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low, 22%. their negative rating is tied for the highest ever. as for the larger american public, this halloween's trick or treat hall has more apples and boxes on razors than the full-size candy bars everyone loves. 70% say the nation is on the wrong track. half are convinced there's going to be another shutdown on january 15th. we start with the man who's not scared of the ghosts and goblins. nbc news senior political editor mark murray. mark, really fascinating poll. nearly half of the country does not identify with either party. they don't feel like they're being heard. 30% say they would prefer an independent or a third-party candidate for congress. that's more than wanted to vote for a republican. it's obviously early. and it's important to factor in the fact that we all have short attention spans. but how do you see this pretty significant desire for a third party impacting the political landscape leading up to the midterms? >> if i'm an incumbent, i'm pretty worried. of course, there's a lot of time. we have a year away until the 2014 midterms. with this anti-washington sentiment that's out there, if you're an incumbent, whether from the senate or house of representatives and you're running for re-election, you have to be very prepared you're going to have an opponent who's going to say, this person's part of washington, elect me because washington's broken and we need some fresh air. of course, that's been an argument we've seen time and time before. washington is broken, let's throw all the bums out. but abby, this time might be a little bit different. one of the poll numbers that really struck me, 63% want to replace their current member of congress with someone else. that's the highest percentage on that question dating back to 1992. there's a lot of dissatisfaction out there. the question is whether that still remains the case a year from now. >> right. mark, dig into who these people are we're talking about, the 30% who want an independent, the folks who won't self-identify as democrats or republicans. do they self-identify with more liberal, more conservative? do they identify with the tea party, or is it really sort of a mixed bag? >> krystal, that's a great question. i ended up digging into the cross tabs this morning to find an answer. the overwhelming number of folks who say they want a third party, and it shouldn't be surprising, are independent voters. these are the people who are usually in the middle. they aren't either usually democrats or republicans. but this was another -- this was the most interesting finding. a good portion of republicans who aren't allied with the tea party say they'd actually be willing to support a third party. so it really isn't the tea party republicans who say they want a third party. it's the republicans who aren't associated with the tea party, which just shows you the struggles that the republican party's having right now, the ideological fight within that party. that is a story that i don't think we're going to have a resolution to over the next several months. >> mark, i want to push back slightly against the idea that incumbents or the status quo has much to worry about. i think when i look at these numbers and everybody's numbers are going down, i think what might happen is we're going to see increasingly depressed turnouts, that nobody wants to get involved with the process. people are disillusioned. typically as we see, 2012, 58% turnout, which is incredibly low given the rest of the world. midterms, 41%. that even seems high to me. so we're going to see folks in the middle, disillusioned, not come out. the fringes will have more power and thus you'll have more polarization and more incumbents who are able to keep the status quo going. >> well, to your point, so far in all the elections we've seen in 2013, the year after last year's presidential contest, turnout's really plummeted. it's not been up. we'll see in next week's elections in new jersey and virginia if that continues to hold true. you are right. sometimes the middle doesn't show up in a midterm election. i think the biggest factor that we'll end up seeing is just the playing field. the big senate races are going to be in states like arkansas, alaska, louisiana. it's not your presidential battlegrounds we saw last year in ohio and in virginia. of course, you end up having the battlegrounds in house congressional districts. as you guys and others have pointed out, due to gerrymandering and self-sorting, these also aren't your probably most even playing fields at all. so geography is going to play out just as much as turnout. >> and you know, mark, it's halloween. i can't help but notice you wore your costume today as a handsome and measured journalist. >> well, thank you, ari. >> you're welcome. >> ari's dressed up as that too. >> i try. it's hard every day. what i want to ask you, though, is about some of the numbers in this poll that suggest perhaps we have an american public that's far more patient than sort of the political class and some of the media class that has been very a.d.d. republicans were on the march over, you know, the shutdown. obama was in trouble. then obama was victorious. then he's back in trouble. when you look specifically at the website aca question there, what you see is you've got a rough third of the country that says, hey, these problems are fixable. more than another third says it's too early to tell. i think that's the right answer impeerically. it is too early to tell a verdict here on the rollout of the aca. what do you think that tells us about sort of a contrast between a patient public and an a.d.d. political class? >> you know, i think that's a great point that you end up making. you know, when you looked at our poll, president obama took some hits, it seems, on the aca rollout, but the law really didn't. as you mentioned, there does seem to be a lot of patience from americans, more so than folks from the media. i'd also mention folks on capitol hill, including democrats, who are very nervous. they were just meeting with the obama white house today going over what they are very worried about regarding this website. but they do have some time. they don't have a whole lot of time, but they do have some time. the white house has circled that november 30th date on its calendar. i think the entire political world, journalists, politicians, everyone else is going to be able to see if they make that time, if they make it by november 30th, there's not going to be a big problem. if all of the sudden there are problems that come along after november 30th, then i do think that we end up getting to a situation where this becomes a much bigger political problem. >> one of the biggest, most interesting numbers out of the poll for me was that 50% think that we are likely to have another shutdown. i think that number needs a lot of unpacking. who are these folks? are they folks from the far right who want another shutdown, folks from the left who are afraid of another shutdown? are they folks saying they're angry that washington is moving this direction? are they folks who are saying they are numb to the prospect of another shutdown because they feel like we went through one without that much direct pain for a lot of americans? they don't understand what the shutdown did to america. so who is in that 50%? >> i think it's more the latter. i think these are people who are numb and so dissatisfied with washington they accept this is just the status quo. then you look at today's activity in the united states senate where mel watt, the congressman from north carolina was blocked to head up the federal housing administration and housing agency, one of president obama's picks to head up the d.c. circuit court of appeals was blocked by filibuster. people just say washington is broken. this is just standard operating procedure. if you're looking -- if the past hikt ri is predictive, some people might not be all that far off if there's not some time of government shutdown in the future, i think we're going to get pretty close to it. >> right. a lot of frightening numbers in this poll and a real indication the american people simply lack confidence with their political leaders. as the man that understands these polls better than any of us, what was most shocking to you? >> i think it was the 63% of the folks want to elect a new member of congress. we do know -- and i was just saying at the beginning, this is why i think that incumbents should be worried because nothing is easier than being an incumbent and winning re-election. of course, we see incumbents go down from time to time. but usually the winning percentage is something like 90% or so. but with 63% saying, look, i want my member of congress, the person who i know, i want a new person in that office. that's a big warning sign and that's something that really surprised me and of course, as i mentioned, that's the highest percentage we've had in that question dating back to 1992. >> quite a poll. thanks for breaking this down, mark murray. we always appreciate it. >> thank you. >> up next, the great and powerful putin. a freaky role reversal between the russian leader and president obama. 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>> you know, i mean, i don't want to go too crazy with this. i don't know that "forbes" gave putin the top billing for all the right reasons, but i think there is definitely something to be said for the fact that this president, through no fault of his own, because a certain grouping of the republican party have decided they would basically do whatever it takes to keep anything that he wants to have accomplished from being accomplished, i think he does lack a certain power at this point. now, that could be rectified with a strong 2014, which republicans are doing everything in their power to hand him, but we just heard reporting from mark murray. he can't even get his nominations confirming for basic offices. >> i don't know -- >> i'm going to go off krystal's comment. i think this list should be a wake-up call. i think this recent poll that came out should be a wake-up call because the president -- you look over the past few months, you can laugh at me all you want, but the numbers speak for themselves. the president has not acted as if he's in control. this strategy of i don't know or i didn't know as it relates to the nsa leaks or obama care -- >> that's not my point. >> no, the "forbes" ranking should not and will not be a wake-up call to the president. maybe he cares about these poll numbers, but he's not running anymore. he should not be running the presidency and the nation as if following these sort of poll numbers and this sort of ranking that pooutin is more powerful tn the president is completely absurd. this whole game is completely absurd. it partly deals with the idea of syria and this fallacy that not using force is less powerful than using force, so the president decides not to go into syria. so putin is more powerful. >> no, but i do think that the president should focus on the poll numbers. this is the american people speaking. what they're saying is, you know, you have not provided us with a whole lot of reassurance, a whole lot of confidence as president in moments of crisis where we need our commander in chief to make us feel like everything is going to be okay. i think they've taken a step back and said along with that, congress is clearly not getting anything done. we actually want compromise. we want our leaders to get things done. i think obama should take this very seriously. >> the right is surely not talking about compromise. >> what do you think, ar snirks. >> hey, you guys. >> hey, there. >> you're hitting on something that republicans clearly want to seize on, abby, which is this idea that whenever something big and bad happens, he doesn't know about it, right. now, politically -- >> so he says. >> right. so politically, that may be a problem. in fact, your aument that basically from the website to nsa, he's like, i don't know what's going on. >> that doesn't wear on the american people longer term. doesn't provide a lot of confidence. >> we're still stuck on this idea he didn't know what the nsa was doing. but we know better. we have intelligence officials who are saying not only did he know, but he approved this sort of stuff. >> i just want to clarify that my point is a different one. we have ratings agencies also saying that the american economy is undermined by the dysfunction in washington. i'm not calling on the president to be a better leader. i think that is a silly and simplistic notion. i am pointing out the fact that you have a group in congress that have decided they don't care if they hold the country hostage, they don't care if they hold the economy hostage, they don't care if they blow up their own party, they will do whatever they can to undermine the president. >> you also have -- guys, you also have -- >> you're absolutely right that the right has decided whoever is president, whoever is democratic president, that they will obstruct anything they want to do. this is not that obama could play this differently. we have a right that has decided to stop whatever motion that he wants. >> well, it's clear that the right has their own ideological struggles. they're down at a 22% approval rating, the lowest ever in history. but i go back to the fact that the american people are clearly wanting compromise. when the president comes out there and says, i'm not willing to compromise on anything with republicans, i'm just saying the numbers speak for themself. you can laugh at me and say this is not the case. this is what the american people are saying. >> who is he going to compromise with? john boehner? john boehner and harry reid had a deal ironed out before the shutdown to pass a continuing resolution and avoid a shutdown. they had that deal. boehner couldn't deliver because i had caucus wanted to hold the country hostage. who is it the president is supposed to be compromising with? >> i'm just saying the american people look to the commander in chief to take charge. that's his role. guys, you know i'm not disagreeing on the fact the republicans, many of them, have made it virtually impossible to compromise. you know i'm not disagreeing on that. my point here is that the american people are saying we need to -- >> so we can't come here and say, the president should lead, when the right is saying, we won't go anywhere with him. whatever you want, even if you adopt a policy that came from the heritage foundation, we will oppose that tooth and nail with everything we can, with every possible idea we can. so where's the idea that he should lead more? he's not a king. he can't do everything. >> i think there have been a few moments over the past few months where he's had to walk back what he's said, whether it's on health care, whether it's on calling for the red line. i think he's had to walk them back. i think he's had to change his tune. those are the moments where the american people are saying, where's the president that told me one thing a few months ago and it's suddenly very different and i have to change my insurance plan, whether or not it's better for them. why not tell me that years ago? >> for one thing, in 2010 they were very clear. "new york times," others reported that we knew certain members, and millions of folks within the individual marketplace would have to change their plans. we knew that. in terms of syria, you talk about red line, obviously when the information changes, you should change. having this sort of idea that i just do whatever i want to do, this george bush idea of i'm going to do whatever no matter the information, doesn't make any sense. the fact the president was able to walk that very thin line and not end up killing thousands of people in syria is actually to his credit when others would have thrown the bomb. >> we always say opinions are opinions, but facts speak for themselves. i'm strictly relying on the results of this poll and what clearly the american people are saying. >> ari, i think if the president would just have lunch with john boehner more often and invite putin, that's a great idea. >> i think lunch with the right-wing republicans and putin with a little golf, hit the links afterward -- >> you know i'm a big fan of twister. you got a get a game of twister in there. >> no, i think this has been a really interesting back and forth in the sense that i come down obviously closer to toure's conclusion. >> no, you don't. >> what about you, krystal? >> i think what you're arctic laarctic -- articulating is that the american people, for some reasons fair and unfair, like issues on syria and the nsa, there hasn't been -- i wouldn't call it a vasculcuum of leaders. i wouldn't go as far as you put it. but i would say a mixed message for the public to end where we end up. someone who's critical of the process in syria and very comfortable and encouraged by where we're going, we had a deadline coming this week, we have the syrian government submitting chemical weapons to the international organization, diplomacy. now, has the president explained to everyone and reasserted what's going on there? no. in fact, he's had to deal with a lot of manufactured crises by the congress, which goes to krystal's point which is why it's not as simple as saying, well, look, you've got to lead, you've got to meet -- you know, he's leading them out of their own desire to sabotage the economy. i thought this was interesting. >> thank you for sanctioning our segment. i'm glad it met your approval, ari. >> thank you for noting that. >> well, let me tell you something. sometimes when you're quiet, people are like, it happens at the dinner table too. you're like, were you not into it? no, i was so into it. i was just listening. >> you became a spectator. i love it. awesome. we're glad to amuse you. >> this is awkward enough. it's a wrap. >> up next, we have a real american horror story for millions of americans. 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>> walk down the aisle of a grocery store. walk into your cvs or rite-aid, and pretty much everything is dealt with in the farm bill. not directly, but when it comes to the safety of our food, the safety of our tylenol, the safety of any prescription drugs. you said it, steaks to milk, all of that is contained within the farm bill. a traditionally nonpartisan bill that was always sort of divided up. the southerners got what they wanted. the northeasterners got what they wanted. the midwesterners got corn, et cetera, et cetera. that's always been the case until last year. unfortunately, the farm bill has now sort of broken down into even more of a -- it's come along with this partisanship that's taken over the capitol behind me. the house passed their bill. senate passed their bill as well. they're going to conference. but the house did something interesting. for the first time ever, they took out the s.n.a.p., which is food stamps, out of the bill. $40 billion cut over ten years. they took it out of the bill. that made a lot of folks mad, not just progressives either. it made a lot of republicans mad. so here we are and we've got this bill before us. we got to figure out how to fix the problem. get it done. >> jimmy, you're absolutely right. this discussion you talk about, about taking food stamps out of this whole thing, and the whole discussion about the farm bill makes me mad. we see what else is in the farm bill is the center of modern conservative thinking, run eric cantor talking about the farm bill. >> the dignity of a job is what things should be about in these programs. in fact, going back to 1996 when a republican congress worked with president bill clinton, they overhauled the welfare program in this country and instituted a work requirement. that's all this does. what it says is, if you're able-bodied, you should be willing to work, not that you have to have a job because there's many parts of the country that don't, but that you could go and participate in community service activities or work fair program. again, most people would say, no, i don't want a life of dependency. >> if you're able-bodied, you should be willing to work. this is more of the 47% of the conservative thinking about people are takers, that they lack motivation, that the poor lack character, that it's the liberal culture of dependency that's the reason why they are like this and if we just take away the safety net, they'll be fine and better. the problem is not the lack of intergenerational class in america. it's the culture of dependency and the character of the poor, that they don't want to work, which is so angering and disgusting to a lot of us. >> here's the problem with what eric cantor just said. he says they ought to be able-bodied. he said they ought to be able to go out and do job training. they cut job training and worker assistance when they cut the s.n.a.p. benefits. they cut that program. that's the problem here. you can't tell me that you want people -- you have a congressman, this guy from the eighth district of tennessee, republican, came in with the tea party. he's a cotton farmer in tennessee. that guy, his family got something like $3.5 million in direct subsidies from the taxpayer, but he went to the floor during this debate and said, quoted from the bible, from god's word, and said that if you're able-bodied you should work. if you can't work, you shall no eat. but we're subsidizing this guy. the average s.n.a.p. person gets $133 a month in benefits from taxpayers. if you take the amount of money his family got from 1999 to 2012, you know what his subsidy per month was? $20,833. it's the height of hypocrisy. listen, i don't mind if you have a policy disagreement and you think people should work on it. whatever, fine. but don't be a hypocrite about it for god's sakes. at least own up to your own subsidies that, by the way, you and i are paying for cotton farmers. by the way, debbie stabeno, chairman of the subcommittee, cut out direct subsidies in her bill. the house cut out all of theirs except for cotton farmers, the only industry that gets direct payments to date under the house bill would be cotton farmers like that congressman. that's amazing. >> that's disgusting. >> jimmy, what you're highlighting and the facts and numbers you're providing are essential here. there's been this talk that the farm bill was always this bipartisan thing and it's a part of the decline of congress, that it's gotten so hard to pass. i kind of descent from that. i understand people feel like nothing passes and that's frustrating. on the other hand, this was a lot of bipartisan handouts. the environmental working group estimated up to $9 billion a year in subsidies that overlap with what you're talking about. don't you think there's a chance here that while the house republicans have been hypocritical, there's also a chance we get out some of the subsidies and get a real chance to think about the value system here of folks who would rather take out school lunches before these subsidiesubsidies? >> i'm fine with the issues of subsidies when it comes to things like crop insurance, especially for specialty programs. fruits and vegetables, things we like to eat, as opposed to corn for feed or cotton or tobacco or soybeans. that's always been crop insured. now all these other things we actually consume will be. i'm fine with that. i have zero problem subsidizini that as a taxpayer. i do have a problem, however, let's take sugar for example. the federal government this year alone will buy back from the sugar growers over $300 million worth of sugar, and they'll put it in a warehouse. why? because the government guarantees that if the sugar price goes below a certain number -- right now it's at 16 cents a pound. if that number goes below that, the federal government has to buy sugar and we have to put it in a warehouse. i don't know about you, but i'm not sure what the federal government and taxpayers are going to do with warehouses feeled with $300 million worth of sugar because we're propping up four sugar families down in florida, louisiana, and alabama. that, to me, is absurd. that's what should be cut out. >> unbelievable. jimmy, where are we? what's going to ultimately happen with this? >> well, listen, i will say this about the house bill. they did put in some -- they went towards chairwoman stabenow and put in specialty crops, the things we actually eat, consume that make us go. but they're going to have to figure out the s.n.a.p. stuff. you can't legitimately say, you know, the average person on snap is ten months or less. ten months or less. they make it sound like people are sitting on welfare for 15 years, which is not the case. >> right. >> that's the big divide. that's the bridge they've got to cross. they've got to fix that. after that, you're just talking about numbers at that point. the house and senate bill are pretty close. >> they have to figure it out. jimmy, i can guess your answer to this one, but we asked our halloween facebook fans if someone came to your house trick or treating as senator ted cruz, what candy would you give him? we've had some real creative answers. good-b goobers, gummy works and jaw breakers. like us on facebook and check us out on thecycle .msnbc.com. there's also several halloween themed pieces. what would you give ted cruz in terms of coming to your house as a trick or treater? keep it clean. >> probably give him some benadryl so he'd go to sleep and shut the hell up. >> strong answer. >> or that bazooka joe edition where they teach you what a filibuster is in the cartoon so he can finally know what it is. happy halloween. >> oh, boy. all right. jimmy, thanks for joining us. up next, you're likely to see lots of little kids dressed up as one of these, but we have a real live one onset up next. no, it's not miley cyrus. the american dream is of a better future, a confident retirement. those dreams, there's just no way we're going to let them die. ♪ like they helped millions of others. by listening. planning. working one on one. that's what ameriprise financial does. that's what they can do with you. that's how ameriprise puts more within reach. ♪ your husband left his cell phone on. and you're not necessarily proud of that. but tonight, he made the pizza. ...with johnsonville italian sausage. the premium cuts of pork and perfect blend of herbs and spices gave every bite even more flavor. and everyone loved it. and you're definitely proud of that. johnsonville. served with pride since 1945. ♪ ♪ nothing says, "you're my #1 copilot," like a milk-bone biscuit. ♪ say it with milk-bone. right now little ones around the country are donning costumes and plotting out their trick-or-treating routes in pursuit of candy. i, myself, have two baby pandas getting suited up at home. inspiration panda cam, of course. in the mix, you're likely to see some of these. ever since the first astronauts blasted off into space, their mini proteges have been a staple of the halloween holiday. in the guest spot, we have a treat. real-life astronaut colonel chris hadfield. he followed his dream to the stars and logged nearly 4,000 hours in space and bringing a whole new youtube generation along for the ride. ♪ this is major tom to ground control ♪ ♪ i've left forever more and i'm floating in a most peculiar way ♪ >> his zero gravity of "space odyssey" has 16 million hits to date. it's one of the many out of had world internet kpcommentaries that's made chris a super star. author of the new book "an astronaut's guide to life on earth," he joins us in the guest spot. thank you so much for being with us. >> thanks for opening up the guest spot. i appreciate it. glad to be here. >> one of the things that people do know you best for is the videos that you uploaded. some of them had to do with sort of like daily life in space. so what are some of the things that we wouldn't necessarily expect that are crazy or hard to deal with in space. >> so you want to brush your teeth. seems simple, right? well, we take a thing of water and you squirt. now there's a ball of water floating in space in front of you. take your toothbrush velcroed to the wall, put a little toothpaste on, brush your teeth. of course, there's no sink. you kind of either just spit out the toothpaste or swallow it. clean up. >> it's not bad for you like they say. >> it's not going to kill you. clean out the toothbrush, float another ball of water, clean your toothbrush, velcro is to the wall, you're done. but that applies to everything from the complex to the mundane. >> it's interesting. tell us how it feels to be in that sort of weightless world. you were there five months straight. what's it feel like? >> you would love it. you're weightless. it's the coolest thing ever. like in the bowie video. but being able to touch the wall and do 100 somersaults. it's like having a super power. it's like a magic thing. at the same time, when you look out the window, the whole world is pouring by at 5 miles a second. >> do your insides feel different? >> when you first get there, they sure do. they feel awful. you want to throw up. after a while, you get normal. you can't burp in space because if you think about it, the gas isn't at the top of your stomach. it's sort of like bubbles and gas and solid altogether. so you can't burp in space. otherwise, your insides feel about normal once you get used to it. >> ari, you can't burp in space. you'd be lost. >> the first wave of astronauts were held up as big figures in public life. they were media stars. now you've done something very differe different. you might be better known for all the videos you've done. you've sort of taken the experience of it and maybe the science of it and cut around the media and gone directly to the public with it. why was that important to you? what do you want people to get out of that? >> for me, the ultimate reality tv was the first moon landing. if you think about it, a billion people worldwide were invited in to watch something unscripted, live, see how it goes, whatever they say, whatever happens, happens. and it was hugely effective for the same reasons that social media is effective today. if you show people honestly what's happening, if you invite them in, you don't force them to watch, you don't yell at them, just say, come see what's happening. that's what we did on board our time on space station. you can come look if you like. as a result, millions of people got to see what it's really like living in space, not just the science and the experiments, but just people up there living, doing things, brushing our fooefooet teeth, making music. >> you gave a quote to "usa today" about what it was like to do a space walk. you said, in one hand, you're holding on to a space shuttle or space station, a human creation, just holding on with one hand. if you look the other way, the entire rest of everything else, the universe is right there underneath your feet. it just made me think about, you know, most of us in our daily lives, we get wrapped up in taking the kids to school and brushing your teeth and getting to your job. do you have a sort of deeper grip on the infinite and more awareness of the infinite and the profound in your day-to-day life because your job and your work centers around contemplating space? >> i've had a visual perspective that is extremely rare in the human experience. i think there's been 200 of us out of the 7 billion in our whole history that have ever walked in space. so i'm not sure that it makes me any better, but it's a really strong, clear perspective of our place in it. if anything, it shows that we are a little less significant than sometimes we think in our daily lives. but also, we're in this together. and you really get a sense of that. it's pretty easy to think that where you are is the most important place in the world, but when you see the whole thing around and around 2,500 times, you start to get a better sense of how we all actually fit in. >> i went sky diving, which is a fraction of your experience, but had that same sense of how small we are within this whole thing. >> sky diving is just like the colonel. >> he gave a caveat there. all right, colonel. thanks very much. >> thanks. nice to meet you. >> and up next, before there was "sharknado," there was sharktapus. inside the twisted mind that brought us some of the best/worst movies of all times, including "little shop of horrors," and the classic "wasp woman." >> who could possibly want to hurt him? 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"little shop of horrors," "night called nurses," "last woman on earth." here's a taste. ♪ [ screaming ] >> no! >> a plague? >> yes. a plague of evil. ♪ >> madam, spare yourself the red death. >> awesome. the so-called roger coreman school of film making is star studded. directors who worked under him and actors who worked with him. our next guest has put together a book about his work called "crab hon sters, teenage cavemen, and candy stripe nurses." the king of the "b" movies. the book is almost as much fun as his films. chris, films are extraordinary. but, you know, the movies are bad, but they're good. how did he do that? >> well, i think, you know, he was making these movies for really, really cheap. sometimes in two or three days. >> yeah. >> so, you know, you can't help but see some scotch tape and chewing gum holding the sets together. considering the restraint s he was dealing with the movies are really, really great. >> going through surveying his work in your book, he fully understands and appreciates the power of boobies. >> very powerful. i was trying to tell him. look, people have been going to see sex in movies since movies bega began, and he certainly understood that. he started off in the period when the drive-in was everything. people would go to the drive-ins to see things th s that were ta and make out. he knew his audience and catered to them pretty well. >> how did he enup, looking at these movies, how do you end up in a place where, oh, making these movies is my calling? >> i think it's very lucrative business. he produced more than 400 movies. you can imagine that when you make movies, maybe they're bad, maybe they're great. they always make money. you stick with that formula. >> but he's made these bad movies. yet the people from the roger corman school of film making are extraordinary folks, scorsese, don howard, dennis hopper and even covax, the great sinning to f cinemetographer? >> roger corman's studio was always a place you could find a way into the forbidden king tdo of movie making. he'd give young people who were willing to work cheap their first big break. yuck, talented people coming to work on your movies. they're getting invaluable experience on the films and take it on to their careers after. >> the book is awesome. thanks for being here, chris. up next, the masked marauder who abby says should be terrifying to the gop. avo: the volkswagen "sign then drive" sales event is back. which means it's never been easier to get a new passat, awarded j.d. power's most appealing midsize car, two years in a row. and right now you can drive one home for practically just your signature. get zero due at signing, zero down, zero deposit, and zero first month's payment on any new 2014 volkswagen. hurry, this offer ends october 31st. for details, visit vwdealer.com today. 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"the term flame thrower is not something i would say is self-descriptive when it comes to me. that's not really my personality to be a flame thrower. that implies someone ut there who wants to stir things up just for the sake of stirring things up." wow. hard to believe that statement came from the same man, now considered one of the most polarizes political figures in country, virtually tied to the hip of ted cruz and treated like a celebrity by conservative act vists who see him as a hero for holding the government hostage over obama care. how is it playing back home? the answer. pretty door poorly. the junior senator is facing serious backlash for his extreme antics. lea not only has lee lost support of the broader public in utah, he's also quickly falling out of favor with key funders of his 2010 campaign. scott anderson, the president of a prominent utah bank who raised money for lee, said, "if things are to happen, you can't just stick to your principles. you have to make things work. you've got to be practical." then there's utah native spencer zwick, the finance chairman for mitt romney's 2012 campaign. he has branded lee a show horse and has vowed to campaign against the senator saying, "business leaders that i talked to, many of whom supported lee, would never support his re-election, and in fact, will work against him including myself." hmm. okay. i've got some insider utah politics for you. i hear mitt romney's son, josh romney, has been looking for an opening to run for office in utah. challenging the not the so popular lee actually sounds like the perfect opportunity, and hey, maybe even a moderate democrat like jim mathson will jump in there, too. one thing is for sure, utahans have gotten less than they bargained for with senator mike lee. he wasn't the consensus choice. he was just a creature of the conservative movement. so mr. lee, it's been fun, it's been a nice run, but your inability to be practical, livid reality, and actually represent the very people who got you elected, has likely already cost you your re-election in 2016. raising outside money cannot save you, and attempting to maybe change your tune can't save you, either. because if there's one thing i know about utahans, they like prop solvers. day like authenticity and like loyalty. we're not talking about loyalty to the junior senator from texas. okay? that does it for "the cycle." now to a man that all of us are very loyal to, martin bashir, all your. good afternoon. it's thursday october the 31st. and a very happy halloween. or is it?

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as for the larger american public, this halloween's trick or treat hall has more apples and boxes on razors than the full-size candy bars everyone loves. 70% say the nation is on the wrong track. half are convinced there's going to be another shutdown on january 15th. we start with the man who's not scared of the ghosts and goblins. nbc news senior political editor mark murray. mark, really fascinating poll. nearly half of the country does not identify with either party. they don't feel like they're being heard. 30% say they would prefer an independent or a third-party candidate for congress. that's more than wanted to vote for a republican. it's obviously early. and it's important to factor in the fact that we all have short attention spans. but how do you see this pretty significant desire for a third party impacting the political landscape leading up to the midterms? >> if i'm an incumbent, i'm pretty worried. of course, there's a lot of time. we have a year away until the 2014 midterms. with this anti-washington sentiment that's out there, if you're an incumbent, whether from the senate or house of representatives and you're running for re-election, you have to be very prepared you're going to have an opponent who's going to say, this person's part of washington, elect me because washington's broken and we need some fresh air. of course, that's been an argument we've seen time and time before. washington is broken, let's throw all the bums out. but abby, this time might be a little bit different. one of the poll numbers that really struck me, 63% want to replace their current member of congress with someone else. that's the highest percentage on that question dating back to 1992. there's a lot of dissatisfaction out there. the question is whether that still remains the case a year from now. >> right. mark, dig into who these people are we're talking about, the 30% who want an independent, the folks who won't self-identify as democrats or republicans. do they self-identify with more liberal, more conservative? do they identify with the tea party, or is it really sort of a mixed bag? >> krystal, that's a great question. i ended up digging into the cross tabs this morning to find an answer. the overwhelming number of folks who say they want a third party, and it shouldn't be surprising, are independent voters. these are the people who are usually in the middle. they aren't either usually democrats or republicans. but this was another -- this was the most interesting finding. a good portion of republicans who aren't allied with the tea party say they'd actually be willing to support a third party. so it really isn't the tea party republicans who say they want a third party. it's the republicans who aren't associated with the tea party, which just shows you the struggles that the republican party's having right now, the ideological fight within that party. that is a story that i don't think we're going to have a resolution to over the next several months. >> mark, i want to push back slightly against the idea that incumbents or the status quo has much to worry about. i think when i look at these numbers and everybody's numbers are going down, i think what might happen is we're going to see increasingly depressed turnouts, that nobody wants to get involved with the process. people are disillusioned. typically as we see, 2012, 58% turnout, which is incredibly low given the rest of the world. midterms, 41%. that even seems high to me. so we're going to see folks in the middle, disillusioned, not come out. the fringes will have more power and thus you'll have more polarization and more incumbents who are able to keep the status quo going. >> well, to your point, so far in all the elections we've seen in 2013, the year after last year's presidential contest, turnout's really plummeted. it's not been up. we'll see in next week's elections in new jersey and virginia if that continues to hold true. you are right. sometimes the middle doesn't show up in a midterm election. i think the biggest factor that we'll end up seeing is just the playing field. the big senate races are going to be in states like arkansas, alaska, louisiana. it's not your presidential battlegrounds we saw last year in ohio and in virginia. of course, you end up having the battlegrounds in house congressional districts. as you guys and others have pointed out, due to gerrymandering and self-sorting, these also aren't your probably most even playing fields at all. so geography is going to play out just as much as turnout. >> and you know, mark, it's halloween. i can't help but notice you wore your costume today as a handsome and measured journalist. >> well, thank you, ari. >> you're welcome. >> ari's dressed up as that too. >> i try. it's hard every day. what i want to ask you, though, is about some of the numbers in this poll that suggest perhaps we have an american public that's far more patient than sort of the political class and some of the media class that has been very a.d.d. republicans were on the march over, you know, the shutdown. obama was in trouble. then obama was victorious. then he's back in trouble. when you look specifically at the website aca question there, what you see is you've got a rough third of the country that says, hey, these problems are fixable. more than another third says it's too early to tell. i think that's the right answer impeerically. it is too early to tell a verdict here on the rollout of the aca. what do you think that tells us about sort of a contrast between a patient public and an a.d.d. political class? >> you know, i think that's a great point that you end up making. you know, when you looked at our poll, president obama took some hits, it seems, on the aca rollout, but the law really didn't. as you mentioned, there does seem to be a lot of patience from americans, more so than folks from the media. i'd also mention folks on capitol hill, including democrats, who are very nervous. they were just meeting with the obama white house today going over what they are very worried about regarding this website. but they do have some time. they don't have a whole lot of time, but they do have some time. the white house has circled that november 30th date on its calendar. i think the entire political world, journalists, politicians, everyone else is going to be able to see if they make that time, if they make it by november 30th, there's not going to be a big problem. if all of the sudden there are problems that come along after november 30th, then i do think that we end up getting to a situation where this becomes a much bigger political problem. >> one of the biggest, most interesting numbers out of the poll for me was that 50% think that we are likely to have another shutdown. i think that number needs a lot of unpacking. who are these folks? are they folks from the far right who want another shutdown, folks from the left who are afraid of another shutdown? are they folks saying they're angry that washington is moving this direction? are they folks who are saying they are numb to the prospect of another shutdown because they feel like we went through one without that much direct pain for a lot of americans? they don't understand what the shutdown did to america. so who is in that 50%? >> i think it's more the latter. i think these are people who are numb and so dissatisfied with washington they accept this is just the status quo. then you look at today's activity in the united states senate where mel watt, the congressman from north carolina was blocked to head up the federal housing administration and housing agency, one of president obama's picks to head up the d.c. circuit court of appeals was blocked by filibuster. people just say washington is broken. this is just standard operating procedure. if you're looking -- if the past hikt ri is predictive, some people might not be all that far off if there's not some time of government shutdown in the future, i think we're going to get pretty close to it. >> right. a lot of frightening numbers in this poll and a real indication the american people simply lack confidence with their political leaders. as the man that understands these polls better than any of us, what was most shocking to you? >> i think it was the 63% of the folks want to elect a new member of congress. we do know -- and i was just saying at the beginning, this is why i think that incumbents should be worried because nothing is easier than being an incumbent and winning re-election. of course, we see incumbents go down from time to time. but usually the winning percentage is something like 90% or so. but with 63% saying, look, i want my member of congress, the person who i know, i want a new person in that office. that's a big warning sign and that's something that really surprised me and of course, as i mentioned, that's the highest percentage we've had in that question dating back to 1992. >> quite a poll. thanks for breaking this down, mark murray. we always appreciate it. >> thank you. >> up next, the great and powerful putin. a freaky role reversal between the russian leader and president obama. 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>> you know, i mean, i don't want to go too crazy with this. i don't know that "forbes" gave putin the top billing for all the right reasons, but i think there is definitely something to be said for the fact that this president, through no fault of his own, because a certain grouping of the republican party have decided they would basically do whatever it takes to keep anything that he wants to have accomplished from being accomplished, i think he does lack a certain power at this point. now, that could be rectified with a strong 2014, which republicans are doing everything in their power to hand him, but we just heard reporting from mark murray. he can't even get his nominations confirming for basic offices. >> i don't know -- >> i'm going to go off krystal's comment. i think this list should be a wake-up call. i think this recent poll that came out should be a wake-up call because the president -- you look over the past few months, you can laugh at me all you want, but the numbers speak for themselves. the president has not acted as if he's in control. this strategy of i don't know or i didn't know as it relates to the nsa leaks or obama care -- >> that's not my point. >> no, the "forbes" ranking should not and will not be a wake-up call to the president. maybe he cares about these poll numbers, but he's not running anymore. he should not be running the presidency and the nation as if following these sort of poll numbers and this sort of ranking that pooutin is more powerful tn the president is completely absurd. this whole game is completely absurd. it partly deals with the idea of syria and this fallacy that not using force is less powerful than using force, so the president decides not to go into syria. so putin is more powerful. >> no, but i do think that the president should focus on the poll numbers. this is the american people speaking. what they're saying is, you know, you have not provided us with a whole lot of reassurance, a whole lot of confidence as president in moments of crisis where we need our commander in chief to make us feel like everything is going to be okay. i think they've taken a step back and said along with that, congress is clearly not getting anything done. we actually want compromise. we want our leaders to get things done. i think obama should take this very seriously. >> the right is surely not talking about compromise. >> what do you think, ar snirks. >> hey, you guys. >> hey, there. >> you're hitting on something that republicans clearly want to seize on, abby, which is this idea that whenever something big and bad happens, he doesn't know about it, right. now, politically -- >> so he says. >> right. so politically, that may be a problem. in fact, your argument that basically from the website to nsa, he's like, i don't know what's going on. >> that doesn't wear on the american people longer term. doesn't provide a lot of confidence. >> we're still stuck on this idea he didn't know what the nsa was doing. but we know better. we have intelligence officials who are saying not only did he know, but he approved this sort of stuff. >> i just want to clarify that my point is a different one. we have ratings agencies also saying that the american economy is undermined by the dysfunction in washington. i'm not calling on the president to be a better leader. i think that is a silly and simplistic notion. i am pointing out the fact that you have a group in congress that have decided they don't care if they hold the country hostage, they don't care if they hold the economy hostage, they don't care if they blow up their own party, they will do whatever they can to undermine the president. >> you also have -- guys, you also have -- >> you're absolutely right that the right has decided whoever is president, whoever is democratic president, that they will obstruct anything they want to do. this is not that obama could play this differently. we have a right that has decided to stop whatever motion that he wants. >> well, it's clear that the right has their own ideological struggles. they're down at a 22% approval rating, the lowest ever in history. but i go back to the fact that the american people are clearly wanting compromise. when the president comes out there and says, i'm not willing to compromise on anything with republicans, i'm just saying the numbers speak for themself. you can laugh at me and say this is not the case. this is what the american people are saying. >> who is he going to compromise with? john boehner? john boehner and harry reid had a deal ironed out before the shutdown to pass a continuing resolution and avoid a shutdown. they had that deal. boehner couldn't deliver because i had caucus wanted to hold the country hostage. who is it the president is supposed to be compromising with? >> i'm just saying the american people look to the commander in chief to take charge. that's his role. guys, you know i'm not disagreeing on the fact the republicans, many of them, have made it virtually impossible to compromise. you know i'm not disagreeing on that. my point here is that the american people are saying we need to -- >> so we can't come here and say, the president should lead, when the right is saying, we won't go anywhere with him. whatever you want, even if you adopt a policy that came from the heritage foundation, we will oppose that tooth and nail with everything we can, with every possible idea we can. so where's the idea that he should lead more? he's not a king. he can't do everything. >> i think there have been a few moments over the past few months where he's had to walk back what he's said, whether it's on health care, whether it's on calling for the red line. i think he's had to walk them back. i think he's had to change his tune. those are the moments where the american people are saying, where's the president that told me one thing a few months ago and it's suddenly very different and i have to change my insurance plan, whether or not it's better for them. why not tell me that years ago? >> for one thing, in 2010 they were very clear. "new york times," others reported that we knew certain members, and millions of folks within the individual marketplace would have to change their plans. we knew that. in terms of syria, you talk about red line, obviously when the information changes, you should change. having this sort of idea that i just do whatever i want to do, this george bush idea of i'm going to do whatever no matter the information, doesn't make any sense. the fact the president was able to walk that very thin line and not end up killing thousands of people in syria is actually to his credit when others would have thrown the bomb. >> we always say opinions are opinions, but facts speak for themselves. i'm strictly relying on the results of this poll and what clearly the american people are saying. >> ari, i think if the president would just have lunch with john boehner more often and invite putin, that's a great idea. >> i think lunch with the right-wing republicans and putin with a little golf, hit the links afterward -- >> you know i'm a big fan of twister. you got a get a game of twister in there. >> no, i think this has been a really interesting back and forth in the sense that i come down obviously closer to toure's conclusion. >> no, you don't. >> what about you, krystal? >> i think what you're arctic laarctic -- articulating is that the american people, for some reasons fair and unfair, like issues on syria and the nsa, there hasn't been -- i wouldn't call it a vasculcuum of leaders. i wouldn't go as far as you put it. but i would say a mixed message for the public to end where we end up. someone who's critical of the process in syria and very comfortable and encouraged by where we're going, we had a deadline coming this week, we have the syrian government submitting chemical weapons to the international organization, diplomacy. now, has the president explained to everyone and reasserted what's going on there? no. in fact, he's had to deal with a lot of manufactured crises by the congress, which goes to krystal's point which is why it's not as simple as saying, well, look, you've got to lead, you've got to meet -- you know, he's leading them out of their own desire to sabotage the economy. i thought this was interesting. >> thank you for sanctioning our segment. i'm glad it met your approval, ari. >> thank you for noting that. >> well, let me tell you something. sometimes when you're quiet, people are like, it happens at the dinner table too. you're like, were you not into it? no, i was so into it. i was just listening. >> you became a spectator. i love it. awesome. we're glad to amuse you. >> this is awkward enough. it's a wrap. >> up next, we have a real american horror story for millions of americans. 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>> walk down the aisle of a grocery store. walk into your cvs or rite-aid, and pretty much everything is dealt with in the farm bill. not directly, but when it comes to the safety of our food, the safety of our tylenol, the safety of any prescription drugs. you said it, steaks to milk, all of that is contained within the farm bill. a traditionally nonpartisan bill that was always sort of divided up. the southerners got what they wanted. the northeasterners got what they wanted. the midwesterners got corn, et cetera, et cetera. that's always been the case until last year. unfortunately, the farm bill has now sort of broken down into even more of a -- it's come along with this partisanship that's taken over the capitol behind me. the house passed their bill. senate passed their bill as well. they're going to conference. but the house did something interesting. for the first time ever, they took out the s.n.a.p., which is food stamps, out of the bill. $40 billion cut over ten years. they took it out of the bill. that made a lot of folks mad, not just progressives either. it made a lot of republicans mad. so here we are and we've got this bill before us. we got to figure out how to fix the problem. get it done. >> jimmy, you're absolutely right. this discussion you talk about, about taking food stamps out of this whole thing, and the whole discussion about the farm bill makes me mad. we see what else is in the farm bill is the center of modern conservative thinking, run eric cantor talking about the farm bill. >> the dignity of a job is what things should be about in these programs. in fact, going back to 1996 when a republican congress worked with president bill clinton, they overhauled the welfare program in this country and instituted a work requirement. that's all this does. what it says is, if you're able-bodied, you should be willing to work, not that you have to have a job because there's many parts of the country that don't, but that you could go and participate in community service activities or work fair program. again, most people would say, no, i don't want a life of dependency. >> if you're able-bodied, you should be willing to work. this is more of the 47% of the conservative thinking about people are takers, that they lack motivation, that the poor lack character, that it's the liberal culture of dependency that's the reason why they are like this and if we just take away the safety net, they'll be fine and better. the problem is not the lack of intergenerational class in america. it's the culture of dependency and the character of the poor, that they don't want to work, which is so angering and disgusting to a lot of us. >> here's the problem with what eric cantor just said. he says they ought to be able-bodied. he said they ought to be able to go out and do job training. they cut job training and worker assistance when they cut the s.n.a.p. benefits. they cut that program. that's the problem here. you can't tell me that you want people -- you have a congressman, this guy from the eighth district of tennessee, republican, came in with the tea party. he's a cotton farmer in tennessee. that guy, his family got something like $3.5 million in direct subsidies from the taxpayer, but he went to the floor during this debate and said, quoted from the bible, from god's word, and said that if you're able-bodied you should work. if you can't work, you shall no eat. but we're subsidizing this guy. the average s.n.a.p. person gets $133 a month in benefits from taxpayers. if you take the amount of money his family got from 1999 to 2012, you know what his subsidy per month was? $20,833. it's the height of hypocrisy. listen, i don't mind if you have a policy disagreement and you think people should work on it. whatever, fine. but don't be a hypocrite about it for god's sakes. at least own up to your own subsidies that, by the way, you and i are paying for cotton farmers. by the way, debbie stabeno, chairman of the subcommittee, cut out direct subsidies in her bill. the house cut out all of theirs except for cotton farmers, the only industry that gets direct payments to date under the house bill would be cotton farmers like that congressman. that's amazing. >> that's disgusting. >> jimmy, what you're highlighting and the facts and numbers you're providing are essential here. there's been this talk that the farm bill was always this bipartisan thing and it's a part of the decline of congress, that it's gotten so hard to pass. i kind of descent from that. i understand people feel like nothing passes and that's frustrating. on the other hand, this was a lot of bipartisan handouts. the environmental working group estimated up to $9 billion a year in subsidies that overlap with what you're talking about. don't you think there's a chance here that while the house republicans have been hypocritical, there's also a chance we get out some of the subsidies and get a real chance to think about the value system here of folks who would rather take out school lunches before these subsidiesubsidies? >> i'm fine with the issues of subsidies when it comes to things like crop insurance, especially for specialty programs. fruits and vegetables, things we like to eat, as opposed to corn for feed or cotton or tobacco or soybeans. that's always been crop insured. now all these other things we actually consume will be. i'm fine with that. i have zero problem subsidizini that as a taxpayer. i do have a problem, however, let's take sugar for example. the federal government this year alone will buy back from the sugar growers over $300 million worth of sugar, and they'll put it in a warehouse. why? because the government guarantees that if the sugar price goes below a certain number -- right now it's at 16 cents a pound. if that number goes below that, the federal government has to buy sugar and we have to put it in a warehouse. i don't know about you, but i'm not sure what the federal government and taxpayers are going to do with warehouses feeled with $300 million worth of sugar because we're propping up four sugar families down in florida, louisiana, and alabama. that, to me, is absurd. that's what should be cut out. >> unbelievable. jimmy, where are we? what's going to ultimately happen with this? >> well, listen, i will say this about the house bill. they did put in some -- they went towards chairwoman stabenow and put in specialty crops, the things we actually eat, consume that make us go. but they're going to have to figure out the s.n.a.p. stuff. you can't legitimately say, you know, the average person on snap is ten months or less. ten months or less. they make it sound like people are sitting on welfare for 15 years, which is not the case. >> right. >> that's the big divide. that's the bridge they've got to cross. they've got to fix that. after that, you're just talking about numbers at that point. the house and senate bill are pretty close. >> they have to figure it out. jimmy, i can guess your answer to this one, but we asked our halloween facebook fans if someone came to your house trick or treating as senator ted cruz, what candy would you give him? we've had some real creative answers. good-b goobers, gummy works and jaw breakers. like us on facebook and check us out on thecycle .msnbc.com. there's also several halloween themed pieces. what would you give ted cruz in terms of coming to your house as a trick or treater? keep it clean. >> probably give him some benadryl so he'd go to sleep and shut the hell up. >> strong answer. >> or that bazooka joe edition where they teach you what a filibuster is in the cartoon so he can finally know what it is. happy halloween. >> oh, boy. all right. jimmy, thanks for joining us. up next, you're likely to see lots of little kids dressed up as one of these, but we have a real live one onset up next. no, it's not miley cyrus. the american dream is of a better future, a confident retirement. those dreams, there's just no way we're going to let them die. ♪ like they helped millions of others. by listening. planning. working one on one. that's what ameriprise financial does. that's what they can do with you. that's how ameriprise puts more within reach. ♪ your husband left his cell phone on. and you're not necessarily proud of that. but tonight, he made the pizza. ...with johnsonville italian sausage. the premium cuts of pork and perfect blend of herbs and spices gave every bite even more flavor. and everyone loved it. and you're definitely proud of that. johnsonville. served with pride since 1945. ♪ ♪ nothing says, "you're my #1 copilot," like a milk-bone biscuit. ♪ say it with milk-bone. right now little ones around the country are donning costumes and plotting out their trick-or-treating routes in pursuit of candy. i, myself, have two baby pandas getting suited up at home. inspiration panda cam, of course. in the mix, you're likely to see some of these. ever since the first astronauts blasted off into space, their mini proteges have been a staple of the halloween holiday. in the guest spot, we have a treat. real-life astronaut colonel chris hadfield. he followed his dream to the stars and logged nearly 4,000 hours in space and bringing a whole new youtube generation along for the ride. ♪ this is major tom to ground control ♪ ♪ i've left forever more and i'm floating in a most peculiar way ♪ >> his zero gravity of "space odyssey" has 16 million hits to date. it's one of the many out of had world internet kpcommentaries that's made chris a super star. author of the new book "an astronaut's guide to life on earth," he joins us in the guest spot. thank you so much for being with us. >> thanks for opening up the guest spot. i appreciate it. glad to be here. >> one of the things that people do know you best for is the videos that you uploaded. some of them had to do with sort of like daily life in space. so what are some of the things that we wouldn't necessarily expect that are crazy or hard to deal with in space. >> so you want to brush your teeth. seems simple, right? well, we take a thing of water and you squirt. now there's a ball of water floating in space in front of you. take your toothbrush velcroed to the wall, put a little toothpaste on, brush your teeth. of course, there's no sink. you kind of either just spit out the toothpaste or swallow it. clean up. >> it's not bad for you like they say. >> it's not going to kill you. clean out the toothbrush, float another ball of water, clean your toothbrush, velcro is to the wall, you're done. but that applies to everything from the complex to the mundane. >> it's interesting. tell us how it feels to be in that sort of weightless world. you were there five months straight. what's it feel like? >> you would love it. you're weightless. it's the coolest thing ever. like in the bowie video. but being able to touch the wall and do 100 somersaults. it's like having a super power. it's like a magic thing. at the same time, when you look out the window, the whole world is pouring by at 5 miles a second. >> do your insides feel different? >> when you first get there, they sure do. they feel awful. you want to throw up. after a while, you get normal. you can't burp in space because if you think about it, the gas isn't at the top of your stomach. it's sort of like bubbles and gas and solid altogether. so you can't burp in space. otherwise, your insides feel about normal once you get used to it. >> ari, you can't burp in space. you'd be lost. >> the first wave of astronauts were held up as big figures in public life. they were media stars. now you've done something very differe different. you might be better known for all the videos you've done. you've sort of taken the experience of it and maybe the science of it and cut around the media and gone directly to the public with it. why was that important to you? what do you want people to get out of that? >> for me, the ultimate reality tv was the first moon landing. if you think about it, a billion people worldwide were invited in to watch something unscripted, live, see how it goes, whatever they say, whatever happens, happens. and it was hugely effective for the same reasons that social media is effective today. if you show people honestly what's happening, if you invite them in, you don't force them to watch, you don't yell at them, just say, come see what's happening. that's what we did on board our time on space station. you can come look if you like. as a result, millions of people got to see what it's really like living in space, not just the science and the experiments, but just people up there living, doing things, brushing our fooefooet teeth, making music. >> you gave a quote to "usa today" about what it was like to do a space walk. you said, in one hand, you're holding on to a space shuttle or space station, a human creation, just holding on with one hand. if you look the other way, the entire rest of everything else, the universe is right there underneath your feet. it just made me think about, you know, most of us in our daily lives, we get wrapped up in taking the kids to school and brushing your teeth and getting to your job. do you have a sort of deeper grip on the infinite and more awareness of the infinite and the profound in your day-to-day life because your job and your work centers around contemplating space? >> i've had a visual perspective that is extremely rare in the human experience. i think there's been 200 of us out of the 7 billion in our whole history that have ever walked in space. so i'm not sure that it makes me any better, but it's a really strong, clear perspective of our place in it. if anything, it shows that we are a little less significant than sometimes we think in our daily lives. but also, we're in this together. and you really get a sense of that. it's pretty easy to think that where you are is the most important place in the world, but when you see the whole thing around and around 2,500 times, you start to get a better sense of how we all actually fit in. >> i went sky diving, which is a fraction of your experience, but had that same sense of how small we are within this whole thing. >> sky diving is just like the colonel. >> he gave a caveat there. all right, colonel. thanks very much. >> thanks. nice to meet you. >> and up next, before there was "sharknado," there was sharktapus. inside the twisted mind that brought us some of the best/worst movies of all times, including "little shop of horrors," and the classic "wasp woman." >> who could possibly want to hurt him? 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"little shop of horrors," "night called nurses," "last woman on earth." here's a taste. ♪ [ screaming ] >> no! >> a plague? >> yes. a plague of evil. ♪ >> madam, spare yourself the red death. >> awesome. the so-called roger coreman school of film making is star studded. directors who worked under him and actors who worked with him. our next guest has put together a book about his work called "crab hon sters, teenage cavemen, and candy stripe nurses." the king of the "b" movies. the book is almost as much fun as his films. chris, films are extraordinary. but, you know, the movies are bad, but they're good. how did he do that? >> well, i think, you know, he was making these movies for really, really cheap. sometimes in two or three days. >> yeah. >> so, you know, you can't help but see some scotch tape and chewing gum holding the sets together. considering the restraint s he was dealing with the movies are really, really great. >> going through surveying his work in your book, he fully understands and appreciates the power of boobies. >> very powerful. i was trying to tell him. look, people have been going to see sex in movies since movies bega began, and he certainly understood that. he started off in the period when the drive-in was everything. people would go to the drive-ins to see things th s that were ta and make out. he knew his audience and catered to them pretty well. >> how did he enup, looking at these movies, how do you end up in a place where, oh, making these movies is my calling? >> i think it's very lucrative business. he produced more than 400 movies. you can imagine that when you make movies, maybe they're bad, maybe they're great. they always make money. you stick with that formula. >> but he's made these bad movies. yet the people from the roger corman school of film making are extraordinary folks, scorsese, don howard, dennis hopper and even covax, the great sinning to f cinemetographer? >> roger corman's studio was always a place you could find a way into the forbidden king tdo of movie making. he'd give young people who were willing to work cheap their first big break. yuck, talented people coming to work on your movies. they're getting invaluable experience on the films and take it on to their careers after. >> the book is awesome. thanks for being here, chris. up next, the masked marauder who abby says should be terrifying to the gop. avo: the volkswagen "sign then drive" sales event is back. which means it's never been easier to get a new passat, awarded j.d. power's most appealing midsize car, two years in a row. and right now you can drive one home for practically just your signature. get zero due at signing, zero down, zero deposit, and zero first month's payment on any new 2014 volkswagen. hurry, this offer ends october 31st. for details, visit vwdealer.com today. 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"the term flame thrower is not something i would say is self-descriptive when it comes to me. that's not really my personality to be a flame thrower. that implies someone ut there who wants to stir things up just for the sake of stirring things up." wow. hard to believe that statement came from the same man, now considered one of the most polarizes political figures in country, virtually tied to the hip of ted cruz and treated like a celebrity by conservative act vists who see him as a hero for holding the government hostage over obama care. how is it playing back home? the answer. pretty door poorly. the junior senator is facing serious backlash for his extreme antics. lea not only has lee lost support of the broader public in utah, he's also quickly falling out of favor with key funders of his 2010 campaign. scott anderson, the president of a prominent utah bank who raised money for lee, said, "if things are to happen, you can't just stick to your principles. you have to make things work. you've got to be practical." then there's utah native spencer zwick, the finance chairman for mitt romney's 2012 campaign. he has branded lee a show horse and has vowed to campaign against the senator saying, "business leaders that i talked to, many of whom supported lee, would never support his re-election, and in fact, will work against him including myself." hmm. okay. i've got some insider utah politics for you. i hear mitt romney's son, josh romney, has been looking for an opening to run for office in utah. challenging the not the so popular lee actually sounds like the perfect opportunity, and hey, maybe even a moderate democrat like jim mathson will jump in there, too. one thing is for sure, utahans have gotten less than they bargained for with senator mike lee. he wasn't the consensus choice. he was just a creature of the conservative movement. so mr. lee, it's been fun, it's been a nice run, but your inability to be practical, livid reality, and actually represent the very people who got you elected, has likely already cost you your re-election in 2016. raising outside money cannot save you, and attempting to maybe change your tune can't save you, either. because if there's one thing i know about utahans, they like prop solvers. day like authenticity and like loyalty. we're not talking about loyalty to the junior senator from texas. okay? that does it for "the cycle." now to a man that all of us are very loyal to, martin bashir, all your. good afternoon. it's thursday october the 31st. and a very happy halloween. or is it? >> oh, yeah. >> it's halloween, and boy is it scary. >> we're not in kansas anymore. >> some people like to drink out of a red solo cup, not a crystal stem. >> it's a college student doing a keg stand. >> has a man ever deliveried a baby. >> clearly -- whatever. >> the website is too slow. too many people have gotten stuck. there's no excuses. i take full responsibility. before the affordable care act, bad apple insurers had free reign to limit the care you received, jack up your priemium. it never came true. >> really this is information and attacks coming from haters. >> will anything spook ted cruz? >> saying that we did everything. >> that would be the end of the republican party. >> you can't defend the substance if you try to change the topic. >> do you want to run for president? >> they can be fascist anarch t anarchists, still won't change the fact that i don't own a car.

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and sander supporters. the coordinated endorsements, stealing the thunder to sanders campaign. >> needless to say i am going to do everything in my power, and i will work as hard as i can, to make sure that donald trump does not become president of the united states. >> reporter: sanders also helping to project unity by meeting with the vice president and senate congressional leaders. >> here we are in mid-june and we're still standing! >> reporter: question now, when will sanders fully support clinton as the nominee? >> my hope is, that over the next couple of weeks we're able to pull things together. the main role i'm going to be playing in this process is to remind the american people that this is a serious job. this is not reality tv. >> reporter: i talked to several folks in the white house telling me the president is eager to get out to campaign for clinton. enjoys a high approval rating, helping clinton, and a legacy to support supreme court members that are crucial to the democratic party. >> true, true. preserving what they've done, discuss this state of place. presidential campaign correspondent for the "new york times," maggie haberman. washington bureau chief for "the daily beast" jackie kucinich and political host of the david gregory show podcast, david gregory. so maggie haberman we don't want you to get out. take your time. this is good. go meet the president. the door closes and there's like a surprise party going on for hillary clinton. there are videos made, speeches ready to be given. >> right. >> somewhat of a mixed message? >> like the person who has a date, said it was great do it again sometime and never calls again. >> dating your best friend, in their car and a ring on her finger? >> it's pretty clear president obama was heading in this direction assuming she won california. not only won, won it by a landslide. there are not many places for bernie sanders to go, however, bernie sanders has a tremendous base of support that wants to see not just a different democratic party potentially a different partyentirely and hillary clinton needs those supporters. yes, you saw on the one hand, we're going to give bernie space, not be disrespect something but you saw the rest of the party and the most important person there wasn't really president obama, that was important, but it was elizabeth warren signalling to supporters, this is where we're heading. we understand you are upset, we'll give you time to grieve what happened. it's very hard to run a race and not win but we have to move on t. happened in rapid fire succession. david gregory, this was supposed to be bernie sanders' moment in the sun. walking don the promenade and they did it -- >> not an extensive shiva. >> was this a bernie sanders? >> what's going on this time? >> i need a minute after that cuoco line. i think bernie sanders really got his due yesterday. i mean, he had to walk on the colonnade of the white house, normally reserved for foreign heads of state. he was greeted in similar fashion on capitol hill. he -- certainly you have the president coming out and endorsing hillary clinton but the washington, d.c. primary, but, again, i think he was given his due. he's not endorsing yet sanders. important, yes, the rest of the party is united, starting to move on and maybe sanders is already there but also got a lot of supporters who may not be there yet and i think he's probably doing the right thing by not rushing his own endorsement of hillary clinton. despite the big day the clinton campaign had yesterday and all the rest, bernie sanders will be very influential at the convention and beyond. now the head of the progressive movement. >> jackie, maggie and i were talking before when i was getting my nails done and face put on, elizabeth warren made a choice. not only is it to get full-throated behind hillary clinton right now, but to get down into the mud with donald trump. we have the full screen of the endorsement, but, really, it was about the speech. what was her line yesterday? that he's a thin-skinned racist bully. >> yes. >> what do you make of her choice of that type of advocate, and that tactic? >> i mean, she's shown she can really get under donald trump's skin, and this allows hillary clinton maybe not to get into the mud. elizabeth warren can be that -- that, you know, fighter in front of her, really going into the trenches against donald trump. so -- and allowing hillary clinton to sort of rise above it and stick to policy going forward. we'll see if she continues in that role, but she's been very successful. first on twitter and then yesterday, in this very -- understatement, forceful speech that she gave. >> maggie, help me understand the strategy here of the trifecta of endorsements. one right after another. why not save some of your back pocket until next week? >> because it's an incredibly partisan country. this is not 20 years, wide numbers of independents to appeal to and swing voters. this is very much blue/red. so when you have the republican party, that is people literally every day, top figures in the party twisting themselves into pretzels to say on the one hand, yes, i thought donald trump's statements, in their words, i thought were racist but i still support him and he's still better than hillary clinton. these are elections about turning out your base voters and that is why it matter. >> listen a little bit, david, i want to get your take, brother david gregory, but give hillary a moment with her sound. got to figure what this is. is elizabeth warren auditioning to be vp or just the attack dog? let's take a listen. >> even disqualifying judges based on their professional background isn't enough for donald trump. trump tells everyone who will listen that she a great businessman, but let's be honest, had e is just a guy who inherited a fortune and kept it rolling along by cheating people. in america we have the rule of law, and that means, no matter how rich you are, no matter how loud you are, no matter how famous you are, if you break the law, you can be held accountable, even if your name is donald trump. >> trump is criticizing judge curiel for following the law instead of bending it to suit the financial interests of one wealthy and oh, so fragile defendant. >> now, trump also whined that he's being treated unfairly, because the judge happens to be, we believe, mexican. and when he got called out, he doubled down by saying, i'm building a wall. it's an inherent con flicks of intere interest. con flick conflict of interest. he has personally, personally, stepped up his own attacks on judge curiel and condemned judges who be muslim on the disgusting here to they trump's own bigotry compromises the judge's neutrality. you just can't make this stuff up! >> we will not allow a small, insecure, thin-skinned, wannabe tyrant or his allies in the senate to destroy the rule of law in the united states of america! we will not. >> david? >> well, the "new york times" describes her this morning as the sledgehammer of the clinton campaign, and, boy, did she give an effective political speech for two reasons. one, we haven't seen a sustained attack on donald trump by a political rival that has worked. we didn't see that during the primary. elizabeth warren, i think har, opened up a front in this war that could be effective. she didn't just go after donald trump. all the hand wringing by republicans by donald trump is not hammering at all. went after mitch mcconnell, paul ryan said, you know what? donald trump is acting this way because they set the tone for it and it's really the view of the republican party. so as a political matter, this is really effective. not just going after trump but saying he's not a wild card. he is kind of part and parcel of his republican party. that sets the stage for a broader attack by the clinton team. >> so, jackie, in her endorsement, in warren's endorsement of hillary clinton she says i'm ready to jump into this fight and make sure that hillary clinton is the next president of the united states. so what will her role be? is she the sort of designated attack dog now? >> seems that way at this point and said in an interview she wasn't being vetted for vp and they hadn't talked about it. we'll take her at her word at this point. i wouldn't be surprise fundamental you see elizabeth warren campaigning with hillary clinton and other senate candidates. she's talking about the senate. she's talking about, i mean, she would be more than happy to be part of an overall strategy to bring the senate back to the democrats in 2016. >> you know, politics is going forwards, especially in elections. one thing she hits on that happens to be true, maggie, is the republicans don't like that this stink is on the whole party. that line that, hey, don't stand up now and say that what he just said was racist. you enabled him, and you enabled him, because this is what you are. they tonight like that. they don't accept that and are now in a weird position. what you just said is bigoted and it's not the first time you've done this, but you're our bigot. how do you do that? how do you support the person, call them out as a bigot but not own their bigotry? >> you don't in most cases. this is going to be really hard you're going to see up and down the ticket and democrats were slow to prosecute that case against republicans, slow to make it about these down-ballot races. you will see ads in the fall against congressional saying here's you supporting donald trump, agreeing with xyz policy, very difficult position for mitch mcconnell, main priority holding the senate. he is concerned about the white house and concerned about not losing the majority. that's what warren was going right to. >> david gregory, this just in. "washington post" reporting that hillary clinton and elizabeth warren will be meeting this morni morning. does this mean there's vp talk? >> first of all, the clinton team has been vetting vp names for a matter of months, and there's no question she's in the mix. you know, it's hard -- there's lots -- you canic ma the case for and against in lots of different ways. what is clear is that elizabeth warren is emerging as an incredibly effective surrogate. hillary clinton has to do something to be mindful of the progressive wing of the party. i think it's really important to point out that republicans go the into trouble by not paying attention to the rising tea party movement. hillary clinton in this courting of sanders and his supporters and elizabeth warren as part of that progressive wing has to make sure that she's being mindful of the progressive wing of the party, lest there become a tea party on the left. this is a really important period of that kind of courting. >> what do we think, jackie? if you had to game it out right now, is this the type -- >> oh, man -- >> just the way it's going. take it easy. not asking you to pull out the tarot cards. when you do it, you do it for a reason. warren. you step up. one, you were asked to do it. we saw what happened with the twitter war with trump, she backed off. what did that tell you? somebody told her to back off. somebody told her to step back up again and she did it. is this a role that can morph into vp or is a vp supposed to be more than a mouthpiece? >> particularly for hillary clinton, having an attack dog as a vp, to be the one to respond to the multitude of attacks donald trump will no doubt lob their way would be beneficial, but it depends on other things, is elizabeth warren ready to be president? the commander in chief test. a lot of things in consideration when looking at a vp. so, and the clinton campaign is probably going through all of those right now. it's not necessarily -- you're right. it is a role that someone like elizabeth warren could serve. >> panel, we need to talk about what's going on with donald trump and on the republican side. so, please, stand by. >> well, this is a first for donald trump. his mouth has literally put him in a bad position on both sides. it's not just the democrats you're hearing it from republicans as well. elizabeth warren, that's obvious. it's the gop leadership that he's worried about. can he get them behind him? 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cnn's chris frates is live in washington with more. good morning, chris. >> reporter: hey, good morning donald trump's bad week doesn't appear to be ending any better than it began. fellow republicans continue to call his attacks on a federal judge hearing, a lawsuit against him a racist, and democrats, well, they're having a field day hammering trump over his comments and enjoying the national spotlight. >> trump is picking on someone who is ethically bound not to defend himself. exactly what you would expect from a thin-skinned, racist bully. >> it is racist. >> reporter: elizabeth warren and vice president joe biden intensifying their attacks on donald trump. >> to use the office of the presidency, were he to acquire it, to intimidate and undermine an independent judiciary would be blatantly unconstitutional abuse of power. >> reporter: and democrats continue to blast trump's verbal assault on judge con sahl gonza. >> it was a mistake. a racist remark. >> reporter: house speaker paul ryan forced to continue condemning trump's attacks. >> that is beyond the pale, not political correctness, suggesting a person can't do a job because of race or ethnicity,s that not a politically incorrect thing to do that's just a wrong thing to say. >> reporter: not all republicans agree. >> most of us realize that last week was a distraction. >> reporter: party leaders hoping to coalesce a divided party, and so trump showed a more measured side after the firestorm's criticism this week. >> he has to continue what he did tuesday night with specific speeches aimed at big topics, drawing a clear distinction between where he is and where hillary is. >> reporter: the controversy consuming trump's campaign comes as the billionaire tries to convince wealthy donors to open their wallets and help fund his campaign. some donors worry he'll have hundreds of millions of dollars less than hillary, but trump believes his ability to fund raze will help that. and a senior campaign person said he would raise enough to win. >> what is going on in the republican party today? bring back maggie haberman, jackie kucinich and david gregory. maggie, donald trump first made comments about the judge's mexican heritage exactly two weeks ago today. this story has had more legs than i think anybody predicted. remember, he said things about muslims and handicappeded people, et cetera, et cetera, but somehow this has taken hold like nothing ever before. >> he called him back in february, spanish and his hispanic, which is fine. he did this a couple weeks ago, didn't get wide pickup. it was after the judge unsealed documents in the trump university case and that is when this exploded and trump reacted. one of the things democrats have seen and you've seen it with elizabeth warren and jackie referred to this, she gets under his skin. a lot of people get under his skin and he has shown a wills will to chase shiny objects down a rabbit hole. that happened here. he said this repeatedly. he won't say that he made a mistake. we have never seen him say -- actually once, one time in this campaign. he has given this legs and as he has give didn't legs, refused to walk it back, republicans have had to respond. >> on that note, information is out this morning that he is willing to admit he made a mistake, but only in private. david gregory, this comes from ben carson. he is quoted in political coe saying, donald trump fully recognizes that this was not the right thing to say. he was probably talking out loud, rather than thinking. that's not a good thing to do when everything you say is going to be analyzed. in other words, he says that in private nbc a private meeting, trump acknowledged this was a mistake? >> we learn pretty early in our lives, not always effectively, we all make mistakes and you have to think before you speak. he's a gut player and the gotten him this far. the party establishment wants him to fall in line, run this conventional campaign ignoring what has made his politically successful thus far. what maggie alluded to is an important point. a party of temperament. a campaign where voters are making assessments about their temperament. both of them. personal characteristics, how though come themselves under scrutiny and pressure. donald trump is suffering right now. we'll know more in a spat of polling coming out. hillary clinton has issues in terms of trustworthiness and honesty. it's a battle of personal characteristics but thin-skinned nature, temperament is important and will be important months from now. >> david, as you hear and we al you go after trump and how you go after clinton? hard to equate what happened with the global initiative with bigot bigotry. one will resonate not in the media. the parties. sound byte from the leadership of his own party. >> he needs to quit these gratuitous attacks on various americans. >> it's at odds not just as a party. at odds with who he are as americans. >> i feel like a broken record, i say it all the time but am continually disappointed. >> a moot point. he won't be in the white house if he continues to make these kinds of statements do i think these antics are distracting and give us a campaign we cannot be proud of? yes. i've spoken very clearly about it. >> maggie says they want him to run a traditional campaign. they just want him to stop insulting people and put them in a position where they can't handle it anymore, jackie. that's what we're dealing with, with him, and then carson comes out saying he wasn't speaking, thinking out loud. this is a man who said openly on this show being gay is a choice. all right? not a very high bar for discretion in terms of what comes out of your mouth and even he is saying, he's going to rethink this. how do they get behind him when they know they're embracing what they see as a pattern of bigotry? >> at some point this becomes less about running the presidency and more about saving the republican party. it becomes a triage operation. and i think that's what you hear from even paul ryan, from some of the, mitch mcconnell. people who have a lot of skin in the game at this point. and so they don't want it to get to that point which is why you're seeing all of these frantic behind-the-scene be conversations with donald trump and you saw that very stilted speech the other night for this victory speech, but donald trump hasn't shown the capacity to do ta twice in a row yet. he hasn't really shown a discipline, and -- but this is what the republican base elected, and they either have to learn to live with this or ignore him entirely and save the house and senate at some point. >> maggie, the first polls are comes out now since this controversy over the mexican judge -- american judge he called mexican --. a fox news poll. interesting, a three-way race with gary johnson the libertarian candidate in. clinton gets 39%. same as in last month, but donald trump has dropped 6 points since last month. he gets 36%. if it's just a two-way were race, look at these numbers now, clinton gets 42%. he gets 39%. i think that's within the margin of error. >> one of the things that drove the clinton campaign crazy for the last couple of months, when people would talk about how you can't break through. he just gets so much attention. you know? it's just all of this free media. not all exposure is good exposure. right? you're seeing that in those numbers. that this is not something really that clinton did, although i think her speech probably did play into that, the one she did a week ago. >> the foreign policy? >> alleged foreign policy, really about a stakes-framing speech. i do think that play add role because it showed her willing to sort of fight back and take the fight gredirectly to him. this is of his own making and it's hard to climb out of a hole if it gets too deep. >> as david gregory often says on this show it is also, maybe, the most complete look at temperament we've seen from him thus far. he said something that got limb in trouble. he doubled down on it. he then called a meeting and said this is what we're going to do. i win. here's how i win. and then it wound up hitting on a lot of different branches of what matters in this country and now his leadership is against him. a big tasty cake of trouble that he has to deal with. how he deals with it will are important as he moves forward. >> thank you very much, panel. a big exclusive today helping us take a step forward in understanding the state of play on the gop side. the man on your screen, wolf blitzer coming through with the big interview with mitt romney. what does he have to say about donald trump's status within the party? that will be on "the situation room" with wolf blitzer at 5:00 p.m. eastern, only on cnn. >> good timing with that. well, the city of louisville preparing for a day-long celebration for the life and legacy of muhammad ali. a live report, next on "new day." text mom. boys have been really good today. send. let's get mark his own cell phone. nice. send. brad could use a new bike. send. 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>> you know, what they call "the book" what happens with preparation when ali is gone is about the pomp and circumstance and also all the causes that mattered to him and why. we'll take people through that. coming up, ali's daughter laila is going to share memories of her hour and in the 8:00 hour, talk to former heavyweight boxing champ evander holyfield. stay with cnn for coverage of ali's funeral and memorial service starting at 1:30 p.m. eastern. and with president obama formally endorsing hillary clinton saying he is ready to hit the trail on her behalf. will president obama take on donald trump and how? and could that backfire? all of that is next. or a man of culture who's out for adventure. you know when to hit the scene... or get far away from it. because it's all about striking... the perfect form. beat yesterday with fenix 3 hr. from garmin. ♪ type 2 diabetes doesn't care who you are. or where you're from. we're just everyday people fighting high blood sugar. ♪ i am everyday people farxiga may help in ♪ i am everyday people that fight every day. along with diet and exercise, farxiga helps lower blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes. one pill a day helps lower your a1c. and, although it's not a weight-loss drug, farxiga may help you lose weight. do not take if allergic to farxiga. if you experience symptoms of a serious allergic reaction such as rash, swelling, difficulty breathing or swallowing, stop taking and seek medical help right away. do not take farxiga if you have severe kidney problems, are on dialysis, or have bladder cancer. tell your doctor right away if you have blood or red color in your urine or pain while you urinate. farxiga can cause serious side effects, including dehydration, genital yeast infections in women and men, serious urinary tract infections, low blood sugar and kidney problems. stop taking farxiga and call your doctor right away if you have signs of ketoacidosis which can be serious or life-threatening. farxiga. ♪ i am everyday people we are everyday people. visit farxiga.com and ask your doctor how you can get farxiga for free. ♪ no, you're not ♪ yogonna watch it! ♪tch it! ♪ ♪ we can't let you download on the goooooo! ♪ ♪ you'll just have to miss it! ♪ yeah, you'll just have to miss it! ♪ ♪ we can't let you download... uh, no thanks. i have x1 from xfinity so... don't fall for directv. xfinity lets you download your shows from anywhere. i used to like that song. president obama has hit the field. he's got one arm around clinton and the other one around the neck of trump. here's a taste of obama on "the tonight show." >> do you think the republicans are happy with their choice? >> we are, but i don't know -- i don't know how they feel. >> joining us now, political commentators. good to see you both, fellas. the president is in the game. >> good morning. >> the endorsement is the least of it. it's what he's going to do going forward. what do you see and expect from the president? bakari? >> well, first and foremost i think the president is doing a wonderful job beginning to unify the party. the one thing to just bring elizabeth warren and bernie sanders into the fold, but we have about 10 million other american whose went out and voted and gave their blood, sweat and tears for bernie sanders and we need to bring them into the fold as that's not easy. second, she going to continuously pummel donald trump over his unfitness to be president of the united states. it's political and very personal for barack obama. >> ben, we were all ballplayers. somebody used to say, i got my five. who's your five? the five clinton is lining up seems to be obama, biden, clinton, sanders, and warren. who are trump's five? >> i think he's still trying to figure out who that five are going to be and he likes being a one-man show when it comes to the center of attention. i think he feels like bring them on. he loves being ganged up here. having barack obama out there for hillary clinton is obviously a big asset for her. he loves the campaign trail. one of the things he was incredibly good at the first time he ran. you can tell that he enjoys it. this is also for him a victory lap. he's going to go around the country. people will love hearing and seeing him on the democratic side and he'll enjoy every moment of that. for donald trump, i don't think he's overwhelmed by this. look how he's been able to handle all the republicans that ganged up on him at the debates, after the debates, all the establishment that ganged up on him trying to take him down. i think he relishes this moment to go toe to toe. this is festering a while. barack obama took a lot of shots at donald trump at that will not be forgotten. >> bakari, you have temperament, seeing it, measured and tested against trump. not just came out of his mouth saying he's either bigoted or racist but how he's dealing with it verse ethics. okay? because that's why hillary clinton's negatives are as high as his are in terms of the unfavorable ratings. how do you think clinton deals with her own challenges? whether it's benghazi, e-mail or any of the other sundry scandals that are coming out and will come out again? >> well, i think first and foremost, chris that is the balance of are this election. and i think what hillary clinton has to continue to do whether or not it's the 11th hour she spent in front of the benghazi committee or dealing with these challenges from donald trump as they come. she has to not only show and prove to this country she is trustwort trustworthy, continues to show that and show that donald trump is unfit, setempermently unfit. a delegate kalins. she has to open up and continue to push back on that if she moves forward in this race. >> in fairness, ben, you have been in no rush for donald trump, i'm not using that, but it a precarious position. guys coming out, what the guy said it bigoted, some saying racist. we don't like it, it's unacceptable, but he's our bigot beer going with him because we're going to run him against clinton. that's not an easy thing to say, ben ferguson. how do you rationalize this? >> donald trump, you know what you get. he won't apologize or pull back from things he says. he doubles down when people put pressure on him. that's why people like him, ease authentic and not overly calculated like you see from hillary clinton. he may say a comment you don't like aub a judge at least i didn't lie about my e-mails, he'll point out has a trust issue. donald trump has many people who came out and voted for him. there you'll see a big, you may not like what i say all the tile. i'm donald trump, i'll be blunt but at least i'm not hillary clinton when it comes to national security other issue, flat our lying or telling the truth. >> seems begging, the bigoted trying to get away from. ben ferguson, well argued, bakari sellers, always a pleasure. great to have you both on the show. talk sports, chris. the stanley cup in the house in pittsburgh, but no one got to drink from it just yet. andy scholes explains all of this in our "bleacher report," next. mary buys a little lamb. one of millions of orders on this company's servers. accessible by thousands of suppliers and employees globally. but with cyber threats on the rise, mary's data could be under attack. with the help of at&t, and security that senses and mitigates cyber threats, their critical data is safer than ever. giving them the agility to be open & secure. because no one knows & like at&t. ♪ "dinner!" "may i be excused?" get the new xfinity tv app and for the first time ever stream live tv, watch on demand, and download your dvr shows anywhere. so now i'm not being perky, telling you that drivers that switch to progressive save an average of $548! whoo! i mean, whoo. the san jose sharks staying afloat in the stanley cup finals with a win over the penguins last night. andy scholes has more in this morning's "bleacher report." >> alisyn, one of the hardest things to do, win on the road when facing elimination. with their backs against the wall, the sharks, they squashed the penguins party last night. check out the scene outside the arena. thousands of fans in pittsburgh ready to celebrate a championship. may have been more fans outside than inside. one minute into the game, the sharks on the board. his fabulous beard, put them up 1-0. martin jones, hero for san jose. he had the most saves in a stanley cup finals game in nearly 50 years. sharks win it 4-2 staying alive sending the series back to the bay. the city of cleveland will once again be rocking tonight for game four of the nba finals and like game three, lebron says this is a must-win for the cavs. >> it's the same mind-set. we can't afford to go down 3-1, go into their building, confidence going back pap do or die game for us, still. >> we're 2-1. >> 2-1, up 2-1 right now and -- the story still is unfolding. >> tip-off tonight at 9:00 eastern, and, alisyn, this game likely deciding the series as the cavs can't afford to go down 3-1 heading back to the bay area. >> andy, great to see you and have you back. how's baby beckett? >> baby beckett is doing awesome. my wife is doing a fabulous job with those late-night feedings. >> ah, that's great! great to hear, andy. great to have you back. >> thanks so much. president obama does late night and slow jams the news. you've got to see this. we'll have it for you, next. ♪ rockin' with the good hair hmmmmmm..... hmmmmm... [ "dreams" by beck ] hmmmmm... the turbocharged dream machine. the volkswagen golf gti. named one of car and driver's 10best, 10 years in a row. president obama in one of his most comfortable roles on late dmisht tv a straight man in chief on "the tonight show" one of the funniest slow jams at least a while. >> also watching his face while it's happening. >> one line in particular really got us. so here it is with jimmy fallon. watch. ♪ it's been an honor and a prill privilege to serve as your president over the past eight years, when i first took office our nation was facing one of the worst recessions in its history ♪ ♪ since then lowered unemployment to under 5% and raised jobs. throughs actions of my administration we were able to stimulate the company and get our country back on track. ♪ ah, yeah president obama stimulated long-term growth ♪ in both the public and the private sector ♪ in 2008, the country wasn't feeling in the mood ♪ it was too tired and stressed, said it had a headache ♪ but barack lit some candles and got some silky satin sheets ♪ ♪ silky satin sheets, now told the american people, yes, we can ♪ yes, we can, it's all right ♪ he created tons of jobs for you and me ♪ and he's got one more left for hillary ♪ [ cheers and applause ] >> as president i'm proud of the many progressive steps our country has taken in recent years both socially and environmentally. the united states has been a leader in developing clean energy to ensure the health of our planet for future generations. thanks to the affordable care act an additional 20 million americans now have access to quality health care, and same-sex couples across the country now have a constitutional right to marry. in short -- climate change is real. health care is affordable, and love is love. [ cheers ] ♪ hmm, hmm, hmm ♪ commander in preach ♪ got to listen to my man, accomplished a lot in eight years, even when congress tried to block him ♪ he found a way in through the back door ♪ when republicans gave him lemons he made so much lemonade ♪ beyonce started calling him ba roc baracky with the good hair ♪ ♪ baracky with the good hair he could go for three like my man steph curry ♪ >> there will be no third term, i can't stay forever. besides, daddy's got a hawaiian vacation bokked in about -- 223 days. but who's counting? that being said, the american people face an important decision this fall. the entire world is watching, and they look to us for stability and leadership. now, i know some of the presidential candidates have been critical of my foreign policy. i don't want to name any names. sno ♪ he's talking about donald trump ♪ >> but i believe it is of utmost importance to work along slooid other leaders. why we reopened ties with cuba and negotiate add new detail, trans-pacific partnership, or tpp. ♪ now hold on, president dispenser, are you taying you're down with tpp ♪ >> yeah. you know me. [ applause ] look, jimmy, the tpp allows american businesses to sell their products both at home and abroad. the more we sell abroad, the more higher-paying jobs we provide here at home. it's that simple. ♪ so what you're saying is this trade deal will help put everyday americans back to work, work, work, work ♪ put them back to work, work, work, work ♪ put them back to ♪ >> work, work, work, work, work. ♪ now, mr. president, since you're here i've got to ask -- have you been watching all the election coverage this week about donald trump ♪ >> no. but i have been watching my new favorite show. "orange is not the new black." >> whoa, whoa, whoa. [ applause ] i'm going to need you to netflix some chill. i get if you're a little wound up after all this time. i can't imagine what it would be like to do the same job for eight straight years. >> jimmy, you probably never will. ♪ does obama cover >> america's best days are still yet to come. >> thank you, mr. president, for all that you've done ♪ this country's on track and that is a fact ♪ once you go barack you will never go back ♪ thank you for leading the red, white and the blue ♪ that is how we slow jam the news ♪ >> oh, yeah. [ cheers and applause ] >> give it up for the president of the united states, barack obama. >> oh, my gosh. wow! >> how does they keep a straight face? >> that was one of the best parts. watching the president try to keep a straight face during those -- great jokes. >> blocked him in the front door and went through the back. >> his face, oh, boy. >> layers of ow this would play out. >> chris and i will slow jam the rest of the show. we're following a lot of news this morning. democrats uniting behind their presumptive nominee. so let's get right to it. >> i am fired up, and i cannot wait to get out there and campaign for hillary. >> i am ready to get in this fight and work my heart out for hillary clinton. >> i don't think there's ever been someone so qualified to hold this office. >> the republicans are trying to figure out how to get behind a man they keep calling a bigot. >> i feel like a broken record. >> i continually am disappointed. >> he's trending the wrong way with me. >> an america, we have such poor choices. >> to intimidate and undermine an independent judiciary would be blatantly unconstitutional abuse of power. a final good-bye for muhammad ali. >> a giant. he was a king and he laid down a foundation that we should all try to follow. >> it's very rare, a figure captures the imagination of the entire world. >> announcer: this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. hmm. beautiful day. and i've got to tell you, one of the beautiful things about watching the memorial of ali is that people aren't losing his greatness in only his moments in the ring. it's amazing as they were, the greatest of all-time, the goat. the beautiful part. his resonance. well beyond whether you care about the sweet science or not. >> talk to his daughter laila. looking forward to hearing what she'll say about him today. up first, big police netica news. hillary clinton scoring big. president obama, vice president biden and senator elizabeth warren, remember how important she is to the berners, all saying with clinton in a major show of force. what about sanders? a big meeting with the president and others down there on capitol hill. he is promising to work with clinton. what will they mean? so democrats appear to be united. republicans, not so much. donald trump struggling to bring together a still very divided party. we have the 2016 race covered the way only cnn can. we begin with suzanne malveaux live in washington. good morning, suzanne. >> reporter: hey, good morning, alisyn. an extraordinary coordinated effort by the white house and the hillary clinton camp. amazing when you think about it. can't keep a secret in washington an hour much less two days but that is exactly what the president did in producing this well-produced video tuesday prior to releasing it on facebook, just after his oval office meeting with bernie sanders. now, clinton had gotten a heads up, as early as sunday, the president's endorsement was forthcoming. >> reporter: top democrats lining up behind hillary clinton. >> i'm with her. i am fired up and i cannot wait to get out there and campaign for hillary. >> reporter: president obama endorsing clinton, just hours after meeting with senator bernie sanders at the white house. the president and clinton set to hit the campaign trail together in wisconsin next week. vice president joe biden following suit, making it clear who he thinks the next president should be. >> god willing, in my view it will be secretary clinton. >> reporter: and progressive senator elizabeth warren backing clinton, too. >> i am ready to get in this fight and work my heart out for hillary clinton to become the next president of the united states. >> reporter: warren a liberal favorite, could be crucial in bridging the gap between clinton and sanders supporters. the coordinated endorsements, stealing the thunder to sanders as his campaign winds down. >> needless to say i am going to do everything in my power, and i will work as hard as i can, to make sure that donald trump does not become president of the united states. >> reporter: sanders also helping to project unity by meeting with the vice president and senate congressional leaders. >> here we are in mid-june and we're still standing. >> reporter: the question now, when will sanders fully support clinton as the nominee? >> my hope is, that over the next couple of weeks we're able to pull things together. the main role i'm going to be playing in this process is to remind the american people that this is a serious job. this is not reality tv. >> reporter: i talked to several in the white house telling me the president has been eager to get out and campaign for clinton. he'll do that next week. enjoys an unusually high approval rating for an outgoing president. that will benefit her and he also has a legacy to preserve in supreme court nominations critical to the democratic party. chris? >> well analyzed. thank you very much, suzanne. what do we see after this? fresh off a clinton endorsement senator elizabeth warren went full throttle after donald trump. she came the attack dog for the clinton campaign, went after him about his comments about the federal judge, were ut that was just the tip of the iceberg. here's a taste. >> reporter: judge curiel has survived far worse than donald trump. he has survived actual assassination attempts. he will have no trouble surviving donald trump's nasty temper tantrums. trump is picking on someone who is ethically bound not to defend himself. exactly what you would expect from a thin-skinned, racist bully. [ applause ] now, judge curiel can't respond, but we can. after his years of service as a prosecutor, judge curiel was appointed to the california state courts by a republican governor who calls him an american hero. he was nominated to the federal bench by a democratic president, and he was confirmed by a voice vote in the senate. that's what kind of a man judge curiel is. what kind of a man is donald trump? donald trump says, judge curiel should be ashamed of himself. no, donald. you should be ashamed of yourself. ashamed for using the megaphone of a presidential campaign to attack a judge's character and integrity, simply because you think you have some god-given right to steal people's money and get away with it? you shame yourself and you shame this great country. race-baiting a judge who spent years defending america from the terror of murders and drug traffickers simply because long ago his family came to america from somewhere else? you, donald trump, are a total disgrace. donald trump is a loud, nasty, thin-skinned fraud who has never risked anything for anyone and who serves no one but himself. and that is just one of the many reasons he will never be president of the united states. >> all right. we have a lot of material there to talk about. so what is bernie sanders' next move now? senator jeff merkley is a democrat from oregon. the only sitting senator to endorse bernie sanders. good morning, senator. >> good morning. well, elizabeth really hit it out of the park on that, and i should add -- what we have seen as a record of donald trump failing to pay his workers, failing to pay his contractors and even failing to pay his own lawyers who have had to sue him to go after fair payment for services rendered. i mean it is just an extraordinary record shortchanging workers at any possibility to enreich himself. >> it does seem as though the democrats are now relishing this moment and coming outside and in sort of a full-throated offense against donald trump, and we saw that from senator elizabeth warren and also saw something from her yesterday. she endorsed hillary clinton. i don't have to tell you that elizabeth warren is a darling of the progressive left, just as bernie sanders is. should senator warren have waited until bernie sanders was out of the race? >> well, i think many of us feel, certainly i feel, that once we have a candidate who has earned the majority of the pledged delegates and majority of the votes we have a nominee. those goal posts have been met. so this is a time when we're consolidating, working to bring the two wings of the party together, and so i certainly feel elizabeth warren has every right to jump in and offer an endorsement, because we really do have our nominee. >> so -- >> but i want to add -- >> senator does that mean you're ready to endorse hillary clinton? >> no, but the question is -- the question isn't for whether i'm ready to endorse. the question is how do we bring the two wings of the paerrty together. >> before we get to that, why aren't you ready to endorse her today? >> it's so important over the weeks to come that we have this conversation between the two wings of the party that bring them together in an effective fashion, and that's the dialogue that has to occur just as it occurred eight years ago, and if we don't suckede in bringing those two wings together, then we're going to have a lot of trouble in november, even with a candidate like trump on the other side of the aisle. we have to take him seriously. >> yes. >> so here is what -- here is a sense of what most of the bernie wing is looking for -- they're looking for the big ideas that he advocated for in his campaign to be fully embraced. to be woven into the conversation at the convention, and to -- >> such as -- >> well, such as the fact we need to pivot quickly off fossil fuels to save our planet. we need to dramatically reduce of cost of college to save opportunity for our children. we have to greatly expand living waged jobs to save the middle class and get cash out of politics to save our republic. these are the core pieces of the puzzle that we hope can be fully articulated, and that will be both great policy and great politics. >> so is bernie sanders waiting until the party or the platform embraces those tennants and promises that at the consequence those will be the tenants of the party before he officially gets out? >> he'll work to make sure these key ideas get woven in. exactly how, what he will ask for in terms of the platform, in terms of the rules, in terms of the type of presentations that our nominee makes in terms of embracing these ideas is a conversation, it's a dialogue, between secretary clinton and senator bernie sanders, and it's a really important dialogue, just as it was eight years ago between senator obama and then senator clinton. >> yes. so then what is sanders' timing? what is senator sanders waiting for? the convention? >> i think he's engaged -- pivoting to turn to this dialogue. he said he had a very productive conversation with secretary clinton. plans to speak with her soon. he's bringing a group together this coming sunday to discuss kind of the path forward. so, you know, he's back. he's resting after california and the six states from last tuesday. he did say he would take his campaign officially through this coming tuesday, when d.c. votes. he wanted to honor, certainly wants to honor the premise he put forward that he would stay in the race until everyone in america has had a chance to vote, but the dialogue is under way. >> senator merkley, i want to ask you about the timing of everything that happened yesterday. yesterday was billed at bernie sanders big day. he was going to the white house. he was having a sit-down with president obama. he was walking along the white house colonnade and right after hess left in sort of rapid fire succession he's endorsement from president obama and vice president joe biden and elizabeth warren came out. did you consider that as a little bit of a dis to bernie sanders? >> i didn't personally take it that way. the president had already telegraphed he was preparing to make an endorsement. he wanted to touch break, i think a gracious gesture with bernie sanders to have a dialogue. again that is part of the conversation about bringing the wings together. the president saying i'm going to endorse our nominee. our nominee is in place, i'm going to back her, but also holding the conversation with bernie sanders about, about the ideas he presented, congratulating him on the incredible campaign he ran, and acknowledging the power of the ideas he presented. that's what moved millions of americans in the grass roots, these profound and solid recommendations about how we change course to put america back on track. those have to be part of the campaign going into the fall, because they're right in terms of how we're off track and incredibly important in terms of mobilizing americans to feel like this election really matters. >> reports that senator elizabeth warren and hillary clinton are meeting this morning. do you think that that is a possible ticket we're seeing? >> well i would love to see that. that would be enormously powerful. certainly in this dialogue about bringing the two wings of the party together it would be enormously powerful, but i have so much respect for elizabeth warren. she is brilliant, articulate, passionate, talks be a the values that we care about. she really knows how to communicate that to american audiences. it would be a terrific partnership between the two of them to be a ticket together. >> and so you weren't troubled by the fact that she didn't wait until tuesday? you know, bernie sanders promised he's going to stay in through the d.c. primary on tuesday. should elizabeth warren, as coming from your camp in the party, should she, you know -- she could have made as big a plash next week? >> no. no, i wasn't troubled. there are two different things going on here. one is bernie is fulfilling his promise to stay in the race until everyone votes and i respect him a great deal for doing that, but we know within the party that the goal posts have been met. that we have our nominee. so the conversation begins about how to take that nominee forward, and that was the decision that elizabeth made, and i don't think there's any reason to secretary guess her on it. >> senator jeff merkley. thanks so much for being on "new day." great to talk to you. >> great to talk with you. >> get to chris. seems pretty clear trump's comments about a federal judge really sent some republicans just running for the hills, but other republicans are staying in his corner. so how do they justify this situation? 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>> is trump down? yes. is he out? nope. he is the gop presumptive nominee. so people are with him. the question is, how do they negotiate this period and how do they move forward together? that's discuss with cnn political commentator and trump supporter kailee mcenkcenancena. what is your pushback to the argument against him about the metaphor effect on his temperament of what we're seeing right now, about the judge, the system, and his response to it? >> people want someone on the outside. there's a reason that donald trump got more votes than any nominee in presidential history. people are in the mood for someone who says it like it is. sometimes does he go too far? yes, but it's his greatest attribute and his achilles' heel. he has to learn to rein it in at times. that said, people want a straight shooter, tired of the teleprompter speeches and that can take him far if he learns how to rein it in at those times. >> big if. have we seen any proof that donald trump -- i know the word presidential bothers some. right? seems to be some kind of retreat to the arcane, this retreat to political correctness, but have you ever seen him in this process change and say, you know what? that was wrong. i shouldn't have done it. i'm sorry. here's what i've learned. now i'll do it differently? >> a think the heidi cruz retweet. he said, i shouldn't have done that. i shouldn't retweet and he really hasn't. last night he did retweet, he did, but -- >> that's the point, though, right? >> largely, he stopped that. one thing he does so well and this is where sometimes he falters. when he conducting interviews, rather answers interview questions he answers the question asked of him. a great attribute. people ask questions, he answers. accident deflect lie hillary clinton, a master deflector. will not answer the question. saw it twice inner interview with an alternate network. she deflected. donald trump does not. >> to say that trump doesn't deflect is one of the least substantiated comments i've ever heard. that man can dance like he's on broadway and that's an asset also. i don't think candors is what is getting him in this, i think it's what you just heard from his supporter ben carson. he thought -- he spoke -- but he didn't think before he spoke, r situation. he just said it instead of thinking first and then saying it. that's not a good about tra beaut if you're going to be in this game. you have to learn to do it differently. can he? >> i think he can. i don't think he is a deflector. he was asked about this judge. walks into an interview. wants to talk about the economy, about terrorism. everyone asks about the judge comments and he answers them. asked, unlike hillary clinton. >> he could answer lots of different ways. i'm take care of this case. it's irrelevant. let me talk about this. instead he took a shot at the judge not only unsubstantiated but totally denied by his own lawyer, and now has the gop leadership against him. and again, it's important for people to know, this isn't my take or the media's take. this is your own. it is their take. listen to the gop leaders. >> he needs to quit these gratuitous attacks on various americans. >> it's at odds not just as a party. it's at odds with who he are as americans. >> i feel like a broken. i say this all the time. i am continually disappointed. >> a moot point. he won't be in the white house if he continues to make these kind of statements. >> are you saying it's possible you can walk into that arena in cleveland, ohio, and not endorse? >> absolutely. of course. >> said on fox news, no less. it is a tricky proposition for someone like kailee mcen k cen anyone -- mcen ninny. he's your racist, your bigot and you have to put your arms around him and go against the other side? is that the proposition. >> i take issue with the premise. i don't think he said anything bigoted or racist. i disagree with ryan on that front rnts a front. >> and all the others? >> let's look at the big pig chpig -- the big picture. chris christie said, to truly believe donald trump is a racist you have to believe he thinks another race is inferior. that's hard to believe. hired people of all colors, dealt with people of all colors and nags agents. >> but he consistently brings up peoples differences as reason for action. this guy's mexican. forget about the fact he isn't. his heritage is what it is. he chose to bring it pup make it about terror and islam, what mexicans are like. you don't have to define immigration this way. he makes these choices. isn't that curious to you? >> no. he's a realist. look at the muslim ban or temporary ban on muslims until we figure what's going on. >> all muslims. >> the president will not marry radical islam with terrorism. that is a problem when someone will not acknowledge that these terrorist attacks have an undergirding, are all radicals muslim? absolutely not. >> but that's what he -- people say, those muslims where did they get that from? from trump in part. a lot of people think that as well, but he's made it part of the president's campaign. that's tricky also, right? >> he's a realist. realizes terror stops at the border. 400 isis went into paris. how do we figure how someone got in on a visa and killed 14, 15 americans, until we figure that out we have to stop it. he's a realist when he said, until we figure it out, this is what has to happen. >> what's the difference -- we doeth know there's a difference between being a realist and bigoted in terms of how you define reality? right? i think that's kind of the space that he's wound up crossing over for a lot of people. that diversity is america's greatest strength and yet now it seems for donald trump diversity keeps coming up something he sees as problem, with the judge, with muslims, we people coming across the border illegally. does he have to stop that to be president? >> i think he shouldn't have mentioned the judge's heritage. something he shouldn't have done. >> should he apologize? >> i don't think so. i look at his intent. it bas to bring up the judge's association with la raza san diego. >> would you apologize if you said it? >> for that? >> you wouldn't have never said it? >> it never would be racist intent. no. you don't apologize. what he was trying to say was bigger than the media made it seem. they isolated one statement cut out the parts where he brought up the judge's actions he thought was biased and focused on that one statement. he shouldn't apologize. never had a racist intent. >> thank you for making the case. appreciate it as also. legendary boxer muhammad ali laid to rest today. next, his daughter laila ali joins us live to give a personal reflection of the life and legacy of the man they all called "the greatest." what are you doing? getting faster. huh? detecting threats faster, responding faster, recovering faster. when your security's built in not just bolted on, and you protect the data and not just the perimeter, you get faster. wow, speed kills. systems open to all, but closed to intruders. trusted by 8 of 10 of the world's largest banks. wannwith sodastreamter? 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>> my father was a role model, i think anybody in the public eye is a role model and he happened to be a muslim. and his religion was very important to him. i mean, there's so much history there, of course, and so much growth as a man of god, and, you know, he started off one way and ended up another, and we got to see that all unfold and in the end, i look at him -- because i'm not muslim. i didn't choose to be muslimusl but i see that my father is a very spiritual man. he loves all people. people of all religions and believes people should be who they want to be but there's right and there's wrong. doesn't matter your religion and all people to him were equal, like i said, thought all people were the same and wanted peace and equality for all. >> your father bas diagnosed in 1994 with parkinson's disease. on some level you've been mentally preparing for this day for a long time. does that make it easier? >> i definitely think so. i think it's -- it would be much harder if, you know, anyone who's lost a loved one suddenly knows. you're just going about your life and everyone's healthy, all of a sudden someone passes away, it's more of a shock, but i do understand the circle of life. we all have to go at some point. but when somebody's sick and have a disease that progressively gets worse you're watching that happen and you know it's going to gb worse just as he did. he planned for this himself. imagine that, being so detailed about your passing. definitely makes it easy, but we're still very sad and like i've said before, i've been sad for a long time, just watching my father go through it. you don't should it. you suppress it because he doesn't want you to feel sad or bad, and he wouldn't now, because this is something that was bound to happen, and now it's here and we just have to go through the process. >> for those of us who only knew your father as this larger than life sports figure, what do you want us all to know about him personally? >> you know, it's -- my father was larger than life, but he was such a, just a regular person, too. that's the thing. like, he never wanted to feel like he was better than anybody else or above anybody else. you know, he happened to be known around the world, but would still walk down the street, and, you know, eating in restaurants and never feel like, you know, he had to be secluded from anyone. he always included everybody. he loved people. i think that's the main thing. he loved kissing babies. he loved making everyone feel special. especially those that most people wouldn't notice. whether the housekeeper, the janitor or, you know, the trash man. those are the people that he really paid extra attention to. you know? so i think that, you know, he loved god, he loved himself and he loved all people and i think that's something that we all want to strive for -- maybe not all, but i would say to my standards would strive to be the best that we can be and i nat he d. and he loved you. we're looking at these pictures of you from the time that you were a toddler on, and how much, how proud he was of you, and how much he loves you. i know that you posted this powerful picture to your instagram account, and it is, the sign being hung on west 33rd street that says, muhammad ali way. what does this picture mean to you? >> i think it's great. i mean, my father -- fought at madison square garden, and was a part of making new york city what it is now, and i thought when i first saw it i thought to myself, my dad probably was thinking like what took them so long? and it's a temporary sign. you know? it's a temporary sign but a great honor for him and a very nice way to pay homage to him. >> people are gathering right now outside of your father's childhood home in louisville, kentucky. obviously, we'll be following everything that happens and unfolds today. laila ali, we'll be thinking of you. take care. thanks for sharing everything with us. >> thank you so much. we appreciate it. thank you. stay with cnn today for coverage of muhammad ali's funeral and memorial service that starts at 1:30 eastern today. chris? all right. now, this statement is not news. mitt romney is not a fan of donald trump. you know that, but now, what is romney's role? what is he going to do as trump starts to court donors? is romney going to do something to block that? to take down his own party's presumptive nominee? we're talking to be a topraiser summit, next. stuffy nose? can't sleep? take that. a breathe right nasal strip instantly opens your nose up to 38% more than allergy medicine alone. shut your mouth and say goodnight, mouthbreathers. breathe right. shoshow me more like this.e. show me "previously watched." what's recommended for me. x1 makes it easy to find what you love. call or go online and switch to x1. only with xfinity. the e2 summit in you'utah bs together some of the best minds in the republican party. this year, an odd dynamic. the summit's host, mt romney, sharply at odds with the party's presumptive nominee donald trump. let's talk with spencer zwick, managing partner of solar capital. thanks for being on "new day" g. >> good to be with you. >> do you think what we're experiencing with trump right now, the comments about the judge, refusal to apologize, how ease doubled down, gop response of negativity, will it hurt his ability to fund razise? created instability within the party. comments creates uncertainty. >> what do you say, if somebody says, look, they're saying in our leadership what this man said is bigoted, may be racist, how am i supposed to justify my decision to give him money, if that's true? what do you tell them? >> well, donors do ask that question. they wonder, how can they support of party whose nominee is going to say racist things? they hope that they doesn't continue to say those things, but for many of the donors, chris, they, that will be it for them. i think there are donors certainly here and that i've talked to around the country who have decided that those comments and as well as others have are, are going to prevent them from supporting donald trump. >> i hear from other deep pockets, though that there is somewhat of an existential battle. what is my alternative? this guy won the process, vanquished a big field, and my alternative is clinton as president, who to many in the gop is being, you know, likened to evil incarnate. is that what it is? you have to go with trump because you can't have clinton? >> there's no question that that feeling exists. last night we had a chance to hear from secretary james baker, former secretary of state, as well as leon panetta, former secretary of defense. they gave differing points of view, and i think doane edonors away saying i can't support hillary clinton. there are only two options and therefore i have to support donald trump, but many are doing so reluctantly but are republicans, want to support the party, believe in party unity, but their optimism and excitement for supporting donald trump when he makes comments like that brings that into question. >> and, of course, money can always just choose to stay out. right? what makes it different than the elected and what they have to do whip staying with the party. give me some scoop. what do you expect mitt romney to make this summit about? >> well, this has always been a summit about ideas. he's done this summit since 2012. he's brought together leaders in business, in industry, in politics, in public policy, and it's a chance to talk about ideas on american leadership. we've had democrats. we've had republicans. what we do is find common ground on ideas that are important related to american leadership, and i think this year will be, you know, we'll do that as well. we won't have any presidential candidates here at the summit this year, but certainly presidential politics is a topic at every conversation. >> he has been so outspoken. even uncharacteristically so, about donald trump. that he's gone after trump in ways that mitt romney doesn't usually go after people. what do you think he's going to ask people here at the summit? what are you hearing already? you're very close with him. so what does he want? does he want the money to stay out? does he want you to make the convention about bringing in an insuggestant? what does he want? >> let me be clear, this is not a nerve trump gathering. that is a very important point, that this is gathering, it's been going on four years. it's not designed to try to stop donald trump. likewise, the not a pro-trump gathering. although we will hear from republican leaders, we're going to hear from paul ryan, from reince priebus. the donors here are obviously largely republican donors, but this is not an effort to try to stop those donors. governor romney has good friends that are supporting donald trump. he has good friends supporting hillary clinton at this point, and a lot who are sitting on the sidelines waiting to see what happens. and some, frankly, who have said i'm staying out of the presidential and folks my effort instead on protecting a house majority in the house of representatives and paul ryan's agenda is something i want to get behind. >> that's what we're hearing. how do we avoid trump -- a bizarre conversation to have. you can't ignore the guy at the top of the ticket, but that's what we're starting to hear. what was sentiment like last night? >> well, when the summit opened, people were highly interested in certainly what james baker and leon panetta had to say from different sides of the aisleip think people will are interested in what paul ryan has to say as well as governor romney. reince priebus, of course will talk about party unity. why it's so important to bringd are by and large still on the sidelines. back in 2012, in the month of june governor romney raised $100 million in one single month along with the republican party. a sense of complete party unity amongst donors. that hasn't happened yet in the trump organization. maybe it will. there's still time. he's pulling donors together, but certainly among the group here i would say it's split. >> spencer zwick, you got your work cut out for you this year, my friend. look forward to checking in with you throughout this process. appreciate you being on "new day." have a good weekend. enjoy the summit. >> thanks for having me. >> all right. we have a cnn exclusive coming up. wolf blitzer is going to interview the man at the middle of this summit. mitt romney. he's going to be on "the situation room" at 5:00 p.m. eastern, only on cnn. alisyn? 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cialis and a $200 savings card season seven of anthony bourdain parts unknown wraps up this weekend in buenos aires. tony bourdain himself, here with us now. how do you feel after all this traveling? do you feel better than ever? >> i do, though after you spend a week or ten days in argentina, when i saw my first vegetable on returning to the states, i almost fell to my knees and wept with joy. i mean, it is -- i am a carnvor, but meat and more meat. >> they really take their meat very seriously down there. you took this shoot very seriously. >> yes. >> you say on a show that is known for being gorgeous, you're saying you've seen nothing yet. >> we worked really, really hard. buenos aires is beautiful. a texture, color scheme that is really unique in the world. we put a lot of effort into depicting it in a particularly s sinemtaic form. people from buenos aires, psychotherapy is really big there. everybody has a therapist. no shame or dishonor in admitting, i'm going to talk to my therapist about my problems. i mean, everybody, you know, middle class, working class, upper class, it is not uncommon to have some kind of -- someone to talk to. >> what did you get in terms of darivation and development? >> i have no idea where this comes from and why it seems to be unique to ar jen tin at thar >> really interested. they call it the paris of south america. it is really big with food. obviously known for their barbecue. but different than we are here in the states. barbecue means so many different things to people here. there is a purism. what did you find? >> they grill. they pile wood, tons and tons of wood, burn it out into coals and slow grill every cut you can imagine of every type of sus sag -- sausage. more meat, really. i'm joking, but i don't think i saw a salad the entire time i was there. >> you have to go with what they're doing. getting deep into the organic nature of the place. that's what you do best. >> wine and meat. >> what do you find in the hope metric, the hope aspect of the people down there, argentina, buenos aires specifically. people are watching it to see which way the entire continent will go. what are you seeing? >> they've teetered back and forth many times. i don't know. there is a morbid sense of humor, i think resignation. they've been some really awful times, and survived. i think, you know, reasonably cautiously hopeful. but not optimistic in a foolish way. i mean, expect the worst, you'll never be disappointed. >> so how do you feel now that the season is done? >> i feel good. i feel -- i'm looking forward to another one. i have the best job in the worldment i'm milking it for everything i can. >> any obvious bucket list item you're still waiting to check? >> i'm hoping that we could find a safe way to shoot in northern afghanistan. you know, in a responsible way. bangladesh, yemen, i'm hoping, you know. a lot of the places we haven't filmed yet is probably for security reasons. there are parts of the world i'm curious about, but i have to be cautious. >> you do. because you have to do it right. you have to be safe. but boy, you give such great access to the rest of us. thank you so much, tony. congratulations on another amazing season. always great to have him hear you. c you can watch it sunday, anthony bourdain, only on cnn. man, that looked delicious. we're following a lot of news this morning, including hillary clinton big endorsements, let's get right to it. >> i'm with her. >> she has the courage, compassion and the heart to get the job done. >> donald trump is a loud, nasty, thin-skinned fraud. >> god willing in my view, it will be secretary clinton. >> huddling with top donors and reince priebus. >> learning thousand be a candidate. >> i'm going do everything in my power to make sure that donald trump does not become president. >> it is a sentence that shocked the country, six months in jail for sexually assaulting a defenseless stranger. >> he will not serve his full six months in jail. >> six months, reduced to three, for so-called good behavior. >> no scenario where your son should be the sympathetic figure here. he is the rapist. >> this entire sentence is outrageous. >>announcer: this is "new day," with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> welcome, it is friday, june 10th. 8:00 in the east. the rape story continues to have developments everyday. they continue to try to get the judge off the bench. so we'll tell everybody all the developments. >> very frustrating with the facts being what they were. the second one, not much you can do about it. if there is not a mistake of law, the sentence stands. >> we'll talk to the legal experts about all of that. hillary clinton capping off a very big week. president obama and vice-president den biden, elizabeth warren now saying they're with the nominee now. clinton is expected to meet with elizabeth warren, while bernie sanders' campaign is nearing its end. >> struggling to get the party leaders back around him. we all know what caused it. it was his latest attacks on the judge and legal system. so let's begin our courage with suzanne malveaux live in washington. >> good morning, chris. an ex ffort by the white house d hillary clinton camp. hosting a high profile visit with bernie sanders at the white house, that was in the beginning of the day, then just 90 minutes later, he releases this well produced video on facebook, endorsing clinton. the video that he made two days prior, clinton getting a heads up about the endorsement as early as sunday. >> an incredible show of force, top democrats lining up behind hillary clinton. >> i'm with her. i am fired up. i cannot wait to get out there and campaign for hillary. >> president obama endorsing clinton, just hours after meeting with bernie sanders at the white house. the president and clinton, set hit the campaign trail together, in wisconsin next week. vice-president joe biden following suit. making it clear who he thinks the next president should be. >> god willing in my view, it will be secretary clinton. >> and progressive senator, elizabeth warren, backing clinton too. >> i am ready to get in this fight and work my heart out for hillary clinton to become the next president of the united states. >> warren, a liberal favorite, could be crucial in the gab between clinton and sanders supporters. the coordinated endorsements, stealing the thunder of sanders trip to d.c., as his campaign winds down. >> needless to say, i'm going to do everything in my power, and i will work as hard as i can to make sure that donald trump does not become president of the united states. >> sanders also helping to project unity, by meeting with the vice-president, and senate congressional leaders. >> here we are in mid june, and we're still standing. >> question now is when will sanders fully support clinton as the nominee. >> my hope is that over the next couple of weeks, we're able to pull things together. the main role i'm going to be playing in this process is to remind the american people that this is a serious job. you know, this is not reality tv. >> president obama and hillary clinton will hit the campaign trail on wednesday, that is in green bay, wisconsin. it will be the first of several joint appearances that will lead up to the democratic national con vens convention in philadelphia. he hopes to use his high approval rating and appeal to the young voters and help garner support for clinton. he has a legacy to preserve in supreme court nominations that are critical to the democratic party. alisyn. >> thank you for all of that. if hillary clinton was looking for an attack dog to unleash on donald trump, she found one in elizabeth warren. the democratic senator unloading on trump in a fiery speech, some wonder whether it was an audition for the vp slot. watch this. >> even disqualifying judges based on their professional background isn't enough for donald trump. trump tells everyone who will listen that he is a great businessman. but let's be honest. he is just a guy who inherited a fortune and kept it rolling along by cheating people. in america, we have the rule of law. and that means no matter how rich you are, no matter how loud you are, no matter how famous you are, if you break the law, you can be held accountable, even if your name is donald trump. trump is criticizing judge curiel for following the law instead of bending it to suit the financial interests of one wealthy and oh, so fragile defendant. now, trump also whined that he is being treated unfairly because the judge happens to be, we believe, mexican. and when he got called out, he doubled down by saying i'm building a wall. it's an inherent conflict of interest. he has personally, personally directed his army of campaign surrogates to step up their own public attacks on judge curiel. he has even condemned federal judges who are muslim on the disgusting theory that trump's own bigotry compromises the judge's neutrality. you just can't make this stuff up. we will not allow a small insecure, thin-skinned want to be tyrant or his allies in the senate to destroy the rule of law in the united states of america. we will not. >> all right, let's discuss the impact of that. the strategy behind and the road ahead. senior commentator and advisor to barack obama, david the x axelrod. >> good morning, i'm great. i'm great. >> we have three big issues. warren and what it will mean to the race. we have what this race seems to be about now, which is your word, temperament versus ethics, and then what we're seeing in terms of the clinton process toward unity. let's start with warren's impact. what do you think about this tactic using her to go after donald trump in a way that clinton seems slow to want to do. and what does it mean for her future within this campaign, warren? is this an introduction to her as a vp? >> well, look, she has taken on this role herself, even before she endorsed secretary clinton. she has been out there, and she has been hitting trump hard, and obviously, getting under his skin, because he keeps reacting to her, both on twitter and in his public interactions. so she is striking a nerve, and she'll continue to do that, i'm sure. and that, you know, often is the role of a vice-presidential nominee, to take the attack to the opponent, whether she becomes the nominee or not, i don't know. but she is smart. she is incisive, and obviously speaks to a base of the democratic party. >> and let's go to what this means, you know. there was all this talk out of the clinton campaign, give sanders room. let's see what happens. maybe he goes to the convention. maybe it doesn't. then as soon as the door shuts out of the oval office, the president has a video ready where he is supporting clinton. you have biden, warren there. what do you think of the timing, and what does this remind you of with your experience in 2008 when clinton dropped out and you had to negotiate the unity with then senator obama? >> yeah, well, first of all, i think the most important thing that happened yesterday with what bernie sanders said when he came out of the white house. his statement was about as good as it could be from the standpoint of hillary clinton. though he didn't endorse her, it was clear that he was declaring himself part of the team, that he was going to be out there in the fall, working, you know, to defeat donald trump, and by im indication -- implication to elect hillary clinton. none of the language we heard before was part of his statement. any democratic could have embraced the statement that he made. so i think she must have been very heart ended by what bernie sanders said yesterday. he clearly knew that tape was coming. these endorsements were coming. the president, it seems to me, has been very, very careful throughout this process to be respectful of bernie sanders. and of his supporters. remember, this is a president who was elected by a movement, such as the movement that really propelled bernie sanders, and he wasn't going to lie on the tracks to stop the movement, but now the race is over. it is clearly over. and that process is moving forward. and it's different, chris, than 2008, because there wasn't a sitting president in 2008 popular within the democratic party to bring people together. and i will say this. i have great sympathy for senator sanders and his supporters in that you're going 100 miles an hour, you're completely dedicated to what you're doing and then it comes to a screeching halt and expected to extend your hand and seau kay, now i'm for you. that's a hard thing to do. yesterday was a big step forward in that process. >> temperament versus ethics. what we're seeing with trump right now, his comment about the judge, his misstatement of the conditions of his own trial. his refusal to apology, his doubling down. the gop now recoiling the leadership. versus well, what about clinton. what about what she did in benghazi, the e-mails what, we see with her and the clinton global initiative. how do you see this match-up? >> well, look, he is going to try to insert that discussion back into the bloodstream on apparently on monday is what he said. and we'll see how successful. he isn't changing the narrative. we just went through a week that was the best week by far for hillary clinton and her whole campaign, starting with her speech last thursday in san diego, where she really took it to trump hard. and i think provoked him to react in ways that sent him in the other direction. now you see the democratic unifying, and he having trouble unifying the republican party. he needs to change the narrative, and he is going to try to do it apparently with a big blast on this question. her liability, if you look at polling, is on some of these questions of trustworthiness. his liability is on preparedness and temperament, and whether people can actually picture him in that office. and so he needs to sort of blast the thing back to the other discussion, and it's going to be hard to do. because right now, it is very much the debate is very much on her terms. >> it's interesting. it sounds like you're making this week not to be a complete accident. you think clinton helped trump have a bad week. how so? >> there is no question about it. i think her speech was so provocative last thursday that, you know, and some of his in temperant remarks, it is almost as if he wanted to change the subject, to you know, i think that what we've learned is that he is very reactive. what happened in the republican primaries was that many of his opponents tried to navigate around him, without going right at him, and they ended up playing the game on their side of the field, answerd he was on offense. he doesn't play defense particularly well. so i think there was a message in that for the clinton campaign, which is try to keep him on defense. i think you'll see that moving forward. and you know, one thing i want to say, these are -- there is an eternity between now and november. >> 150 days. >> each of these candidate also have -- each of these candidate also have good days and bad days, and we'll undoubtedly be breathless about all of it. at the ends of the day, i have this feeling that you saw the outlines of at least the clinton campaign this week, and the potential it has to set -- to put trump on the back of his heels. >> well, ax, you were a ballplayer, we know who clinton's five are, right. she has obama, biden, bill clinton, she's got warren, and maybe sanders will be on the starting team as well. we've got to see who trump can put around him. you can't do it by yourself. let's take a look at the road ahead. you see something in the choice with the candidates are making. let's put up where clinton is going, all right. these are somewhat typical stops, except for wisconsin. what do you think that's about, going to wisconsin? what do you see in her first choice. she'll thereby with obama, of course. >> yeah, it's not surprising she would go to the midwest. wisconsin, honestly, democrats have won the last two elections in wisconsin, but it is a competitive state. >> she lost it to sanders too. >> one not to be taken for granted. she did. you know, the midwest generally is going to be a battle ground. i expect you're going see her in ohio, you're going to see her in pennsylvania, you're going to see her surrogates there. i want to go back to the point you made for a second, though, which you you named the big five she will have out there. then who does trump put on the court. the problem for donald trump is that he is the only player on the court. you know, he takes up so much room, and there is so much reluctance on the part of other republicans to take the court with him, that he is out manned right now. and it is going to be a problem for him, unless he can find a way to bring some of these big republican guns in. very few of whom match up with the people who clinton has. so you know, when you make yourself the entire show, it's hard to field a team of five. >> president obama is one of the best of using late night to get across serious messages within the entertainment context. let's take a look at what he did with jimmy fallon and get your take on it. >> thank you, hillary clinton, for possibly becoming the first president. i would have said female, but someone deleted the e-mail. >> thank you, congress, for spending eight years wishing you could replace me with a republican. or to put it another way, how do you like me now? >> he plays the straight man very well. but obviously, a little relish there in his tone as well. your take? >> oh, yeah. no, look, i think he -- i've known him obviously for a very long time. i think he is in a very good place right now. he feels good about what he has been able to accomplish, very focused on preserving those gains and building on them. he has deep affection and respect for hillary clinton. so he is not going out there 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trump university case, he felt fairly. why do you think this one, these comments of donald trump have stuck around longer than some of the other things he has said? >> well, you're seeing the message move on. you are seeing the news of the day get past it. hopefully we'll move on quickly as well. i think this was an issue that got misconstrued completely. what he was saying and we talked about this before, this specific judge based on his believes cannot be fair. >> because of his mexican heritage. >> not that he is somehow unable to be a judge or not fit to be a judge in general, just unfair to donald trump. and if you look at the background of the judge, look at his beliefs, his membership of a group that supports illegal immigration, that makes perfect sense. >> let's remind the audience of what donald trump said about this judge's mexican heritage. listen. >> this judge is of mexican heritage. i'm building a wall, okay. his mexican heritage and very proud of it. i'm building a wall, okay. i'm building a wall. i'm trying to keep business out of mexico. he is proud of his heritage, okay, i'm building a wall. we're building a wall. he is a mexican. we're building a wall between here and mexico. this judge is giving us unfair rulings. now i say why. well, i want to -- i'm building a wall, okay. and it is a wall between plmexi. not another country. >> i don't want to spend time re-litigating, but it was perceived as racist, even by fellow republicans. for this particular statement, more than the muslim ban, more than anything that he had said about women, this one is what fellow republicans have fastened on to and it doesn't seem to be going away. >> it is going away. paul ryan who made the racist comment, i completely disagree by saying one ethnicity is better than another. this is no wayside that, and paul ryan came back and said we should unify behind donald trump. >> are you sure? that's not what he said publicly. who did he tell privately to unify behind donald trump? >> tuesday was the comment he made i believe, and on wednesday, he had an internal meeting and came out and said we need to unify behind donald trump. if you look at the news coverage day-to-day, that's what happened. >> he said again yesterday how disheartened he was by donald trump's comments. let me lay for you -- >> disheartened and move on. >> how was he offended? >> because he thinks the comments were racist and the sda standard bearer of the party should be making comments like that. >> we should focusing on what donald trump will be doing for the country. >> let me play for you all of the republicans who have come out to speak against donald trump. >> and then let's talk about what donald trump will do for the country, right? >> let's first hear this. >> he needs to quit these attacks on various americans. >> odds just as americans. >> i say this all the time. but i continually am disappointed. >> a moot point whether you'll have a presidency, because he won't be in the white house if he continues to make these statements. >> do i think these antics and give us a campaign we cannot be proud of, yeah i've spoken clearly about it. >> they couldn't be more clear. they couldn't be stronger. boris, here is the thing. it now does appear to be affecting his poll numbers. for the first time after these comments, let me pull up the latest. fox news poll out this week, he has dropped six points since last month. not the same can be said of hillary clinton, who has stayed steady since may. donald trump went from 42 to 36. clinton, 39-39. gary johnson in the race, he has gone up from 10% to 12%. so it does seem to be affecting him. >> it is the margin of error, right. he is effectively tied with hillary clinton, with five months to go. the state by state polls, extremely important, trump is up in florida, tied in pennsylvania, human for a republican this early on and up in ohio. >> you're not concerned about the national polls. do you think that had he come out and apologized when this started to get a ground swell of people who said it was offensive it would have helped? >> absolutely not, after coming out of the conventions in 1988, and we know what happened. i'm not worried about polls early on. i'm very confident that trump will win on november 8th. and apologizing, not what he stands for, been disappointed to a lot of his backers. he did the right thing and staying on message, making america great again and on the economy, foreign policy and immigration. >> boris epstein, thank you for representing the trump side. >> my pleasure. cnn exclusive, wolf blitzer on the situation room interviewing mitt romney. vice-president biden, passional words encouragement and more, to oust the judge, next. vice-president joe biden, adding his voice to the millions around the world, coming out in support of that rape victim at stanford university. in an open letter, the vice-president, writes in part, i am in awe of your courage for speaking out for so clearly naming the wrongs that were done to you and so passionately asserting your equal claim to human dignity, and i am filled with furious anger both that this happened to you and that our culture is so broken that you were ever put in the position of defending your own worth. it must have been wrenching to relive what he did to you all over again. but you did it any way, in the hope that your strength might prevent this crime from happening to someone else. your bravery is breathtaking. you're warrior with a solid steel spine. more than 1 million have signed a petition to remove the judge in that case, aaron persky, from giving the convicted rapist only a six month sentence. turner could be out in as little as three months. joining us now to talk about this is stanford university law professor and friend of the survivor, michelle landis, and radio personality and adjunct professor, school of law. thank you for being here. this case continues with developments every single day. when a sentence is so out of the bounds in terms of what is customary, that this judge gave this rapist six months as opposed to the two years mandatory minimum sentence in state prison, is there a process by which that sentence can be overturned, appealed or changed? >> no. the only method that can go about appealing is the defense, which of course, is brock turner's family, who will appeal both his conviction and his sentence, with the information that we have right now. there is no way to do anything legally about what the judge did, which is within his discretion to give a sentence that he thinks is appropriate under california law. so we need to really dismiss the notion that he will get more time or that you can go back into court and fight for him to get a harsher sentence. that part of the trial is over. the only appeal will come from the defense. the only actions that can be taken now are to try to do all the things that they're trying to do to the judge, recall him, impeach him, censure him, push on him to resign. but as far as inside of the sentence, it's over. >> we'll get to those recall efforts in a moment. fers i wa first i want to talk about the maddening details that have come forward in terms of this perpetrator. the probation officer suggested that brock turner be spared prison. she concluded he was not a danger to the community. how can someone conclude that, when someone has been convicted of raping someone who is unconscious? >> yes, i agree completely, and i think that's exactly why the sentence was far too lenient. want to point out that regardless of whatever the probation department recommends, california law commits that decision to the discretion of the judge. the judge cannot pass the buck to the probation department. it was his call. that's why we're working to recall him. we have an official website, recall aaron persky.com and they should go to that website where they can sign up and donate. >> change.org has this recall petition, it is at more than 1 million supporters at this hour. >> yeah, those are wonderful ways to express outrage and i'm glad people are doing that, but those petitions are completely unrelated to the official california election. we have a highly skilled team of national political leaders, and consultants who have joined with us and we have aen official recall campaign, an election campaign, and we're going to put this before the voters, because we need a judge in that chair who understands sexual violence and understands violence against women and will follow the law. >> mo, this perpetrator was depicted as a star swimmer at stanford, somebody who was from a small town, he didn't understand the partying culture of college, he said. well, now the prosecutor's file has been released to the public. 471 pages. there is a lot of stuff coming out now about the perpetrator. he in fact, there is this photo that has been released of him holding what appears to be a bong, smoking pot, he sent texts about buying and doing acid. he sent texts about buying other drugs, wanting to take ecstasy and lsd. so should the judge have taken all of that into account, or are those things separate when sentencing someone for rape? >> no, the judge was listening to all the sentencing memos. from the prosecution as well as from the defense, which we see now, the documents have been released, they're in stark contrast to each other. really, who is brock turner. is this kid in high school who was wild and crazy and took those same behaviors to college. or was he this saint swimmer who was on his way to the olympics. i think that both sides panlt aid very different picture of him. we know in the end that in the discretion of the judge, he read both of those sentencing memos, and he decided that he only needed to sentence this particular young man to six months for raping a woman. >> very quickly, professor, i know you talked to the survivor everyday. what is her response to the outpouring that this case has created? >> well, you know, she is obviously very disappointed in the sentence, and very angry that the judge did not listen to her, and wasn't moved by her statement, in spite of the fact that millions of other people were. i think she is gratified by the support she is receiving from the community, but it doesn't make it better that she was ignored, her pain was ignored by judge aaron persky. which is why we're going to recall him in california. >> we know sanford's commencement is this weekend and we've heard from students there do plan to be protests. we'll be following that. thank you for the updates. >> thank you. >> a tough situation. another story for this you this morning, a police officer diffuses a dangerous situation and took some unusual measures to make that happen. we're going to show you how he went beyond the call of duty, next. to folks out there whose diabetic nerve pain... shoots and burns its way into your day, i hear you. to everyone with this 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>> well, ali was great man. a man that had character, that wanted you to be better. he inspired hope. >> in the ring, what did he mean to you in terms of what he represented in the sweet science? >> it meant a lot. 8 years old, be like ali. he was great. a man who backed up what he said, and engaged you. >> what made him the best, the g.o.a.t.t., when it came to boxing? >> well, you know, he strived. he was -- he is a man that stood up, stood up when it wasn't -- it wasn't comfortable or fashion enough to do so. this is what he did, and he backed up what he said. >> what i love about hearing from evander about ali is i'm talking to him about boxing, but by reflex, his instincts go beyond that, the greatness of the man outside the ring. you talk about ali as a warrior who baem a prophet of peace. it is interesting, i don't think we know anybody else who you see their greatness in one area, but it becomes melded with another the way it is with ali. >> that's true. listening to evander just now, and seeing the sadness in his eyes, i would urge him to move towards a time of celebration, and i was thinking back to a time when muhammad called me on christmas to wish me a merry christmas. i know evander is devoted in his faith as ali was in his. muhammad called to wish me a merry christmas. i said think about that for a minute. a muslim calling a jew, and muhammad said we're trying to get to the same place, and that's a good message for everybody today. >> how do you see ali's motivations? inside the ring and outside the ring with his work around the world, what was similar and different? >> muhammad said that his boxing was simply a platform for what came later in life. in truth, it was the foundation of everything he did. it is ironic, really, that the foundation of this man who became the embodiment of peace and love for several generations was violence. but that's how it started. he transcended that. he was a beacon of hope for o oppressed people. >> very drocontroversial. it wasn't today, when he did that. >> you have the same thing today, if someone who was very strident and adherent to the muslim faith, but if you had an american superstar who supported al qaeda, or isis, which is really the way people looked at ali in the early 1960s when he adhered to nation of islam doctrine, which is very different from what he embraced. one of the sad things is people say ali stood up for his principles. but they don't understand what his principles were back then. and how they evolved. at one point, he believed in a set of principles that arthur ashe referred to as american apa apartheid, and it should be something studied by everybody. it is important to get through these times. >> tom pointed out something that we can see here, people can see at home, evander, you try to have a smile on your face, but this a hard day. what did ali mean to you and how are you doing in terms of dealing with the fact that he is not here with us any more? >> well, it is bittersweet type situation, meaning that he set goals for people to achieve. and but you know, at some point in time, you know, for everybody, they have a day that they have to meet the maker. and he left a legacy. >> will there be another like ali? >> i think that's the whole goal. the goal in life is to inspire somebody to be better. >> what mattered more to you, how great he was inside the ring or outside? >> well, all of them worked together inter changeable. as a kid, you know, i, you know, at 8 years old, i just seen a fighter. but in 1996, olympics, you felt that he was -- bigger than -- more than a fighter. this man did all this great work. >> you know, look, as you know, we've met before i've been a student of you for a long time. you changed styles. you changed as you phased through your championships what you had to do. so did ali. he had different pressure on him, right, when he took his fans, he was lightening fast before he became a slugger after. did you respect that transformation in him, and what did that take for him as a fighter? >> well, it takes a lot, you know. the fact of the matter in any situation, you know, it start this is way and turn to the right, turn to the left, but the person who don't quit is the one that is eventually rise to the top, then. and same thing that i've learned. if you don't quit, eventually, you'll win. >> but it's easy to say, hard to do. you've done it brilliantly and so did your mentor. champ, thank you for the perspective, i'm sorry for your loss. thomas, the same regards to you. i look forward to the new book, and reading after i process the current events. thanks for helping us understand this giant a little better. >> thank you for having me. just the beginning, stay with us for the memorial service. we'll begin our coverage at 1:30 eastern. 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[ laughter ] do anything. >> legs, all we can see is the legs. >> no, it looks good. >> come on, shorty. >> nice legs, huh? >> ooh. get out of the way. good legs. go ahead. >> always good if you don't fall out of the bus. like ford, gerald ford, remember? >> down below. pull the handle. >> nice to meet you. >> terrific. you know billy bush. >> mow are you? >> nice to see you. how are you? >> very well. thank you. are you ready to be a soap star? >> absolutely. let me be a soap star. >> how about a little hug for donald. he just got off the bus. >> absolutely. melania said it was okay. >> the trump campaign's first reaction was to say that it was simply locker room banter. then there was a written apology by donald trump in which he said he apologized if anyone was offended. that apology performance not accepted by anyone in republican politics anywhere in this country. and donald trump realized at some point today that he and the campaign staff were going to have to release a recorded video apology. that took the trump campaign hours to produce. hours after midnight, they released this recorded video. >> i've never said i'm a perfect person, nor pretended to be someone that i'm not. i've said and done things i regret. the words released today on this more than a decade-old video are one of them. anyone who knows me knows these words don't reflect who i am. i said it. i was wrong. i apologize. i've traveled the country talking about change for america. my travels have also changed me. i've spent time with grieving mothers who have lost their children, laid-off workers whose jobs have gone to other countries, and people from all walks of life who just want a better future. i have gotten to know the great people of our country, and i've been humbled by the faith they placed in me. i pledge to be a better man tomorrow and will never, ever let you down. let's be honest -- we're living in the real world. this is nothing more than an distraction from the important issues we're facing today. we're losing jobs, less safe than we were eight years ago, and washington is totally broken. hillary clinton and her kind have run our country into the ground. i've said some foolish things, but there's a big difference between the words and actions of other people. bill clinton has actually abused women, and hillary has bullied, attacked, shamed and intimidated his victims. we will discuss this in coming days. see you at the debate on sunday. >> we're joined by host of "hardball," chris matthews in washington. to watch utah, you have experience working in utah politics some time ago. it hasn't changed that much. you said to watch utah, utah republicans are now in open revolt against grump. -- against donald trump. the senator of utah, jason chaffetz, on the program. you heard him retracting his endorsement of donald trump. what next? >> that's a start. i think all politics is local, as my old boss tim o'neil, used to say. and that reflects the community of salt lake and utah which is the this is not our guy. not the person. long before this tape, drug was a bragard, a big shot, he throws his weight around. he's not the personality they like out there. then to find that this is he behind the scenes, how he behaves when the cameras aren't on and he thinks the mike is off. i was thinking, lawrence, that this tape will be around for years. it will be around to explain the results of this campaign, it will outlive us. it will be non-degradable. and the thing that comes across for us in a society in which men and women are supposed to act a little differently plans you might say, imagine if hillary clinton had been the one on that bus. imagine -- it is unimaginable that she would talk as she was presenting herself like he said to billy bush, let's walk out together. he's choreographing this whole thing. then he makes a reference to a president, gerald ford. he's thinking big picture. he's thinking how he's presenting himself. even as he moves out of the bus there he is talking about how he would grab someone -- imagine if hillary clinton said i'm a big shot, whenever i want to, i can grab some guy florida way, it's absurd to think about that. and i think that put this into perspective of what's beyond the pale. robert costa is a fabulous reporter with the "washington post." and he somehow maintains his independence and judgment in covering donald trump all these months now. he joins us by phone. robert, thank you for joining us. and i do respect your reporting and objectively, i was going back tonight with lawrence just looking at the a.p. report tonight. it's so objective. and it's an objective fact the situation that mr. trump finds himself in. have you read the lead? here it is -- "after being caught on tape making shockingly crude comments about a married wom woman" -- important here --" he tried to seduce, he said in a midnight video," spooky here, "i was wrong. and i apologize, " yet, key word, "we're wrong to be talking about it. the conservatives like those in utah and the rest of the country, the leadership of the republican party are wrong to be distracted by this. something like they're too infantile to know this is important. and argue withed his words were not egregious as former president bill clinton's marital affairs in the '90s. what do you make of what trump's going through, he's seeing this and sees progressives piling on. he's also seeing objective reporters looking and say, my god, this is a bombshell? >> reporter: great to join you. it's not just what donald trump is going through, it's what the republican party is going through. these are two different circle that's have been linked the last 6 to 12 months, and they're at odds behind the scenes. based on my reporting, trump has been reluctant to apologize, it took hours. that's why the video was late, to get him to this point. because of speaker paul ryan and rnc chairman reince priebus, numerous elected officials, there's immense pressure. i think your point about utah is so on the money because utah is the tip of the iceberg tonight. jason chaffetz, the chairman in the house, you have senator mike lee now calling on donald trump to step aside. favored conservatives in utah. and those in the community and the gop -- i expect tomorrow morning you're going to see each more elected officials beyond utah ask trump to either step aside or fully denounce him. >> what do you think the chances are -- maybe a hard question for a straight reporter -- is there any chance trump will do what tom eagleton did in '72 as nominee for vice president, throw it back to the republican national committee to pick someone else? >> reporter: i've heard tonight from several top republicans that they themselves are thinking about it. for example, i spoke to spencer zwick, top fundraiser for the speaker, a longtime confidante of mitt romney. that wing of the party tonight between 11:00 p.m. and now, they're on the phone, they're thinking through what are the options, what happens if pence could get the ticket, could he be the presidential nominee. in trump tower, it's a different scene. you have to remember that, trump you to or 5th avenue -- tower, 5th avenue, you from a combative mood, he is not in the mood to step aside. >> thank you very much. robert costa of the "washington post" who's been covering this guy so effectively for all these months. back to you, sir. thank you. this was a 248-word apology that donald trump released tonight. exactly six of those words were apology. he said, "i was wrong, and i apologize." we are joined now by brian williams. brian, i know you've talked to sources on the republican side of the world about where things stand tonight. what are you hearing? >> reporter: robert costa and i may indeed be making the same phone calls to the same people. he is so right that there are two communities here, two constituencies. this a force inside trump tower, and there is what we used to call the republican party. i think a lot of republicans have gotten on board calling this the party of donald trump since the convention there is a wisconsin element to this story. it is multi-pronged, and as you've been discussing, as your guests have been discuss, very powerful. it includes but is not limited to the speaker of the house, and everyone in his camp. it includes reince priebus who has had this remarkable public metamorphosis that's been dictate by the pace and timing of the race, and scott walker is never far from all political things wisconsin. chris matthews correctly points out utah as a conservative indicator. kind of unique but also a mover. there's a -- there's word that the pence campaign is anxious for air cover. anyone around politics for ten minutes saw the discomfort as they were trying to get the candidate and the press out separately tonight. we all know how mike pence has run in this race. the constituencies that are important to him, the community he came out of. this is a pivotal weekend we're going into. let's not forget that it's bookended sunday night by a primetime audience that may exceed the first debate. and a town hall format, one female, one male moderator. that traditionally favors the empathetic, it favors the tactile, it favors the retail politician. and finally, i'll appeal to your sense of history. and in plain english, the guy at the top often doesn't know if and when it's time to go. 1974, hugh scott of pennsylvania, barry goldwater of arizona, congressman john rhodes of arizona, made a long walk down the white house driveway, and they were the three who told richard nixon his time was up. and had to convince richard nixon his time was up. i am drawing no parallel here except to say the guy is often the last guy to know. this is going to be a real weekend of taking temperature, looking for defections, and again, will we see -- we've been talking about the storm for two days. will we see the reformation of an eyewall within a reconstituted what used to bea republican party? will there be a power structure enough to see if they want to make a go with it some other way. absolutely pivotal weekend in politics. >> brian, your point about that nixon moment i think is so important, not even necessarily to the specific issue of getting donald trump to step down but getting him to behave in the way the republican leadership wants him to. even if that were ultimately to include stepdown. one of the problems in that scenario is that as troubled as richard nixon was at that time, he was a far more sensible politician on his worst day than donald trump seems to be on his best day. and richard nixon understood who those people were who were coming to see him. and we've heard donald trump seem to not understand the powers of the speaker of the house. we've heard donald trump at different times in the history of this campaign mock paul ryan as if paul ryan wasn't someone who could completely control donald trump's legislative outcomes were he ever to get to the white house. and so in that incredibly vivid scenario that you reminded us of that moment where richard nixon had to face his real fate, in that scene, richard nixon fully respected and understood those people who had come to say him and explain this to him. is there anyone that we've seen in this campaign? that could have that kind of moment with donald trump? >> reporter: wow, that's a great question. all those things you listed, all those officeholders and names, some of that if not all of that has been just fine with donald trump's core base of support around this country. they have been loyal and vehement. and the outsider appeal, people like you and like me talk about the corollary. that is you don't pick a commercial airline pilot by going up to someone in the airport and saming are you an outsid outsider? -- and asking are you an outsider? if there is a wisened type, a gray beard in the gop, there are plenty. there are employment of states men and women still around who proudly wear the republican label. any just coun-- i just don't kn who that soul is even the subcommittee that would make a visit to try to stabilize, to talk some sense into them. i don't know. >> brian williams, thank you very much for joining us, appreciate it. >> thanks. we'll be right back. card, you only earn double miles when you buy stuff from that rline. wait...is this where you typically shop? 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>> as it stands, yes. his apologyia wasn't enough because it wasn't an apologia. it was something like jimmy stewart said by accident. this is a full portrait. a long conversation about talking about trying to seduce a married woman when he himself was just married. he talks about a woman in a physical sense the way he's used his celebrity. and as it was said, not just abusive but probably a criminal manner if you get into the actual aspect of sexual abuse and assault, as pointed out. i don't see how he can outlive there video -- i'm always open to the future. supposed's going to be one -- sunday's going to be one of the great moments in american political history, not necessarily for the good. we'll see what the guy does. his character's on display. it's not what he did 11 years ago, it's not what he set entirely, it's how he deals with it now. the way he's dealing with it now is not sufficient to erase what we see shot tape. >> mild maennered mike lee and anyone who spent time in utah knows that mild mannered describes many people in utah. mild mannered mike lee was angry in that facebook video. >> fired up. >> you could see him getting angry as he was hearing himself say what he had to say about donald trump. >> i spent time with lee on the campaign trail. he was -- never endorsed donald trump. he's ted cruz's best buddy in the senate. when you pull back and look from the 30,000-foot view, the character story it fascinating. mike lee never backed donald trump, was one of the holdouts like, for example, john john kasich. he was put on the scotus list, of potential picks donald trump put out as an olive branch to get ted cruz's endorsement who, by the way, must be go had i not -- why did i not wait two more weeks and one day. this whole thing. then the utah factor. what we're seeing from the governor, mike lee, around chaffetz. the wisconsin factor. reince priebus in 2002 started the festival that tomorrow mike pence will go to along with paul ryan and ron johnson. but now not donald trump because of this. there's reporting that rye at called trump to disinvite him. i've been total that's not the case, that the two did not speak tonight. but it is to -- to watch what's happened to the republican party, this is a significant moment. it's not oversedating it. i don't know that it's the death knell. i've gotten text was folks saying he's over, he's dead, this is it, 100%. i've also gotten calls saying, you know, how many times have i -- have we seen something like this before and trump has gotten through. it regardless, what has t has done to the gop and what's doing to the gop and -- i agree with chris, the debate, you thought two weeks ago was a big deal? goodness. >> it is -- the most difficult thing to imagine or predict right now is what happens sunday night. anybody who thinks they had a handle on that prior to today no longer does. we'll be right back. ♪ what? is he gone?? finally, i thought he'd never leave. tv character: why are you texting my man at 2 a.m.? no... if you want meone to leave you alone, you pretd like you're sleeping. it's what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. it's what you do. tv character: tang selfies the kitchen does not make u a model. heythere'a mo enjoyable lady! way to get yfiber. try ese decious phillips' fiber good gummies, a good srce of fiber to help support regularity. mmmm. these are great. work here is ne. phillips'. the tasty side of fiber. we're back with our live breaking news coverage of the crisis in the trump campaign tonight. we're joined now, rejoined by jonathan allen, political journalist, and biographer of hillary clinton. we're all sitting here trying to imagine sunday night at this debate. hillary clinton gets to watch this news continue to break over the course of the weekend. she gets to watch more angry statements by republicans on saturday to and about donald trump. and she goes into that debate sunday night. what would you expect from hillary clinton on that stage sunday night? >> lawrence, first of all, we'll get to watch "saturday night live" on nbc -- >> yes. >> about 22 hours from now. i hope everybody's up up and watching that. in terms of the debate, her team has been preparing for donald trump to throw every possible attack at her. you name the woman that bill clinton has been linked to, when fairly or unfairly, and that has been tossed at her in 2008 prep. i don't think she's going to be unready. i think she'll use that to pivot back to policy. there's no reason for her to get donald trump off the hook by getting in the trerchs with him. inthink -- i think they know what they're doing. we saw her handle donald trump pretty firmly in the firstdrate. i don't anticipate that she'll have any trouble in the second debate. >> would your expectation be that hillary clinton goes in relying on the moderators to bring this up, or questions from the audience to bring it up. and let donald trump sync himself in his interests that she doesn't need to jump on this? >> there's an old reporter rule which is if you let your source talk long enough, they'll hang themselves. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and i think we saw that in the first debate. yeah, i think her strategy will be let the moderators bring it up. if trump wants to fire at her about bill clinton, she'll have one line to come back with on that. and try to get out and pivot back to policy. >> thank you very much for joining us tonight. and thank you very much for reminding us about what kind of panic is going on in this building right now with the "saturday night live" writing staff trying to come up with something for tomorrow. we'll try to get a camera live in the "snl" writing room upstairs. thank you very much. appreciate it. we'll be right back. ♪ using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the framework... wire... and plants needed to give my shop... a face... no one will forget. see what the power of points can do for your business. learn more at chase.com/k ♪alarm clock beeping] see what the power of points can do for your business. ♪ the highly advanced audi a4. ♪ ♪ ain't got time to make no apologies... ♪ although just 4 foot 8, simone that why she trusts de ps.er. she knows sml can be powerful. tide. number one rated. wheyou wantve somto protect it.e, at legalzoom, our network of attorneys can help you every step of the way. with an estate plan including wills or a living trust that grows along with you and your family. legalzoom. legal help is here. their compitors' rat alongsidtheir direct rate to save you money. but wh's really going on? when played backwards at 1/8 speed you can clearly hear... what could that mean? woman: tom? tom! they're just commercials. or are they? you're waking the neighbors. well, mom, maybe the neighbors need to be woke. i think it's actually "awoken." no, that doesn't even seem right. no, it's "awoken." revealing the truth to help you save. we're back to our live breaking news coverage of the trump crisis in the campaign. liz smith, we were talking to jonathan allen about how does hillary clinton handle this. you've worked in the democratic campaigns. and i mean, isn't it just go out in the debate stage and watch it happen? >> yeah. i do think that is how it happens. and i love john, and john's brilliant. he's a hillary clinton expert. where i disagree with him is i think if donald trump raises bill clinton's past infidelities that hillary clinton will use it as a moment to show her humanity, to show her vulnerability, and to talk about the personal pain it caused her. she's not the only person, woman in america who's gone through that. some of her best moments, when in 2008 or 2012, have been when she's let down her guard and shown that she is a vulnerable person and that she is -- she's gone through humbling experiences. i think she'll probably take a different tax there. >> elise, what we've seen certainly on the basis of one debate including the primary debates is the clinton debate prep system works. whatever she has working with her as well as her own ideas about what to do because as you know, you can do all the debate prep in the world. you'll never use the exact language that lands on your candidate. and the candidate on her feet, sitting down in the town hall forum has to make the decision of exactly how to respond, what tone, what amount, what -- what facts do i use here and now. they've -- they've just been great at this. they have plenty of time. they've got all day, all day sunday to map out exactly what they want to do with this. >> what they've done the basis of the work because she's been consistently so well prepared that the beauty of going into the second debate is if you did it right for the first debate, it's really so much easier and so over the past two weeks, it hasn been what it was going into the first debate. donald trump never did that legwork. he needed to do some. what i've heard from undecided voters is his lack of seriousness hurt him. the bar was so low, that if he could have come in with a teeny bit of knowledge it would have been enough to have helped him in an exponential way. hillary clinton, though, has been practicing attacks from donald trump. they will hone and refine it, but she has her play its back. >> let's talk about during the storm coverage they were doing a little town hall thing in new hampshire. and howie carr, local boston radio talk show host, the biggest fan boy of donald trump in new england he was the moderate rariator and offering . and donald trump cooperate keep his concentration in that no-pressure forum. >> that was an interesting optical moment that i think we were covering -- there was hurricane matthew and going up coastline. but you watched that. we were told by sources in and around the campaign that was for donald trump to develop muscle memory, to get back to the town hall setting and remember what it was like. he's never done a town hall debate, and he hasn't done an actual town hall campaign event in months. it was get back in the swing a little bit. the prep has changed since the first debate. he has a smaller group of advisers now working with him. chris christie is honchoing that. reince priebus is involved. both were with him when the story broke at 4:00 in the afternoon doing this prep session. everybody is aware of what the mistakes were on sunday. there was talk during the debate of what were -- was the word gracious trump that we were seeing or the other trurchl. there is also a -- trump there is also a question mark, what is clear, what donald trump said at 12:01 was i'm going after bill clinton. >> yeah. >> watch me sunday go after -- >> yeah. >> we don't need to guess. >> he made a point -- >> it's going to be kamikaze trump. >> he's going to try to take her out, and it is not going to be pretty. >> each at the town hall, it was awkward because, you know, you're supposed to be interacting with people, putting yourself in their shoes. and -- and every answer of his, it -- again, it was like he got distracted but somehow brought it back to self-egrandizing moment for himself. they were saying this would be a great format for him. if that was any indication, i do not know -- >> we'll be right back. mom, i have to tell you something. dad, one second i was driving and then the next... they just didn't stop and then... i'm really sorry. i wrecked the subaru. i wrecked it. you're ok. that's all that matters. 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>> i think everyone's overestimating how much impact that is going to have. i think that people are pulling away, but there haven't been -- there weren't enough immediate objections -- >> immediate on republican provi -- professional republicans? >> yes, i just -- i don't see that many people unendorsing. i think there will be some. i think there's going to be a trickle. people in tough races. i think that people will trial to keep the status quo, keep everything calm. >> what if it gets worse supposed, what if he does something worse sunday night? >> i doubt he does anything that is so much worse sunday. it will be another subpar performance. if he gets really nasty with hillary clinton which i think is completely possible. if he gets sexual on sage about allegations with bill clinton, if he has the performance on stage like he about can marco rubio and the agnat me to, things will go down. and i'm curious how evangelicals at churches in his strongest bases of support are going tographile with this -- to grapple with this. >> we'll be right back. korean bbq shrimp. new parmesan peppercorn shrimp. flavors li just come in before it ends. clean better than a manual... electric toothbrush was going to he said sure, but don't just get any one. tographile with this -- to we're back with our live team coverage of the crisis in the trump campaign. we're join wanted by chris matthews in washington, elise jordan, liz smith, and hallie jackson here in new york. hallie, you've been talking to trump supporters all year of different stripes. what are -- where do you expect there to be any cracks in trump supporters, if any -- you're nodding your head before i finish the question. >> here's the thing. so if you're at these -- it's funny because we talk about october surprises, and there's this one. it was a week ago that "the new york times" bombshell report came out. that feels like a thousand years ago. in being in contact with reporters in swing states, it you want to check in regularly. when the tax issue happened, they didn't care. every controversy, they defend him, people at rallies, supporters. that's something that i think sometimes folks miss in new york and washington because you can get inside a bubble when you go out in the country. these people truly hate hillary clinton. they want donald trump. and it's not because they love donald trump necessarily, some do with a passion that's intense as weaver discovered on the campaign campaign trail. but a lot was driven by jason chaffetz. and another talked about -- saying a trump person saying i -- he was sort of, this person was concerned about the strategy that the trump campaign seemed to be employing, and he said, don't get me wrong, i don't like hillary clinton at all. like i am on -- team trump basically because i don't like hillary clinton. and i think that sometimes that gets missed. i don't expect that trump support ears -- i don't know yet. i haven't -- it's 1:53 in the morning. i don't think they'll change. here's where it matters. i grew up in bucks county, pennsylvania. that is where it matters, in the suburban parts of philadelphia with swing state voters. >> liz, does this move the undecideds off the fence? >> i do. i agree with chris, we are going to be seeing this video for a long time. and this video will be played much more than that apology video. it doesn't get better than where you see it. it gets even worse. so i do think that -- that can have that effect. >> if you want to play the apology video, it's only six words. the other 242, you can ignore. >> throw in the trash. hallie made an important point talking about the issues that we as media have been obsessed over. huge stories that are happening that have really minimal impact with voters. the tax story in particular. that trump's losses were 2% of all losses in one year. that doesn't matter to voters. but women do care about, undecided women, care about the harmts. >> the last word to chris matthews. chris? >> i think we'll know when i'm not right and the others are wrong, whatever. i think that women who run for office run as women because it is a breakthrough, a glass ceiling issue. you've got to justifi, it seems, we need women. and women run and they make the case. how does a woman run for office like barbara comstock, i'm look could at these women who are republicans and have to run as a republican woman. what is that? 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