avenue. that was the specific question. did you meet with the president about this? or other people at the white house? she did. that s what that meeting was about, we now know. she had taken those meetings. she had had those conversations, including with the president personally. but that s not what emily murphy said when she was asked about it specifically under oath. she insisted throughout her testimony it was just the fbi who had directed her office to make any and all changes to the plan for fbi headquarters. now, we do seem to have what essentially looks like a smoking gun in terms of what happened well, a, the fact that meeting happened. also now what happened at that meeting. and what the president asked for at that meeting. the reason we ve got the smoking gun now is because as of today, we ve got the actual e-mails that were sent by her agency and her staff accounting for what happened at that meeting and what was said at that meeting, and putting the decisions made at t