obama could well be accused of obstruction of justice. >> oh, come on. come on, jeffrey. >> we don't want to go down that path. >> desperation on your part, my friend. >> go ahead. >> folks want to talk about clin clinton because it's more convenient and comfortable. what's that? >> i want a single standard for everybody.
>> look, the testimony yesterday was james comey talking about his relationship with president trump. so that was the standard. that would be the single standard i think that everyone was looking at this hearing for. we appreciate you with us, jeffrey, maria, brian, thank you very much. it's unclear whether the president has recordings of conversations that he had with james comey. plenty of other presidents have had an open mike. we will look at that next. people would ask me in different countries that we traveled, "what is your nationality," and i would always answer "hispanic." so when i got my ancestry dna results it was a shocker. i'm everything. i'm from all nations. i would look at forms now and wonder what do i mark? because i'm everything. and i marked other. discover the story only your dna can tell. order your kit now at ancestrydna.com.
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to president johnson ordering pants. >> your father makes clothes? >> yes, sir. >> you made me real lightweight slacks. >> reporter: the most infamous taping system was during the presidency of richard nixon. nixon began secretly taping conversations and telephone calls in multiple locations of the white house in 1971, including the oval office. time and time again, the president's words were clear. the president was acting like he had absolute power.
even the president's own family was taped. >> hello. >> reporter: it was among his recordings, one week after the watergate breakup that was the smoking gun. number on did everything he could to fend off the investigation. >> people have to know whether or not their president is a crook. well, i'm not a crook. >> reporter: the taping system became public when deputy assistant to the president alexander butterfield confirmed its existence. >> are you aware of the inis installation of any listening devices in the oval office of the president? >> i was aware of listening devices, yes, sir. >> reporter: the tapes ultimately led to nixon's resignation to avoid impeachment. >> america needs a full-time president. >> reporter: when asked by
barbara walters in 1980 why he didn't destroy the tapes, nixon had this to say. >> are you sorry you didn't burn the tapes? >> yes. i think so. they were private subject to misinterpretation. >> president trump says we will find out if he has taped in the near future. the deadline to turn them over if they exist. our legal panel weighs in when 360 continues. y286ny ywty
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PresidentJames-comeyWaysDiscredit-comeyTestimony-yesterdayRose-gardenCredibility-contestInvestigationProblemPlaceTapingsAmericapraise, you talked only about taxes. you said essentially that you have pushed this item for local property taxpayers for the region that albany was very proactive in pushing thistaxpay faso only talked about the environment. this is to eliminate and save new york 19 property taxpayers millions of dollars. if this is about reforming medicaid, why are and you your colleagues only talking about tax cuts? you're praising tax cuts. >> i wholly support john faso and mr. collins' amendment. here in western new york, people are leaving in droves because they can't pay their bills and take care of their homes. what we should do is put the burden on the state capitol because they control how this program is delivered at the local level.
new york is one of the only states that puts it on the taxpayers to foot the bill. from my perspective, this is a great amendment that needs to be supported and reduce the -- $145 million in my low income areas across this district are going to be relieved. that's the right thing to do. >> it's not a low income district. we're essentially talking about a more affluent district -- >> that's wrong. >> put back up the faso tweet because it talks about the amount of money they would save. this is significant amounts of tax money, meaning these are affluent homeowners. wouldn't it be more honest so say, we don't want tax dollars, our tax dollars to go to pay for low income health care? we just don't want it to happen, and it isn't about reform. it's about what you have praised. making sure that taxpayers don't have to pay for low income
health care. >> that's absolutely false. in my district, the average is alary is about $30,000 a year. to say that's affluent is hogwash, and you don't know the facts. we are talking about a program that is unstable and going bankrupt, and it's crushing our local american taxpayers across the board. we need to do better than that, joy. i'm all about trying to put the pressure where the pressure needs to be. the powers decide how this operates and they need to bear the pressure and burden of making sure they are doing the most efficient and effective way possible. >> you're right about your district. i stand corrected on that, but the amendment that you supported is that essentially, you are saying that you don't believe that taxpayers should pay for it, which by the way, is not going bankrupt. impeerically, it's not. what you are saying is you want to take the money out of medicaid. the plain fact here is this is not about medicaid reform. you, sir, believe that medicaid
should just receive less money, and it shouldn't be getting its money from property taxpayers, right? >> absolutely not correct. it will be a taxpayer-funded -- >> with less money in it. >> having a hard time. of course. what you have to do is make sure you don't reward inefficiency like we do now. this is what the problem of the program is. the more they serve, and the more money they spend and get from the american taxpayer. we need to change that formula, and make sure that the form rewards doing more with less, and not encourage us to do more ineffective, inefficient delivery of health care. >> let's talk about the medicaid expansion because this has become one of the sticking points. this isn't about whether or not medicaid spends more minute. this is literally about adding millions of people to the eligibility to get it at all. if the medicaid expansion is rolled back, the people that fit into the new formula, they get
medicaid at all, that means that group of people just doesn't get medicaid at all. what should happen to those people? how should they get health care? >> that's exactly -- when you are talking to people of 100% of the poverty level or less will get medicaid. >> you want to get rid of the expansion. what what happens to those people? they won't have insurance. how do you believe those people should get health care? >> we have to make sure we design the tax credits and health care system that delivers lower cost and get the cost of health care under control so that health care cost go under control and people have act sce to health care. >> the people before the expansion didn't have a policy at all. they didn't have an insurance card to go to the doctor. more efficiency in the system won't change anything. they won't have insurance. how will those people get health care at all? >> absolutely, and that's where
the republican plan puts the tax plan in place to provide them health insurance and the whole idea is to get the health care cost under control. that's the third step of our process. >> these are not people who are itemizing reduction. you're talking about the 25% of the populous. that's not a lot of money. >> actually, joy -- that's wrong. these are refundable tax credits where folks get them up front, and they can relieve the premium cost that they will be absorbing in that policy. as we phase out, that is what we're replacing it with. >> just so we understand, you want to give a very substantial tax cut, in your case. you don't want to taxpayers in your district to fund medicaid at all. you're rolling that back making it unlawful to fund medicaid, and cutover all cost, which
means they get less money, and give them tax credits. that's the plan? >> that's the fundamental essence, is empower people. rather than expanding government to where it's not sustainable. american taxpayers can't foot this bill because they are tapped out. >> all right. i'm sorry. one second. we have a guest here who is whispering to my ear that she wants to ask you a question. i'm going to let one of my guests in. you seem to have a question for the congressman, and if you don't mind, i want to let her ask that question. >> well, the tax credits are less under the senate bill, so they are lower, so while you're taking away medicaid for those people, they won't be eligible for the same level of tax credits they would have been eligible for before. you're giving them less. >> because where we're going to end up, they have to do their amendment process. our tax credits in the house were based on age. the senate took a step in the right direction when you
incorporate income, and that has to be the corner stone, and that's a sweet spot to the finish line. >> you're acknowledging for those people who won't be eligible for medicaid anymore, that the tax credit they receive is less, this would put a greater financial burden on them in terms of purchasing insurance. >> no. they will have -- they will have access to a tax credit that they can access themselves. >> that's lower. >> and find thainsurance that ws for them. it's through government and themselves as individuals. >> i think we understand where you are going with this. you want people to essentially -- it is a rollback of medicaid. it's a decrease, and i want to ask you this question in the end. do you stand by, in the end, the idea that the wealthiest people in this country, as a result of this bill, if it is signed into law, will get a tax cut, if that if they are in the richest 1% is
more than the average in your district? the richest will get $37,230? is that fair to get acted into law? >> there is nothing wrong with reducing the tax burden, and that what we have done here in this bill. and you know what foots the bill, are the hard working americans, and from my perspective, anything we can do to alleviate tax burdens is the right direction. >> you have made it clear. congressman tom reed. thank you for doing this. we appreciate it. >> i appreciate the debate. thank you so much. >> when we come back, tara and the rest of my panel weighs in. you don't want to miss it. a million times. and you always laugh like you're hearing it for the first time. at lincoln financial, we get there are some responsibilities of love
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elizabeth warren had choice words about her colleague's new health care bill. >> medicaid is the program in this country that provides health insurance to one in five americans. to 30 million kids to nearly two out of every three people in a nursing home. these cuts are blood money. people will die. let's be very clear. senate republicans are paying for tax cuts for the wealthy with american lives. >> now let's bring in my panel political marketing consultant tara, investigative reporter david k. jonston, and president of the foundation for research and equal opportunity and former health care policy adviser, mitt romney. i'm going to start with you on this. i applaud congressman tom reed for coming on. it's hard for them to come on,
and he came on, and i thought in the end, he was quite honest about something. which is that if you are a middle class sort of homeowner taxpayer in upstate new york, and your congressman says to you as they did in this e-mail praising their compromise they gave which said it would be unlawful, essentially, to tax those middle class homeowners to pay for medicaid for the urban poor. if you are that homeowner, you're saying, if my congressman is going to give me $265, and i don't have to pay for those people, i don't even know, you might actually say that's a fair trade-off, that all you personally care about is your little $265 tax rebate that your taxes will go down, that you don't have to pay for those people. isn't what the republicans are doing essentially is pitting americans who may not need, not have a catastrophic health emergency now. so right now to them, it's, like, yeah. get rid of medicaid. they only find out that a refundable tax credit may not be great when mom goes in a nursing home five or six years from now,
but by then, mitch mcconnell will have passed his bill, right? >> i think there were a lot of factual deficiencies in the discussion with the congressman. it's important to understand that $882 billion in reductions in medicaid spending, 85% of that comes from the phase-out of obamacare's expansion of medicaid. it doesn't touch the traditional medicaid. there are reforms as well. we can get to that. but the vast majority of that dollar figure is the phase-out of the aca's expansion of medicaid which is replaced in this senate bill, with robust refundable advanceable tax credits that are structured similarly to the affordable care act's exchanges. pretty much the same kind of mechanism to deliver coverage to that same population. that was on the medicaid expansion before. so in texas where i live, there are going to be millions more with health insurance as a result of this bill because texas didn't expand medicaid, but these tax credits will be available to everyone in texas
who is under 100% or 138% of the poverty line. >> how does the cbo get to the fact 20 million fewer will have health insurance? most of that figure, the medicaid expansion if you repeal it, the raw number of people were made eligible for it become ineligible. they lose their medicaid card. so if what you're saying is no, they are just trading in their medicaid card for a different kind of insurance that's a tax credit, how does the cbo get to 20 million people losing their health insurance? >> we don't of course have the score of the senate bill yet. >> the house version is similar. >> right. i think so too. and the vast majority of the cbo's coverage score is driven by one thing, joy. it's the repeal of the mandate of the 23 million who will lose coverage, about 18 million of that is accounted for in the cbo's model by the fact you are repealing the mandate, i.e., 18 million of those people
are only signing up for coverage because they are forced to by a fine. >> you're saying 20 million do not want to be covered by health n. >> that's what the cbo says. >> i don't think so but let's david respond. >> can we step back out of the deep weeds here? >> please. >> think about health care. donald trump once said to me, health care should be like the roads. we already have a rube goldberg machine. let's simplify all of this. we need to reform health care. no reasonable student of this fails to understand that our health care system isn't a health care system. it's a non-system, sick care system. it kills people, it's inefficient, and allows people to game the system. and let me give a simple number. we spend 6 percentage points of our economy more than the french who have the best health care system in the world with no out-of-pocket costs or virtually. if we had the french system it would be the equivalent of
everybody who makes less than 5 $500,000, a year paying no income taxes. that's how much we would save. if tax savings is the goal here then let's go adopt the french system and transfer into it and we can eliminate the income tax for 99% of all americans. the idea that we're going to these tax credits, why are tax credits always the solution to every problem? why not have a simple system. you're an american, you have a card, you need health care, you go and get health care. and then the debate is simply how robustly do we want to fund it. are we going to make people wait two hours to see a doctor or two days? and that's a debate that's easy to have. and by the way -- >> what's important to know -- >> i do want to ask that question of you because we had debates about other issues. typically, your response to what you would say reforming systems in the country, whether it's health care or others is tax credits, meaning that people spend out the money out of their pocket i'm assuming, then at april 15th tax time -- >> no. >> they fill out and get money
back. or sending people a check? tax credits are the go-to sort of conservative solution for everything. >> joy, this is a really, really important point. i'm glad you raise this. the subsidies that people get in the obamacare exchanges to buy health insurance are tax credits, they are advanceable refundable tax credits. and so why i think this bill is such an advance, is just to david's point, i agree with him. i like the swiss model, but not the french model. but we have a lot to learn from europe. this is a system that switzerland has. instead of medicaid and the exchanges, you have to disenroll and enroll with different doctors and different networks and different co-pays. put them on the same system, where if your income goes up and down, you're on the same exchange, with the same tax credits. maybe your financial assistance goes up and down based on income but otherwise you're in one system. that's going to provide better care to these individuals, going to allow them to stay with one physician and one set of people who are caring for them.
and i think that's going to be a much better, have much better health outcome as a result of that continuity of care. that's one of the reasons this bill is better than the status quo. >> let me ask you this one question, tara. you were a business owner in addition. and one of the targets for republicans, one of the reasons that i think they are sort of succeeding in pitting different elements of society against each other and the poor and the elderly and the sick and children don't really have -- they aren't the most powerful constituency in the world. they are on the losing end of this battle. on the winning end not just the homeowner who wants his $265. i don't care what happens with those people far away from me. you have business owners who the one place i will give -- agree with ovik in some of the people that would lose health care, i talk to small business owners who feel it is a burden on them to have to provide health care to employees. so if you have somebody who's got 20 employees and they don't want to foot the bill under the obamacare mandate, they, in
theory, could free 20 people in their mind. quote/unquote free them because they we have to pay for their health care. so isn't that what is happening. it's pitting people who may not want to do this, they may not want to provide this care to employees against people who needed. >> right. well no, that's exactly what this is. this is all about picking winners and losers, right? and pitting people against one another and also playing on people's fears, right? and also misinformation. so for one thing, i am a small business owner who has purchased a gold plan recently on the obamacare exchange for one of my employees where i cover 100% of the premium of that cost and there's no deductible on the plan. so let me be clear about where i stand on that. but, with respect to small business owners, if you have 50 employees or fewer, you do not have to comply with the mandate. so if you have 50 employees or more, then you are doing very well. i have, i'm in the 10 employees or fewer range of this. so that's number one. so a lot of small business owners don't have to.
if you choose to provide it as i have, i am eligible because i have 25 employees or fewer to receive a tax credit which helps me as a small business owner. the other point here is with the individual mandate, this is something i think is missing here. when you take away the individual mandate what's going to happen is healthier, younger people are not going to sign up. that is why it was put in place. so by definition, costs will go up without them helping to subsidize the sicker people who need to sign up. >> this is a great debate. i think we should bring you guys all back and do it again. it's hard to get around the data that's coming out of the cbo that says empirically, ovik, saying 20 voluntary get off but you're talking about medicaid that i don't think there is any one who is on it that wants to lose it. we can continue to have the debate. and i appreciate you guys doing it. tara will be back later.
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not the only thing. >> republican karen handle's victory of the special house election in georgia turned democrats into armchair quarterbacks. liberal dem leaders had a host of reasons for what went wrong. to the party's candidate 30-year-old jon ossoff and some even reached all the way to the house of representatives to blame the party's minority leader in that body, nancy pelosi. her supposedly toxic image weighing down democrats. what's often lost in the blame game however, is the political reality of a republican district that hasn't sent a democrat to congress in 39 years. back with me at the table joining me is jimy williams, and strate strategist jason johnson, so this is, like, the perfect panel for this. i do believe all you, he's not going to win. but the main he's not going to win guy is my buddy jimmy. what happened? you said he wasn't going to win. you want to say i told you so for three minutes or explain what happened?
>> no, simple. it's a very republican district and it doesn't matter how much money -- what is it? $20 million? the dccc spent 6 million in that district and ran ads with pelosi. set the pelosi thing aside. that may have had an influence. that's not my problem. my problem is the dccc blew its entire like bank account but you get my point, on a race of a 30-year-old who didn't live in the district, who had never run for office before, against a very bad candidate, and by the way, the campaign put out a postmortem memo that said ossoff never went below a 50% approval rating. he lost. why would the dccc spend $6 million on that race when on the same day, about 150 miles
away in south carolina, in the old john sprat seat, archie parnell was running he lost that race by 2700 votes. eight votes per precinct. how much did they spend there, around $275,000. they sent out mailers, none of which had archie's name on them. did radio, they did tv, they did facebook. they did all kinds of things. heck, they even wired $145,000 to the south carolina democratic party who then proceeded to wire it back to them for some unknown reason. i don't understand that. what i do understand is this. >> mm-hmm. >> what i do understand is this. the democratic party, the dccc and the leadership, made a huge massive mistake, they could have elected at least one democrat last week, and they made the mistake and didn't do it. >> or the other way you could say is that they lost the ossoff race. they could have lost the ossoff race for free is what you are saying. >> that's right. >> i wanted quickly -- you wrote what i thought, before i get to your piece just the stats, the political report
looked at the rating of the georgia six race and it's r plus 8. 71 republican held districts have a smaller gop lean than that, and democrats need 24 seats to take control of the house. to the point that was made, the ossoff campaign put out a memo where they did a postmortem. georgia 6 a deeply red district. tom price was consistently elected by double digit margins. i think 23 points last time. there are twice as many republicans as democrats. there is no path to victory here without independents and some republicans. in this environment, fighting right wing groups. your thoughts on that postmortem? >> i thought it was reasonable. there was one thing that they were missing, joy, the lesson that could have been learned from south carolina. there's this crazy idea that like when you want to win an election you should spend money on your own people and not trying to convince people who don't like you. the ossoff campaign if there is one mistake they made, they didn't spend enough money in the african-american and latino
community in georgia 6. it's not a guarantee they were going to win but they left that to a lot of outside groups. now the reality is with so much early turnout and so much attention being paid, republicans came out and voted early. the right-leaning independents came out and voted early. ossoff overperformed and you speak to anybody there and that's what they say. they still missed the boat, you need to focus on black men, black women, latinos and single people. more because that's the future of the democratic party. not a bunch of soccer moms that are never going to vote for you. >> jason did write, it's a great piece if anybody hasn't read it. white people generally don't vote for democratic party in georgia or any other southern state. three need to team up with black voters to send a message to trump from georgia. it was a fantasy created by the blue screen, and cgi who wanted a happy ending to the trump narrative. democrats are crying over losing in montana, kansas, south carolina and georgia.
and they are acting as if there was some way they could have won when this they, to jason's point, are paying sole attention to flipping white voters who are republicans. >> right. and so you know where i stand on this, joy. you know we had this conversation many times. i am a big believer in, if you cannot maximize turnout which jon ossoff did, i don't want to -- but if you cannot maximize fully turnout among your own people, then it is pointless to then -- if you can't convince the people who are already ideologically, primarily aligned with you, and just may not be motivated to vote, you're going to have a heck of a time trying to convince people who are not predisposed to your position. so i do think that the thing the democrats need to focus on in my mind is massive voter registration and i think that let the outside groups do what what they do but you need have your campaign need as process for that as well. voter suppression is still an
issue in this country and it's not getting enough attention and it's only getting worse. so you have jerry -- gerrymandered districts already in an uphill battle. combine that with the fact they are active and aggressive efforts going on to disenfranchise people and black, brown, asian, but not just that, white voters who align with the democratic party are having trouble. college students are not being able to use student i.d., gun owner's permit is eligible. early voting being cut. there is a massive assault on voting rights in this country and that's something that democrats need to aggressively attack. >> jason, to that point the thing the democrats do in that vain is say john lewis or do an ad or have barack obama cut a radio ad and then don't do anything in terms of mobilizing black voters. >> exactly. in john lewis is great and everybody heard his stories and he is wonderful but there is this problem. this is the difference, what they did in south carolina. it was very experimental. let's be fair.
if the democrats have focused on south carolina it would have gotten blown out. the reason they did well is it stuck up on the candidate. what they decided to do is develop more targeted messages for african-americans. he didn't just talk about the aca, but you said look, this affects heart disease which affects the black community. turnout has to be specific tike the people that you're talking to. and all too often democrats seem to think that telling black folk and telling hispanic hey there is an election is enough. that is the lesson that should be learned. it's not nancy pelosi's fault, not jon ossoff's fault. it had nothing to do with him living outside the district. it had to do with the basic facts. one last thing, when you poll someone out of congress to join your administration you only poll from safe districts. trump wasn't going to pull anyone from a purple district. >> i think that's the other point. bringing nancy pelosi into it assumes that voters are sort of helpless victims of propaganda like you can just say nonsay employee say, and they say, oh, my god.
i can't vote for them. isn't it also the case, you talk about ina lot, nationalizing these elections isn't also the way to go. you need to pick the district. who fits the district, run somebody and spend some money. right? >> let me follow up on something jason said. the dnc did do that money to south carolina '05 and it worked pretty well. to that point though, yes, look, nancy pelosi you can blame her all day long. if i have hemorrhoids, it's not nancy employpelosi's fault. however i'm also never running for an office no matter what so no one is going to be able to blame nancy pelosi for that fact. in georgia that did work to a large degree. in south carolina, even if south carolina, the democratic party here, had spent that money before they sent it back that would have never shown up on the fec reports until the middle of july well after archie parnell
had been sworn in as a member of congress, so -- the pelosi effect wouldn't have mattered in south carolina. it simply wouldn't have. you do have to -- listen. tara is right. jason's right. voter registration, calling out suppression, that stuff has to be a priority for the parties, building parties means building people. if you don't do that you can't win in south carolina, and so do the -- the dccc, they failed in both of these. >> i like the fact that you called out the dccc. they exist. nancy pelosi doesn't run these, it's the dccc's job to win these elections. and just one more editorial thing. spending all of that money on tv as opposed to spending it on voter registration and ground game might be a problem too. if you did have hemorrhoids i bet you nancy would send you a designer pillow. that's how she -- that's how you know, she's going to send you something. >> i have a designer pillow. thank you. >> you guys are great. tara, jason, wish you were all here. coming up, former actor or acting attorney general sally
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she's following colleague vanita gupta who civil and human rights and she joins me now. congratulations on being one of only three people that sally yates is following and eric holder ab preet bharara, why do you think that a.j. sessions is so fixated on saying that violent crime is on the rise and is it? >> well, you know the administration started on inauguration day talking about carnage in our cities and the country is at historic low in violent crime. there are a handful of cities that have seen a rise but this attorney general is using fear mongering to -- he wrote another op ed in the washington post i think as a result of criticism that he was getting, a lot from conservative colleagues who are pointing to evidence to the contrary, that actually violent
crime is down at historic lows and there is no evident that exists to establish that violent crime upticks in a handful of cities that we're seeing has anything to do with the fact that people with drug convictions aren't serving long sentences. it just defies the imagination, it seems like a highly politicized rhetoric that he's using and it has dangerous consequences. >> and i feel like it is very ideological. jeff sessions when he was in the senate was known to be fixated on immigration and some of the issues and this idea that there is all of the violent crime in the cities and the op ed that he wrote and that sally yates was responding to said it is time to get tough again and he is claiming that somehow the -- i guess he's presuming the previous administration was tough on -- soft on crime. let's listen to a may 25th speech that sessions gave in front of law enforcement officers in memphis, tennessee. >> every one of our citis, no matter who they are or where they live, have a right to be safe in their homes and in their
communities. safe from gangs and rapists and carjackers and drug dealers. we must act to reverse this surge in violent crime and keep our country and every single community safe. >> and he's also claiming that the federal government softened its approach to drug enforcement and crime surge saying that about the administration you are part of. how do you respond? >> you know, again, it is highly ideological. in fact, i would say that attorney general holder, when he instituted smart on crime, which was aimed at a reserve of federal law enforcement resources to prosecute the most serious crimes and complex crimes, was really actually following the suit of countless states in the last several years, red states, blue states, that had recognized that we needed to have more evidence and data-driven policies really driving our criminal justice system rather than a set of
ideology that promoted mass incarceration for the last several years and the smart on crime instituted at the justice department were aimed at the most serious offenses and about trying to take away the really harsh mandatory minimums that tied the hasn'ts of federal judges. you have federal judges resign over the fact that the inability to calibrate sentences according to the facts of any driven crime had just tied the hands of judges and resulted in a grossly unfair racially disproportionate system. and so to say that somehow this was soft on crime is really ignoring the fact that crime continued to go down even while the federal prison population started to go down. and that it is really important for a federal prosecutor to be able to have -- use their discretion to calibrate sentences and to not impose long, severe sentences for low-level drug crimes that has
been the case for far too long in this country. >> and i want to put up this chart that shows the violent crime rate in 1991, and now standing at 366 which is about cut in half. but as we close. are you concerned about the message that this sends to law enforcement, even though we are talking federal law enforcement, but local law enforcement. we just saw the fiphilando caste verdict come back and some pummelled by law enforcement officers ab are you worried about what this is sending to law enforcement about themselves and how they should behave versus the citizenry. >> i'm very worried about this. the attorney general doesn't just have a say so over federal law enforcement, he has a bully pulpit and funding dollars that go to state and local and his rhetoric is taking us back to 1980s policy and undoing the police reform work that has been so important. the good news is i think reform
is going to continue because people see the attorney general for what he is and we have to continue with data driven policies that make our communities safe. >> thank you. much appreciated. thank you. and that is our show for today. join us tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. for am joy. keep it right here on msnbc. card from capital one. with it, i earn unlimited 2% cash back on all of my purchasing. and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business... which adds fuel to my bottom line. what's in your wallet?
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joined in studio by the award winning south african sing a song writes that he was just the forms of billions renowned. dawna. christine one bill welcome to news africa i'm glad you're in nigeria has seen a week off tension off the violence between person police and shia muslim protest is the shia group involved says' at least 20 off its members have been killed the clashes have focused around the parliament building in the capital. members of the group have been demanding the release off a nida who's been held in prison since 2015 baths despise a court order to release him shia muslims for a minority in nigeria about 2 percent of the population but the upsurge in violence
in recent days is provoking fia's the situation could further deteriorate. a funeral procession to 6 demonstrates his shield and monday the day scame when police opened fire on members of the shia group the islamic movement in the geria were taking part in what was reported to be a peaceful march in the capital of bootjack graham suliman lost his son for him it died as a hero and a martyr. i'm very sad that you know just in security trained and paid to do to get dissidence be used again that. it was you that was meant for the body or the protection of these it is to kill my son reports say as many as 11 protests is a journalist and a police officer died in monday's balance dozens more were wounded or arrested human rights organisations are condemn what they will excessive use of force by the
authorities against the shia are protesters this movement of nigeria's says' it will continue its push for the release of their leader despite the government crackdown. we are not if we are understood book on officials they are they are booked out and they are bonded why can't one fight them is because this is. killing or shooting or. details and what you all live only to stop just protests is for the government to respect the law of this land and pretty our leadership from the. brains to exactly has been in detention for the past 3 and a half years his supporters say regularly to the streets of butcher to call for him and his wife to be freed they say that zacky requires medical help already court was given. as is
a key. separately. he years but importantly government ignored the court order which i think is not also good. in security remains tight clashes between police and exec his backers have rates fears that islamic movement of nigeria might turn to violent insurgency. now to the story of one man making a big difference in the kibera slum in nairobi there's a school for severely disabled children but there's no transport service to bring them there and the low income families can't afford to make arrangements to stand you looking you decided he's going to do something about that stanley ok news day starts early as he sets off to take his daughter to school. happy bosy bori had meningitis when she was 3 since then she has been unable to move or talk. stanley
literally specialized center that could offer his daughter the therapy she needed and he soon realized how difficult it is for disabled children and their parents in kibera to access proper care so he decided to help every day he collects kids from their homes and drives them to school. some of these children hit each other some hit the windows another hit himself. i want to about what's happening so i'm forced to pull over so i can control them before a continue. for 40 families rely on the transport he provides without a kidney most parents would be forced to carry their children on their backs. i used to godhood when my back to school. and then. take the
train when sure she was worried for me. i even decided to leave her at home. but said only. good to any. 4 here at the mary rice center the children are able to socialize with each other and get the attention they need. this school specializes in helping children with disabilities and basic education is free to start earlier been able to reach to more children especially especially those with physical challenges coming from. because previously were using a wheelchair and a wheelchair has been difficult because of that area which is available in the world in the kabila. province friend difficult to maneuver using their which are and to some of them were they were killed in those she did. ok new uses his own
money to maintain and fuel the van most children come from families that cannot afford transport. making a big difference in the lives of the children and their parents stanley is driven by a hope. with special care and therapy he thinks at least some of these children will one day enjoy a degree of independence. i always wanted to be a songwriter. write great music perform it around the world. interesting people. travel. to see exciting places. and all of that i just want to. add that south african singer songwriter. by year or so not many can say they have serenaded nelson mandela and barack obama the cheek head and she joins me now in studio welcome to africa i am so excited
that you're here i watched you play perform at the concert house last night here in berlin and your guess it just has this feel good vibe right if you switch your pages today but that's really all of the music that's deliberate that's very deliberate it's really on purpose growing up in south africa and i think i got a taste of life that was unsavory and i made a conscious choice that i didn't want to add any negativity. 2 worlds and i found just shifting one's focus towards the positive actually makes for positive lifestyle fuel. we're going to talk more about your music in a 2nd but you know you've also become a champion for black women in a sense and i wonder why do you think that so many people relate with you as a role model in that sense i'd like to think i'm a champion for women period irrespective of color. and the reason that is being the case is because i've found that i've been so immense pated in my journey. i'm
a woman who runs a business and i've been in business for 15 years very empowered as a as a woman in as well that i really wanted for other women so it's really about sharing everything i haven't had my journey and i really think at it she does everything you know and so i put these things out in terms of everything i do out there in the world yet so out in the world a place that you have traveled your music has taken you places but you are still sort of firmly rooted in african i wondered what is your vision for our continent. my greatest vision is for all of us to just be happy to be quite honest just know that our needs are met the just be happy and know that we can dream and have our dreams come true but i've also realize that it's not about waiting for the circumstances change external there's a lot that one can do within oneself that will then influence how you engage with
life and i feel like that's a point of power for anyone and so that's really my focus is is to push that sort of agenda through education through exposure through networking through sharing. and yeah i've seen it work in so many scenarios that it's something i actually believe in. so your last album you released that in 2016 and i wondered if we get a scoop here and did you are you working on any exciting projects at the moment in the collaboration what but you've got to go in knowing where you're going to mix but we have to keep up with your kind of. i spent about 3 months in the united states working with grammy award winning produces and songwriters and really it's just to understand the process of creativity and i mean you've got global hits coming out of their part of the world and i really wanted to learn as well so. i have a body of work that we've worked on that does come from that it's very exciting it's
very different from everything i've done and i thought it's ok sometimes to just experiment just to see how that goes so the album is african american in every sense of it's really is an infusion of my roots as an african and of course that american flavor so it is quite poppy in modern in many ways but it still has that distance of lira and undeniable african flair to it so i really cannot wait to shared with everyone we can't wait to hear it i mention to the viewers when we win and you see that you've performed for nelson mandela the youth before and that the inauguration of barack obama but i wanted what has been your single most highlight in your career oh acing you know it's been 15 years it's tough to pick one off wow. well i guess performing for africa south africa's 1st black president and america's 1st black president i know that's true but it was quite a significant thing for me. and i guess if there's ever one more song is he going
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then i'll be joined in studio by be award winning south african singer songwriter was just before. news africa. nigeria has seen a week off tension off the violence between police and shia muslim protest is the shia group involved at least 20 off its members have been killed the clashes have focused around the parliament building in the capital. members of the group have been demanding the release of a leader who's been held in prison since 2015 that's just by a court order to release him shia muslims for a minority in nigeria about 2 percent of the population but the upsurge. violence
in recent days is provoking fears the situation could further deteriorate. for a funeral procession to 6 demonstrates is scheduled a monday the desk came when police opened fire on members of the shia group the islamic movement in the geria were taking part in what was reported to be a peaceful march in the capital of bootjack graham suliman lost his son for him it died as a hero and a martyr. i'm very sad that you nigerian security who are trained and paid to do to get dissidence be used again that. it was you that was meant for the body body protection of the citizens to kill my son reports say as many as 11 protesters a journalist and a police officer died in monday's balance dozens more were wounded or arrested human rights organizations are condemned what they call excessive use of force by
the authorities against the shia are protesters this movement of nigeria's says' it will continue its push for the release of the jade leader despite the government crackdown. we are not if we are understood will come officials they are they are booked out and they are branded wake underwhelmed by them is because this is. killing or shooting or this would never. do tell us what to do in your own lives in the only to stop just brought this is for the government to respect the law of this land and pretty our leadership grounds as. a graham sex act he has been in detention for the past 3 and a half years his supporters take regularly to the streets of butcher to call for shimon his wife to be freed they say that zacky required his medical help already court house you know given. this is
a key be released several days for many years but importantly. the court order which i think is not also. in the security remains tight clashes between police and the exact his backers have rates fears that islamic movement of nigeria might turn to violent insurgency. now to the story of one by. and making a big difference in the kabera slum in nairobi there's a school for severely disabled children but there's no transport service to bring them there and the low income families concha for to make arrangements to stand decided he's going to do something about that stanley okin year's day starts early as he sets off to take his daughter to school. happy bosy bori had meningitis when she was 3 since then she has been unable to move or talk. stanley literally
specialized center that could offer his daughter the therapy she needed and he soon realised how difficult it is for disabled children and their parents in kibera to access proper care so he decided to help every day he collects kids from their homes and drives them to school. some of these children hit each other some hit the windows i know the hits himself. i want to about what's happening so i'm forced to pull over so i can control them before i can continue. doing the stuff like 40 families rely on the transport he provides without a kidney most parents would be forced to carry their children on their backs. i used to go on my back to school. and then. take the
train when sure she was poor and poor me. i even decided to leave her at home. but said only. good to any. that was. here at the mary rice center the children are able to socialize with each other and get the attention they need. this school specializes in helping children with disabilities and basic education is free to starve or been able to reach to more children especially especially those with physical challenges coming from cuba because previously were losing their which has been difficult because of the tear in which is available in the world. problems for and difficult to maneuver. and to some of them were to do they were killed in those cheated. okin uses his own money to maintain and fuel the
van most children come from families that cannot afford transportion. making a big difference in the lives of the children and their parents stanley is driven by a hope. with special care and therapy he thinks at least some of these children will one day enjoy a degree of independence. i always wanted to be a songwriter. great music perform it around the world. interesting people. travel. to see exciting places. and all of that i just want to. add that south african singer songwriter. by year or so not many can say they have serenaded nelson mandela and barack obama the cheek and she joins me now in studio welcome to date of the africa i'm so
excited that you're here and i watched you play perform at the concert house last night here in berlin and your guess it just has this feel good vibe right if you switch your pages to it but that's really all of the music that's deliberate that's very deliberate it's really on purpose growing up in south africa and i think i got a taste of life that was unsavory and i made a conscious choice that i didn't want to add any need to that is. the world and i found just shifting one's focus towards the positive actually makes for positive lifestyle fuel. we're going to talk more about your music in a 2nd but you know you've also become a champion for black women in a sense and i wondered why do you think that so many people relate with you as a role model in that sense i'd like to think i'm a champion for women period irrespective of color. and the reason that is being the case is because i've found that i've been so immense pated in my journey. i'm
a woman who runs a business and i've been in business for 15 years very empowered as a as a woman in as well that i really wanted for other women so it's really about sharing everything i've learned to my journey and i really think attitude is everything you know and so i put these things out in terms of everything i do out there in the world so out in the world of places you have traveled your music has taken you places but you are still sort of firmly rooted in african i wanted what is your vision for our continent. my greatest vision is for all of us to just be happy to be quite honest just know that our needs are met the just be happy and know that we can dream and have our dreams come true but i've also realize that it's not about waiting for the circumstances to change external there's a lot that one can do within oneself that will then influence how you engage with
life and i feel like that's a point of power for anyone and so that's really my focus is is to push that sort of agenda through education through exposure through networking through sharing. and yeah because i've just seen it work in so many scenarios that it's something i actually believe in. so your last album you release it in 2016 and i wondered if we get a scoop here and did you are you working on any exciting projects at the moment in the collaboration what but you've got to go in knowing where you're going to mix thoughts we have to keep up with you. i spent about 3 months in the united states working with a grammy award winning produces and songwriters and really it's just to understand they process of creativity and i mean you've got global hits coming out of that part of the world and i really want to learn as well so. i have a body of work that we've worked on that does come from that it's very exciting
it's very different from everything i've done and i thought it's ok sometimes to just experiment just to see how that goes so the album is african american in everything for. me is an infusion of my roots as an african and of course that american flavor so it is quite poppy in modern in many ways but it still has that a sense of lira and an undeniable african flair to it so i really cannot wait to shared with everyone we can't wait to hear it i mentioned to the viewers when we when i introduced you that you performed for nelson mandela the youthful form that the inauguration of barack obama but i wonder that what has been your single most highlight in your career oh acing you know it's been 15 years. it's tough to pick one wow. well i guess performing for africa south africa's 1st black president and america's 1st black president i know that's true but it was quite a significant thing for me. and i guess if there's ever one more time is he going
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