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this is not an ordinary time and this is not an ordinary election. we are going to be choosing a president who will set policy for not just four or eight years, but some of the important decisions we have to make at home and around the world to energy and so much else. so there is a lot at stake. it's one of the most consequential elections we had. that's why i tried to put forth specific policies and plans. try to get it off of the personal and put it on to what it is on i want to do as president. that's why i hope people will check on that for themselves. so they can see that yes, i spent 30 years, actually a little more, working to help kids and families and i want to take that experience to the white house and do that every single day. >> mr. trump? >> well, i consider her statement about my children to be a very nice compliment. i don't know if it was meant to be a compliment, but i'm proud of my children. they have done a wonderful job and they have been wonderful kids. i consider that a compliment. i will say that about hillary. because of that tape. >> he spoke for 40 minutes and 10 seconds and hillary clinton spoke for 39 minutes and five seconds. almost exactly the same amount of time. you didn't hear a robust emotional apology. from donald trump, did you? >> the inbox from republicans, that's one of the things they are worried about. that's powerful for hillary clinton to use him saying such vulgar things about women and he didn't say anything aggressively to apologize. he didn't do that behavior and he was pressed by anderson cooper and he said and talks in the tape about assaulting women. he said he didn't do those and he apologized. nowhere near as aggressive as many republicans wanted. he went into the personal attacks of bringing bill clinton into it. i think it will be based on where do you stand from a partisan perspective. what donald trump is doing is getting more engaged and counter punching. throwing mike pence under the bus at a time when mike pence is standing by him is an interesting dynamic and he did say that yes, he took that giant deduction so he wouldn't pay federal income taxes. you can bet that's coming to a tv ad without a doubt. >> that is true. >> back to you. >> let's check in with the panel of experts. i said it was a wash, but feel free to disagree. >> at the beginning donald trump did the opposite of what i thought he should have done. he said he was embarrassed by this. the videotape. he said it was locker room talk. he did not apologize to the women involved and he kept saying it's words and it wasn't anything more than that. period. end of sentence. so there was nothing more than anything he already said. he had already had the press conference about bill clinton. we knew that story and when asked are you different than at the young age of 59, he said i'm not proud of it and i have great respect for people, my family. hillary got him on that because she said you needed to apologize. for the rest of the debate. i think donald trump when he got over that was more disciplined, attacking hillary on the e-mail issue where she is vulnerable. i think in a sense he may have done enough. she seemed a little stilted at times and i think he may have done enough to stop the bleeding and i'm not sure minds were changed. so much has occurred over the last 48 hours and the last week that people have to digest all of this including the debate tonight to see where they stand. i want to echo one thing that dana said was the mike pence remark. he is praising a dictator who was trying to interfere with our election, period. whom his running mate said we should stand up to and putin is propping up. that struck a note. >> here disagrees with him. >> i'm sure you watched the debate as we all did. we commented on the issues. we are not the same policy. give it a broader look. much better counter puncher. i think he did poorly on that he was much more animated and much better counterpuncher i think that he did poorly on that question and he did poorly on the strange syria discussion where he got off on a rant there. which i think will leave a lot of questions and led to the mike pence question. the truth is hillary clinton has her struggles with the same issues she always struggles with, e-mails, speeches. i thought his counterpunch on the lincoln comment was good. at the end of the day, i come to the same conclusion. i think she probably wins at some point and i don't think it changes much. >> just to set the stage, this has been one of the most disastrous periods for a presidential nominee in the history of the united states. from the first debate and before this debate. did he change that at all? >> i think he stopped the panic among most of the republicans there who were panicking. at least for now. i thought it was basically a draw which is basically a good thing for donald trump thinking that hillary clinton was going knock him out of this debate and have such a strong performance that there would be no question of where this race stood. i don't think she had that great of a performance. he was odd pacing around and standing over here in some of those shots. i think there'll be a lot of material stylistically, for snl, she counterpunched well on the you've been there for 30 years what have you been doing and listed all of the things she had done. children's health care, expa expanding health care. veterans and secretary of state and 400 pieces of legislation. that was a good moment for her. she dropped one of the hillary clinton new information things and the alicia machado things. with she talked about trump gobbling up illegal steel from china. to build his buildings. i bet we'll hear more about that. >> i believe thaefs a news week story about how two out of three buildings that are using the steel that hurts american workers. what'd you think? >> i think the night belonged to donald trump. we're not talking about the trump tape. he was able to pivot away and barely controlled at some point. it was a greatest hits real for the 14 million who voted for him. no hand shake at the out set. bill's infidelities and the e-mail erasure and islam and dishonesty and the media, you will hear a lot about how they reported the role of the moderators in this. i think those who voted for him got everything they wanted in their vote. did he grow? i can't see if there was any outreach. i looked carefully where i thought he could have expanded the base that he already has. not a knockout, but his night on points. >> where could he have expanded the base? obviously there was a muslim american woman who spoke. there was an african american who wanted the country -- african american gentleman, james carter who wanted the country to be united would he be devoted to bring us together? where were the opportunities that he didn't take? >> he could have been more expansive on health care reform and rather than repeal and replace it with what and how and whom it would benefit. he could talk more about the reform he wants in the tax code aside from getting rid of interests for wealthy people. where he always falls down is that he goes on the attack without when a direct question is asked. what would you do about x, y or z, he deflects and goes on the attack that hillary has been here for 30 years and didn't do anything. the way you bring people into the tent is to tell them exactly what you would do for them. like taxes and health care, i still do not think that we got much beyond obamacare is a disaster and why didn't she fix the tax code? and by the way, i think we might have heard him admit, i'm not sure about this, that he did use on the $918 million debt, that he actually used that not to pay taxes. >> he did say. he didn't say how long but he did say he use it. >> i think the trump teams thinks they are reaching out to suburban, white women and college-educated women when they talk about african-americans and hispanics, he hurts his case because of his record and the way he talks about african-americans and the way that he tends to say the african-americans and not just african-americans, which is a way of referring to folks in deeply odd. i think they are doing that but i don't think there's any success in growing that tent. >> the real question is, they fear he doesn't have the right temperament or command, were they assured tonight or think of him differently as a result of this performance? i agree with michael, he was speaking to the base and i think the base is probably very happy. the base is just not big enough to win the election. >> the demographics of the country are such -- i'm sorry to hit this point again, george herbert walker bush and mitt romney got the same percentage of the white vote. 59%, what earned bush 136 electoral votes got mitt romney only 56. and there is the changing demographic of the country and that's why the missed opportunity was with the muslim woman and the african american man at the end. that was magnanimous. >> where he's doing poorly, he needs to improve significantly, has to do with college educated white voters. he's even with college educated white men. >> health care and their families. >> there was a poll out today in your home state and your home state that had him leading among college educated voters, white voters by 20 points. this is a cohert that romney carried by 14% in 2012. that's a stunning -- >> tolerance, right? >> they think he's a bigot. >> right. that's why you hear hillary clinton, all of her ads, are about donald trump and what he said and those words, whether it's about women, whether it's about the birther controversy, those things turn off college-educated white voters. he can't undo that because he spent so much time branding himself in that way as this kind of unreconstructed alpha male and the tape only underscores that. >> let me say one thing about the tape. we're all talking about the debate and that's going to be our focus until 1:00 in the morning. tomorrow morning we wake up in a world where the debate is over. we're not talking about it. we're talking about something else. i can't help but think the clinton campaign is going to make sure that that tape is everywhere from now until the election. >> it's about the image of the women from this point forward. four women and donald trump and that story's going to get told. >> college educated white women that we've been talking about. >> can i just make one other point in which is it's very clear they don't like each other very much. it was kind of an irritating debate in that sense because they were firing these jibes back and forth. and what was missing from it was any invocation of people, humanity. we're in a town hall meeting. the only person that was raised -- i think hillary clinton raised an individual and just as in the last debate she raised an individual to weap weaponize that story against donald trump but the day-to-day struggle. health care, nobody mentioned anybody who was actually struggling with health care. i was surprised by that. >> let's go back to the tape. i want to play donald trump's response when the subject of this "access hollywood" tape, him talking very crudely about women, seeming to boast about grabbing women, assaulting women inappropriately. here was his response. >> you called what you said locker room banter. you described kissing women without their consent, grabbing their genitals. that is sexual assault. you bragged you sexually assaulted women. do you understand that? >> no, i didn't say that at all. i don't think you understood what was said. this was locker room talk. i'm not proud of it. i apologized to my family. i apologize to the american people. certainly i'm not proud of it. but this is locker room talk. you know, when we have a world where you have isis chopping off heads, where you have -- and frankly drowning people in steel cages, where you have wars and horrible, horrible sights all over, where you have so many bad things happening, this is like medieval times. we haven't seen anything like this, the carnage all over the world, and they look and they see. can you imagine the people that are frankly doing so well against us with isis and they look at our country and they see what's going on. yes, i'm very embarrassed by it. i hate it. but it's locker room talk and it's one of those things. i will knock the hell out of isis. we're going to defeat isis. isis happened a number of years ago in a vacuum that was left -- >> so -- >> -- because of bad judgment. and i will tell you, i will take care of isis. >> so the basic response there, van, it was locker room talk but nothing compared to the horrors of isis and i'm going to stop isis. >> i just thought that was just horrible. he -- rather than apologizing he minimized. and that was something that everybody here agreed he should avoid doing. and basically, if the only thing you have to say about yourself is i'm not as bad as isis, i mean, that's your defense, there's something wrong with that kind of response. [ cheers and applause ] the other thing is that you cannot underestimate the history that was made in our country. a line was crossed that i don't know has been crossed in my lifetime, maybe ever. he threatened to jail his opponent. >> right. >> he threatened to jail hillary clinton if he became president of the united states. that is something i think is a new low in american democracy. but i will say something maybe provocative. i think hillary won because donald trump kind of won. in other words, the worst possible outcome for hillary clinton could have been if she knocked him out. if she had knocked him out and forced him out of the race, you could have been in a situation where the republican party could rally, get somebody else in there. it was actually a good outcome for her. she did well enough. he did well enough. he stabilized himself. and he's going to bleed out. and she's going to be able to get across the finish line. >> i'm not sure we watched the same debate because read the transcript. donald trump issued three more apologies. he's now up to issuing five. that's enough for most of the american people. i'm still waiting on the media to call on the apology for hillary clinton lying to the families of benghazi members when she told them their families were dead because of a video. i'm still waiting for a call for that apology. but i think something very big happened tonight that is lost upon most of us. what we saw tonight was someone speak for the people against the washington elite. there are people in this country, 2/3 of the country thinks we're in the wrong direction. they're tired of being promised hope and change, which is what president obama promised millennialed, promised the american people and it did not materialize. and you saw donald trump flawlessly expose the double standards of justice when he said -- when he said if someone, an american citizen had done 1/5 of what you had done with your e-mails their lives would have been destroyed. and there was an audible boo from the audience because people know hillary clinton lied when she retorted with the fact that i didn't do anything wrong with my e-mails. the audience booed because there are two standards. the washington elite get one and we the american people get another. >> i think -- >> that was explosive. >> i think the audience had trump supporters and clinton supporters and we heard both sides. but let me go into -- let me play some of what you're talking about and specifically, van jones, it's the moment you that referred to where he said that were he in charge of the laws she would be in jail. >> i didn't think i'd say this but i'm going to say it. and i hate to say it. but if i win, i am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation because there has never been so many lies, so much deception. there has never been anything like it. and we're going to have a special prosecutor. when i speak, i go out and speak, the people of this country are furious. in my opinion, the people that have been long-term workers at the fbi are furious. there has never been anything like this where e-mails -- and you get a subpoena. you get a subpoena and after getting the subpoena you delete 33,000 e-mails. and then you acid wash them. or bleach them as you say. a very expensive process. so we're going to get a special prosecutor and we're going to look into it. because you know what? people have been -- their lives have been destroyed for doing 1/5 of what you've done. and it's a disgrace. and honestly, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. >> secretary clinton -- >> everything he just said is absolutely false but i'm not surpris surprised. i told people that it would be impossible to be fact-checking donald all the time. i'd never get to talk about anything i want to do and how we're going to really make lives better for people. so once again, go to hillaryclinton.com. we have literally trump. you can fact-check him in real-time. it's just awfully good that someone with the temperament of donald trump is not in charge of the law in our country. >> because you'd be in jail. >> secretary clinton -- [ cheers ] >> so jeffrey, i heard you laughing. obviously that is a crowd pleaser for trump supporters. there's no question about that. he already has trump supporters. they already support him. is that the kind of line that exemplifies the kind of temperament that those who are undecided want to hear from him? >> yes. and i'll tell you why. this is about as kayleigh was saying, this is about the american people versus the political class in this country. media elites, politicians, et cetera, who as he said repeatedly there, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk and they never get anything done and they lie and they dissemble. and she would in fact, if she were not hillary clinton, she would be in huge trouble with these e-mails. and she would conceivably be going to jail. i mean, other people have gone to jail for these kind of problems. so what he's doing there is hitting the broad themes, one, the division between the american people and the political class. two, her character. if you remember that famous quinnipiac poll from last year where they asked people to free-associate one-word descriptions of the candidates and for her it was dishonest and liar. >> you know that's kind of a bogus poll where they -- i mean, i think the biggest ones for trump were unflattering as well. but i take your point on the fact that she has very, very low trustworthy and honesty numbers -- >> so he was hitting this. >> okay, paul. >> the strategic context in which this debate occurs is the trump campaign in meltdown. a meltdown especially with women because of this really horrific tape where he brags about committing sexual assault. i don't think he put it to bed. you keep hearing stories that there's more tapes to come. the guy did 10 or 14 years on television and people keep saying we're going to go through these tapes. maybe they will. maybe they won't. but he certainly did nothing to put it behind him or even to inoculate against the stories to come. now, tonight's audience, i bet you a nickel, would be much more female than male. first off more voters are female than male. but tonight we're up against qupt sunday night football." packers by the way 17-9 over the giants leading right now fourth quarter. the performance he put on, first being so bizarre about this sexual assault. in one of the answers he mentioned isis, immigration, and the economy. in one of the follow-ups he rambled on about michelle obama, sidney blumenthal, debbie wasserman schultz, bernie sanders, e-mails. that doesn't assuage any women voters. and then the style throughout the debate i kept hearing from a lot of women, they didn't like that -- the pacing, the stalking. >> yeah. >> the really kind of creepy behavior when he wasn't speaking. toward hillary. last time it was he got in trouble for interrupting. he did a fair amount of that again. he seemed to actually pick a lot of unwise fights with martha raddatz also. less so with anderson. this is not -- if i'm -- as a super pac guy, i work for the super pac that's opposing trump and is supporting hillary. i'm happy about this. if i were a trump strategist i'd say boss, we've got a problem with women and you just made it worse. >> we're going to keep it there. everyone stay. we've still got two hours. wolf, let me throw it back to you. >> anderson -- anderson. jake, thanks very much. we've got an excellent moment right now to discuss something i'd never heard in any of these debates before between two presidential candidates. and dana, let's talk a little about this. one candidate says not only is he going to put forward a special prosecutor to investigate his rival but, and this is very significant, he's going to put her in jail if he's elected president of the united states. that's pretty extraordinary. >> okay. not to sound too corny, but what makes this country different from countries with dictators in africa or stalin or hitler or any of those countries with dictators and totalitarian leaders is that when they took over they put their opponents in jail. to hear one presidential candidate say, even if it was a flip comment, which it was, you're going to be in jail to another presidential candidate on the debate stage in the united states of america, stunning. just stunning. >> certainly is. john king. >> most of his strategy on these issues was clearly designed, a, listening to his alt-right advisers. this was a breitbart strategy from the predebate and the debate. if he's bleeding across the electorate, if his goal priority one is to stop the bleeding on the right, then it may have succeeded in that. if you look at state by state, if you look at the battleground states, if you look at the demographic breakdowns in the states he is losing now heading into the last 30 days. remember, the timing of this is critical. in the last 30 days there are some people already voting. more people will start voting this week. even more will start voting after that. many in the most important battleground states. 30% of the american people last tight voted early. that will probably be a little higher this time. so the election is not on november 8th. it is now for many people in the states that matter. and if donald trump needed to shore up his conservative base, his team is very happy. he was much modern gauged than he was tonight. he was much more aggressive. he did more counterpunching. he got to some of the issues that he believes are her weaknesses but to dana's point there is that going to win you the vote of a moderate woman in the philadelphia sbushds? i think not. is it going to get you raves on zruj and breitbart and the conservative media and the other network, we all know who i'm talking about, most likely. >> but at least he'll stop the bleeding among his own base. >> yes. i think that is a fair assessment that you can see in the mood -- and even the republicans who don't like trump. they think this is the worst possible outcome because they thought if he tanked tonight there would be pressure to get him out of the race. >> exactly. >> and now they're saying he did well enough to stay in. they don't think he can win and they think he hurts other senate and house candidates. but they think he did well enough to sustain himself without a doubt and i know that's what they think inside team trump. without a doubt they think they had a strong night. >> we're just hearing that eric holder apparently just said that trump's threat was like nixonian. not so much the jail threat but the threat that if he becomes president he's going to instruct his attorney general to appoint a special prosecutor. it's -- first of all, i believe it's kind of a misunderstanding of what is even allowed and the way that the process works. but even so, putting that aside, just the threat is something that is going to -- this is something that's going to have ripple effects in the days to come. >> i also think another giant question tonight, again, people view these things through their partisan prism but we know that hillary clinton has barack obama, michelle obama, bernie sanders, elizabeth warren, joe biden, bill clinton. donald trump has mike pence. there are no other senior republicans out there. and he threw mike pence under the bus tonight. he threw his running mate under the bus tonight, who has stood by him -- mike pence did not defend donald trump on the specifics in the vice presidential debate. i was told that got under donald trump's skin a little bit. mike pence did stand by him this weekend. mike pence, a christian conservative whose wife i'm told was horrified when she heard that tape and who talked to her husband about it, mike pence did stand by donald trump even though he did say the language is offensive. dysfunction in the campaign in the last 30 days is dangerous. >> he just did put out a tweet mike, pence -- >> that's what i was looking for. >> going ahead and endorsing -- "congrats to my running mate @realdonaldtrump on a big debate win. proud to stand with you as we make -- #make america great again." brianna keilar you've got a special guest in the spin room. >> i have hillary clinton's campaign chair john podesta. and i want to get your reaction to something first. donald trump called hillary clinton the devil but he also made a threat that if he were in charge of the laws of the country that he would jail her, he would imprison her. what is the campaign's reaction? >> well, it's one more over-the-top statement by donald trump. and fortunately, he's not in charge of the laws of the united states and never will be. but i think that maybe he was trying to appeal to his base. what we've seen over the last few weeks and particularly over the last few days are republicans peeling off him in droves. so maybe all he's got left is his base. so to call her the devil is i think beneath a presidential candidate. it's one more reason yes he doesn't have the temperament to do the job of being president or being the commander in chief. >> the optics from the beginning of the debate were that we sea chelsea clinton not there to shake the hands of melania trump and her kids as we saw during the first debate. and then hillary clinton did not shake hands with donald trump at the beginning of the debate. that's a very clear signal she was trying to send. >> well, look, i think he came in here sort of pulling this stunt that he did at the beginning of this and was on the attack from the beginning. again, i think maybe he was just trying to stabilize his own base of voters even as that's shrinking. but i think that given what we saw, what we saw on the videotape, what we're seeing now in the howard stern tapes, his -- >> she's trying to signal something. she's trying to signal that she -- >> that his behavior is -- doesn't really deserve the respect of a handshake at the beginning. she did shake his hand at the end. but i think that, you know, he came in tonight and even walked back whatever bit of an apology he gave for the "access hollywood" tape that every american now has probably seen over and over again. >> i know that one of the strategies coming into this was thinking that after that tape came out there were people who were newly open to hillary clinton. but the assessment seems to be that she really just rallied the base and whether or not she has really expanded it seems that she and donald trump just rallied their base. what do you say to that? >> i think she came in trying to answer the specific questions. this was supposed to be i think in my mind a town hall where voters got to ask specific questions. the moderators asked a lot of the questions tonight. but the voters did get to ask questions. and i think she wanted to talk about the specific ideas, the specific plans, what she's been able to do in a bipartisan way when she was first lady, when she was senator, the children's health insurance program, the other program she talked about. but most importantly what she wanted to do to build an economy that was going to work for everyone, not just those at the top. so if n. doing that i think what she wanted to try to accomplish was to say i want to be a president for everyone and i want to have you listen to me with a positive message, an optimistic view of what america can be. in contrast i think he was dark and divisive again. >> john podesta with the clinton campaign. thank you so much. back to you guys. >> all right. thanks very much, brianna keilar. let's play a clip. this is donald trump speaking about the former president of the united states, bill clinton. >> i told you, that was locker room talk. i'm not proud of it. i am a person who has great respect for people, for my family, for the people of this country. and certainly i'm not proud of it. but that was something that happened if you look at bill clinton, far worse. mine are words and his was action. his was what he's done to women. there's never been anybody in the history of politics in this nation that's been so abusive to women. so you can say any way you want to say it, but bill clinton was abusive to women. hillary clinton attacked those same women. and attacked them viciously. four of them are here tonight. one of the women, who is a wonderful woman, at 12 years old was raped at 12. her client, she represented, got him off. and she's seen laughing on two separate occasions, laughing at the girl who was raped. kathy shelton, that young woman, is here with us tonight. so don't tell me about words. absolutely i apologize for those words. but it is things that people say. but what president clinton did, he was impeached. he lost his license to practice law. he had to pay an $850,000 fine to one of the women, paula jones, who's also here tonight. and i will tell you that when hillary brings up a point like that and she talks about words that i said 11 years ago i think it's disgraceful and i think she should be ashamed of herself if you want to know the truth. >> he gets to run his campaign any way he chooses. he gets it decide what he wants to talk about. instead of answering people's questions, talking about our agenda, laying out the plans that we have that we think can make a better life and a better country, that's his choice. when i hear something like that, i am reminded of what my friend michelle obama advised us all. when they go low, you go high. [ cheers and applause ] >> she got some applause for that line but i didn't hear a robust vote of confidence, a defense of her husband in that response, because he really went after bill clinton. >> hillary clinton didn't mention bill clinton's behavior or actions at all. she didn't defend her actions at all. she just went after more or less donald trump essentially saying you're trying to go back and we're talking about you here. a couple of points on that. donald trump clearly tried to gin up support on the r50i9d right with his base. if you talk to conservatives, especially the all the rooilt conservative media they think these issues have been ignored or forgotten. you and i covered the white house at the time. the paula jones case, kathleen willey case, monica lewinsky impeachment that dominated our lives. i had color in my hair when that started. that was several years of our lives. they think we should still be talking about this later. and trump was trying to connect hillary clinton to that. will that be a winning strategy in the general election? we'll see how it plays out. but clearly donald trump came here tonight saying when i'm asked about me i'm going to deflect to bill clinton. i do think it helped him rally conservatives. i also know from e-mail conversations with clinton campaign people anderson cooper said this is sexual assault. and what donald trump -- he said he didn't do it. he said he was just talking about it. he did say tonight which he did not say in that weekend night video-e didn't address whether or not it actually happened. he just said he was sorry. donald trump did say he never did those things. so he was bragging about sexually assaulting women. and he said no, it's locker room talk. the clinton people -- that's going to be in an ad probably by the time we get to the end of this week. with anderson cooper asking a direct question and donald trump saying it's locker room talk. it's not locker room talk. it is not locker room talk to whether you're fantasizing about it speculating about it or talking about it of groping people, sexually assaulting people. that's a crime. >> but i will just say, and probably getting similar notes from republicans, i just got one from a top republican who's very skittish about donald trump saying that he did okay acknowledging the bar -- this is among republicans. that the bar is pretty low right now for him to kind of bring some of them back into the fold but that in the words of this republican he moved the conversation beyond the caught on tape hot mike situation. on the flip side of that i've been hearing from some democrats who think that hillary clinton did well but wondering why didn't she put it away, wondering what could she have done differently to -- after the weekend that donald trump just had to just end it. just completely end his candidacy. and that she possibly could have with this debate but didn't. >> but you think that's in part the result of an hour before the debate he invites these women -- >> no. >> -- to come here not only to do a little joint photo opportunity with him but then to sit in the front row -- >> you mean whether she was rattled? >> yeah. >> i mean, i don't know. i didn't get the sense that she really changed her strategy much at all. that she was going to do what she was going to do. she clearly was ready for bill clinton's name to come up in the context of these women or in any other context. and he she made the decision she wasn't going to go there. she was going to instead hit all the demographics that she thinks that donald trump has offended, whether it's the disabled or the hispanics or muslims and so forth and she was just going to pretend like the bill clinton question didn't happen. >> she's trying to keep what she's got. she'd she's ahead right now. she's head in the moltum in the last ten days and we don't know about the weekend. we don't know how that will be processed by voters or this debate which they'll be processing at the same time. what they learned over the weekend about donald 2ru78. and now this debate. hillary clinton came saying if i protect what i have i win the election. and she was -- it was clear she was hoping that donald trump hurt himself with his own words and donald trump turned in a much stronger performance in terms of punching, counterpunching and getting to the issues more favorable to him. a much better job tonight than in the first debate no doubt. >> our exclusive cnn/orc poll results momentarily. who won this debate? in the meantime let's go back to jake. >> thanks so much. appreciate it, wolf. i'm back with our panel. something i want to throw out to everyone here. i'll start with this side and work over. the alicia machado moment was a throwaway line at the end of the last debate and it became a huge story because of how the clinton campaign went with it and because of donald trump's reaction. one thing i'm wondering if donald trump introduced at this night's debate that we just talked about over here that might become a bigger thing for the clinton campaign and i think we can agree they're much more effective at the attacks and the commercials and with surrogates, et cetera. that is with donald trump saying if he gets elected president he's going to ask his attorney general to appoint a special prosecutor to put hillary clinton in jail. >> yeah. >> this is the kind of thing they do in countries not like the united states, where you lock up and jail your political opponents. this feeds into something -- a criticism we've heard actually more from conservative critics of donald trump than liberal critics of donald trump. can you imagine this man with his dem pramt and his drive for vengeance having instruments of government at his hands, the irs, et cetera. i wonder if that was a much bigger gaffe than we are making it out to be. >> i think it is. i think it's a huge gaffe. republicans talk about the imperial presidency and how barack obama has abused his executive powers. imagine somebody being asked to serve as attorney general if you knew that a president was going to direct prosecutions. i'm not a lawyer. but i get that. and it is as dana was pointing out nixonian to a great degree. and i think that it is also un-american to a great degree. and i think that is something the clinton campaign can use and can use very fevtly. also to me when he said i'd put her in jail. remember during the convention -- >> lock her up. >> lock her up, lock her up. and he kind of tried to quiet it a little at the convention because he was in presidential mode. now this was a primary campaign debate to me tonight and what he was doing was rallying the base by saying lock her up effectively, which he did also, calling her a liar multiple times and the devil. multiple times. and saying he'd put her in jail. >> and he said she had hate in her heart. >> i don't think that's going to play very well with voters. i think what happened was he said i'm throwing out the playbook and i'm going with, as you point out, i'm going with the material that's worked for me when i go out there and speak to these rallies. this line of prosecuting hillary clinton is something he's used in his rallies. this is not a new idea. he just raised it to the level of a debate point here. and my guess is it will resonate well with his base and it will antagonize the people he needs to grow who worry about the things you point out, who worry about his temperament, worry about whether he would handle the job of president in a responsible way. so you know, i think he galvanized the base again, perhaps at the expense of expanding it. >> it's another iteration of her argument, which is in an ad, about having him near the nuclear codes. a man you can bait with a tweet shouldn't be near the nuclear codes. and he also probably shouldn't have the instruments of the military, of the justice department. so yeah, i think that'll certainly end up in an ad. and again, it's going to turn off those moderate swing voters who want a steady person, who want somebody who is steady in terms of their temperament, in terms of their manner, in terms of their speech and approach to issues. so i think this -- it wasn't a plant by hillary clinton in any way. >> i don't think it's going to end up in an ad because this isn't the issue -- >> she doesn't want to -- >> i don't think alleged criminality -- >> those who watched it -- i think it was cringeworthy for a lot of folks who watched it. >> jake, the two of us have ties to the philly suburbs. i still live there. you have family who are there. i've waited, we're now a month out from the election, less if you start and think that people are already voting and i've been waiting and waiting and waiting for the pivot or the outreach to the folks who come in from our area because if we had a nickel for every time they get invoked, even on "snl," we'd be wealthy individuals. it's never going to happen. i mean, this is the donald trump who got this far. i think there potentially is an emperor has no clothes thing going on around him where perhaps the people who could say to him you need to pivot won't do so for whatever reason. but this is what got him thus far and this is how he's going to ride it out. and i think that he feeds on the reaction that he gets from that base which is what keeps him hitting -- >> but michael, maybe he felt like he took the advice of the people who were telling him to pivot and be more muted in the last debate and it didn't turn out well for him. >> could be. >> so he decided well, the hell with that, i'm going to throw all that out and go back to the stuff i know works. >> and just to elaborate, it's not -- michael and i are biased because we're from philadelphia but it's not just the philly burbs we're talking about, we're talking about white college educated voters, the people in the i-4 corridor in the middle of florida, we're talking about the people in northern virginia, in the suburbs of denver. these are voters that mitt romney did well with, that john mccain did well with. still not well enough to win -- >> harrisburg, where thousands show up for donald trump. >> and donald trump is underperforming with them. and i know that this -- i'm sure he will win every online poll. i know that the breitbart crowd ate this up. my question is did he win over any suburban households in philadelphia? >> sure. i think he can. and let me use the issue here that you were just talking about to illustrate. talking about jailing the opponent and how this is -- dictators and all this kind of stuff. there is another side to this. and on a side that independent voters, the kind of folks you were talking about are very concerned about, and that is the politicization of the department of justice where you have an attorney general, eric holder, who said in that case of the black panthers group there that were at the polls in philadelphia and they were armed and they were in uniform. he said he wasn't going to do it because these are my people. >> again, i'm sure he's winning fox news voters. that's not my point. >> when you talk about -- >> he said he would -- >> some fact checker is -- the fact check machine is going tilt right now. >> you're speaking against the politicization of the justice department under the obama administration. his answer was i'll tell my attorney general to appoint a special prosecutor to lock her up. >> that's not what he said. he said i will appoint a special prosecutor to look into it. >> yes. and then later in the same exchange he said if he were in charge of the government she'd be in jail. >> as a response. i know the media doesn't get satire and humor but that was a humorous line -- >> we do. we get satire. >> you compare him to hitler and stalin locking people up when he said -- >> i don't think anybody mentioned hitler or stalin. but let's play it. let's play the exchange. >> i didn't think i'd say this but i'm going to say it. and i hate to say it. but if i win i am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation because there has never been so many lies, so much deception. there has never been anything like it. and we're going to have a special prosecutor. when i speak, i go out and speak, the people of this country are furious. in my opinion, the people that have been long-term workers at the fbi are furious. there has never been anything like this where e-mails -- and you get a subpoena. you get a subpoena, and after getting the subpoena you delete 33,000 e-mails. and then you acid wash them or bleach them, as you would say. a very expensive process. so we're going to get a special prosecutor and we're going to look into it because you know what? people have been -- their lives have been destroyed for doing 1/5 of what you've done. and it's a disgrace. and honestly, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. >> secretary clinton -- >> everything he just said is absolutely false but i'm not surprised. >> oh, really? >> i told people that it would be impossible to be fact-checking donald all the time. i'd never get to talk about anything i want to do and how we're going to really make lives better for people. so once again, go to hillaryclinton.com. we have literally trump, you can fact-check him in real time. it's just awfully good that someone with the temperament of donald trump is not in charge of the law in our country. >> because you'd be in jail. >> secretary clinton. >> yeah. humor right there. >> you're saying he wasn't being serious? >> i'm saying he used that line. it was humor to illustrate the point. and the point is as with the e-mails -- i mean, how many -- >> so he thought she was innocent of anything wrong with e-mails? >> how many stories have we seen, jake, in the last two weeks about destruction of computers, special privileges, the president -- president clinton gets on the plane -- >> i love -- you guys know i love jeffrey lord. i do. i'm not joking. >> here we go. >> and i greatly appreciate -- >> this is a clearing of the throat. >> this is it. >> jake, you may want to get out of the way. >> but the idea that you are threatening to prosecute your opponent is as best i can tell unprecedented in american history. and i will say this. you don't appoint a prosecutor to investigate. you appoint a prosecutor to lay the groundwork to put somebody in jail. and here's the problem i have with the whole thing. >> but -- >> hold on a second. here's the problem i have with the whole thing. look, we do have a criminal justice system that is unfair, that is biased, but when people like black lives matter point this out people like yourself say they're race baiting, they're racist, and turn a deaf ear. so you can't have it both ways. you can't pretend to care about a broken criminal justice system only when donald trump is scoring political points about hillary clinton and then turn your deaf ear to the cries of actual people who are suffering. and there was a big missed opportunity tonight. when that muslim woman stepped forward, donald trump could have very easily said to her, i understand what you're going through. >> and he did. >> and he didn't. >> he did. >> let me finish. >> we'll get the tape. >> we'll get the tape. >> he very briefly said one thing. and then he basically gave an islamophobic answer to a question about islamophobia. why do i say that? because he said you the muslims have to report on the things that are going on. as if only the muslims have to do this. as if all of the mass shootings are done by muslims. you can say you want everyone in the country you see something say something. that's an american position. he says the muslims have a special responsibility. that's an islamophobic response. and he missed opportunity after opportunity to reach out. but don't play games with criminal justice with me. >> so kayleigh, let me ask you. you maintain -- and tell me what you think. that the first part, special prosecutor, serious, but then the other thing about because you'd be in jail that was a joke. >> i do. and the audience laughed. so i think they clearly got the humor. but you know, to van's point about criminal justice and double standards and caring about citizens, you know who i care a lot about? petty officer christian saucier, who's sitting in a jail right now sentenced to one year in prison for taking eight photographs on a submarine to show his family and bringing back classified information home for him. christian saucier's in jail. hillary clinton did the same thing. she's out free because the fbi, to jeffrey's point, is politicized. >> they're friends. >> four of the people sitting at this table have worked in the white house. the white house must maintain an arm's length relationship from the prosecutorial power of the justice department. and it always has. except in the nixon administration where nixon did try to politicize both the fbi and the cia. it was one of the darkest moments of our history. what trump has suggested is straight out of the dictator's handbook. and it came during the same debate when he publicly broke with his running mate who dared to question vladimir putin. now, ken vogel of politico points out, but i remember this from my own work, that in ukraine a putin puppet, viktor yanukovych, did the same thing. he became president. he was a putin puppet. he locked up his predecessor, yulia tymoshenko. this guy is laying the groundwork for exactly -- he wants to crack down on the first amendment against journalists. in every rally he attacks journalists. now he wants to lock up his opponent just like putin's buddy. and even his running mate takes second fiddle to his pal putin -- >> hold that thought. coming up who won tonight's debate? what do voters think? we'll reveal the first results of our instant poll of debate watchers. and we'll get the first reaction from our focus 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"sign up for credit karma's free credit monitoring today. we're here in the spin room getting reaction from all the candidates' -- both the candidates' surrogates. lots of reaction coming in. we're also standing by for the exclusive results of our cnn/orc poll of voters in ohio. we're going to get that momentarily. stand by for that. first official -- unofficial but poll results. scientific poll that we've got, you're going to get those results momentarily. david chalian will be with us for that. the big question of the night, what did undecided voters think about donald trump's answer to the question about the leaked tape? pamela brown watched the debate with a group of these voters. we're about to show you what they thought. while you watch look at the bottom of your screen. if the lines go up, voters liked the answer. if the lines go down, they didn't like the answer. men's responses are in green, women in yellow. here's donald trump's response. >> just for the record, though, are you saying that what you said on that bus 11 years ago, that you did not actually kiss women without consent or grope women without consent? >> i have great respect for women. nobody has more respect for women than i do. >> for the record you're saying you didn't do those things? >> you hear these things are said and i was embarrassed by it but i have tremendous respect for women. >> have you ever done those things? >> and women have respect for me. and i will tell you -- no, i have not. and i will tell you that i'm going to make our country safe. >> pamela, these voters didn't seem to like his answer. >> yeah, as you saw the very strong reactions from these 29 undecided voters from the ohio state university. so let's get straight to them to see what their reaction was when donald trump defended himself against that "access hollywood" video. what did you think, barb, when you heard what he had to say? >> i find it hard to believe whatever he says. he just doesn't seem to be a truthful person. >> reporter: and you have two sons and you had sort of a visceral reaction to what he said in defense of that video and what he was saying in that video. what did you think? >> well, i just feel that everyone has placed all of the accent upon young women and how we should protect them. we are equal citizens. i would hope that my sons would not talk like he did and i have tried to raise them not to act that way. >> reporter: it's interesting, because he reiterated in his defense that this is locker room banter, that this is just words. what do you think, larry? did that resonate with you? >> no. because that's not locker room talk. and for a 59-year-old man to claim that that's locker room talk i think is offensive to the young men who are out playing sports and doing the right thing. to me, it's pure and simple, sexual assault. and he should be held accountable for his thinking and actions of sexual assault. >> so to you that is not just locker room banter? >> that's not. not at 59 years old, especially. i don't know any 59-year-olds who are in locker rooms. >> i just want to get quickly a show of hands. who thought that donald trump did enough to put that controversy surrounding the tape behind him? raise your hand if you think he did enough tonight in defense. okay. and there were some positive reactions when hillary clinton actually spoke after donald trump defended himself against that video. let's take a listen to what she had to say during the debate. >> this is who donald trump is and the question for us, the question our country must answer is that this is not who we are. that's why, to go back to your question, i want to send a message. we all should. to every boy and girl and indeed to the entire world that america already is great but we are great because we are good. >> so i want to ask you, what was it about hillary clinton's argument that resonated with you following donald trump's defense of the video? >> she stated that america is already great and i tend to agree with that. though we are slow in progressing in a number of areas, we are progressing and we need to continue the momentum. >> what about you? what did you think about hillary clinton's argument, the way that she reacted, particularly when he brought up bill clinton's past and the allegations against him? what did you think? >> i think that she tried to clarify that they weren't the same, that what donald trump had done was -- she had talked about her children and other people's children and daughters and that it just -- it was uncalled for and he should not have done it and didn't feel that his apology was sincere. >> and it's interesting because she largely sort of stayed away from going there. do you think that was a smart move? raise your hand if you think that was a smart move. and raise your hand if you think it was a smart move for donald trump to bring that up, if that was fair game. why do you think that? >> well, i think, you know, if everything is out on the table, then everything is fair game. is it apples to apples, absolutely not. but i don't think -- in these debates it just doesn't ever seem like anything's off the table. >> i'm going to get a show of hands now. the big question, who do you think won this debate? hillary clinton. raise your hand if you think hillary clinton won tonight's debate. okay. raise your hand if you think donald trump won this debate. okay. so clearly there are some of you who thought this was a draw. raise your hand if you think tonight's debate was a draw. all right. there you go. there you have it, wolf. mixed response. coming up, we're going to talk about what they thought and who they are going to vote for, these undecided voters, if any of them cemented their vote after tonight's debate. you won't want to miss that. >> hillary clinton is now speaking to reporters aboard her aircraft. i want to listen in. >> go back and lean up against my stool but he was very present. >> we're going to take off. then we're going to bring you - you --. >> [ inaudible question ]. >> nothing surprises me about him really, dan. i was surprised by the absolute avalanche of falsehoods. i mean, i really find it almost unimaginable that someone can stand and just tell, you know, a falsehood after falsehood. you all remember politifact said he was the most untruthful candidate they'd ever evaluated. and we sort of did the numbers. i think they said he was like 70% untruthful. and so i think he exceeded that percentage tonight. >> how did president clinton -- >> anyway, thank you, guys. >> we'll come back in a few minutes. >> there she is. hillary clinton going to the back of her plane to speak to reporters, making some tough statements once again against donald trump. we have the results now of our instant poll. we've been waiting for this. david chalian, our political director. give us the results. >> wolf, as you know, we did a pofl debate watchers. this is not a national poll of all voters. this is a poll of debate watchers and just like we saw in the first debate and the vice presidential debate, the audience skews a little more democratic. debate watchers are a little more democratic than we would see in a national poll overall. having said that, who won the debate? according to the debate watchers we polled, hillary clinton won the debate. 57% to 34% for donald trump. that's not as big of a victory as she got in our poll in the first debate but it is a clear victory here. but talk about besting expectations. take a look at this. did donald trump best expectations, did he do better than you thought he would do? 63% of debate watchers said donald trump did better than they expected. only 21% say that he did worse and 15% say he did the same as they expected. how about hillary clinton's expectation game? take a look at these numbers. did hillary clinton do better or worse than you expected? 39% say she did better. 26% said she did worse and 34% said she did about the same. hillary clinton the winner in this poll of who won the debate. but donald trump significantly overperforming expectations. >> but the polls show that she did win this debate. let's get immediate reaction from kellyanne conway, the trump campaign manager who is with us. what's your reaction to that? >> my reaction is that i'm glad that people think that 60% according to your online poll believe that hillary clinton either did worse or the same as they expected. it showed she wasn't very well prepared for tonight's debate. and that really surprises me. because if she's anything she's, you know, very wonky. she's very pedantic, lawyerly in her responses. i would have thought she'd be better prepared for this debate. ail heard all week, wolf, is that the town hall format is really great for her. whereas we know it's our sweet spot because donald trump is out there every single day engaging with voters. he loves that. he's at the rallies. he's at the smaller forum round tables. he's at his own town halls. he clearly won the debate tonight why? because if you watched anybody's shows this whole weekend we've just been left for dead, it's all over, why even show up, will there be a debate, are people jumping ship. he came here to play tonight and he came here to take the case right to hillary clinton and to show americans this race is still what it's always been. past versus future. politician versus successful businessman. washington insider versus disrupter. and he made that case very clearly. he did not back down. >> kellyanne, i want to ask you about what he said at the beginning of the debate. more than one time he referred once again to what he said on that tape as locker room talk. you're his campaign manager, the only woman at the head of that campaign. what did you think when you saw and you heard that? truthfully, what was your reaction? >> my initial reaction was very close to what melania trump said. i was offended. and i think that language is offensive and disgusting. and i'm also very happy that he apologized. i'm glad that he holds himself -- excuse me. accountable. because i look at the full measure of people, what they've said, what they've done, dana, and how they deal with adversity that comes to him -- to them. and donald trump is absolutely correct. these are words compared to actions. and he made that very clear tonight that hillary clinton blaming and shaming the women in her husband's life, that is not somebody who's standing up for women. >> but the term "locker room talk." you had the highest-ranking woman in congress, republican woman, kathy mcmorris rogers, blowing that off and saying no, no, no, this is suggesting sexual assault and -- >> that's a very unfortunate phrase and people should stop using it. >> why? >> because i know him better. and i know better. >> but it's what he said. >> he did not say the word sexual -- >> no. it's what he implied -- >> you want to talk about sexual assault, right here in the hall -- i know cnn doesn't want into the view them for whatever reason. you give miss universe a big platform. but we have in the hall tonight juanita broaddrick and paula jones and kathy shelton the 12-year-old rape victim that two years before the rape shield laws were implemented in arkansas hillary clinton defending her 42-year-old rapist successfully defending him getting him a plea bargain. she was willing to blame and shame that victim as well who was 12 years old. we can talk about sexual assault but let's have a full conversation about it. this is what i know. i have to assess people based on what i see in totem. this is a man i've been alone with many times who's never been anything but gracious and a gentleman and elevated me to the top level of his campaign the way he's elevated women in the trump organization for decades. because he respects women. >> let me just say that cnn at the time many, many years ago did fully litigate -- these two gentlemen were actually covering the clinton white house fully, talk about and report on their stories at the time. because it is very old. and i just -- because you brought it up i just have to say, kellyanne -- >> how she treated them. >> no, no. it was real time. i just have to say because you brought it up that your boss himself back in 1998 told neil cavuto about these victims. i don't necessarily agree with his victims, talking about bill clinton. "his victims are terrible. he," meaning bill clinton, "is the real victim himself. he put himself in that position." and he talked about how unattractive these people are. >> so in 1998 we're not going to talk about paula jones because it's too old but we'll talk did -- >> what i'm saying is at that time he was defending bill clinton and going after these guys and now he's changed -- >> he's gotten to know them. we took note of hillary clinton's comment on the campaign trail and actually she said all sexual assault victims deserve to be heard and believed. these are her words. she's running for president now. she wants to be the president of all people. i assume except for the ones she thinks are deplorable and airredeemable which is tens of millions. but in fairness i know we want to talk about this because we certainly don't want to talk about tonight's campaign performance. when hillary clinton just on her plane lying that donald trump said falsehood after falsehood. i was watching the debate in real time. politifact, the fact checker said he was right about her wanting to have a 550% increase in sir refugees -- >> let me ask you another question about the debate. donald trump said he had not spoken to his vice presidential running mate mike pence about syria and he disagreed with him. we're 30 days from the american people voting. mike pence will be out there campaigning tomorrow. is the message to the american people at mike pence rallies don't believe what he says because -- >> not at all. they were talking about two different things. i just talked to governor pence not ten minutes ago. he says hello. he and mr. trump had also talked about what a great debate we've had between tuesday night the vice presidential debate and tonight obviously donald trump winning here. in a vice presidential debate the conversation was about humanitarian crisis. and that's what governor pence was referring to. and mr. trump said -- >> and he said the united states might have to use force. governor pence the united states might -- >> he might have to. >> and donald trump said tonight i disagree with that. and i haven't spoken with him. >> about that particular aspect of it since the debate. that is true p they've spoken many times this week. but let me be clear. on tv on your network today cnn's jake tapper took tim kaine to account because he couldn't answer a simple question about what hillary clinton said in the e-mails about having open borders. we know she's for open borders but the only way we know it now is because we saw it in her e-mails -- >> we did hear something extraordinary from donald trump today. he said if he's elected president he will ask the justice department to name a special prosecutor to go after hillary clinton. and then he went one step further and said he would arrest her and lock her up -- he would put her in jail. in all of the years, i don't remember a time in american history when one candidate has said of the other candidate if he wins the other candidate's going to jail. >> donald trump is channeling the frustration of a lot of americans he hears from, wolf. so many americans say i can't believe that people have been -- their lives have been ruined, their livelihood gone, they face jail time for doing far less than hillary clinton did hear and yet she was completely exonerated for deleting 33,000 e-mails, not turning over another 17,000. that's 50,000 right there. setting up the private server to begin with. saying that there's no classified information. fbi director comey said that's not true. i only had one device. she had many. they took a hammer to them. the story goes on and on. and it's an active investigation. in other words, just less than two weeks ago -- >> did ybut you understand the enormity of that statement. he's going to lock up his opponent if he wins. >> well, no, what he said is he wants to appoint a special prosecutor because he feels -- and he channels nearly public will here he hears all the time if we don't hear about the disasters in obama care and her failure with the russian reset and benghazi we're always hearing about the e-mails. and he is telling -- he told america tonight what america has told him. the frustration that there's a different set of rules for this woman as goes for e-mails. and she -- >> i you've got to run. i'm going to put up on the screen the results of our poll. you're a professional pollster. you'll see the results. these are people who actually watched the debate and millions and millions of americans watched. who won the debate? 57% said hillary clinton won the debate. 34% said donald trump won the debate. that's the results of our cnn/orc poll. kellyanne, thanks very much for joining us. >> i watched a different debate, but thank you. >> coming up we're going to have a reality check on some of the most contentious statements we heard from the candidates tonight. and we'll reveal more results from our own poll of watchers. what was their response to trump's attempts to explain his vulgar comments caught on tape? stay with us. welcome back. we're here in the spin room following this historic debate. we've got a reality check, some fact checking with tom foreman and phil mattingly. tom foreman, first to you. what have you found out? >> wolf, attacks and insults have characterized this campaign for months now. and tonight as well. with hillary clinton saying donald trump has gone after women again and again. >> but it's not only women and it's not only this video that raises questions about his fitness to be our president. because he has also targeted immigrants, african-americans, latinos, people with disabilities, p.o.w.s, muslims, and so many others. >> that is really an enormous list of people up there. could this possibly be true? well, if you go all wait back to when he announced his candidacy, yeah, at some time or another he's either said or done something to disparage people on every one of these lists. this was actually a very easy one to check. and her claim is true. wolf? >> thank you, tom. phil mattingly, you've been doing a reality check as well. >> yeah, that's right. it wasn't just hillary clinton that was taking some swings tonight. donald trump rolling off a litany of attacks against bill and hillary clinton. included this one. that bill clinton lost his law license. >> but what president clinton did, he was impeached. he lost his license to practice law. >> so here's the claim, that bill clinton lost his law license. quite simply was no longer allowed to practice law. so here are the facts. in the wake of revelations that bill clinton lied during the monica lewinsky investigation the arkansas supreme court brought a disbarment lawsuit against clinton. now, clinton agreed as part of the resolution to that lawsuit the day before leaving office to a five-year suspension of his arkansas law license as part of that plea deal to put an end to the lewinsky investigation. so where does that leave us? the verdict. it's true. on donald trump's claim that bill clinton lost his law license for five years. it's accurate. for this and all of tonight's reality checks go to cnn.com/realitycheck. wolf? >> cnn's coverage of the second presidential debate continues right after this. a high one. donald trump's campaign staggered after the video where the bragged he could grab a woman's genitals. then he went to attack mode and hillary clinton responded. >> look, it's just not true. >> you didn't delete them? >> personal e-mails. not official. we turned over 35,000. >> what about the other 50,000? >> please allow her to respond. she didn't talk while you talked. >> that's true. i'll try not to in this debate because i'd like to get to the questions that the people have brought here tonight to talk to us about. >> and get off this question. >> okay, donald, i know you're into big diversion tonight. anything to avoid talking about your campaign and the way it is exploding and the way republicans are leaving you. >> the news this morning,

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this is the w. news live from berlin i'm brian thomas for the entire team here thanks so much for joining us we'll see you again next on. the. story spread the world over information. opinions they want to express g.w. on facebook and twitter up to date and in touch and follow us. do solemnly swear that i will faithfully execute that i will faithfully execute the office of president of the united states also this president of the united states oh how. i was a correspondent in washington when donald trump took his oath of office. more than two months had passed since his election which seemed to come out of the blue both for american and european journalists. to know which official donald trump did it herself. yes big surprise for everyone probably even for himself. in the meantime fact checkers have exposed thousands of lies told by donald trump get that does not seem to bother his supporters indeed and apparently outrageous claim he once made on the campaign trail could actually be true i have the most loyal people did you ever see that where i could stand in the middle if if they have a new and shoot somebody and i wouldn't lose any voters ok it's like incredible the trump phenomenon to begin with. is the dissolved thing of any objective reality in our politics central to donald trump is the big lie. that's why you see the ethics. of history just two years after trump's election triumph i am back in the u.s. to investigate the apparently unshakeable alliance between trump and his supporters i drive through the midwest fly over country as the americans call it the journey takes us through small towns and agricultural regions with largely white populations. these constituencies once back to rock obama. in two thousand and sixteen donald trump conquered nearly all of them. we're turned in west virginia. once home to one of the biggest steel mills in the world it used to employ fourteen thousand workers now they barely count seven hundred. the rundown industrial towns of the rust belt are home to the forgotten man and women as donald trump called them. he promised to give them a voice. the former steel worker john both shows us some of the signs of decay. this is called movie theater. building closed. ok see it is the downtown see how close starts to get one industry went twenty seven years ago. so but it's reviving now to start a comeback. i was in weirton at the beginning of last year shortly after donald trump's presidential inauguration there was hope that things would start looking up under the new president. the mayor of the town predicted that trying to restore the u.s. to its rightful place as number one in the world we ask how he feels about it twenty months later. i did support the support of a trump even the union guys are no they're all still they are you know i can see calls that what it is you know no it's. excuse my language i hear all right all that bad stuff i said. but. then you really know where he's coming from. he doesn't have a political agenda i don't believe he really wants to make the cover of this country great again. there are some signs of progress the company has bought a large part of the old steel mill complex and is demolishing it with a view to setting up a modern industrial park. more than one hundred workers were hired in we are two and in recent months that may be a far cry from the town's glory days but these are the first new industrial jobs here for more than twenty years. i arranged to meet an acquaintance at the headquarters of the local steel union. hi mike good to see you again thank you as well thanks for having me in two thousand and sixteen against the advice of his superiors union leader mark clipped as endorsed donald trump in an interview last year he promised golden times for we are . i'm expecting. many jobs that are going to be family sustaining jobs and we could be one of the biggest growth areas in the in the in the east so very optimistic i think good times are ahead for this area it is slower than they had hoped that things are going to come. i think there's any doubt that. we're still no was in the plan has been sold is going to be developed to do things to sustain jobs. in the meantime president trump has imposed tariffs on steel and aluminum imports mark glib just sees it as the only way to tackle unfair. their business practices in china and other countries he blames for the downfall of u.s. industry. fifty bankruptcies didn't occur because fifty companies were mismanaged their career because the government turned their back on america and its workers both democrats and republicans i was never afraid of a trade war and we were the greatest country in the war world and you see people talk i'm i'm afraid of a trade war i don't want to trade war however i wanted to be fair. the head of the congressional elections donald trump has gone to battle again. and it's just like two years ago wherever he makes an appearance thousands flocked to see him. in. his missouri this last year really to. play expecting to. hear. the words. nothing. thank you. just like the demonstrative projection of the media and the appeal to make america great again the small band of counter-demonstrators is part of the ritual. donald trump is not on the ballot but it's all about him. that. nobody shows up and everybody comes complacent. so we need to show up and let them know that we're still out here and we still don't agree with them and never willing to do something that. some people are calling the midterms a referendum on trump's presidency supporters meanwhile are already working toward his reelection in two years' time. yeah well you know i support the president but i supported trent before he was president but that's why i got in the business was because it was trumped so had it been like being car santa take various problems and it's a pride in the country you know we have country we have borders. and this is you know a true change to you we went from zero zero president obama who was you know all boys on board he was pushing now we've come back and the focus has been on the citizens of the united states. so. that's why all these people are here is because they feel their voice matters that. you are making america. jobs are up taxes are down defense are strong again he's working hard on crime he's showing all the things that we put him in office to do. that by the way he got thousands of people outside and you have thousands of people who i just saw it a lovely room but i said next time you have to get here a couple of days earlier i. trump is a is a very charismatic figure he has great skill is as a showman and as an entertainer and he feels things into the anxiety of a certain group of americans who believe the country is passing them by and this is no longer the america that they know and love that america is being undermined by illegal immigrants by gays and lesbians by. minorities demanding special privileges and trump is not a conservative he is a reactionary he is a throwback to an earlier time and that appeals greatly to this largely white older segment of the population. donald trump doesn't just mobilize his supporters he mobilizes his opponents to revisit do buke iowa a typical small town in towns like this and the outer boroughs of cities trump ruled the roost in two thousand and sixteen but the pendulum may be swinging in the opposite direction surveyed say women especially are turning away from the president. we visit lindsay chambers was entered politics herself. the trigger for her came on the day after trump's election victory. i mean. do we have to build a wall. so that career talking about your to the next president was what was it you were concerned. other people just coming to a state. i often say that kids are most important responsibility in our most precious resources so really you know i knew in that moment when to me asked me whether or not we needed to build a wall that was when i knew that i needed to do something more and so that was what activated me to run for the seat. what do you think about mom running now. you know. i'm going. to muse my best supporter for you. and luke is a realistic in the family. keeps me grounded and right. james is running for a seat in the iowa house of representatives. never before have democrats in the state been able to recruit so many women for politics . in a documentary i have bad and. utterly moved by the amount of women who have you know stepped up and said we are not going to stay silent there are protests that happened you know women's marches around the country that are you know showing that women are awake and they're activated and they are going to you know push an advocate for doing what is good and right and just for for women but for everyone so i am really proud of being a part of that we see that in a local level that organizations and you know the people the activists are coming out they are led by women and six of the main goals is to get out the vote for the democrats. alone. you know i would you would mobilizing women against donald trump shouldn't be too difficult he's repeatedly made sexist remarks about women the right of the me to movement and bragged about committing sexual abuse years before he became president and then later on. in the deeds. but signing up to vote is one thing how people actually vote is another you voted republican three years ago yeah donald trump wife. just the last one and would you vote for him again. yeah yeah. thank you. the women that i talk to who will still defend. you know trump as president has more to do with the decisions that he's making as opposed to the content of his character now i think that that's horrifying to me because i want the leaders of our country to be. leaders of incredible integrity so it's really disappointing for me. and i think it does. push an oppressed women you know even more and i think grateful that their women stayed up saying no we won't allow that for that. in. washington d.c. the center of power in america this self-styled anti-establishment man donald trump said he would shake up congress from the white house now he has to be seen on capitol hill more often the republican majority in congress which was initially against him does not dare to challenge the winner especially at election time. a tax reform mainly favoring businesses and the wealthy is the trumpet ministrations model project. but one of the forgotten men and women. nothing the tax cuts are going to help the forgotten men and women deregulation is not going to help the forgotten men and women yes unemployment is low when jobs are being created but that's been true for many many years this is not a trend unique to the trump administration and real. wages but really helps the forgotten people have been pretty much stagnant. it's a big day in cascade iowa. there's an auction on at the local beef market. farmers here have always been grass roots republican voters. we want to know whether that still applies now that the trade dispute with china is dividing. the auctioneer's efforts to drive the price up meat with limited success the prices for the calves are pretty low but there is no guarantee that raising them will be a profitable venture. many of the farmers here prefer to sit back and watch his trump to blame for their financial doldrums he needs to do something to help. the team do oh. i don't know regulate the prices a woman like other countries. did you vote for. here which. china has imposed tariffs on agricultural products in retaliation for trump's trade restrictions now there is not enough demand to meet supply. it's hard to make it ever you get by but you know you're going to get rejected that way sometimes you break even sometimes you know audie by the way right here and. there were injured it during the pour it in for is what boils down to. but he promised something different and he said he's going to tackle the well they make them pay more taxes but actually he i don't like it. i don't like it actually going to i'm sure if you. the beef action yielded some ten percent less than the previous one just a few months ago still the head of the auction house says trump is on the right track i mean i guess we just. for the longest time just kind of did whatever they said and then. we got. donald trump and there is just nothing is enough and. i mean what comes around goes around i guess you know so it will be rough for the next few years but i think once once it comes around it'll be really good for. new york though donald trump's native city did not elect him. the people in this overwhelmingly democratic city have a little more in common with those in the midwest than their mutual mistrust. the austrian investment consultant hands christiane has been working in new york's financial district for more than twenty years even here donald trump was not the favorite candidate for president but after the election wall street went from strength to strength. we don't accomplish when trump actually won i slept rather badly but then the market went up because the stock market is not stupid they immediately started what mr trump said. made three promises. to tax cuts a trillion dollar investment in infrastructure. and deregulation first look to work with the and that's want drove the markets out that was exactly winning back the following day given that. with trump's trade disputes causing concerns wall street has been aware your place in recent weeks. it seems investors haven't quite gotten used to surprises. from the white house after all. if. on get out of and with trump you don't know what will happen know what he will say from one day to the next if you can't sleep for fear of his slip ups then you have invested badly in my opinion you have not diversified your portfolio enough police department always happen and it's only a question of time before the next one comes. is not if i can say that i was. in washington from recently had to defend the reputation of his nominee for the supreme court brett kavanaugh. he was accused by a woman of attempted rape decades ago when she was fifteen and he eighteen. donald trump who has himself been accused of sexual assault by several women went on the counter offensive. people. just democrats. i have been trying to destroy judge brett kavanaugh since. the very first second he was announced and he was announced for one simple reason he is an incredible intellect and incredible person and incredible power there are. most of the people here are not the losers of globalization many of them are from the relatively well off middle classes. what unites them is an aversion to political correctness the coastal elites and the conviction that their man is a straight shooter really most time supporters regard allegations of collusion with russia for hush money to cover up affairs as politically motivated. her the way he's speaking about women. is the first thing i am at her and. i'm. kind of same thing you met your wife when it's just on laugh you too hot dog it's ok. if. men versus women and men are more talking. if it doesn't happen everything i know it's wrong bad things happen like. happens every day. but. even if you supported me my serving our country yeah like i said look all these people who. support what he's doing to make our country better. back in iowa. don't know why when the democrats campaign had. borders interview lindsay james rallies are mostly female support. they plan one last push to get out the vote. especially the female vote. this is everything to set it right i don't know. one of the biggest goals is to reverse the republican majority in congress. that would do a lot to reduce the president's ability to fulfill his electoral promises and legislative. and the like to the fellow at last. it's always encouraging to see many faces thank you for being here. but if you think so yes i know so we're going nowhere so you know so we're working for are doing that is what was said two years ago this is different now there's there's women coming out of the woodwork that never campaigned before and if we were talking about these alleged healthiness and they're saying no we're going to vote democrat this time so you never heard that much before. for some activists mobilizing the electorate is the only way to defeat trunk. this is so important. to many people that can't be bothered and you look at the number of people who did not vote in the last election they're the ones that elect them i am grateful that you are in this with me and lindsey james and her supporters are convinced that they are on the path to victory. and that their approach is a right just one. i am surrounded by people who are you know cheering on women leaders and cheering on democrats across up and down the ballot who are seen the importance of being involved in our political systems and structures and i think people are recognizing that democracy is at stake and the freedom of the press is at stake and women's rights are at stake and our kids are sick. for a different angle we go back to the steel town of beer to him in west virginia. the oldest bar in town used to be a busy place the drinkers here now are all regulars who have been coming here for years many of them used to come in here for a drink after their shifts at the mill. were not forgotten were put away. by her they don't want nothing to do with anybody what is going on all of the others who have got all the coal mines that they were going down or conquer and that. the men here acknowledge that even trump won't be able to bring back the glory days but they say he is on their side nonetheless. i believe he looks out for the people. i mean if you think about it the man did not have to run for presidency. the far as i'm concerned. is more money than what you could shake a stick at and he is faced trying to help out to the country he's looking out for the country i know a lot of people don't believe that but that's my opinion and i'm a democrat and i'm saying that i am a crash. because you're supposed to work with private you got to present requests to work with them. i mean there. were to how long you've been married to your. pretty close to two years. they haven't done anything. anything but. so frank opposing the president is un-american he says it wouldn't have happened in the past. or it may very. well matter go was great. but it will not get great again yet grade why not come in with a lot of very. great again that was the bridge before. why greg. it was very very i was wrong that shit. was you know that. everybody makes good money. you're not used to going as a body go fund a political symbol of. the people everywhere. we have reached the end of our journey through a divided country. it wasn't trying to cause the divisions but he has certainly deepened. after the deadly shooting attack at a synagogue in the 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