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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20191214 10:13:00

amway conventioneers in 2009. one of the suites had become a homicide scene. i couldn t believe what i saw. i went in the room and there was the victim hog tied on the floor, and it was a bloody mess. what does it tell you? this was a targeted individual. is it true his eyes were also gouged out? yes. yes. sergeant wilson learned that the victim was ben novack jr., a name that meant nothing to him. the murdered man s wife and stepdaughter had been escorted to a nearby hotel room so investigators could take their statements. the wife of 20 years, narcy, told sergeant wilson that her husband had been up all night working on convention details and didn t go to bed, she thought, until about 6:30 in the morning. she said she had then go downstairs around 7:00 to oversee getting breakfast

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20191214 10:36:00

ben s murder. down there in the fine print of the will, it shows that may, the daughter, may have had her own reasons for wanting ben dead and her mother accused. may abod and her children were the next in line. if somehow narcy was removed from the line of inheritance, the daughter, may abad, would get $10 million through her children? that s correct. with narlsy o . with narcy out of the picture, may would get a flat $150,000 and her two boys the rest of the $10 million estate. narcy began offering her own theory of the crime, may did it. when she realized the finger was being pointed on her, she accused me. of arranging to kill ben. correct. for the money. uh-huh. the mother and daughter finger pointing accusations continued without cease fire, even though they interred ben in

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20191214 10:57:00

front apartment, told bliss he would leave his wife for her. narcy as the story goes learned of the affair and called her saying if i can t have him, no one will. six months later, he was dead, without ever looking at another woman. it was about money and it was about narcy. when defense attorney howard tanner put on his case, he zeroed in on the hitmen s credibility and their motivation to testify. he also attacked their allegation that narcy was in the room during the murder. they themselves stated that they would do anything to help themselves. in my book, they would have been willing to lie. is narcy involved? absolutely not. how about the disturbing direction she allegedly gives them to gouge his eyes out. it didn t happen. narcy s daughter may could coo have somehow be involved in the murder so she and her sons could inherit the attack. may had narcy in her way, if

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20191214 10:27:00

kinky escort girl to tie him up? narcy scoffed at the idea and told the detectives to tone it down. i want you have compassion, please. have mercy. if there is an electrical chair and i m a suspect, give it to me right now. put me out of my misery. i want to die. shortly after 9:00 p.m., detective carpenteer brought up the idea of a lie detector test. i take a hundred lie deck te tors, i do whatever you want me to to. at this point i m hoping i am completely wrong. if she takes the polygraph test and she passes, then i m just going crazy in my own held. there s no way she did this. may also agreed to be polygraphed but then narcy got cold feet about taking hers. and the daughter is saying to her mother, what is wrong with you? why don t you just take the lie detector test? what s the problem? the mother finally agreed to the polygraph. may would pass her test but how did the lie detector test go for narcy? it didn t go well.

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20191214 10:53:00

but why kill ben s 87-year-old mother? because in ben s will, in place at the time, if he died first, his mother, not his wife narcy would be the primary beneficiary but with bernice s death there was nothing standing in narcy s death. if they never killed her, they probably would have never been caught. they learned that still a third murder might still be in the work, someone else provided for in the will, narcy s daughter. when we sat down with alejandro and we learned that there was a hit out on me, that became concerning. a battered photo of may was found in garcia s, the confessed hitman s wallet. he was told she would be the next job. may 3, she needed to move apartments asap and told federal

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