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BBCNEWS The Travel Show February 26, 2022 05:55:00

You just cant sell this nationalist idea, even through the most powerful propaganda machine, even through putins propaganda machine. it wouldnt work. leonid volkov, we have to end there. but i thank you very much indeed forjoining me from california. thank you. well, we have some pretty good weather on the way for this weekend. lots of sunshine across england and wales. a little bit more cloud for scotland and northern ireland but, on the whole, it is still going to be a dry one. so, lets have a...
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BBCNEWS The Travel Show February 26, 2022 05:34:00

Hes evil but rational. he is... our model, our perceptions of putin was always that hes trying to make rational steps, like, to maximise his income, his ability to steal money. but... yeah, well, you talk of rationality. im just wondering whether your feelings about putin are altogether rational, because i was very struck by something you tweeted just a short time ago. you described him — putin, that is — as like hitler with a nuclear bomb. now, hitler to russians is the murderer of millions...
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BBCNEWS HARDtalk February 25, 2022 00:33:00

I dont want, of course, to blame anyone but him. he has the full responsibility over the war crime that he is now committing, being streamed online. but still, of course, i try to reflect and to find answers, like, "what went wrong? "how is it possible that we have been so wrong?" because, like, there are 23 years of putin analysis behind us, and we were all thinking hes evil but rational. he is... our model, our perceptions of putin was always that hes trying to make rational steps, like, to ma...
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BBCNEWS HARDtalk February 25, 2022 00:51:00

Are you sure russia is as vulnerable as you claim it is? well, thats the only leverage the west now has on russia. well, i dont pretend and i dont expect that, like, nato would start a war with russia. not going to happen, right? so, the only, like, "peaceful" leverage the west still has is going after putins money and trying to use it. so, this is something that, at least, is worth trying, because everything else we know already. all those diplomatic efforts of this, like, you know, shuttle dip...
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BBCNEWS HARDtalk February 25, 2022 00:52:00

Activities on the internet. do you fear that, again, the west has underestimated putins ability to exert power through digital means? yes, the west has underestimated the risks here in the cyberspace, and indeed we dont see any solid response and any strategy of response. ok, so putin is bombing ukrainian cities right now, and we dont see any disruptions in communications only in those of the ukrainians. so, like, presumably many nato countries should have developed also, like, a cyber unit that...
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BBCNEWS The Travel Show February 26, 2022 05:53:00

Ukrainian cities right now, and we dont see any disruptions in communications of russian ministry of defence. only in those of the ukrainians. so, like, presumably many nato countries should have developed also, like, a cyber unit that should be capable of operating in the cyberspace to deter attacks like this. but this is so far not happening, and thats quite disappointing. leonid volkov, i have to ask you this. do you believe that vladimir putin has just taken the biggest political gamble of h...
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BBCNEWS HARDtalk February 25, 2022 00:50:00

And if you would have... if you would have done it, like, a couple of years ago, the war would not be happening today, thats first. and second, yes, now the influence of putins money in the west is so large that getting rid of it and exercising it as leverage would be painful. and, well, undersimilar conditions, a great leader of your country said, "i can promise nothing but pain and blood and tears," and i dont recall... right... so, even if there now is an acceptance in the west that they need...
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BBCNEWS HARDtalk February 25, 2022 00:45:00

Independent media in russia. thats all gone. so, putin may... putin was able to divert the agenda completely, so something that was, like, very important and very painfulfor him... right, but... ..four months ago is not any more existent on the agenda. yeah, but it didnt take the invasion of ukraine to make it pretty obvious to me and many others that, as long as vladimir putins in power, it seems highly unlikely that vladimir... that alexei navalny will ever be freed. would you accept that? and...
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BBCNEWS The Travel Show February 26, 2022 05:38:00

People that participate in the street rallies now in russia face severe risks, not because we are doing something wrong, but also because putin is doing something wrong and because putin destroyed all opportunities for people to participate in politics, to participate in rallies and street protests. but is your message to these people in russia that they should take to the streets? i noticed one of your colleagues still inside the country has called later this week for street protests in many ru...
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BBCNEWS The Travel Show February 26, 2022 05:54:00

He — well, i believe — i still believe he miscalculated. he overestimated his ability to be lucky and to get out of any trouble situation without being held responsible for it. so i believe that, actually, as we say in russia, putin is trying to eat a piece of cake thats too large for his mouth. i believe he will actually strangle over this. 0n the other hand, nationalism is an extremely powerful force in russia, and that remains true, does it not? er, its not really so. and it doesnt work a...
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