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could afford to ease up a little bit, right? and they might have done that if the fund-raiser were just for them but they're not just running clinton for president and kaine for vice president. they don't want to just win the white house. they want democrats to win governorships and control of congress or to get as close as they can. they obviously want democrats to get control of the senate. for the clinton/kaine campaign, it is pedal to the metal from now till the end. 41 fund-raisers from now until november 3rd. he had five today alone. he squeezed me in between them. that's on the democratic side. on the republican side, it's nothing like that at all. mateo gold at "the washington post" reports tonight that the comparable fund-raiser effort on the republican side is already over. in fact, it ended last wednesday. "the washington post" reports
tonight that donald trump did his last big dollar joint fund-raiser for his campaign in the republican national committee last wednesday and he's not going to do any more. there are no further events planned. quote, we have kind of wound down. from here on out, quote, there is virtually nothing planned. it's hard for me to overstate how strange that is two weeks ahead of the election. the republican nominee is on track to lose the presidential election largely because of the magnitude of his expected loss, republicans are also on track to lose control of the united states senate. election forecasts right now for the senate project a 2-1 chance that democrats will take control of that body. but the reaction of the republican nominee, the reaction of the whole republican presidential campaign is basically to sign off two weeks out. here's tim kaine doing five fund-raisers today. republican presidential nominee
donald trump stopped doing fund-raisers for the political party on wednesday. hess saying to the party i'm losing this part of the race, you look like you're losing your part, too. you're on your own. lots oluck. this is a remarkable tactical decision. is this a decision or did they just peter out? the trump campaign at this point is like a stage actor who shows is up for the curtain call. just shows up for the applause and wants to be told he did a good job, but he didn't actually participate in the performance let alone do all the preparation work that goes into doing a good job at that performance. what's that campaign now? their candidate is going to places where he gets applause, he definitely still does rallies and stuff. he appears to enjoy that. but what are the rallies for at this point? remarkable piece of reporting from the top political reporter at the arizona republic tonight who is describing what's going on in the key state of arizona.
he says the clinton/kaine campaign has 32 fully operational political offices in arizona, 161 staffers working full time to win arizona for clinton and the democrats. what's that competing with on the republican side? donald trump doing rallies. but what are those rallies for other than giving donald trump the experience of people voting for him according to david nowicki, the trump campaign has been passing around sign up tallies. but they don't bother to collect the sheets. they leave them there, nobody picks them up, let alone do anything with them. next door in nevada which is to be a swing state although it's turning increasingly blue.
10,000 bumper stickers, and i don't even get a call back. >> that's a swing county in a swing state. republican party chairman there saying two weeks out from the election he had the phone number memorized. we bleeped it there so you don't all call it. but he's got the phone number memorized. he calls the trump campaign every day begging for yard signs and bumper stickers and didn't even get a callback. what are they doing that's more important than trying to compete in swing counties in swing states with county chairman that need specific help? what's the trump campaign coulding if they're not doing that? what is the trump campaign, is it just a traveling road show for donald trump to appear at events in front of crows that like him because that makes him feel good. whatever the trump campaign is now and whatever they're planning on doing for the last two weeks, it is unusual. "the washington post" again
reported tonight that trump campaign has effectively cut off the republican party and stopped even trying to help other down-ballot republicans save themselves. and politico.com was the first to report tonight that the republican party in response is hitting the panic button. the panic button is apparently labeled dark money and they punched it big time tonight. according to politico.com this evening mitch mcconnell's senate super pac in conjunction with karl rove -- remember him -- mitch mcconnell and karl rove have somehow instantly conjured out of the dark money wilderness a whopping pile of $25 million million which they just announced tonight they'll start shoveling into six contested senate races. they're announcing that tonight. the fastest they can start spending that money is tomorrow. that means they've got $25 million to spend on senate races over 13 days.
if they also spend on election day itself. that is a phenomenal last-minute money dump. and who knows where that money came from? incredibly while they've decided to do that through the mitch mcconnell super pac, the nominee decided he'll coast to the finish. no more republican party fund-raisers, helping nobody, where can i go to find somebody to tell me that they love me. he does remain on the top of the ticket. he continues to be the republican party's problem and he continues to be the presidential nominee of a major political party. as such he continues to be subject to scrutiny, subject to the kind of full body mri, the kind of full body background check that the national media does on everybody who runs for president. and we have something new to
report tonight. the ongoing reporting on donald trump's background tonight has turned up something new and something dramatic and something very, very, very inflammatory that we have got here exclusively next.
available. one crucial part of the investigation in that case was an equally qualified white new yorkers would show up at the trump company and they would inquire about those same apartments, magically, the suit alleged the apartment would be back on the market and available for the white applicant even though the black applicant had just been told that that apartment was gone. that doj lawsuit against the trump company was ultimately settled when the trump company signed on the a consent decree where they would desegregate their properties, start renting to black people. that's one of the allegations against the trump corporation for racial discrimination, over the course of this presidential campaign it has become a hot point of contention. hillary clinton raised it in
first presidential debate. trump said that the consent agreement reflected no admission of wrongdoing, then after he used that as a rebuttal, newspapers and news outlets have looked into those allegations to the way that suit was settled to the other suits that were brought against trump real estate properties. today alone the las vegas sun published an account from a woman who now lives in nevada who says she was one of the white people who was sent in as a tester at trump properties after a black applicant would allegedly be told that an apartment was not available, she'd show up as a white applicant with basically the same qualifications and she'd be offered the apartment. that story today in the las vegas sun. the woman recounting her own experience in being involved in the lawsuits. mother jones had another story tonight on additional discrimination lawsuits brought against the trump organization not in the 1970s, but in the 1980s.
i can now tell you that nbc news has been working on a report on the way the trump company allegedly discriminated against black people in rental housing. in the course of the investigation they've turned up what we have exclusively tonight, a troubling eyewitness account from a man who worked as a rental agent at a trump property. he says it was basically his job to do the discriminating. he says he was instructed directly to slow walk or outright reject potential tenants if they were black because they were black. but listen to this. listen to what he told nbc news when he was asked exactly how that instruction came to him and who was in the room while it happened. >> just take me back into that room. so you were sitting in the room and he was there. describe the scene to me. >> a black lady completed an application for an apartment in the building, a one-bedroom apartment, as i recall.
and it was a very professionally application, it was checked and verified, there were no liens, no judgments against her. and she was calling me on a daily basis wanting to know the status of her application. one day mr. trump and his son donald came into the office, and i asked fred trump what i should do with this application because she's calling me constantly. and his response to me was you know i don't rent to the n-word. put the application in the deck and forget about it. >> so fred trump used the n-word antold you we don't rent to people like that. >> that is correct, yes. >> what was your response? >> i was employed by them. i did what he said. >> so this is the raw tape of an
nbc producer in that diner right, noisy diner, interviewing this rental agent who worked at a trump property and in the course of explaining basically how he says racial discrimination worked at the trump organization back in the day when they were deciding who to rent to, he just mentions that young donald trump was standing there alongside his father when he says, the father instructed this rental agent not to rent to anybody who was black and he says, when donald trump's father explained that his policy was not to rent to anybody who was black, what he actually used was the n-word to explain that policy while donald trump stood right next to him. obviously, given that donald trump is now running for president, that's a very
inflammatory allegation. the producer goes back to the rental agent to clarify that this is exactly what he's talking about. do we mean you to say that donald trump, the man running for president, was there when that happened, when that language was used? >> he said put it in the drawer, forget about it. you know i do not rent to the n-word people. and that's what i did. >> and donald trump was right there? >> donald trump was right alongside his father when i was instructed to do that, yes. >> so this is obviously a very explosive allegation about donald trump and his time working with his father at the trump organization in the 1960s when he would have been a very young man, also in the 1970s. just to be 100%, 1,000% totally clear, the producer goes back to the rental agent, asked him again, are you sure that donald trump witnessed his father explain this was discriminatory policy, would not rent to black people but used the n-word to explain that. are you sure.
>> when his father told you not to rent apartments to people of color, what was donald's response? >> and he shook his head, that's the way it's supposed to be. agreeing with his father. >> again, this is exclusive content. this has never been broadcast before. this is material obtained by nbc news just over the course of reporting this story within the last few weeks. what this rental agent says is a very specific, explosive allegation against donald trump personally, in terms of what he witnessed and went along with and signaled his ascent to as a young man working in his father's organization. now, the trump campaign has responded to that specific allegations tonight. they gave us this response on the record. quote, that is total nonsense. that's their formal response
from the campaign to these allegations. but i want to show you also -- so you understand where that reporting came from, here is how nbc news is contextualizing this allegation. here's how they're folding it into their overall story about discrimination by the trump organization at the very start of donald trump's real estate career. >> it was 1963 in new york city and maxine brown was looking for a place to live in queens. she applied for an apartment owned by donald trump's father. >> they asked what kind of job i had and they were surprised to hear i was a nurse. >> but she wasn't welcome. >> i was turned because because of my color. >> stanley leibovitz was the agent that took maxine's application. >> fred trump came into my office with his son donald at his side. i asked him what should i do
with the application of miss brown. he told me take the application and put it in the desk drawer as he does not rent to people of color utilizing the n-word and donald trump shook his head agreeing with his father. >> by 1967 state investigators found that out of some 3700 apartments in trump village only seven were occupied by african-american families. by 1973 donald trump was the president of trump management. and she was a teacher looking for a place to live. she went to a difficult trump building also in betweens. >> i was black. i don't think it looked good in their estimation to have black people living in their facility. >> she says there is no doubt in her mind that donald trump continued the practices of his
father. dependent of justice alleged an employee was told to write applications from african-americans with the letter "c" for coloreds. >> he said there were no apartments, that was not true. >> she wouldn't have spoken up had donald trump not brushed off the company's bad behavior. >> it's important that history not be erased. >> donald started his career back in 1973 being sued by the justice department for racial discrimination. >> annette was part of that lawsuit. >> we, along with many, many other companies throughout the country, there's a federal lawsuit, were sued. we settled the suit with zero, with no admission of guilt. it was very easy to do. >> court records show it actually wasn't so easy to do. three years after the settlement, the department of justice went back to court saying trump was not complying with the settlement agreement. four years after that, the trump organization was again taken to court and the class action lawsuit alleging a pattern of discrimination.
some 20 years after maxine brown was turned away. the trump organization and several other landlords settled the class action in 1984. sheila norris was one of the white testers sent in to a trump building the day after a black applicant was told no apartments were available. >> when i got there, oh, the superintendent greeted me with open arms. oh, yes, come, i'll show you the apartment. >> morse was offered a two-bedroom apartment. annette has kept her documentation from that complaint all those years ago although she says she hasn't looked at it in years. >> it feels like the time has come to tell the story. when donald trump says that, you know, they did not admit guilt, that may be true, but the fact that there was guilt had to come out. >> reporting by nbc news investigative reporter cynthia mcfadden. the trump campaign has made a formal response to nbc news on
this story. hope hicks says, quote, there's absolutely no merit to the allegations. the suit was brought as a part of a nationwide inquiry against a number of companies and the matter was ultimately settled without any finding of and without any admission of wrongdoing whatsoever. it is not true this lawsuit was brought against a ton of companies nationwide. the first one in particular was specific to the trump organization, but they're sticking with that response anyway. now, in response to the very specific allegation by stanley leibovitz, that rental agent who worked with the trump organization at the time and who says explosively that donald trump stood alongside his father and nodded approvingly when his father used the n-word to describe who they do not rent to, the campaign tells us that that is, quote, nonsense.
they're not offering a substantive rebuttal against the allegation. they're just giving us that response. nonsense. we're 14 days out. vice presidential candidate tim kaine is here tonight for the interview.
>> my interview with tim kaine is next.
mr. mysteriouso. the cryptic spy versus spy version of tim kaine. what did this mean? >> i don't think there's any doubt about is she going to be up on the substance. she is up on the substance. but the demean matters as well. >> have you spoken to her about the debate. >> we have chatted about it. i say chat generally because i'm trying not to reveal all the means by which we communicate. but we've done it a couple of times. she's are excited about it. >> i'm trying not to reveal all the means by which we communicate? what does that mean? tonight he explains. and it turns out it's exactly as spy versus spy mr. mysteriouso as you might thing it is. joining us for the interview, i'm very pleased to say, is the democratic nominee for vice president, virginia senator tim kaine. senator kaine, thank you so much for being here. we've never met in person. >> i've been on with you on remote, but glad to be on set. >> the last time you were with me on remote you were saying
there was absolutely no chance that you would be chosen for vice president. >> i had been through it eight years before and never thought it would be me. i had the same intuition this time but not intuition is correct. i'm thrilled to be on the ticket with hillary. >> you have been a missionary in honduras, a city rights attorney, a governor, a senator, have you ever had a female boss? >> that's a great question. when i was a practicing lawyer, i had cases where the main lawyer was a woman. but that's it. i served as two mayors on city council, they were both men. when i was lieutenant governor, my governor was a man. when i was dnc chair i essentially reported to the president. this would be the first time i had a female boss. i hadn't thought of it that way. >> i wonder if it gives you any -- if it gives you any means of reflecting on not just the historic nature of potential
first woman president but some people's shpilkes about that, whether or not people are able to voice it as a criticism that it's an unusual thing. >> it is. but i love it. i'm a civil rights lawyer. i love breaking barriers down and doing new things. our nation does it best when we're doing that. when hillary asked me to serve as her running mate, i just thought of all the strong women who helped me be the -- i've won eight elections. i've had women campaign managers and campaign secretaries and donors and volunteers and voters and i've been able to be the one with my name on the bumper sticker and yard sign. when she asked me, i get to now
play a supportive role. that's what the vice president's main job is to a woman who will make history, to the president who will preside over the celebration of the centennial of women getting the right to vote. the next president will preside over that. as much as you normalize by a woman president, a woman can be anything, my job will maybe that strong men should support strong women in whatever capacity. >> in terms of your relationship with hillary clinton, obviously you knew her before she asked you to be on the ticket. >> yeah. >> you made this cryptic comment where you said i won't comment on the exact means by which we communicate. i was thinking -- >> we're training some carrier pigeons so they can't be hacked. >> do you have to think about that, the ways that you communicate? >> we do. and we're spreading the zone, i'm here, you're this, we cover more ground, but we do communicate a lot and by different means. we knew each other, but we don't know each other as really good friends. i didn't have that kind of relationship with her. in the last two weeks before i was named to the ticket, they
thought maybe we should get to know each other. but it's been great. we're both midwesterners, we grew up in republican small business families. a church was a part of who we were. i get the milieu from which she came and it's similar to mine. >> you mentioned bill clinton and you mentioned strong men supporting strong women. have you given any thought, have you part of any planning in terms of what it's going to be like to have a former president in the white house -- barack obama is staying in d.c. when he's no longer president. bill clinton will presumably be in d.c. as the president's spouse if you and hillary clinton win. and then there's hillary clinton who will be the president. what sort of thinking or planning is going into dealing -- >> we're both superstitious. but we talk about this a little bit. we had a really good conversation about it saturday. but we're not assuming we're winning.
there's a transition team thinking about some of these. actually if you look at it, hillary will make history, president clinton will make history as the first man, first spouse, but also as a president as first spouse. i'll make the least history of the four. but to be a vice president to a woman president and with bill clinton in the white house and my wife -- is my wife second lady if there's no first lady? so there's no complete playbook for this? but that's cool, too. there's traditions that you honor. but it's also something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue. you have to make your own traditions. the ability to create the model a little bit is exciting. >> in terms of the division of labor and career interests in your own family, i know you described yourself as a feminist. >> absolutely. >> you talk about these things in feminist terms but your wife was secretary of education in virginia when you were named to the ticket she gave up that job. >> yeah. >> she's supporting you full-time. presumably if you're elected she'll move into whatever we'll call that job.
how hard was that for you to navigate? do you have any regret about that? >> i do. if you had ann here, she'd answer it differently. so i think my wife has given up a lot to support me. she was a juvenile court judge and really loving her job when i got elected governor. she could have continued in that role. she wasn't required to step down. but she decided there are things i can't do on the bench that i think i can do as first lady. she helped reform the virginia foster care system. i view that as a sacrifice her giving up that job. she said it was an opportunity for me to take my judicial experience and now do a big legal reform. i think she feels the same way. as secretary of education, she has been a real passionate advocate for the profession of teaching. and that has been a central focus of hers. the head of the department of education has to be responsive to teachers and a million other constituencies, but that's an
umpire's job. but she can advocate for school boards, teachers, ptas, i can carry on the good work that jill biden and michelle obama has done around military families. so i felt sad for her when she said, i think i need to step down, but she said, i just want to make sure that hillary clinton's president, i don't want to be worried about if i have enough vacation days to go on the trail for her, i want to go campaign for her. >> senator tim kaine talking to me about what it's like to work for and with hillary clinton and what it means for him as a feminist and a politician to be in that role. strong men can support strong women. also clarifying that he and hillary clinton do communicate by secret means in order to keep their conversations safe from prying eyes and hostile hackers. i don't think he meant it in terms of carrier pigeons, but that is what he said. also saying when he was with secretary clinton this past saturday one of the things the two of them had a good
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utah this year. it would be an astonishing statement to win it, right? but is it a good idea to spend resources to make that statement. if things are going well that you're also going to win utah, it's not going to be close. should they just spend what and where they need to to get to 270, then dump everything else they've got into trying to win other races, in the senate, the congress, the states? it's not a theoretical question anymore as it turns out and not an easy one for the campaign to answer. and that is next with democratic vice presidential candidate tim kaine.
the downfield presidential race. clinton may be in a good place but i don't think the party is in a good place yet. i asked senator tim kaine about that tonight. watch. let me ask you about some of the political decisions, the hard political decisions that you and the democrats are making right now. >> yeah. >> it's been -- as a spectator sport it has been fascinating to watch you go to utah. you've got this op-ed in the deseret news right now. we've got polls in texas, there's a small ad buy that you just did in texas. as a spectator it is fascinating to see you guys playing on that side of the ideological number line in our country. at the same time, though, it feels like there's a real opportunity cost right now in terms of money, these last two weeks, it would be hilarious if
you won utah. wouldn't it be better to spend that money trying to elect a few more members of the the house from indiana or anywhere else in the country where you can build up your majority in congress? >> yeah, this is the four-dimensional chess that we're playing. it's all based on analytics. do you go for some extra electoral votes or take that money and try to build a bigger margin for a senator. my feeling, having been dnc chair, too, in a presidential year, almost the best thing, almost always to increase your success in congressional races is just to do really well in the presidential election. >> sometimes true, like '96, that wasn't necessarily true. republicans held on very well in congress even though when bill clinton beat bob dole badly. >> beat him badly. they're counterexamples. but usually the up tick in a presidential year, so it's worth doing as well as you can on the
up ticket. north carolina is an interesting state where the up ticket is not only helping the down ticket but the down ticket is helping the up ticket because there's such a move among progressives in north carolina that the governor has painted the state against its traditions. we have to win that state and win the governor's race. in each state, we're assessing what can we do, can we win, and the tide goes to if we can win and get colleagues elected too -- >> congressman butterfield from north carolina. >> great friend, great congressman. >> a shrewd tactician. he's being outspoken about this, we know you have to balance things but you're making the wrong call. you're not doing enough for down ticket democrats at the expense of trying to run up the score needlessly in the electoral college. start spending them on the regional tickets.
>> was in north carolina last thursday did a good rally together. and he made that point to me. we're looking at where opportunities are. my example would be the state of georgia. georgia is a state with a significant minority population. polls are close. if we can get over in georgia, this would create something positive long-term that would be great for the black caucus, great for democratic future because that's one of the ten largest states and there's only two in the ten largest that go the other way, texas and georgia. if we can get that back, that would be great. we're not forsaking north carolina. i've been there so often and president obama and michelle obama and hillary and president clinton were all there a lot. when he makes the case, you have to listen because he's very good at this. so all of this, we're factoring in, so i haven't, i wrote an oped for the desert news, but i haven't been to utah yet.
did a campaign event in air and a couple in texas, but i'm real yeah in a few others. >> you guys feel like you're effectively straddling it. >> you make choices on the fly. we want a congress that we can work with to get some things done. >> tim kaine tonight on the hard choices democrats are making now. they're basically trying to max out the presidential win in as many states as possible while also doing the max for democratic congressional races senate races and all the others. the cacophony around the way they make those decisions is going to get louder and louder over the next 13 days. just watch. more ahead, stay with us.
two are elected in november. does there have to be some sort of overture, some sort of welcoming place in the administration for republicans? >> i would hope so. i would hope so, or in policy. look. >> more than just a token cabinet officer? >> i would hope so, and look, i think there's going to have to be a grand gesture on the behalf of the gop to say gop does not equal trump. gop does not equal trump. and if we govern, of course, we have to govern for everybody. so there has to be an effort to reach out the. and hillary are kind of talking about that, again, not presumptuously. we have to win first, but what does that look like? one thing that will help us a little bit, give us a little bit of a head start as i think we're going to get a lot of republican votes. john warner, who is the iconic political figure in virginia gave a full-throated endorsement of hillary. he didn't even mention donald trump's name until the last sentence. he talked about what a great senator hillary clinton was, because he was on the committee with her.
and i think we're going to have a lot of people on the coalition that got her elected. but that begins a little bit of the outreach. you have the burden to govern, you have the burden to govern for everybody. >> no donald trump on the cabinet, though. >> i think that's highly unlikely. >> thank you for the time. i know you're busy of the. >> i'm happy we could do this. >> vice presidential candidate tim kaine. mike pence will be sitting down with brian williams. we've got more from senator kaine on the issue of the supreme court and isis. we've got laugh-out-loud news for you from ohio.
in spite all the good news for democrats in the polls right now, there are some not-so-good signs. like ohio, there was initial enthusiasm. but now it's down. democrats traditionally need to run up the score. compared to last year, early voting in cleveland's cuyahoga county is down by more than half. hillary clinton cannot afford that kind of turn that kind of turnout in that state if she is going to winnow owe. but the democrats have a plan. they have announce add free get out to vote concert by jay z in cleveland next week. free concert. you can pick up your tickets on friday between the hours of 8:00 and 6:00, at this location, directly across the street from the cuyahoga county office of elections. i don't know how ohio is going to pan out in the end, but that
PresidentHillary-clintonVice-presidentBitControlDemocraticKaineFund-raiser-todayWhite-houseCampaignCongressUnited-states-senatebenefiting the most are not high frequency voters. >> that's huge. >> their benefit is needed, i think. >> thanks for joining us tonight. that's "all in" for this evening. make sure to stick around because it's veep night on msnbc. rachel maddow has an exclusive interview with tim kaine and mike pence will join brian williams. >> that is true. almost a little weird, but thank you for the preview. it is, in fact, vice president day here on msnbc. vice president or would be vice president day. chris matthews this afternoon had an interview with our current vice president of the united states, joe biden. joe biden is now into a third day of explaining what he meant when he said he wishes he was in high school and he could take donald trump out behind the gym because he wants to get in a fight with him, basically. donald trump today responded that he, too, would kind of like to go get in a fight with joe
in terms of clinton/kaine, they've already outraised trump 2-1, "the new york times" projection as to who is likely to win puts hillary clinton at a 93% chance of winning the presidential election. you might think just in terms of the fund-raising pace, they could afford to ease up a little bit, right? and they might have done that if the fund-raiser were just for them but they're not just running clinton for president and kaine for vice president. they don't want to just win the white house. they want democrats to win governorships and control of congress or to get as close as they can. they obviously want democrats to get control of the senate. for the clinton/kaine campaign, it is pedal to the metal from now till the end.
41 fund-raisers from now until november 3rd. he had five today alone. he squeezed me in between them. that's on the democratic side. on the republican side, it's nothing like that at all. mateo gold at "the washington post" reports tonight that the comparable fund-raiser effort on the republican side is already over. in fact, it ended last wednesday. "the washington post" reports tonight that donald trump did his last big dollar joint fund-raiser for his campaign in the republican national committee last wednesday and he's not going to do any more. there are no further events planned. quote, we have kind of wound down. from here on out, quote, there is virtually nothing planned. it's hard for me to overstate how strange that is two weeks ahead of the election. the repubcan nominee is on track to lose the presidential election largely because of the magnitude of his expected loss, republicans are also on track to
been passing around sign up tallies. but they don't bother to collect the sheets. they leave them there, nobody picks them up, let alone do anything with them. next door in nevada which is to be a swing state although it's turning increasingly blue. watch this. this is a remarkable exchange between the great chris jansing from nbc and the republican party chairman in the second largest county in nevada. right? clark county includes las vegas, that's the most populated county in the state of nevada. washoe county has reno. this guy is the county chairman from that part of nevada. again, nevada's supposed to be a swing state? his county is supposed to be a swing county. swing counties and swing states are supposed to be, you know, desperately fought over at this point. but watch this from the republican chairman of that county. this is just incredible.
>> the tension i'm talking about interviews with the campaign, yard signs, bumper stickers hats. >> yard signs and bumper stickers. >> correct. >> you called the trump campaign. >> 606-[ bleep ]. >> and you say can you have yard signs? >> you say i am the chairman of a swing county in a swing state. you guys need to talk to me. i need 2,000 yard signs, i need 10,000 bumper stickers, and i don't even get a call back. >> that's a swing county in a swing state. republican party chairman there saying two weeks out from the election he had the phone number memorized. we bleeped it there so you don't all call it. but he's got the phone number memorized. he calls the trump campaign every day begging for yard signs and bumper stickers and didn't even get a callback. what are they doing that's more important than trying to compete in swing counties in swing
states with county chairman that need specific help? what's the trump campaign coulding if they're not doing that? what is the trump campaign, is it just a traveling road show for donald trump to appear at events in front of crows that like him because that makes him feel good. whatever the trump campaign is now and whatever they're planning on doing for the last two weeks, it is unusual. "the washington post" again reported tonight that trump campaign has effectively cut off the republican party and stopped even trying to help other down-ballot republicans save themselves. and politico.com was the first to report tonight that the republican party in response is hitting the panic button. the panic button is apparently labeled dark money and they punched it big time tonight. according to politico.com this evening mitch mcconnell's senate super pac in conjunction with karl rove -- remember him -- mitch mcconnell and karl rove
have somehow instantly conjured out of the dark money wilderness a whopping pile of $25 million million which they just announced tonight they'll start shoveling into six contested senate races. they're announcing that tonight. the fastest they can start spending that money is tomorrow. that means they've got $25 million to spend on senate races over 13 days. if they also spend on election day itself. that is a phenomenal last-minute money dump. and who knows where that money came from? incredibly while they've decided to do that through the mitch mcconnell super pac, the nominee decided he'll coast to the finish. no more republican party fund-raisers, helping nobody, where can i go to find somebody to tell me that they love me.
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federal justice against their real estate firm. that lawsuit by the department of justice claims that the trump management company systematically refused to rent to black people. african-american new yorkers would apply for an advertised vacancy in a trump building and then they would just never hear anything back from their application or be told that the vacancy was listed in error and actually that unit wasn't really available. one crucial part of the investigation in that case was an equally qualified white new yorkers would show up at the trump company and they would inquire about those same apartments, magically, the suit alleged the apartment would be back on the market and available for the white applicant even though the black applicant had just been told that that apartment was gone. that doj lawsuit against the trump company was ultimately settled when the trump company signed on the a consent decree
where they would desegregate their properties, start renting to black people. that's one of the allegations against the trump corporation for racial discrimination, over the course of this presidential campaign it has become a hot point of contention. hillary clinton raised it in first presidential debate. trump said that the consent agreement reflected no admission of wrongdoing, then after he used that as a rebuttal, newspapers and news outlets have looked into those allegations to the way that suit was settled to the other suits that were brought against trump real estate properties. today alone the las vegas sun published an account from a woman who now lives in nevada who says she was one of the white people who was sent in as a tester at trump properties after a black applicant would allegedly be told that an apartment was not available, she'd show up as a white applicant with basically the same qualifications and she'd be offered the apartment. that story today in the las vegas sun. the woman recounting her own
experience in being involved in the lawsuits. mother jones had another story tonight on additional discrimination lawsuits brought against the trump organization not in the 1970s, but in the 1980s. i can now tell you that nbc news has been working on a report on the way the trump company allegedly discriminated against black people in rental housing. in the course of the investigation they've turned up what we have exclusively tonight, a troubling eyewitness account from a man who worked as a rental agent at a trump property. he says it was basically his job to do the discriminating. he says he was instructed directly to slow walk or outright reject potential tenants if they were black because they were black. but listen to this. listen to what he told nbc news when he was asked exactly how that instruction came to him and who was in the room while it
happened. >> just take me back into that room. so you were sitting in the room and he was there. describe the scene to me. >> a black lady completed an application for an apartment in the building, a one-bedroom apartment, as i recall. and it was a very professionally application, it was checked and verified, there were no liens, no judgments against her. and she was calling me on a daily basis wanting to know the status of her application. one day mr. trump and his son donald came into the office, and i asked fred trump what i should do with this application because she's calling me constantly. and his response to me was you know i don't rent to the n-word.
put the application in the deck and forget about it. >> so fred trump used the n-word and told you we don't rent to people like that. >> that is correct, yes. >> what was your response? >> i was employed by them. i did what he said. >> so this is the raw tape of an nbc producer in that diner right, noisy diner, interviewing this rental agent who worked at a trump property and in the course of explaining basically how he says racial discrimination worked at the trump organization back in the day when they were deciding who to rent to, he just mentions that young donald trump was standing there alongside his father when he says, the father instructed this rental agent not to rent to anybody who was black and he says, when donald trump's father explained that his policy was not to rent to anybody who was black, what he actually used
was the n-word to explain that policy while donald trump stood right next to him. obviously, given that donald trump is now running for president, that's a very inflammatory allegation. the producer goes back to the rental agent to clarify that this is exactly what he's talking about. do we mean you to say that donald trump, the man running for president, was there when that happened, when that language was used? >> he said put it in the drawer, forget about it. you know i do not rent to the n-word people. and that's what i did. >> and donald trump was right there? >> donald trump was right alongside his father when i wans instructed to do that, yes. >> so this is obviously a very explosive allegation about donald trump and his time working with his father at the trump organization in the 1960s when he would have been a very
young man, also in the 1970s. just to be 100%, 1,000% totally clear, the producer goes back to the rental agent, asked him again, are you sure that donald trump witnessed his father explain this was discriminatory policy, would not rent to black people but used the n-word to explain that. are you sure. >> when his father told you not to rent apartments to people of color, what was donald's response? >> and he shook his head, that's the way it's supposed to be. agreeing with his father. >> again, this is exclusive content. this has never been broadcast before. this is material obtained by nbc news just over the course of reporting this story within the last few weeks. what this rental agent says is a very specific, explosive allegation against donald trump
personally, in terms of what he witnessed and went along with and signaled his ascent to as a young man working in his father's organization. now, the trump campaign has responded to that specific allegations tonight. they gave us this response on the record. quote, that is total nonsense. that's their formal response from the campaign to these allegations. but i want to show you also -- so you understand where that reporting came from, here is how nbc news is contextualizing this allegation. here's how they're folding it into their overall story about discrimination by the trump organization at the very start of donald trump's real estate career. >> it was 1963 in new york city and maxine broup wwn was lookinr a place to live in queens. she applied for an apartment owned by donald trump's father.
>> they asked what kind of job i had and they were surprised to hear i was a nurse. >> but she wasn't welcome. >> i was turned because because of my color. >> stanley leibovitz was the agent that took maxine's application. >> fred trump came into my office with his son donald at his side. i asked him what should i do with the application of miss brown. he told me take the application and put it in the desk drawer as he does not rent to people of color utilizing the n-word and donald trump shook his head agreeing with his father. >> by 1967 state investigators found that out of some 3700 apartments in trump village only seven were occupied by african-american families. by 1973 donald trump was the president of trump management. and she was a teacher looking
for a place to live. she went to a difficult trump building also in betweens. >> i was black. i don't think it looked good in their estimation to have black people living in their facility. >> she says there is no doubt in her mind that donald trump continued the practices of his father. dependent of justice alleged an employee was told to write applications from african-americans with the letter "c" for coloreds. >> he said there were no apartments, that was not true. >> she wouldn't have spoken up had donald trump not brushed off the company's bad behavior. >> it's important that history not be erased. >> donald started his career back in 1973 being sued by the justice department for racial discrimination. >> annette was part of that lawsuit. >> we, along with many, many other companies throughout the country, there's a federal lawsuit, were sued.
we settled the suit with zero, with no admission of guilt. it was very easy to do. >> court records show it actually wasn't so easy to do. three years after the settlement, the department of justice went back to court saying trump was not complying with the settlement agreement. four years after that, the trump organization was again taken to court and the class action lawsuit alleging a pattern of discrimination. some 20 years after maxine brown was turned away. the trump organization and several other landlords settled the class action in 1984. sheila norris was one of the white testers sent in to a trump building the day after a black applicant was told no apartments were available. >> when i got there, oh, the superintendent greeted me with open arms. oh, yes, come, i'll show you the apartment. >> morse was offered a two-bedroom apartment. annette has kept her documentation from that complaint all those years ago
although she says she hasn't looked at it in years. >> it feels like the time has come to tell the story. when donald trump says that, you know, they did not admit guilt, that may be true, but the fact that there was guilt had to come out. >> reporting by nbc news investigative reporter cynthia mcfadden. the trump campaign has made a formal response to nbc news on this story. hope hicks says, quote, there's absolutely no merit to the allegations. the suit was brought as a part of a nationwide inquiry against a number of companies and the matter was ultimately settled without any finding of and without any admission of wrongdoing whatsoever. it is not true this lawsuit was brought against a ton of companies nationwide. the first one in particular was specific to the trump organization, but they're sticking with that response anyway. now, in response to the very
specific allegation by stanley leibovitz, that rental agent who worked with the trump organization at the time and who says explosively that donald trump stood alongside his father and nodded approvingly when his father used the n-word to describe who they do not rent to, the campaign tells us that that is, quote, nonsense. they're not offering a substantive rebuttal against the allegation. they're just giving us that response. nonsense. we're 14 days out. vice presidential candidate tim kaine is here tonight for the interview.
when i sat down with tim kaine today i think i asked him a question he's never been asked before. you have been a missionary in honduras. you have been a civil rights attorney. you have been a city counselor, a mayor, lieutenant governor, a senator, have you ever had a female boss? >> that's a great question. >> my interview with tim kaine is next.
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last week democratic vice presidential candidate tim kaine was chatting with reporters. they were talking about the upcoming debate, which was last wednesday. and he was saying how well he thought hillary clinton was going to do in that debate, kind of normal stuff, what you would expect. then he unexpectedly turned into mr. mysteriouso. the cryptic spy versus spy version of tim kaine. what did this mean? >> i don't think there's any doubt about is she going to be up on the substance. she is up on the substance. but the demean matters as well. >> have you spoken to her about the debate. >> we have chatted about it. i say chat generally because i'm trying not to reveal all the means by which we communicate. but we've done it a couple of times. she's are excited about it. >> i'm trying not to reveal all the means by which we communicate? what does that mean? tonight he explains.
and it turns out it's exactly as spy versus spy mr. mysteriouso as you might thing it is. joining us for the interview, i'm very pleased to say, is the democratic nominee for vice president, virginia senator tim kaine. senator kaine, thank you so much for being here. we've never met in person. >> i've been on with you on remote, but glad to be on set. >> the last time you were with me on remote you were saying there was absolutely no chance that you would be chosen for vice president. >> i had been through it eight years before and never thought it would be me. i had the same intuition this time but not intuition is correct. i'm thrilled to be on the ticket with hillary. >> you have been a missionary in honduras, a city rights attorney, a governor, a senator, have you ever had a female boss? >> that's a great question. when i was a practicing lawyer,
i had cases where the main lawyer was a woman. but that's it. i served as two mayors on city council, they were both men. when i was lieutenant governor, my governor was a man. when i was dnc chair i essentially reported to the president. this would be the first time i had a female boss. i hadn't thought of it that way. >> i wonder if it gives you any -- if it gives you any means of reflecting on not just the historic nature of potential first woman president but some people's shpilkus about that, whether or not people are able to voice it as a criticism that it's an unusual thing. >> it is. but i love it. i'm a civil rights lawyer. i love breaking barriers down and doing new things. our nation does it best when we're doing that. when hillary asked me to serve as her running mate, i just thought of all the strong women who helped me be the -- i've won eight elections. i've had women campaign managers and campaign secretaries and
donors and volunteers and voters and i've been able to be the one with my name on the bumper sticker and yard sign. when she asked me, i get to now play a supportive role. that's what the vice president's main job is to a woman who will make history, to the president who will preside over the celebration of the centennial of women getting the right to vote. the next president will preside over that. as much as you normalize by a woman president, a woman can be anything, my job will maybe that strong men should support strong women in whatever capacity. >> in terms of your relationship with hillary clinton, obviously you knew her before she asked you to be on the ticket. >> yeah. >> you made this cryptic comment where you said i won't comment on the exact means by which we communicate. i was thinking -- >> we're training some carrier pigeons so they can't be hacked. >> do you have to think about that, the ways that you
communicate? >> we do. and we're spreading the zone, i'm here, you're this, we cover more ground, but we do communicate a lot and by different means. we knew each other, but we don't know each other as really good friends. i didn't have that kind of relationship with her. in the last two weeks before i was named to the ticket, they thought maybe we should get to know each other. but it's been great. we're both midwesterners, we grew up in republican small business families. a church was a part of who we were. i get the milieu from which she came and it's similar to mine. >> you mentioned bill clinton and you mentioned strong men supporting strong women. have you given any thought, have you part of any planning in terms of what it's going to be like to have a former president in the white house -- barack obama is staying in d.c. when he's no longer president.
bill clinton will presumably be in d.c. as the president's spouse if you and hillary clinton win. and then there's hillary clinton who will be the president. what sort of thinking or planning is going into dealing -- >> we're both superstitious. but we talk about this a little bit. we had a really good conversation about it saturday. but we're not ray suming we're winning. there's a transition team thinking about some of these. actually if you look at it, hillary will make history, president clinton will make history as the first man, first spouse, but also as a president as first spouse. i'll make the least history of the four. but to be a vice president to a woman president and with bill clinton in the white house and my wife -- is my wife second lady if there's no first lady? so there's no complete playbook for this? but that's cool, too. there's traditions that you honor. but it's also something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue. you have to make your own traditions. the ability to create the model a little bit is exciting.
>> in terms of the division of labor and career interests in your own family, i know you described yourself as a feminist. >> absolutely. >> you talk about these things in feminist terms but your wife was secretary of education in virginia when you were named to the ticket she gave up that job. >> yeah. >> she's supporting you full-time. presumably if you're elected she'll move into whatever we'll call that job. how hard was that for you to navigate? do you have any regret about that? >> i do. if you had ann here, she'd answer it differently. so i think my wife has given up a lot to support me. she was a juvenile court judge and really loving her job when i got elected governor. she could have continued in that role. she wasn't required to step down. but she decided there are things i can't do on the bench that i think i can do as first lady. she helped reform the virginia foster care system. i view that as a sacrifice her giving up that job. she said it was an opportunity for me to take my judicial
experience and now do a big leel reform. i think she feels the same way. as secretary of education, she has been a real passionate advocate for the profession of teaching. and that has been a central focus of hers. the head of the department of education has to be responsive to teachers and a million other constituenci constituencies, but that's an umpire's job. but she can advocate for school boards, teachers, ptas, i can carry on the good work that jill biden and michelle obama has done around military families. so i felt sad for her when she said, i think i need to step down, but she said, i just want to make sure that hillary clinton's president, i don't want to be worried about if i have enough vacation days to go on the trail for her, i want to go campaign for her. >> senator tim kaine talking to me about what it's like to work for and with hillary clinton and what it means for him as a feminist and a politician to be
in that role. strong men can support strong women. also clarifying that he and hillary clinton do communicate by secret means in order to keep their conversations safe from prying eyes and hostile hackers. i don't think he meant it in terms of carrier pigeons, but that is what he said. also saying when he was with secretary clinton this past saturday one of the things the two of them had a good conversation is what's going to happen with bill in the white house? what is going to happen with bill in the white house? more ahead with vice president contender tim kaine. stay with us. it's not theoretical. saying stop spending in the red states. do you feel it? >> i do. hey look, it's those g
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the best republican showing there in -- sorry, the best democratic showing there in 20 years was still democrats losing by over 20 points in utah. i mean, if utah is now a toss-up, if a democrat might win utah this year, then the one thing i can tell you is that the democrat will not need to win utah this year. it would be an astonishing statement to win it, right? but is it a good idea to spend resources to make that statement. if things are going well that you're also going to win going . should they just spend what and where they need to to get to 270, then dump everything else they've got into trying to win other races, in the senate, the congress, the states? it's not a theoretical question anymore as it turns out and not an easy one for the campaign to answer. and that is next with democratic vice presidential candidate tim kaine. ♪
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a little discord in blueville. earlier this week "the new york times" reported that some members of the congressional black caucus want the clinton/kaine campaign to stop trying to win the presidential race in deep red states because even though those states might be winnable in terms of trump versus clinton, down-ballot races are not as important as the downfield presidential race. clinton may be in a good place but i don't think the party is in a good place yet. i asked senator tim kaine about that tonight. watch. let me ask you about some of the political decisions, the hard political decisions that you and the democrats are making right now. >> yeah. >> it's been -- as a spectator sport it has been fascinating to watch you go to utah. you've got this op-ed in the
deser et news right now. we've got polls in texas, there's a small ad buy that you just did in texas. as a spectator it is fascinating to see you guys playing on that side of the ideological number line in our country. at the same time, though, it feels like there's a real opportunity cost right now in terms of money, these last two weeks, it would be hilarious if you won utah. wouldn't it be better to spend that money trying to elect a few more members of the the house from indiana or anywhere else in the country where you can build up your majority in congress? >> yeah, this is the four-dimensional chess that we're playing. it's all based on analytics. do you go for some extra electoral votes or take that money and try to build a bigger margin for a senator. my feeling, having been dnc chair, too, in a presidential year, almost the best thing, almost always to increase your
success in congressional races is just to do really well in the presidential election. >> sometimes true, like '96, that wasn't necessarily true. republicans held on very well in congress even though when bill clinton beat bob dole badly. >> beat him badly. they're counterexamples. but usually the up tick in a presidential year, so it's worth doing as well as you can on the up ticket. north carolina is an interesting state where the up ticket is not only helping the down ticket but the down ticket is helping the up ticket because there's such a move among progressives in north carolina that the governor has painted the state against its traditions. we have to win that state and win the governor's race. in each state, we're assessing what can we do, can we win, and the tide goes to if we can win and get colleagues elected too -- >> congressman butterfield from north carolina.
>> great friend, great congressman. >> a shrewd tactician. he's being outspoken about this, we know you have to balance things but you're making the wrong call. you're not doing enough for dow ticket. does that critique coming right now, it's not theoretical. he's saying stop spending in the red states, start spending down ticket. do you hear him? >> we do. we had a really good rally at north carolina central. he made that point to me, and i assured him, look, you know, we're looking where opportunities are. an example is a state of georgia. georgia's a state, significant minority population. polls are close. if we could get over in georgia, this would create something really positive long term that would be great for the entire party, great for the black caucus, great for democratic future, because it's one of the ten largest states. we could get that back in. it would be great.
and we are not foresaking north carolina. i have been there so often, and president obama and michelle obama and hillary and preside clinton were all there a lot. but when he makes the case you got to listen, because he is very, very good at this. so all of this, we're factoring in, so i haven't, i wrote an oped for the desert news, but i haven't been to utah yet. did a campaign event in air and a couple in texas, but i'm real yeah in a few others. >> you guys feel like you're effectively strat lly straddlin. >> you make choices on the fly. we want a congress that we can work with to get some things done. >> tim kaine tonight on the hard choices democrats are making now. they're basically trying to max out the presidential win in as many states as possible while also doing the max for democratic congressional races
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it is. >> this is the most divisive one. there are a lot of kbod people in this country who are dyed in the wool, true-blue republicans. >> yeah. >> whether or not they're going to vote for donald trump. i don't know what's going to happen to the republican party after this experience with trump as their nominee, but does there need to be a grand gesture from you and president clinton if you two are elected in november. does there have to be some sort of overture, some sort of welcoming place in the administration for republicans? >> i would hope so. i would hope so, or in policy. look. >> more than just a token cabinet officer? >> i would hope so, and look, i think there's going to have to be a grand gesture on the behalf of the gop to say gop does not equal trump. gop does not equal trump. and if we govern, of course, we have to govern for everybody. so there has to be an effort to reach out the. and hillary are kind of talking about that, again, not presumptuously. we have to win first, but what
does that look like? one thing that will help us a little bit, give us a little bit of a head start as i think we're going to get a lot of republican votes. john warner, who is the iconic political figure in virginia gave a full-throated endorsement of hillary. he didn't even mention donald trump's name until the last sentence. he talked about what a great senator hillary clinton was, because he was on the committee with her. and i think we're going to have a lot of people on the coalition that got her elected. but that begins a little bit of the outreach. vut burden to govern, you have the burden to govern for everybody. >> no donald trump on the cabinet, though. >> i think that's highly unlikely. >> thank you for the time. i know you're busy of the. >> i'm happy we could do this. >> vice presidential candidate
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the parents were severely burned. but they survived. just an unbelievable tragedy. it happened on election day 1994. and that unbelievable tragedy ultimately turned into one of the biggest corruption prosecutions in modern u.s. history. and it took a dozen years to get to the end of it. it took years to figure out. it took years to unwind it all. but it turned out that that truck driver, on that highway outside milwaukee, never should have been licensed to drive that truck. in fact, he wasn't really licensed to drive that truck. the way he got his commercial driver's license was that he paid a bribe for it. the corruption scandal that state investigators and federal prosecutors and the fbi ultimately unraveled turned out to be a thorough and ongoing scheme to sell commercial driver's licenses for a price.
to sell licenses of all kinds, to sell apartments, to sell leases, to sell contracts, all sorts of things that the state government did in exchange for bribes. and the elected officials who oversaw that bribery scheme saw to it that the -- he didn't just go into public officials' pockets, he specifically went into their campaign funds to make sure they could stay in office so they could keep overseeing this corruption money, and the people who paid happened to be on the motorway with people who got their commercial driver's licenses by greasing somebody's palm instead of being qualified to have them. and by the time prosecutors finally nailed down that scheme, more than 75 state officials got indicted and convicted. no one who was indicted and put on trial was found not guilty. they just nailed them. more than 75 of them. by the time it was really over, the guy in the top, was the
governor of the state, george ryan. george ryan was a republican. he wasn't actually perceived as a terrible governor in illinois, but he was right at the center of that absolutely corrosive corruption scandal. that election day back in 1994 when the willis family lost six kids on that highway, that day, that election day, george ryan had just been reelected to the secretary of state's office in illinois, which was in charge of issuing things like commercial driver's licenses. after that tragedy, an internal review found that the truck driver in the willis family crash should not have been licensed, and in fact he probably paid a bribe to get his commercial license. when that internal investigation came up with that finding, good old george ryan, in the secretary of state's office, shut down that internal state investigation and he fired the investigators. harder to get these things done when people are shutting it down along the way. but a good investigation team,
good prosecutors, good law enforcement doesn't stop. it ultimately took years of investigators, and years of all the corrupt politicians trying to cover it up. it took more than 75 indictments and convictions of state employees, but by the end of it, they got them. they got george ryan, who by the time they got him, had risen to be governor of the state. they got him on bribery, obstruction of justice, lying to investigators, extortion, money laundering, tax fraud. they got him on racketeering. orchestration and involvement in an ongoing criminal enterprise, which under him was a significant portion of the government of the state of illinois, which was being run as a criminal enterprise. that's how you get the governor on a rico case. and that scandal pops in my m d mind.
in modern american history, and will continue to pop in american history for a long time. for a few different reasons. i mean, first, and most obviously it is a textbook case of how corruption works. and how in america when things work the way they should, you cannot use corruption to build up so much political power. that you can outrun or outlast a criminal investigation of your behavior. if you did it, if you left evidence of your crimes, there is no get out of jail free card, no matter how high you rise in politics. good investigators, a good prosecution will catch you. no matter how long it takes and no matter how high you rise. and no matter who you are. that is one reason that case sticks with us, still, a decade after governor george ryan got sent to prison. the governor george ryan case also sticks with us, because it's illinois. it's like a punchline corruption
case. even before george ryan was done serving his prison sentence for corruption, he was joined by the next governor of illinois, rob blagojevich who was also sentenced to prison for corruption. the last seven governors of illinois have gone to prison. that's another reason the case sticks with us. there is one more reason that case will stick with us a while longer, and it's because of a small piece of that dramatic trial for governor george ryan, a small piece of that trial, which is controversial at the time, is now back. you might recognize the federal prosecutor who brought the corruption case against governor george ryan. the prosecutor's name was patrick fitzgerald. you might remember him from t george w. bush case. scooter libby was convicted of lying to federal investigators and obstructing justice.
patrick fitzgerald was the special counsel in that case. he was also the u.s. attorney, the federal prosecutor in chicago, and he led the prosecution of governor george ryan. and in the middle of that prosecution, one very strange thing happened, at least strange from the perspective of federal law enforcement. so in this case, trying a governor in this huge corruption case, this huge deadly years-long corruption case, there's patrick fitzgerald, u.s. attorney for the northern district of illinois, based in chicago, and he's prosecuting this case against the governor of the state. and at that trial another serving federal prosecutor from the same state, the u.s. attorney from the southern district of illinois, came into that trial and testified for the defense. came in and testified for the governor. that's a very strange thing. i mean, it was seen as a very strange thing at the time. even a decade later, it's still seen as a strange thing.
christian and matt robinson wrote about this recently for "bloomberg news," describing it as a, quote, bizarre spectacle. a weird thing, an attorney general in the case coming in and testifying against in effect the other attorney general in the state of illinois. it was a weird thing. the prosecutor who did that is a man named edward mcnally. and it was controversial at the time, not just because this was a weird thing to do, to have a federal prosecutor on one side and a federal prosecutor on the other side, too. it was controversial for months thereafter because it soon emerged that the law firm defending the governor, right, the law firm defending the governor who scored this huge coup by having a sitting federal prosecutor come in and testify on their side of the case, turns out that that law firm was also involved in another matter at the same time.
where they were the law firm that was trying to recover debt that a bunch of chicago lawyers, or a bunch of illinois lawyers owed when their law firm had gone bankrupt. one of the lawyers it turns out who they were trying to collect a six-figure debt from was edward mcnally. while they're pursuing him for that six-figger debt, he comes into this trial and pays that law firm this remarkable favor of sitting down on the other side of this other federal prosecutor on behalf of the defense while serving as a federal u.s. attorney. they're after him for money. and he comes in and does them this favor. the prosecution side, the patrick fitzgerald side figured it out and went nuts. they even found an e-mail in which the guy's own e-mails said, hey, they should cut edward mcnally some slack.
he came in and testified for the defense to help their client, the governor. so that weird part of that trial, one prosecutor facing off against the other prosecutor from the same state, these two u.s. attorneys on either side of the case, it was a weird offshoot of a big, important corruption case that continues to resonate for years later, for all sorts of reasons. when that part of it came out, about this federal prosecutor testifying for the defense, the two senators from illinois at the time, dick durbin, who is still a senator, and the then senator barack obama, they asked the justice department to review the whole thing for potential misconduct. the bush era justice department did investigate it. they cleared mcnally and decided nobody did anything wrong. a decade later now the whole thing is still remembered as a bizarre spectacle. but edward mcnally landed on his feet.
he's now a partner in this guy's law firm. he's a partner in mark kaz oh wits's law firm. mark khas represented the trump organization for years on everything from the multimillion dollar fraud case that trump lost about trump university to trump's efforts to keep his divorce records out of the public eye, to the pseudolegal threats to make complaints against everybody from the u.s. "times," to women accusing donald trump of sexual harassment. they maybe are even representing the president in the ongoing issues related to the russia investigation. edward mcuntil lay is a partner in the kasowitz firm. the top candidate for the eastern district of new york. the eastern district of new york is based in brooklyn. one of the highest profile law
enforcement districts in the country. they're known in particular for their vociferous prosecutions of organized crime. racketeering, money laundering, things like that. the white house has named the george ryan corruption trial guy who was mark kasowitz's law partner as one of their potential nominees for the eastern district of new york. and for the southern district of new york, which is even more high profile, the epicenter of financial crime prosecution in this whole country, it happens to include part of its jurisdiction the place that trump tower is, where the trump organization is headquartered for the southern district of new york, they forwarded the name of jeffrey burrman who is a law partner of rudy giuliani. so if hypothetically president trump has any concerns about potential federal liability related to his family business, or his past or current business practices, the president obviously will have in mind the
special counsel investigation on russia led by former fbi director robert mueller. but he will also probably have in mind these two crucial high profile new york jurisdictions. so, having those prosecutors' offices headed up by a guy from mark kasowitz's law firm and a guy from rudy giuliani's law firm, if you were worried, hypothetically, that would probably feel like a cold compress on a fevered brow, right, for this beleaguered white house. rudy, anybody for the southern district? mark, you got anybody for the eastern district? if congress lets them do it, right? these are senate confirmed positions. and in the general sense, it's true that it's the u.s. justice department that, as a body, oversees all federal law enforcement matters and prosecutions in the united states. right? the justice department does federal law enforcement. that's why it was weird to have
two justice department federal prosecutors working opposite sides of the same case back in the governor george ryan corruption scandal. but within that overall umbrella of the justice department, individual personnel matters. who an individual prosecutor is, how an individual prosecutor works, it can -- yeah, it can change the course of justice. it can change lives. it can change history. in terms of the day-to-day way they do their work, the prosecutor works hand in glove with the grand jury. grand juries are regular citizens called up for what's basically like normal jury duty on steroids. called up for jury duty, usually you sit for a single trial. if you're on a grand jury, you don't just sit for a single trial, you sit anywhere from a month to a year. usually for several months. and under the direction of the prosecutor, the grand jury makes decisions about whether criminal charges can be brought in federal cases. and in the course of making that
decision, the grand jury has a lot of power. they can pursue evidence. prosecutors have grand juries sign off on subpoenas to go get evidence, or to compel testimony, or to compel the production of documents. it's a very powerful -- can be very intimidating part of our justice system. in the case of the trump-russia investigation, we started hearing about grand juries issuing subpoenas to people related to the trump campaign and related to the trump administration back in may. we were first to report on this show on may 11th that the attorney general jeff sessions was refusing to say whether or not he was recused from overseeing any justice department investigations, that might relate to trump campaign chairman paul manafort. by later on that month, by a week later in fact, by may 17th, "the new york times" and nbc news had reported that that was not a hypothetical question. grand juries were at work with federal prosecutors on investigations related to both trump national security adviser mike flynn and paul manafort.
that was in may, by the first week of june it was reported that whatever prosecutors and grand juries had been working on manafort and flynn investigations, whichever grand juries and prosecutors had been issuing subpoenas in those investigations, both of them were being taken out of the normal course of justice department oversight. both flynn investigations and manafort investigations were being taken over by the special counsel, bob mueller. by the end of june, june 30th, we learned among the prosecutors and lawyers who bob mueller has been bringing on to his team at the special counsel's office, one of the lawyers he brought on is the prosecutor who was leading the paul manafort investigation in the southern district of new york. before that prosecution got subsumed into mueller's work. so in parallel with all of that attention and action, from federal prosecutors and grand juries and the special counsel's office, we also know that paul manafort was dealing
simultaneously with another group of people, who had subpoena power, and who were interested in him, and those were the congressional committees investigating the trump-russia issue. paul manafort was initially scheduled to testify on tuesday july 25th to the intelligence committee in the senate. he was then scheduled to testify the following day, wednesday, july 26th, to the judiciary committee in the senate. and some of that planned testimony was in response to requests from those committees. some of that was in response to subpoenas from those committees, like grand juries. investigative committees and the congress can issue subpoenas. and so remember, by this point, by late last month, we know that paul manafort is not just dealing with subpoenas and demands from congress, he's also dealing with subpoenas from federal prosecutors, and grand juries. he's been dealing with those for months. and that's all been happening simultaneously, all the way through may and june and into late july. but now we know that something
very different happened two weeks ago in late july. thanks to the "washington post" today, reporting, we now know that for some reason after midnight on the night of the 25th, the morning of the 26th, the night after he testified to the intelligence committee and the morning before he was initially scheduled to talk to the judiciary committee, for some reason in the predawn hours the federal prosecutors and grand juries that have brought this thing this far decided they would go another step and start doing this in a different way. when the fbi raided paul manafort's house in virginia in the wee hours of july 26th, abc reports tonight he was awoken by a group of armed fbi agents knocking on his bedroom door. when those armed agents raided his house, they weren't just working off the word of a federal prosecutor, and a grand jury. who can act on their own steam.
who have been powering this investigation, and everything we have learned about it up until this point for months. no, for the raid, for there to have been a raid by armed fbi agents, that means they were serving a search warrant, which means that bob mueller and his team had filed a sworn affidavit with a judge that spelled out probable cause that a specific crime or crimes had been committed, and also spelling out probable cause that evidence related to those potential crimes would be found at the specific location named in the warrant, which was paul manafort's house. and presented with that affidavit, the judge signed off. which means we are in a new phase here. this is the first time we know that the investigators have presented and persuaded a judge of probable cause that crimes have been committed in the matters under investigation. so, here's my questions. one, why did they stop seeking information from him by
subpoena? why did they instead move on to raiding his house? and taking things under a search warrant? did the subpoena process stop working? also, as far as i understand it, justice department guidelines require agents to pursue evidence by the least obtrusive means possible. sending armed agents to his bedroom door in the middle of the night is not the least obtrusive means possible. what is all the urgency about? do we ever get to see the search warrant or affidavit that spelled out the alleged crimes here and the evidence they were looking for? did the timing of this raid have anything to do with the fact that paul manafort less than 24 hours earlier had done an interview with the senate intelligence committee? if so, what's the connection between those two things? would the fbi have known the contest of what manafort said to the intelligence committee that morning, if that is what sparked the raid? also, because i'm nosey, how did paul manafort's house get raided
at 3:00 in the morning and none of his neighbors leaked a word of it for two whole weeks? it's not the most important part of this, but puts a whole new spin on neighborhood watch. watch, it's paul manafort, don't tell anyone. there's a lot going on here. some of these questions have answers we ought to be able to get in the public domain, and we'll try to get to some of them this hour. some of the questions we won't know the answers for a long time. the story continues to develop tonight. federal investigators have approached paul manafort's son-in-law in cooperating in the investigation and what politico describes as an effort to increase pressure on paul manafort. federal law enforcement is powerful. it matters who holds the reins of power within that system. federal law enforcement has a logic that is interesting to untangle and follow when it is unraveling dramatic wrongdoing. but covering federal law
enforcement actions, very rarely seems weird, right? very rarely takes a bizarre turn nobody was seeing. when it does, it tends to resonate not just for months, but years, tends to resonate into history. rarely since the start of this scandal have we watched a federal law enforcement action that has immediately provoked not just conclusions, but tons of burning questions. and that's why we're very lucky enough to have carol lenknock with us tonight. we'll be with her next. trust #1 doctor recommended dulcolax. use dulcolax tablets for gentle dependable relief. suppositories for relief in minutes. and dulcoease for comfortable relief of hard stools. dulcolax. designed for dependable relief.
or a witness who is uncooperative, or untrusted. >> reaction from senator richard blumenthal, former prosecutor, to the news of the fbi raid on the home of trump campaign chairman, paul manafort. joining us now is carol leonnig who broke the story today. nice to have you here tonight. congratulations on this scoop. >> thank you, rachel. >> correct me if i'm wrong, i think this is the first time we have learned of an fbi raid as part of this investigation, isn't it? >> it is. it is. and while fbi raids are actually a lot of what the fbi does, it's kind of striking in this kind of case. and it is a threshold moment in the russia probe for special counsel bob mueller. when you could view this as one of our legal experts said to us, a shock and awe moment on the part of bob mueller, and the fbi agents who work for him.
they can be communicating to mr. manafort that he's in their sights, and they view him as someone who's very vulnerable legally. and you can also view it as a moment when a federal judge agreed that there was significant evidence of a crime, and reason to be concerned about preserving evidence. >> i am no expert on these matters at all. it's my understanding that justice department rules on these sorts of things say that agents have to use the least intrusive means, the least obtrusive means, i guess, in trying to obtain evidence. does the fact that this raid happened suggest because of the justice department rules that they felt that they couldn't get what they were after? they couldn't obtain the kind of evidence that they were looking for. for the people who are connected to them?
>> that is an absolutely great question. and of course, there's something that happened. and we can speculate all night long, but what's most likely is that prosecutors were able to, based on something that manafort or his lawyers said, remember, paul manafort is the former chairman of the trump campaign for president in 2016, there is something that he said or his lawyers said that indicated a lack of cooperation, a resistance to provide information or answers. and indeed, paul manafort has some serious legal exposure based on many things we already know in the public domain as you mentioned. one is that his son-in-law has been accused of a ponzi scheme on some real estate deals in california and in manhattan. and mr. manafort's funds were used for some of that project. so he's got lots of questions to
answer there. and that's a pressure point for mr. manafort, a son-in-law in some jeopardy as well. also, mr. manafort did not disclose some important lobbying he was doing on behalf of ukrainian political party that was sort of russian leaning. and that's an important issue about false statements to federal agents, or failure to disclose. and you could argue that's a technical violation, it's still a violation. and a worrisome one for him. if there are other issues involving banking or tax matters, where he has not done everything he was supposed to do, and that is certainly what the record seizure indicates, that the prosecutors are looking at all of his finances, and whether he crossed all his ts and dotted all his is, there's a lot of pressure on this person who is a witness to whether or
not the trump campaign was coordinating with russians in the 2016 election. >> pressure being the operate mum word there. and pressure becoming more viscerally understanding to us who have never been in a situation like this. but how scary it must be to have fbi agents at your house at 3:00 in the morning. congratulations on the scoop. thanks for helping us understand it. >> thanks for the good questions. >> that just made my year. i'm going to bask in that for a second and be back in a minute. whoooo.
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this is such a strange story. it started this morning on the radio. very interesting. i love radio news. it's my background, my favorite thing in the world. cbs is really good at it. and this was a very unusual thing for them. they ran this very provocative, very interesting report that also made no sense. listen to this. tell me if this makes any sense to you. >> the state department spokesperson says some u.s. government personnel in havana on official duty reported incidents that caused a variety of physical incidents. it did take action against cuba. on may 23rd, the u.s. asked, do cuban officials in the u.s. to leave the country. the spokesperson also says it reminded the cuban government of its obligations under the vienna
convention to protect diplomats. an investigation is under way. >> protect the diplomats from what? that was the full report. nondescribed incidents happened to our american diplomats in cuba. those incidents caused the diplomats to develop symptoms that cannot be described. conventions. like, what a thing happened at a time at a place, bad, got it? we're not explaining further. and this report just kind of hung out there for a few hours. wire services eventually picked it up. nobody was able to add anything to the original radio report. so then that same cbs radio reporter showed up at the state department briefing today, clearly frustrated, right? hoping to get some more actual information, some flesh to hang on those bones, as to what the heck those incidents were, what those symptoms were, that befell our u.s. diplomats and how big a deal is this. they asked the state department. and then it got even weirder. and we've got that next. stay with us. ♪
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bit of a late start getting recent updates for you on this. >> excellent. the state department is certainly aware of whatever happened in cuba. they have recent updates. they have been working on it. they have been preparing to tell us more. >> i'm not going to be able to give you a ton of information about this today. i'll tell you what we can provide so far. we don't have any definitive answers about the source or the cause of what we consider to be incidents. >> if the u.s. doesn't have a definitive answer on the cause or source of the incidents, why did it ask those two cuban embassy officials to depart the u.s.? >> look, some of our people have had the option of leaving cuba as a result, for medical reasons. >> how many? >> i can't tell you the exact number of that. >> was it in the tens, dozens? >> i'm not going to characterize it. >> this was in 2016, you don't know what the incidence is. >> it's providing medical
examinations to these people. initially when they started reporting what i will just call symptoms, it took time to figure out what it was. this is still ongoing. we take this very seriously. this incident. this incident. that's what we're calling it. we don't know exactly. >> the physical symptom wasn't death, was it? >> no. it was not. it was not. >> not life-threatening? >> not life-threatening. i'll leave it at that. anything else on cuba? we're done with cuba, correct? >> we're done with cuba. everybody got a handle on this story? we're done, right? you write it all down? let's get this straight. there were incidents. we do not know what the incidents are. we do not have the date when it happened. we don't know how many people showed the symptoms from these incidents. we'll not tell you what the symptoms are. we know the u.s. state department is taking this very seriously and is very happy to clear it up. imagine if you knew somebody was working for the state department in cuba.
well, thank god for reporters. the associated press finally spelled this out today. long after the state department blew all that weird smoke, the a.p. got a source to describe those mysterious symptoms and what this is all about. quote, investigators are looking into whether elements of the cuban government placed sonic devices that produced nonaudible sound inside or outside the residences of roughly five u.s. embassy staffers with the intent of deafening them. american diplomats in cuba, starting last year, have been being intentionally made deaf by secret devices placed at their homes by the cuban government. this is not just strange, this is obviously a very bad story if this is what happened much the cuban government on their part says they're investigating these reports. in a case like this it would be helpful to get something other
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warhead that can fit on a missile. the reporting from the post was yesterday. since then there have been no other intelligence agencies, no other sources who would know who have come out and corroborated that bombshell reporting. nevertheless, after that report yesterday, the president issued threats that he would rain down fire and fury and power on north korea if they continued to issue threats. north korea responded immediately by threatening to shoot missiles at guam. nbc news is reporting tonight that the pentagon is preparing a plan for a preemptive strike on north korea's missile sites using b-1 bombers, should the president want to act on his threats. meanwhile, the secretary of state assured americans that we should all sleep well and not worry about the escalation of this situation, no matter what the president says. is the u.s. running an actual policy here or is this improv? and what do we expect to happen next? joining us is andrea mitchell, host of andrea mitchell
reporting here on msnbc. great to see you. thank you for being here. >> great to see you, rachel. >> the pentagon using b-1 bombers, is this the sort of thing that they always keep at hand, or is this really new? us b1 bombers. is this the sort of thing that they always keep at hand, that they can always draw this, or is this really new? >> thif got plans. this is one plan as we've been reporting. also the other plans, there are surface to surface missiles. they've got a range of options obviously because of the potential bad weather. the b 1s have also been flying because they are such an obvious signal to the north koreans. they've been flying particularly since the last month, since the first ibm launch, the long-range missile launch, and then the second one. so the accelerated pace of not
only the nuclear tests but then the missile test, the increased sophistication, which were underestimated clearly by u.s. intelligence has really got everybody's hair on fire. >> andrea, the defense intelligence agency back in 2013 reported -- thats with und was leadership of mike flynn. this is just -- >> it was right but just a couple years early. >> just a few years early. the timing ends up being important. are other u.s. intelligence agencies corroborating the report? are we expecting a more fulsome report on this? >> it's a little bit unclear. let me just say that not on the record, we're getting a lot of signals, off the record signals on background, not really anything definitive. other agencies are not falling
into line. so we don't have yet a formal assessment that i am aware of, but it does seem that the chief of staff, the secretary of defense, that a lot of very serious players, h.r. mcmaster, are taking this seriously enough that it seems to be at least something that was briefed to the president and briefed by the dni and by the cia director mike pompeo who does the daily briefs. >> there's been some reporting tonight that u.n. ambassador nikki haley, that her spokesperson resigned today and that her chief of staff is leaving. i just had to ask you about those reports, if you've heard anything about that, if you can shed any light. >> we've heard those reports and some very incredible reporters are confirming those, but i haven't confirmed it personally. i've heard from one person that one of the resignations has to
do with family reasons. it's not policy. one of them is a holdover who had been there. this would add to the number of diplomats who are leaving who were holdovers. many of them stayed for what they thought would be a reasonable transition, but they are not being given the authority, and they're not trusted by foreign, you know, allies and adadversaries. they don't have any power. even though the administration is saying we don't have these vacancies, a lot of these positions, 22 out of 24 assistant secretaries are holdover appointments, and five out of six undersecretaries. you see the problem. who is going to trust someone who is not a trump loyalist in these positions? not hardly. this has become a really problem for the secretary of state. >> it would be one thing if this was a world that held still for a minute. but with all of these multiple crises, not having anybody nominated for most of positions is remarkable 200 days in.
andrea mitchell, thanks. i appreciate it. we've got one more guest joining us tonight. stay with us. there's still yet more to come. whoooo.
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it's a pleasure to have you here. thank you for your time tonight. >> thanks for having me, rachel. >> so forgive my ignorance on these matters. i understand that a judge had to believe there was probable cause that a crime was committed in order to issue a search warrant for this raid. what i don't know is will we, the public, ever see the search warrant that the judge signed off on or the affidavit that was submitted to the judge in order to get this warrant? >> that's always the question because we know that all of the details are in the affidavit that the agent signed in order to convince the judge that there was probable cause. unfortunately the answer most likely, at least for now, is no. when that search warrant affidavit will come to light will more likely be if there are indictments in the discovery phase down the road. there's a tiny possibility, though, that there's a return from that search warrant.
the agents are required, as they close out a search, to actually do an inventory of property that they seized. the agent who's making the inventory has to do that with another agent, and the homeowner, or the person being searched, present. whether or not that return is sealed is a very interesting question here. >> a lot of people who, like myself, are non-lawyers, just observers of this today, have been making a big deal out of the fact that this was a pre-dawn raid. abc news reports that manafort was awakened in the midst of this raid when fbi agents were knocking at his bedroom door, which would imply that they got in through the front door without his consent. is there any -- are we reading too much into those details? do those details tell you anything as a former u.s. attorney as to the circumstances here? >> i've been wondering about the same thing all day. so 6:00 is a little bit of a cutoff. typically search warrants happen during normal daytime hours. to go earlier than 6:00 in the morning, you would have to
convince the judge that there was a good reason to authorize you to go ahead and hit -- to begin the search warrant execution that early. not clear exactly what time this took place at. and then there's this whole issue of did they actually make entry into manafort's house and reach the bedroom door before knocks? i tend to think that that's just a little bit of confuse in the reporting. that would be what we call a no-knock warrant and typically that's used when you believe someone is going to flush evidence into the toilet if you ma -- >> if this sort of thing happened while you were a u.s. attorney in alabama and a sneaky reporter like me started asking you questions about this as an ongoing investigation, you wouldn't see beep about it, would you? >> i would probably smile very nicely at you and tell you, you just have to wait. >> yeah. i'm starting to get that feeling. joyce vance, former u.s. attorney for the northern district of alabama, it's a real
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potential payment to kathleen mcdougal before it took place. so that is obviously at odds with the president saying that he learned about it later. still lots of questions here, lots of unresolved issues, and the white house, a stressful day at the lectern for sarah sanders, i think, given the number of questions which she really did not have anything that she could go to beyond the prepared statement of he has done nothing wrong, there are no charges against him. >> kelly, thanks very much for that. kelly o'donnell at the white house. michael cohen's guilty plea sheds light on the timeline of hush money payments made to women who president trump is accused of having affairs with before the campaign. this isn't the salacious gossip it once was, this is part of a pattern of trump. according to the new yorker, playboy model karen mcdougal signed a nondisclosure agreement with american media incorporated, the parent company
of the "national enquirer." she received $150,000 owned by trump friend david pecker to keep quiet about her alleged affair with trump. two months later, october 7th, americans heard the "access hollywood" tape in which mr. trump brags about assaulting women. later that month on the 27th, michael cohen paid adult film star stormy daniels $130,000 to keep her affair with the presidential candidate quiet. the next day daniels siengned a nda covering the affair and the payment. 11 days after that donald trump was elected president of the united states. he created fake invoices, the same day the president asked james comey to let the flynn matter go. on april 5th of this year the president told reporters he didn't know about the payments cohen arranged. a month later on may 3rd, he finally acknowledged he did know
about the payments, which cohen said were meant to affect the outcome of the election. to get into this, joining me now is attorney liz holtzman, the former new york congresswoman who voted to impeach president nixon. her new book "the case for impeaching trump" is wildly relevant and out this october. also with us is barbara mcquade. before i get into the crux of where we stand right now, barbara, i have to address one matter we just heard president trump talk about in his interview. this allegation that he makes that president obama did this, they are completely separate matters. the $375,000 fine that was paid by the obama administration were about campaign filing irregularities. this is about a conspiracy, a felony conspiracy to keep something of public interest out of the way of the american people to influence the election. the idea that the president is conflating those is ridiculous. >> yeah, this is just another
reason. in this instance this was an effort to cover up information that could be damaging to the campaign. this is criminal in nature. it involves criminal intent, which is not present in those civil infractions you just mentioned. >> liz, it's debatable whether or not the president, a sitting president can be indicted, but let's just go to 50,000 feet here. you and i have been talking about this from the beginning. i feel that something changed last night in terms of the legitimacy of this presidency. that's a thing that gets under donald trump's skin, but it's true. his presidency lost a great deal of legitimacy on the legal front last night. >> right. and i think the key is his involvement and the people around him. now we see the walls coming tumbling down. you have paul manafort, his campaign manager, convicted in a trial -- >> by a jury of his peers. >> jury of his peers. the judge was a reagan appointee. no question that the judge was very tough on the prosecutors
and here we have donald trump attacking that conviction and also saying that manafort, strong, brave, hasn't given in. >> didn't break. >> that's the wrong signal. what he's doing is saying don't cooperate to manafort. this is a kind of obstruction of justice and it's horrifying. the other thing that's happened is that his campaign, his personal lawyer has been involved in pleading guilty to a campaign violation felony, a crime. the difference between this and obama is not only what barbara mcquade just said, but the president was personally involved. you know that obama wasn't involved in filling out the forms that were filed for campaign finance stuff. >> but that's what the issue is here. >> the president was personally involved. and michael cohen has a lot more to say about the president. not only that he was personally involved in this apparent criminal activity, but there could be other things. he knows about the russia influence, he knows about
whether trump knew beforehand, there are intimations that trump new beforehand about the trump tower meeting. that's vital because that could be another kind of criminal conspiracy and we're getting very close to the issue of treason there. if you're cooperating with a foreign government to undermine our elections, this is very serious stuff. >> which is why, barbara, a lot of people think the russia stuff is still going to be more interesting than payoffs to the two women. the issue here, though, is that he is sending, the president is sending a message to manafort. manafort rolled the dice on the first trial. the second trial a lot of experts say doesn't stand the likelihood for going as well for paul manafort but the president does seem to be sending a message, hold the line and don't give up anything. which leads people to believe there's something to give up. >> i think we're at a critical moment in the manafort case. i can understand he might have thought let's roll the dice in the first trial and see what happens because i get a second bite at the apple.
if i were his lawyer today, i would be advising paul manafort to consider going to the special counsel and offering to cooperate in exchange for a global resolution of his cases. a dismissal of the washington, d.c., case and motion for reduction in his sentence in the virginia case in cooperation. i think robert mueller would go for that. even if paul manafort doesn't have anything thattin crimin ic the president directly, robert mueller's mission is to get to the truth. what happened with russian interference in to your election. paul manafort was involved at a very crucial time. he was present at that june 2016 meeting in trump tower. he was there during the time e-mails were hacked and distributed. did he know anything about that, was there any coordination? i think there would be great value talking to paul manafort about that. this is the moment where he has the goods to deliver. i can understand why president trump is very nervous and trying to send those messages at this time. >> a lot of americans are looking to congress to help out here. you were a member of congress during watergate and you remember the moments in which
republican members of congress started to fall against richard nixon. we're just not seeing that. >> well, we're going to see that, i think, as time goes by here. i mean it's shocking if you stop to think that somebody has now made an allegation, sworn in court to the fact that he committed a crime and that the president was personally involved in that. that a president of the united states is now being accused of committing a criminal act is very, very serious. we don't want to be there. nobody, whether you're a democrat or republican or green party or purple party, whatever it is, nobody wants to see that. republicans came over when the facts were just overwhelming. i think the facts are going to be overwhelming here too. >> the difference, though, back then is richard nixon was starting to affect their chances, because he was becoming wildly unpopular with the american people. we've got a problem here in that many of these republican members of congress are less popular than the president. >> yes, but also the american people are the ones who vote.
remember, richard nixon won in 1972 with one of the biggest landslides in american history. a year and a half later, those people who had voted for him and said, you know, i made a mistake. here are the facts. what's more important is the rule of law and our country, and not a single president and not a single party. the american people will see that. will everybody? no. but by the end, sure, nixon had a quarter of the american people, but three-quarters of the american people said no president is above the law. i think the american people will say that here too. >> liz holtzman, thank you very much. barbara mcquade. liz voted to impeach richard nixon. barbara is a former attorney for the eastern district of michigan. in the wake of michael cohen's guilty plea, many senate democrats are calling on republicans to suspend the nomination of the supreme court nominee, brett kavanaugh. i'll ask alabama's senator doug jones if he joins the ranks of his colleagues in that. you're watching msnbc. before you and your rheumatologist
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fully vet a lifetime appointment to the supreme court. the possibility of criminal withdrawn doing by the president, combined with existing doubts that brett kavanaugh believes a president can be investigated, demand further review of this situation. brett kavanaugh's hearing should be delayed. but here's what republicans who support moving ahead with the nomination process have to say. >> is it fair for kavanaugh to be confirmed under this cloud considering that the president's been named a conspirator in the cohen case? >> i don't see the connection. i don't think it has anything to do with judge kavanaugh. >> should the senate delay kavanaugh's hearings? >> no. >> because of the cloud that he's under now? >> no. >> why not? >> what cloud are you talking about? >> that has gotten zero -- you want to remove the president from office based on the guilty plea. it doesn't work that way. >> i'm joined by the democratic senator from alabama, doug
jones. thank you for being with us. >> my pleasure. >> so you've got feinstein calling for a delay of the hearings. you've got feinstein, schumer, shaheen and hirono cancelling their meetings with kavanaugh. you don't have a meeting scheduled yet but you had said you were going to meet with brett kavanaugh. are you still going to go ahead with that meeting? >> if the schedule holds, then yes, i'm going forward with it. i'm not going to cancel that. i've had a process that i want to try to meet with him as soon after the hearing as possible. we hope to try to continue to do that. i'm like everybody else around here on the democratic side of the aisle. i think he need to push a pause button and let this play out just a little bit. couple that with the fact we haven't got the full set of documents. i think it only makes sense. this is a very serious nomination. every supreme court nomination is. we need as much information as we can for a lifetime appointment. so i'd hit that pause button for a little bit and let this play out some. >> let me just parse that a little bit.
when you say hit the pause button, that would mean at the moment we've got scheduled hearings starting on september 4th which chuck grassley has said will go on. when you're talking about pause, you're talking about pause on that, don't start those hearings on september 4th? >> that's exactly what i'm saying. senator grassley asked for documents from the white house and the national archives said it would take until october to get the records that he requested, that the republicans requested. let's at least pause and get all of those documents in there. those are the ones that the republicans have asked for. let's get those. it's still not complete record, but i think that's only fair. it will give some of this other stuff time to play out a little bit. let the dust settle and see where things go before we move ahead. >> i thought it was interesting what lindsey graham said, he said what cloud are you talking about. the cloud obviously comes down to whether or not this president is in greater legal jeopardy than he was 24 hours ago. i think while there's a lot of debate as to whether you can indict a sitting president, there isn't a lot of debate that the president seems to be in
greater legal jeopardy after michael cohen named him as a co-conspirator in the election matter. so what brett kavanaugh has to say about how you deal with presidents who are under a cloud of suspicion i think is more important than senator graham gave it credit for being. >> well, i think that's true. certainly he is -- the president is under a cloud. everything that happened today were real bombshells. and it is certainly undermining the presidency at this point. we need to see how this goes. you can't ever determine where this will end up. but i do think it raises the stakes a good bit on that portion of the kavanaugh record. people need to examine all aspects of it. people have been focused on it to begin with, but now i think the stakes are raised. >> senator doug jones, thank you for joining us, sir. >> my pleasure, thank you. let's have a quick look at the east room of the white house where in just a few minutes john a. chapman will receive the
posthumous medal of valor. i know some of you tweet me you're frustrated when we go to the white house for events. i will beg your indulgence when it comes to medal of honor recipients. these are american heroes who do deserve your time. lester holt joins me next to talk about his interview with chapman's wife. you're watchings in nbc. hi i'm joan lunden.
this just in, investigators in new york state have subpoenaed michael cohen as they look into possible crimes committed by the trump foundation. this is according to the associated press which cites a spokesperson for the governor's tax department. nbc news is working to confirm this subpoena. as the a.p. reports, cohen could be a significant source of information for state investigators who are looking into president trump or his charity broke state law or lied about their tax liability. an important note here, anyone charged with a state crime cannot be pardoned by the president. any minute now, president trump is expected to presenting the medal of honor, our nation's highest military award, to a man who was left behind by his unit in afghanistan because they thought he was dead. only later did they learn he was still alive and continued to fight alone for more than an hour. before air force tech sergeant john chapman died of his injuries, he killed two al qaeda fighters, including one in
hand-to-hand combat. this was in march of 2002. the investigation into what happened took more than two and a half years and involved videos like this one from air force -- from the air force from drones that were flying overhead. sergeant chapman was embedded with s.e.a.l. team 6, the same unit that killed osama bin laden. today sergeant chapman's mother and his widow will receive the honor on the sergeant's behalf. nbc nightly news anchor lester holt joins me now. lester spoke with the sergeant's widow to talk about what this ceremony means to their family. lester, sometimes our viewers don't like to stick around when we go to hear the president speak, but the exception must be made for medal of honor recipients. >> yeah, this is a story that has been in the making since 2002. they know that he was killed on that mountain top and only later by taking old technology and overlaying new technology, enhancing those predator drone videos. you saw in that video they were able to highlight chapman, see his movements and realize at one
point he was shot down and appeared not to be moving but as the rest of his team is driven off this mountain under withering enemy fire, he gets back up and goes back at it, even defending another helicopter coming in with reinforcements. so they have watched this unfold, knowing he was a hero, but only realizing in the last few years the extent of that heroism. i spoke with valerie, his wife, who you'll be seeing shortly here receiving this. we talked about this day and this moment. >> have you thought about what it's going to be like to formally accept the medal of honor on john's behalf? >> it's going to be surreal, humbling, exciting. there's just a plethora of emotions that i think will run through my head when i'm actually handed that medal. i mean obviously i wish to god he'd be here getting it in person. but it's going to be a very proud moment for our special task community and the nation.
>> talk about that special community. as you accept it, do you want people to keep in mind folks like john who are still doing that job? >> yes. people need to realize that our men and women are still defending us in every corner of the globe right now. just because we don't have lots of casualties and big battles going on anymore, they are still out there fighting every day. and we've forgotten about it. >> i'm so glad she said that because we do lose sight of the fact there are thousands, just in afghanistan alone and in other places in the world. this is a big deal for a number of reasons. this will be the first medal of honor recipient from the u.s. air force in about 50 years. >> and he actually got the air force cross, which is second to the medal of honor, but the former air force secretary, deborah james, recommended he be upgrade on the strength of that video, the fact that they saw what more happened that they didn't even know.
>> this was a joint special operations team. i think at the heart of it was s.e.a.l. team 6 but they'll go in with an air force air controller. >> and that circle by the way is chapman. >> they believe that's him. they did this not only from the drone imagery but the reports of those on the ground, the radio calls. they could begin to piece together where he was so that's -- this is, again, technology only the last couple of years that allowed them to do this. his job in these cases had things gone as they expected, if they need air cover here or a bomb planted over here, he gets on the horn and they bring in the air cover. so although they are not s.e.a.l.s, they are among the elite of the u.s. air force along with the rangers and other special ops communities often would work together on missions like this. >> what a remarkable story. thanks for being with us for this. >> of course. >> you can see much more of lester's interview tonight on nightly news with lester holt here on nbc. sergeant john chapman joins a group of about 3,400 people, an
elite group who have received america's highest military honor since the award was created in 1861. joining me now is, as lester said, another member of that elite group, msnbc military analyst, retired colonel jack jacobs. jack, you're with me for every one of these and you never fail to feel the honor that is bestowed upon not just them but really the military at large. people who are in our services at large who don't get these roi recognitions. it's almost like each one of these is about everybody who fights in silence. >> that's what every recipient will tell you, he doesn't wear it for himself, he wears it for all those who can't. here's a story that was told to me by bob carey, medal of honor recipient, used to be governor of nebraska, lost his leg in vietnam, navy s.e.a.l. somebody once asked him what does it take to get a medal of honor? well, you have to do something, people have to see it, they have
to be able to write and they can't hate you. so think about all the people who fought val yaniantly and no saw it, there was nobody to witness it or the paperwork got lost accidentally or on purpose and you realize that all the recipients recognize the fact that they represent all those who can't wear it. >> so for each one of these 3,000 plus people, there are so many more who did these things, who die in silence sometimes, who fight in silence. so it is important, and this is sort of what i was sharing with my viewers, it's important that we pause and we listen to these stories very fully. this man, john chapman, he is -- he was a combat controller. he served with the 24th special tactics squadron, pope air force at the time of his death. the stories have a similarity to them. there's a selflessness and a fearlessness in the face of the ultimate danger that often would result in death. >> well, if you're in a very
difficult situation and there are lots of people who are ardently trying to kill you and your comrades, and you're in a situation where you can do something, you do it. what goes through your mind is a lot of things, but one of them is if i were in a similar situation, they would do the same for me. we're all in it together. like benjamin franklin once opined, we either hang together or we will surely hang separately. you're in a difficult situation. we do fight for the country. we do fight to accomplish the mission. most of all in different circumstances, we fight for each other. >> and that is the remarkable part, that these stories when you hear about them, they're always somebody who goes back in when sometimes there's another option. in many of these cases they might have been able to do something else to end up alive or to not be injured, but they take that extra risk. an it's not something that we -- i fear that we stop appreciating this over time, that there are still people fighting with an
american flag on their sleeve in places that we can't name and in many places can't find on a map. >> lester mentioned it. we have thousands of people just in afghanistan alone, still. >> 17 years. >> 17 years. don't forget that this action tack place, what, 16 years ago. we have people all across the globe doing all kinds of things to make sure that we stay free, that we are a bullwart against intrusions. we have people in subsaharan africa, in asia, all trying to keep people free to take care of themselves so we won't have to go there in large numbers. we're going to be frankly at it for a lot longer. >> colonel, stay with me. we're minutes away from the start of the ceremony. we will take you there as soon
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>> for those who desire, may you join me now in prayer. holy father, we thank you for this day, for this national recognition and for technical sergeant john chapman. lord, we enter this esteemed ceremony with hearts filled with grief and pride. our grief stems from the pain of john's sacrifice along with six other courageous americans that lost their lives in noble service to our nation in the cause of human freedom and dignity. our pride stems on this day focused upon the man you created, gifted, and empowered with an unconventional resolve to operate selflessly in protecting his family, his teammates, and the world from the evil of terrorism. we thank you, lord, for the
opportunity to honor john chapman with america's highest decoration for his heroic valor, to honor the enduring sacrifice his family carries deeply within their hearts, and to honor the legacy, inspiration that john has infused into the mission, the leadership and the operations of air force special tactics. lord, your just intent of overcoming evil with good in this world through human agency found fearless expression in john, even in the face of death so others may live. we thank you for john. we thank you for his family. we thank you for his unforgettable life and love shaped by your very spirit. father, as we move forward this day, may your presence be tangibly known to john's precious family. as we move forward, may john's sacrifice motivate selfless duty to you, to country, and to humanity. and as we move forward, may we
give thanks for our great nation, our great military and our great liberties that rest upon the bravery and blood of selfless patriots like technical sergeant john chapman. to this end we pray, amen. >> thank you very much. please be seated, thank you. thank you, chaplain, very well done. beautiful. we're honored to be joined by members of congress, military leaders, distinguished guests from all across our nation. i want to recognize secretary of the air force, heather wilson. thank you, heather. thank you. air force chief of staff david goldfein. david, thank you. it's been 19 years, right, for the air force to get the congressional medal of honor, so congratulations. it's a long time. very deserving. air force undersecretary matthew
donovan, air force vice chief of staff steven wilson and chief master sergeant of the air force, kathleen wright. i also want to thank va secretary robert wilkie for joining us. you are doing a great job. the vets are very happy. there's been a lot of great reports, thank you very much. along with senators john bozeman, richard blumenthal, bob casey, chris murphy and pat toomey and representative matt gaetz and john larson. thank you all for being here very much. thank you all very much, appreciate it. we're gathered together this afternoon to pay tribute to a fallen warrior, a great warrior. technical sergeant john chapman, and to award him our nation's highest and most revered military honor. would you all please join me in
welcoming a wonderful family that i just met in the oval office, the chapman family. thank you. please stand up. [ applause ] and to his beautiful wife, valerie, who agrees that he was a very brave man right from the beginning. right? you knew that. i know this day has truly brought special meaning. exactly 26 years ago, you married john. today is our great honor to share his incredible story with the world, so thank you very much, valerie, appreciate it. and your daughters, madison and
brianna, we award your dad the congressional medal of honor. i know he's looking down on you right now from heaven, proud of this day, but even more proud of the incredible young women that you have both become. it's great to know you. great to have met you, thank you. we're also grateful to be joined by john's wonderful mom, terry, his sister, lori, his brother, kevin, and valerie's parents, rita and jim novak. thank you all for being here. a very great honor. [ applause ] although she could not be here today, somebody that john loved very much, his sister, tammy. so please give our regards. thank you. i also want to recognize jack
souza, john's friend and combat control teammate, who is still recovering from a recent severe injury. jack, thank you for your noble service. thank you very much, we appreciate it. thank you. thank you, jack. appreciate it. it looks like you're doing well. doing well? good. thank you, jack. finally, we salute the five congressional medal of honor recipients who join us. woody williams, harvey barnham, edward byers, brian thacker and britt slabinski. please stand. please. brave people. three months ago i awarded the medal of honor to britt for his
heroic actions in the same battle we are remembering today. john chapman grew up in windsor locks, connecticut. from a very young age john was determined to protect those in need. in kindergarten, john noticed that his classmate, bill brooks, was being bullied. as bill says, john stepped in and saved me. in his high school yearbook, john quoted these words. give yourself before taking of someone else. that's very far-sighted. john lived by that motto every single day. everybody that knew him said that's the way he lived. two years after he graduated high school, john enlisted in the united states air force. he was among the elite few to complete air force special tactics training, one of the most rigorous training programs in all of the military. john became an expert in
deploying undetected onto the battlefield to set up airfields and direct fire support. now john will become the first special tactics airman to receive the congressional medal of honor. john met valerie in winber, pennsylvania, while training with the army. that was a big day. good day, right? they married in 1992 and soon their love grew into a beautiful family. whenever john was home, he immediately took on dad duty, reading to the girls, playing with them and even building an amazing swing set. do you remember that? that's a long time ago, swing set. soon after the terror attacks of september 11th, john volunteered to deploy to afghanistan. he walked into his superiors' office and said i need to go.
in one of the most harrowing engagements of operation enduring freedom, john was part of a highly trained team on a combat mission to establish a secure position on the peak of a mountain. in the early morning of march 4th, 2002, john and his teammates were preparing to land onto the mountain when their helicopter was struck by heavy machine gunfire and a rocket-propelled grenade. they were under serious attack. as the helicopter lurched away, petty officer first class neil roberts was flung out of the aircraft and onto the top of the mountain. as the helicopter crash landed into the valley below. it was a horrific crash. the team survived the crash and without hesitation, they volunteered to return to the mountain. they want it to get neil.
they landed into a deep snow and heavy machine gunfire coming from three different directions. couldn't even see, so many bullets. at over 10,000 feet, they fought the enemy at the highest altitude of any battle in the history of the american military. john chapman was the first to charge up the mountain toward the enemy. he killed two terrorists and cleared out the first bunker. john left the safety of the first bunker to fire a second enemy grenade at another bunker. as john fired on the second bunker, he was shot and fell to the ground and lost consciousness. even though he was mortally wounded, john regained consciousness and continued to fight on, and he really fought. we have proof of that fight. he really fought. good genes. you have good genes. he immediately began firing at the enemy, who was bombarding
him with machine gunfire and rocket-propelled grenades. despite facing overwhelming force, john brave low and fiercely battled on for an hour another american quick reaction force helicopter approached. john engaged the enemy and provided covering fire in an attempt to prevent the enemy from shooting down our soldiers, our airmen, and that helicopter. in this final act of supreme courage, john gave his life for his fellow warriors. through his extraordinary sacrifice, john helped save more than 20 american service members, some of whom are here today. and i'd like to introduce them. sergeant major matthew la frenz. please stand up. thank you, sir.
sergeant major raymond de pauli. thank you, raymond. special tactics major gabriel brown. thank you. along with his team leader master chief brit slobinski. thank you. thank you all. and we also remember the six others who, along with john, gave their lives on that snowy, really, really cold afghan night. petty officer first class neil roberts, specialist mark anderson, sergeant bradley crose, senior air man jason cunningham, technical sergeant philip svitak, and corporal matthew commons. our nation is rich with blessings, but our greatest
blessings of all are the patriots like john and all of you that just stood and frankly many of the people in this room. i exclude myself and a few of the politicians. who like john carry our freedom on their shoulders, march into the face of evil, and fight to their very last breath so that we can live in freedom and safety and peace. now it is my privilege to ask valerie to join me on stage to accept the congressional medal of honor on behalf of the hero she loved and the hero our nation will forever remember, technical sergeant john chapman. thank you. please. please, valerie. thank you. would the military aide please
come forward and read the citation? thank you. >> the president of the united states of america has awarded in the name of congress the medal of honor posthumously to technical sergeant john h. chapman for risk of life above the call of duty. technical sergeant john a. chapman distinguished himself by extraordinary heroism as an air force special tactics combat controller attached to i a navy, sea, air and land seal team, conducting reconnaissance operations in afghanistan in 2002. the helicopter was ambushed causing a teammate to fall into an entrenched group of combat ants below. the team voluntary reasserted onto the snow capped mountain into the heart of a known enemy
strong hold to rescue one of their own. without regard for his own safety, sergeant dhap man immediately engaged moving in the direction of the closest enemy position despite coming under heavy fire from multiple directions. he fearlessly charged an enemy bunker up a steep incline in thigh-deep snow and into hostile fire directly engaging the enemy. upon reaching the bunker, sergeant chapman assaulted and cleared the position killing all enemy occupants. with complete disregard for his own life, sergeant chapman deliberately moved from cover only 12 meters from the enemy and exposed himself once again to attack a second bunker from which an implaced machine gun was firing on his team. in the line of intense fire, sergeant chapman was struck and injured by enemy fire. despite severe mortal wounds, he continued to fight relentlessly, sustaining a violent engagement with multiple enemy personnel before making the ultimate sacrifice.
by his heroic actions and extraordinary valor, sack fightsing his life for the life of his teammates, technical sergeant chapman upheld the highest traditions of military service and reflected great credit upon himself and the united states air force. [ cheers and applause ]
skills so others may live. as we conclude, may john's family be covered with your lavish love and peace. may the uniformed sons and daughters of america know your empowerment and protection. and may you hasten the day, oh, lord, where war will be no more. for your glory we pray, amen. >> thank you.
actually did. and there's always a story of someone who did something extra. maybe they could have stayed hidden. maybe they could have gotten away, but they don't. >> what motivates people is they're with their comrades. a brief story. a friend of mine enlisted in the marine corps, lied about his age. he was 16 years old. wound up north of the -- by the dmz, pace on during the tet offensive, very bad place to be. one of eight marines in a squad. they're outside the wire. squad lead is a 20-year-old marine with responsibility for the other seven guys. they get into a fire fight. some of the marines are wounded. one of them badly, turns out mortally wounded outside the wire. rushes through a hail of fire to collect his wounded marine. brings him back to safety and dying marine's last words to his 20-year-old squad leader were, i knew you'd come for me. it's that kind of devotion, not
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interesting part of the president's answer to ainslie earhart's question, that hasn't played in that portion that you aired there, shep, where the president said this was not a campaign contribution, because it wasn't the campaign that paid it, it was me. and i have tweeted about that in the past. now, you remember, the president put an awful lot of his own money into the campaign. so i asked sarajevo hah huckabee sanders how did the president dlinity what was going to the campaign and what might have gone to other people for campaign purposeles. listen in here. >> how do you draw the line between what was a campaign contribution and what might have been a payment to somebody for other purps. >> secretary sanders: i'm not going to get into the back and forth of the legal part of. this i would refer to you the president's outside counsel 678 as i told cecilia, what i can tell you is what the president has stated a number of times, he did nothing wrong, there are no charges against him, just because michael cohen has made a deal doesn't mean anything with regards to the president. >> so, again, the president says
americans. >> even if the president were to be impeached by a dem xwratly led congress we see a replay of 1999 per the republican controlled house voted on articles of impeachment for president clinton but the senate did not convict. takes two-thirds of the senate. unlikely according to everyone i talk to that that could happen. michael cohen's attorney told me that this is just the beginning of the process for davis that he's willing to talk to investigators about the true nature of his relationship with donald trump, things that might have transpired during that relationship. cohen has set up a go fund me page which is so far attracted $54,000. that's about one-tends of what they're looking for -- 1/10 of what they look for. >> shepard: cohen implicated the president directly in a crime. is there a noticeable sense of change in demeanor there, or was
this expected? >> i think it really was expected. here's a guy who famously and it's been reported many, many times said that he would take a bullet for the president. then that interview with george step no loss suggested that his main goal was to protect his family and his country. i talked to lanny davis about the evolution that cohen went through. it seems as though he just decided that a world of hurt was going to come down on him and it was time that he needed to say something about president trump to save his own hide. but lanny davis said something very interesting, he said when he saw president trump sort of defer to vladimir putin on this issue of russian meddling in the campaign, that was the last straw and he said to lanny davis, let's go forward with all of this. >> shepard: fascinating point in history. john roberts at the white house writing the first draft. the president's former fixer michael cohen has more secrets to spill about his ex-boss according to cohen's attorney, the aforementioned lanny davis.
will cohen cooperate with the special counsel, bob mueller? >> the answer is he will cooperate with everyone because he's committed to telling the truth. but i know that when he retained me, as recently as yesterday, he's committed to telling the truth. >> shepard: dramatic evolution from last summer when michael cohen said he was so loyal to the president he'd take a bullet for him. no more. rick lefb that will has the latest. >> michael cohen could have spent the rest of his life in federal prison. with this plea deal he's looking at three to five years. nothing in the deal excel him to cooperate with the mueller -- compels him to cooperate with the mueller investigation but doesn't preclude it. lanny davis said cohen appears ready to cooperate. he's free on $500,000 bond, admitted under oath to hiding $4 million in income from the irs, hiding a debt to secure a home equity loan, paying off two
women to protect his boss and help win the white house. as you heard john roberts report, cohen told the judge in the summer of 2016 he arranged a reimburse a tabloid for buying and then burying a story about former playboy model karen mccuingal who claimed an affair with mr. trump and said he paid $130 no steffi clifford, stormy daniels, she was ready to go public with the claimed affair. both cases cohen said he did so in coordination and direction for candidate for federal office, protect from information that would be harmful to the candidate for the principle purpose of influencing the election. cohen's attorney admits he lied for years but now says he's committed to telling the truth. >> shepard: at the same time cohen's attorney says the president of the united states should be prosecuted. >> he does. he said that the president committed a crime and should be indicted. listen. >> mr. trump wasn't willing to sign those checks himself. he directed mr. cohen to make those hush money payments. is a federal crime.
if michael cohen, with the prosecutors in new york, agreeing admitted to that, then certainly donald trump is guilty of the same crime. >> we heard from attorney allen dershowitz, saying the president is far from an impeachable offense and far from a criminal offense. >> if mr. trump, the candidate, contributed several hundred thousand dollars to his own campaign to pay hush money to women who were truthfully or falsely alleging against him that's not a crime. a candidate can contribute as much as he wants. if he directed somebody to do it intending to pay it back. >> cohen will be sentenced on december 12. his lawyer says he doesn't want anything from the president including a pardon. >> shepard: rick, thank you. breaking news now, on fox news channel and this is just in to us here at the network. from our station, fox 29 in philadelphia. which has just reported that new york state investigators have just issued a subpoena to
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has information that would be interesting to prosecutors at the state and federal level. as a close confidant, they seiko hen could be a significant source of information looking into whether trump or his charity broke state law or lied about their tax liability. anybody charged with a state crime could not be pardoned by the president. messages left with attorneys for cohen and trump were not immediately returned. all of that from the associated press. michael cohen works with president trump for more than a decade. he rose through the ranks of the trump organization, eventually became executive vice president. lauraingle in new york city with more. >> hi, shep. michael cohen has a long history here in new york professionally and personally. the son of a holocaust survive or, grew up on long island, became a lawyer and taxi medallion owner, purchased several trump apartments. that's where the connection to the president began. a big week as we've reported for
the married father of two who will be by the way celebrating his 52nd birthday this saturday with a new title to add on-to-his roster, admitted felon. cohen earned his law degree from the thomas m. coolly law school in michigan but could be disbarred if he is convicted. that's one part of it. according to published reports he met the president in 2004 hiel he was looking to buy an apartment at trump park avenue. after siding with mr. trump in a dispute with the condo board at trump's world tower, he publicly promoted trump tower apartments as a sound investment. something that led mr. trump to offer him a job. cohen quit his law partnership and went to work for the trump organization in 2007. cohen has a resume in politics, named deputy finance chair of the republican national committee finance committee in 2017. a post he resigned this year citing the ongoing special counsel investigation. he also had democratic ties, posting a picture of himself with hillary clinton in 2014, on
his twitter page with the #hillary clinton fan. cohen has also donated money to candidates on both sides of the aisle including democrat senator chuck schumer of new york and republican senator john mccain of arizona. cohen recently became a registered republican, too, he was reg staersd democrat in january of 2017. in march of that year, he tweet heed was making the official move to join the republican party adding that it, quote, took a great man at poe tuesday to get me to make the switch. >> shepard: thanks, laura engle. all of the news on president trump's former campaign chairman and former fixer overshadowed, charges gains popular republican lawmaker from southern california. the feds are using the california congressman duncan hunter, and his wife, of spending hundreds of thousands of campaign dollars on themselves. paying for everything from lavish trips to fast food.
again, this was the man, the second in all of congress, to endorse president trump. the first to endorse president trump has found his own trouble. details on all of this, just ahead. if you have psoriasis, ...
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understand is that his plea agreement actually says that it does not bind any other agency or law enforcement agency. so this isn't surprising that the new york state tax division is looking at this. also, his plea agreement calls for him to file amended tax returns. new york state officials look at those amended tax returns as evidence of criminal action. if he didn't pay the federal taxes he didn't pay the state taxes. >> shepard: if he was, for instance, making payments for services rendered or anything else, from the foundation, which you're not really allowed to do, and should have had a tax liability on such things, then this might expose that. >> well, the charity you remember, is not taxable. so that's a tax exempt organization. >> shepard: that's kind of the point. >> and i think some of the issues are what they use, the charity to do. the attorney general's office under barbara underwood,
actually had imposed punitive measures on members of trump's family, jared kushner, ivanka trump. it's a question whether this was not acting a as nonprofit. if it was acting in a for-profit way there be would be tax liability. >> shepard: that probe is under way, renew of the civil probe, now moving on to that. as for yesterday, michael cohen has known donald trump for a long time. under oath, implicated the. of the united states a melanie. what do you do with -- for a felony. what do you do with that? >> for mr. trump? >> shepard: how does the system react to that in challenging times? . under normal circumstances the person that he implicated would also be charged. obviously, there is a, it appear das -- >> shepard: if the president weren't the president under these circumstances he would be channelled. >> correct, correct. it would lead to a -- the indictment would be sealed so that mr. cohen could cooperate so that the person that he's cooperating against knows. this is a public indictment -- public plea agreement.
the president knows obviously it's all over the news that he's the person that michael cohen is referring to, then-candidate. what it means is that this is more ammunition, more fuel for the mueller investigation. a question of which route mr. mueller takes, whether he goes against the sitting -- standing d.o.j. policies, indict the sitting president, or use it for the president for impeachment purposes. >> shepard: not as if the president and his team couldn't mount a vigorous defense, they certainly could. >> sure, if it gets to that point. >> shepard: the point is just because he says it doesn't mean the president, you know, has committed any crime. he gets a chance to defend himself under any circumstance. >> of course. but understand what goes into a plea agreement here, it was federal prosecutors, they would vet this is a proper plea, a judge, article three j.j., appointed by president judge pauley, respected judge, makes sure this was a crime. and allow this plea to go
forward. and they did view that. and i think southern district of new york feels confident in making this plea. naming -- without naming president trump, naming president trump. >> shepard: nice to see you, thank you. some democrats on capitol hill want to dli the confirmation process for the supreme court nominee, now that the president's former attorney and campaign chair are facing prison time. cohen pleaded guilty, the jury convicted fan manafort in an extraordinary five-minute period yesterday. judge brett kavanaugh has been meeting with the senators on capitol hill ahead of his confirmation hearing as is custom. chuck schumer says the manafort and cohen cases are a game changer. peter doocy live on capitol hill. peter? >> shep, one of the democratic senators who had been planning to hear the president's nominee out crossed their meeting off her calendar today.
>> i will be cancelling my appointment with judge kavanaugh, because i choose not to extend a courtesy to this president who is an unindicted co-conspirator to this president, the corte sieve meeting with his nominee for the supreme court, a lifetime appointment. >> as far as we know president trump has not been identified as an unnamed co-conspirator in any indictment. like the senator said. that doesn't mean the democrats aren't trying to stop the kavanaugh proceedings, something that the senate minority whip, dick durbin, was pushing for. he told news the hallway seems to me at the minimum we should be withholding this decision about a supreme court nominee until the air is cleared. but there is one thing the democrats don't have right now, to hold up the proceedings. that is enough votes. shep? >> shepard: no, they don't, they couldn't do it without republicans. what are you hearing from republicans? >> they don't want to change the schedule. the judiciary commit any the senate put out a statement
saying justice breyer's confirmation occurred when. clinton's records had been subpoenaed by a grand jury. we're nowhere close to that situation. . calls to delay the hearing are the latest tactic from opponents who decided to vote no weeks ago, franticly looking for anything that sticks. the hearing will begin as planned on september 4. senator marco rubio, republican from florida, is pushing his colleagues to stick to their agenda. >> they will continue to do so, judge kavanaugh, is extremely qualified, i look forward to voting for him. >> there are no republicans who are reaching across the is a toll the democrats saying we will help you hold up kavanaugh. shep? >> shepard: peter doocy, live on capitol hill, thank you. a republican lawmaker and his wife now accused of dropping a quarter million in campaign cash on personal expenses. a federal grand jury has now
charged the california congressman duncan hunter and his wife, margaret, for using the campaign money for vacations, theater tickets, their kids' tuition, even fast food. one example, prosecutors say the couple used the money to take a vacation to it aly in 2015. -- to italy. they say the congressman tried to set up a tour of a naval facility to justify the trip. but when the timing didn't work out, he reportedly told his chief of staff to, quote, tell the navy to go blank themselves. congressman duncan hunter says the feds are carrying out a political agenda. he was the second member of congress to support president trump openly and says that's a big factor. the congressman also says he and his wife are excited to go to trial and prove their innocence. william is live in the west coast news hub, that might be another first. >> using campaign money for personal items is elly, why
prosecutors claim the couple tried on conceal how they spent the money. including trips as you said to italy and hah we wi relatives, children's private school tuition, theater tickets they claimed as gift baskets for supporters, ski trips, tequila shots, dental work claimed as charitable donation to smiles to life, even buying a pair of shorts. at a golf shop to claim golf because for wounded warriors. last night hunter's father, a former congressman, defended his son. >> it's politically motivated by hardcore democrats who want to get duncan hunter out of congress. >> now, hunter claims the indictment is a political hit job, two prosecutors once attended a hillary clinton fundraiser. yet u.s. attorneys office in southern california is run by a trump appointed republican who refused to hold this indictment until after the election. republicans considered east san diego a safe seat. now democrats who need just 23 seats to flip the house may have a chance to win.
hunter earns $174,000 a year, his wife contributes $36,000 as a campaign manager, yet according to the indictment the hunters spent substantially more than they earned, overdrawing their bank account more than 1,100 times over 7 years, resulting in $37,000 in overdraft fees. speaker ryan has stripped hunter of his committee assignments. this morning the san diego union trib called on hunter to resign. the two face arraignment tomorrow. >> shepard: william live in los angeles. we're waiting nor president trump to honor a fallen airman who died saving his fellow service members. we expect the medal of honor ceremony to begin in a few minutes, we'll bring it to you live as soon as it starts. , here's something you should know. there's a serious virus out there that 1 in 30 boomers has, yet most don't even know it. a virus that's been almost forgotten. it's hepatitis c. hep c can hide in the body for years without symptoms. left untreated it can lead to liver damage, even liver cancer.
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john chapman. back in 2002 a rocket propelled grenade hit the sergeant's helicopter and the navy seal fell on to a snowy mountain in afghanistan. sergeant chapman and a team of navy seals went back for their comrades. it led to an hours-long battle with al qaeda militants. the pentagon reported that other members of the team thought chop man had died and they had to leave him behind. but video from a drone said chapman kept fighting for another hour before the militants eventually killed him. e officials say he saved his teammates' lives. the president honors him on behalf of america. now here's president trump. ♪ .
>> mau you join me in prayer for those who desire. holy father, we thank you for this day. for this national recognition and for technical sergeant john chapman. lord, we enter this esteemed ceremony with hearts filed with grief and pride. our dpreef stems from the pain of than jo's sacrifice along with six other courageous americans that lost their lives in noble service to our nation in the cause of human freedom and dignity. our pride stems on this day focused upon the man you createed, gifted, and empowered with an unconventional resolve to operate selflessly in protecting his family, his teammates, and the world from the evil of terrorism. we thank you, lord, for the opportunity to honor john chapman with america's highest
decoration for his heroic valor. to honor the enduring sacrifice his family carries deeply within their hearts. and to honor the legacy, inspiration that john has infused into the mission, the leadership, and the operations of air force special tactics. lord, your just intent of overcoming evil with good in this world through human agency found fearless expression in john. even in the face of death so others may live. we thank you for john, we thank you for his family, we thank you for his unforgettable life and love shaped by your very spirit. father, as we move forward this day may your presence be tangbly known to than jo's appreciates family. as we move forward may john's sacrifice motivate selflessly duty to you, to country, and to humanity. as we move forward may we give thanks for our great nation, our great military, and our great
liberties that rest upon the bravery and blood of selfless patriots like technical sergeant john chapman. to this end we pray, amen. >> amen. >> president trump: thank you very much. please be seated, thank you. thank you, chaplain, very well done, beautiful. we're honored to be joined by members of congress, military leaders, distinguished guests from across our nation. i want to recognize secretary of the air force heather wilson, thank you heather. air force chief of staff david goldhein, thank you, it's been 19 years, i think, right? with the air force, to deal with the congressional medal of honor. congratulations. a long time. very dwee serving. -- deserving. air force undersecretary matthew done on sdran, air force vice
chief of staff steven wilson, and chief master sergeant of the air force kathleen wright. i also want to thank v.a. secretary robert wilke for joining us and you are doing a great job. the vets are very happy, hearing a lot of great reports. along with senators john bozeman, richard blumenthal, bob casey, chris murphy, and toomey and representative john gates and john larson. thank you for being here, thank you all very much, appreciate it. we're gathered together this afternoon to pay tribute to a fallen warrior, a great warrior, technical sergeant john chapman, and to award him our nation's highest and most revered military honor. would you all please join me in welcoming a wonderful family
that i just met in the oval office, the chapman family, thank you, please stand up. [applause] >> president trump: and to his beautiful wife, valerie, who agrees he was a brave man, right from the beginning. you knew. that i know this day is truly brought special meaning. exactly 26 years ago you married john. today is our great honor to share his incredible story with the world. so thank you very much, valerie, we appreciate it. and your daughters mad i sonl and brianna -- madison and brianne, a we award your dad the
congressional medal of honor. and i know he's looking down on you, right now, from heaven, proud of this day. but even more proud of the incredible young women that you have both become. it's great to know you. great to have met you, thank you. we're also grateful to be joined by john's wonderful mom, terri. his sister, laurie. his brother, kevin. and valerie's parents rita and jim novak, thank you all for being here. very great honor. [applause] though she could not be here today, somebody that john loved very much, his sister, tammy, please give our regards, thank you. i also want to recognize jack souza, john's friend and combat
control teammate, who is still recovering from a recent severe injury. jack, thank you for your noble service, thank you very much. we appreciate it. thank you, thank you jack. [applause] looks like you're doing well. doing well? good, thank you, jack. finally, we salute the five congressional medal of honor recipients who join us, woody williams, harvey barnham, eld ward buyers, brian thacker and brent slobinske. please stand. [applause]buyers, brian thacker slobinske. please stand. [applause]yers, brian thacker a slobinske. please stand. [applause] brave people. three months ago i awarded the medal of honor to brit for his
heroic actions in the battle we are talking about today. john chapman grew up in connecticut from a very young age, john was determined to protect those in need. in kindergarten, john noticed that his classmate, bill brooks, was being bullied. as bill says, john stepped in and saved me. in his high school yearbook, john quoted these words, give yourself before taking of some one else. very far-sighted. john lived by that motto, every single day. everybody that knew him said that's the way he lived. two years after he graduated high school, john enlisted in the united states air force. he was among the elite few to complete air force special tactics training, one of the most rigorous training programs in all of the military. john became an expert in deploying undetected on to the
battlefield to set up air fields, and direct fire support. now, john will become the first special tactics airman to receive the congressional medal of honor. john met valerie in pennsylvania while he was training with the army. it was a big day. good day, right? they married in 1992 and soon their love grew into a beautiful family. whenever john was home he immediately took on dad duty, reading to the girls, playing with them, and even building an amazing swing set. do you remember that? a long time ago. a swing set. soon after the terror attacks of september 11, john volunteered to deploy to afghanistan. he walked into his superior's office and said i need to go. in one of the most harrowing
engagements of operation enduring freedom, john was part of a highly-trained team on a combat mission to establish a secure position on the peak of tarkurgar mountain. in the early morning of march 4, 2002, john and his teammates were preparing to land on to the mountain when their helicopter was struck by heavy machine gunfire and a rocket-propelled grenade. they were under serious attack. as the helicopter lurched away, petty officer first class neil roberts was flung out of the aircraft and on to the top of the mountain. as the helicopter crash landed into the valley below. horrific crash. the team survived the crash and without hesitation they volunteered to return to the mountain. they wanted to get neil.
they landed into a deep snow and heavy machine gunfire coming from three different directions. couldn't even see, so many bullets. over 10,000 feet, they fought the enemy at the highest altitude of any battle in the history of the american military. john chapman was the first to charge up the mountain toward the enemy. he killed two terrorists and cleared out the first bunker. john left the safety of the first bunker to fire a second enemy grenade at another bunker. as john fired on the second bunker, he was shot and fell to the ground and lost consciousness. even though he was mortally wounded, john regained consciousness and continued to fight on. and he really fought. we have proof of that fight. he really fought. good genes. you have good genes. he immediately began firing at the enemy who was bombarding him
with machine gunfire and rocket-pro pild grenades. despite facing overwhelming force, john bravely and fiercely battled on for over an hour as another american quick reaction force helicopter approached. john engaged the enemy and provided covering fire in an attempt to prevent the enemy from shooting down our soldiers, our airmen, and that helicopter. in this final act of supreme courage, john gave his life for his fellow warriors. through his extraordinary sacrifice, john helped save more than 20 american service members, some of whom are here today. and i'd like to introduce them. sergeant major matthew lefriends, please stand up. thank you, sir. [applause] thank you sergeant major.
sergeant major raymond depauley, thank you, raymond. [applause] special tactics major gabriel brown. [applause] thank you. along with his team leader master chief brit slobinski. [applause] thank you, thank you all. and we also remember the six others who along with john gave their lives on that snowy, really, really cold afghan night. petty officer first class neil roberts, specialist mark anderson, sergeant bradley crows, senior airman jason cunningham, technical sergeant phillip svitak, corporal matthew cummings.
the greatestblingsings of our country are patriots like john and all of you that just stood and frankly many of the people in this room. i exclude myself and a few of the politicians. [laughing] who, like john, carry our freedom on their shoulders, march into the face of evil, and fight to their very last breath so that we can live in freedom and safety and peace. it is my privilege to ask valerie to join me on stage to accept the congressional medal of honor on behalf of the hero she loved and the hero our nation will forever remember, technical sergeant john chapman. thank you. please, please valerie, thank you. [applause] would the military aid meese come forward and read the citation. thank you.
>> the president of the united states of america has awarded in the name of congress the medal of honor posthumously to technical sergeant john a. chapman, united states air force conspicuous gallantry at the risk of life above and beyond the call of duty. technical sergeant john a. chapman twished himself by extraordinary heroism as an air force special tactic combat controller attached to a navy sea, air and land seal team conducting reconnaissance operations in afghanistan on march 4, 2002. during insertion the team's helicopter was ambushed, causing a teammate to fall into an entrenched group of combatants below. sergeant chapman and the team voluntarily reinserted on to the snow capped mountain into the heart of a known enemy stronghold to rescue con of their own.
without regard for his own safety, sergeant chapman immediately engaged, moving in the direction of the closest enemy position despite coming under heavy fire from multiple directions. he fearlessly charged an enemy bunker up a steep incline in thigh-deep snow and into hostile fire directly even gaujing the enemy. upon reaching the bunker, sergeant chapman assaulted and cleared the position killing all enemy occupants. with complete disregard for his own life, sergeant chapman deliberately moved from cover only 12 meeters from the enemy and exposed himself once again to attack a second bunker from which an implaced machine gun was firing on his team. during this assault from an assault position directory in the line of intense fire, sergeant chapman was struck and injured by enemy fire. despite severe mortal wounds he continued to fight relentless any, sustaining a violent engagement with multiple enemy personnel before making the ultimate sacrifice. by his heroic aks and extraordinary valor, sacrificing
his life for the lives of his teammates, technical sergeant chapman upheld the highest traditions of military service and reflected great credit upon himself and the united states air force. [ applause ] [cheers and applause] [cheers and applause]
[ applause ] >> for those of you who desire to join me in prayer once more. oh lord we thank you again for this honorable ceremony, for it is right to exalt integrity, courage, and valor. we thank you, again, for john's life and love that look beyond self preservation, to the preservation of others, to the preservation of human worth and dig nilt, to the preservation of righteous governance around the world. we thank you again for building this man's heart, his mind, and his fearless resolve that equally matched his war fighting skills.
so others may live. as we conclude may john's family be covered with your lavish love and peace. may the uniform sons of daughters of america know your empowerment and protection and may you hasten the day, oh, lord, where war will be no more. for your glory we pray, amen. >> amen.
for. and to give their family such an understanding moment. it is a wonderful tradition and a fantastic thing to watch. >> it is so unique. it is the first one for the air force since vietnam. that is 44 years. it is a long time or something so overdue. for john chapman, it was new drone technology that he survived on the mountaintop and fought for 70 minutes alone. this is an upgrade of a previous metal. the former secretary, deborah james pushed hard for this. this was a great day for his family. >> shepard: what a great day and a privilege for us to watch on behalf of a grateful nation, as the president put it. and certainly on behalf of those of us here. aside from that, we were glad to bring you that from start to finish without any interruption. aside from that, it get lots
PresidentShepardDonald-trumpLawMichael-cohenPaul-manafortFixerInterviewPrisonConvicted-manafortBankFox-friends>> look, again, i think that's a ridiculous accusation. the president in this matter has done nothing wrong and there are no charges against him. >> reporter: today on twitter, the president falsely claimed that, quote, "michael cohen pled guilty to two counts of campaign finance violations that are not a crime." they are, indeed, a crime, spelled out by federal prosecutors. and on fox news, the president floating another defense. >> did you know about the payments? >> later on i knew. later on. but you have to understand, what he did, and they weren't taken out of campaign finance, that's the big thing, that's a much bigger thing. did they come out of the campaign? they didn't come out of the campaign. they came from me. >> reporter: but lawyers say that still doesn't make it legal if the money was never disclosed. and cohen has released a secretly recorded conversation with the president seeming to discuss another hush money arrangement weeks before the election. >> when it comes time for the financing, which will be -- >> listen. what financing? >> we'll have to pay --
no, no. i got -- no, no, no. >> reporter: the president now blasting his one-time right-hand man, but publicly, he has nothing but love for his former campaign chairman paul manafort, convicted of defrauding the federal government and now facing life behind bars. >> he is evaluating all of his options at this point. >> reporter: the president tweeting, "feel very badly for paul manafort and his wonderful family. unlike michael cohen, he refused to break. make up stories in order to get a deal. such respect for a brave man." >> positive words there for paul manafort tonight. cecilia vega joins us from the white house. and cecilia, president trump refusing to rule out a pardon for manafort. >> reporter: david, so far, he says he is not thinking about a pardon for paul manafort, but in a matter of weeks, manafort goes back on trial, facing a second set of charges, potentially even more time behind bars. so, the pressure right now is on. does he plead guilty as part of a deal for leniency, david, or does he hold out hope for a presidential pardon?
we will soon find out. >> all right, cecilia vega leading us off tonight. cecilia, thank you. as i mentioned at the top, michael cohen tonight is signaling he's ready to talk to the special counsel, and not just about those payments. michael cohen's attorney is now suggesting cohen is ready to talk about something else. here's abc's chief national affairs correspondent tom llamas tonight. >> reporter: leaving court, michael cohen was silent. michael, what's your message to the president? michael, what's your message to the president? doing all the talking today, his lawyer, lanny davis, and he was asked if his client is ready to tell all to special counsel robert mueller. >> yes. 100%. >> reporter: michael cohen claims that just before the election, president trump himself directed an effort to silence two women who claimed to have had affairs with him. prosecutors say they have a mountain of evidence about the hush money scheme. documents, seized electronic devices and audio recordings made by cohen. also, text messages, phone records, e-mails. all of this on top of witness testimony. cohen's lawyer says his client is ready to talk, and not just
about payoffs, but about russian hacking and what president trump might have known. >> russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. >> reporter: cohen's attorney now suggesting his client has information about whether donald trump knew in advance about the russian hacking. when democrats e-mails were later distributed by wikileaks. >> i can tell you that mr. cohen has knowledge on certain subjects that should be of interest to the special counsel. knowledge about the computer crime of hacking and whether or not mr. trump knew ahead of time about that crime and even cheered it on. >> reporter: cohen has pleaded guilty to eight felony charges, but there was no agreement to cooperate with the federal government. he's hoping that sharing information with investigators now will help reduce his prison sentence. >> would michael cohen accept a presidential pardon? does he want one? >> he will not and does not want
anything from donald trump. after working for him all of those years, he came to the recognition that donald trump is a president unsuitable to have that office. >> so, let's get to tom llamas with us again tonight. and tom, michael cohen is scheduled to be sentenced on december 12th. it would appear tonight he's very eager to talk with state and federal investigators. and you have news this evening about a new subpoena? >> reporter: that's right. a new development there, david. this has to do with the donald j. trump foundation. you'll remember, that was the president's charitable organization. in june, they were sued by the new york attorney general, accused of self-dealing and illegally coordinating with the trump campaign. according to "the new york times," michael cohen received that subpoena today and called state investigators back, david, asking them when they were ready to talk. david? >> tom llamas with us again tonight. thank you, tom. next this evening here, new developments in the murder of that college student in iowa. the suspect was in court for the first time today. prosecutors say he kidnapped and
killed mollie tibbetts while she was jogging, dumping her body in a corn field. authorities say he was in the u.s. illegally, and that he used a false i.d. to get work. abc's alex perez from iowa again tonight. >> mr. rivera, did you kill mollie tibbetts? >> reporter: tonight, the man accused of murdering mollie tibbetts arriving in an iowa courthouse, shackled and escorted by deputies, 24-year-old cristhian rivera facing a judge. >> mr. rivera, you have been charged with murder in the first degree. >> reporter: rivera listening to the charges through a translator. his girlfriend and family in the courtroom. authorities say rivera confessed to abducting and killing mollie tibbetts while she was out for a jog, dumping her body in a corn field. investigators say they cracked the case using surveillance footage showing the suspect's car near mollie during her run. >> frame by frame and in real-time motion and eventually saw mollie on the video, led us to mr. rivera, identifying the vehicle. >> reporter: according to investigators, rivera, who is
from mexico, was in the country illegally. tonight, the owner of the farm where he worked saying rivera lied. >> what we learned in the last 24 hours is that our employee was not who he said he was. >> reporter: the farm now says when they hired rivera four years ago, they screened him through an older system instead of homeland security's e-verify. >> and alex perez back with us tonight. and alex, tonight, cristhian rivera remains behind bars? >> reporter: that's right, david. the judge ordered he be held on $5 million cash bond. we are also hearing from mollie's family tonight. they issued a statement thanking the public for their love and saying their hearts are broken. david? >> alex perez with us again tonight. thank you, alex. we're going to move on here this evening and to that monster hurricane now closing in on hawaii. the state of emergency already in effect at this hour. hurricane lane as seen from space, now a massive category 4 storm. winds up to 155 miles per hour. more than 1.5 million families and tourists there now bracing for this storm. and abc's gio benitez is right there in hawaii.
>> reporter: tonight, residents rushing to stores and gas stations, loading up on food, water and gas, as lane, a major category 4 hurricane, barrels towards hawaii. >> right now, forecast to stay close to the entire state. >> reporter: hurricane hunters flying inside lane's eye as the storm reached category 5 strength. schools closed. this search and rescue team from san diego flying in to help. >> this hurricane lane is a dangerous storm. and we got to take it very, very seriously. >> reporter: many tourists in the middle of vacations here caught offguard. >> we are not prepared for this. we are going to go to the airport and hopefully get on a flight to maui tomorrow. >> and gio benitez is live from honolulu. a sunny day there, but don't be fooled by that, because officials are warning people to prepare and they're warning them to pay attention to the hours on this thing, the timing, because time is running out. >> reporter: that's right, david. the big island will start feeling those tropical storm conditions in just a few hours. we're talking about the possibility of 20-foot waves,
devastating flooding and perhaps even some landslides. david? >> gio benitez with us tonight from hawaii. let's get right to chief meteorologist ginger zee. you've been tracking this storm all day. where is it right now? >> reporter: this is a hurricane, david, by the way, that has already made history. it is the closest a category 5 hurricane has ever made it to hawaii. so, that's a big news. but it is also a category 4 that is right near it. you can see, nearly dwarfing those islands at this point. moving west-northwest at 8 miles per hour. it still has max sustained winds of easily 155 miles per hour. now, gusts, these are impacts, right, of 75-plus. rain in the 10 to 20-inch range and waves 10 to 20 feet. the path takes it very close to honolulu. friday into saturday, that's when we'll see the heaviest impacts on the islands farthest west. david? >> all right, ginger zee with us tonight. and we'll be tracking this through the coming hours. ginger, thank you. we do turn overseas tonight, and to afghanistan, and the new front in america's longest war. our team learning weeks ago of initial u.s. talks with the taliban now. tonight, our senior foreign correspondent ian pannell takes
us inside one of the most dangerous prisons in the world, right there in afghanistan, filled with taliban prisoners. and right through those prison bars, telling ian their message for the u.s. >> reporter: tonight, we get exclusive access inside the most notorious jail in afghanistan. pole charkhi prison is dangerous, overcrowded, home to thousands of death row terrorists. home to america's sworn enemy for the last 17 years, the taliban. you can see the prisoners shackled to one another. we're heading into one of the main prisons in afghanistan today that houses 4,000 convicted terrorists. we're going here to try to talk to the taliban, but the prison guards are worried. they've told us it's not safe inside. the inmates approach us from the other side of the bars. men who have attacked and killed u.s. and afghan soldiers and civilians. among them, this man, a quiet, english-speaking doctor from afghanistan, also a hard core taliban fighter.
what would you like to say to the american people, to the fathers and mothers of soldiers who have been killed, to the american government? >> american soldiers should leave our country. we have the ability to fight up to 30 years. >> reporter: you won't stop? >> no. we will not stop the fight against american soldiers. >> reporter: other prisoners are eager to talk. this man says he has no problem with other afghans, just the foreigners who invaded, the americans. these exclusive pictures were taken for abc news from inside taliban territory. they now have control or influence over more than half the country, with their own government, police, courts. and this is the man in charge of trying to beat them. commander of all u.s. and foreign troops here, four-star general john nicholson. we fly over land the taliban often attacks. >> it's where the 9/11 originated from. >> reporter: we've been given details of a secret meeting once
unthinkable. american diplomats with the state department quietly initiating talks with the taliban. how would you feel about sitting down and talking to the taliban? >> we want to end this war. we want to end it on terms that protect our nation, our homelands and provide a lower level of violence for the afghans. so, if that were necessary, then absolutely. >> reporter: but the taliban get a say, too, and back at the prison tonight, they're firm. no peace until the americans leave. ian pannell, abc news, kabul, afghanistan. >> ian pannell, our thanks to you again tonight. and there is still much more ahead on "world news tonight" this wednesday. the congressman and his wife indicted. authorities say they spent thousands in your money. 11,000 at costco and a trip to italy. also, the new alligator attack tonight. what we've now learned. the engine of a passenger plane sparking and then igniting. you can see it in the air. and the inferno in l.a.
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next tonight here, the stunning time indictments of california congressman duncan hunter and his wife. prosecutors now accusing them of spending campaign funds, your money, at costco, tuition for their kids, a trip to italy. tonight, the congressman now responding, and here's linsey davis. >> reporter: the california congressman accused of using campaign money as a personal piggy bank, tonight, defiant. >> this is the new department of justice. this is the democrats' arm of law enforcement. that's what's happening right now. it's happening with trump and it's happening with me. >> reporter: but in a 47-page indictment, prosecutors allege duncan hunter and his wife used a quarter million dollars in campaign money and falsified documents to pay for personal expenses they could not otherwise afford. including more than $11,000 at costco, $6,000 for their kids' tuition and more than $14,000 for a family thanksgiving vacation to italy. in that instance, prosecutors
say, in an attempt to legitimize the spending, the marine vet attempted to set up a tour of a u.s. naval facility in italy. when navy officials couldn't offer one on that date, prosecutors say hunter subsequently told his chief of staff, "tell the navy to go expletive themselves." prosecutors say the spending happened when their accounts were overdrawn, racking up $27,000 insufficient funds fees in seven years. tonight, hunter, who was among the first members of congress to endorse donald trump, is refusing calls to step down, calling the allegations politically motivated. and hunter is also refusing to give up his committee duties, so, the republicans will then have to vote in september to have him removed. now, remember, this is the second indictment of a house republican and an early trump endorser this month alone. democrats now think that both seats could now be in play for the midterms. david? >> linsey, thank you. when we come back here tonight, the newest alligator attack. and more on that emergency landing after the engine of a passenger plane ignites.
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collude and corrupt the american democracy system in the 2016 election which the trump tower meeting was all about. but also, knowledge about the computer crime of hacking and whether or not mr. trump knew ahead of time. >> lanny davis will be joining me in just a moment. so stick around. the president's involvement of a federal crime. despite having been caught, his role. despite the audio tape we have all heard, the president and cohen planning the mcdougal payment. the president says he didn't know about the hush money until after the facts. >> did you know about the payments? >> later on, i knew. later on i knew. but you have to understand ainsley, what he did, and they
lawyer and assistance to tell a story. >> that is useful, but the legal question here is michael flynn pleaded guilty and cooperated and we never heard about it sort of on the outside. just strange to me, our conversations already happening to mueller. has michael cohen already talked to the investigators? >> i can't answer that question. i have to, unfortunately there are several key questions that i am not able to answer, chris. but i can say that his commitment is to tell everything he knows and tell the truth. he felt on july 2nd when this began that he wanted to hit the reset button for his life in telling the truth and expressing his concerns about donald trump as president.
so he is committed in telling the truth whether it is the special counsel mr. mueller, owning up to his responsibilities as difficult as it was to the southern district prosecutors. and as you noted in the opening report, he has accepted the fact that he is responsible, pled guilty and he is going to go and be incarcerated. >> you think he is going to do jail time? >> yes, i believe that is the case. there is no understanding to the contrary. >> when he says, he says he is doing this for his family, what does that mean? is his family at all exposed legally? >> well, they are suffering personally from two children about dad, wonderful wife looking at husband and father going to prison. they are also suffering deeply
from economic adversity and absent resources. they are living in a hotel only because there was a flood in their apartment from the apartment above. >> sorry. i want to zoom in on the question. are there people in the family who face legal exposure? >> no i don't believe you. i'm sorry i misunderstood your question. the economic distress is clear. >> he furnished the audio tape which has proved to be an important piece of evidence. does he have in his possession other pieces of evidence whether they be documents or recordings that would implicate the president in criminal activity? >> i don't know the answer to that question. even if i did, i couldn't tell you as the investigation
continues, both mr. mueller as well as the southern district prosecutors continue to examine the facts now. now we have the attorney general in new york. and there is an awkwardness to my doing as you said, all of these television shows there, is so much that i can't respond to. >> i will ask you about michael cohen's reputation which you say you are trying to defend. he pleaded to a federal crime that involved an extremely significant act in furthering the election of donald trump by committing felonies that help to get donald trump elected. do you understand why people do not view him as some kind of object of sympathy or you know, heroism because what he did was extremely damaging to, in the views of millions of americans. >> i not only understand, that is the challenge of what i do as a profession. people don't come to me and say
i have great news for you. they come to me with troubles. and i try to start with the basics of taking responsibility, explaining the reasons why mistakes were made and serious ones in the case of mr. cohen and then try to set things right. the most important thing i have tried to do starting with july 2nd in the interview. >> to help understand the president's legal jeopardy, joined by jill win-banks and jeff ackerman. what is the legal applications. >> we don't know what -- i can't believe that he would have pled guilty to exposure of almost six
years in prison without having some knowledge that he has got information that would be helpful to the mueller investigation. it is inconceivable to me that that would not have been discussed beforehand. >> also, jill, what is striking to me, the trump orb shows up. executives are named in there. what is the significance of that. >> well the significance of that of course is that the corporation could also be found for tax violations. for example, if they reduced their payable taxes by claiming
that the legal fees paid to michael cohen which were phony legal fees, and they were actually hush money, if they deducted that, that is a violation of the tax code. but you hit on the main question that i have about this whole thing which is if he really wants to cooperate, why is he doing it through the public? why didn't lanny davis call up the mueller office and say hi, we would like to come up and make a proffer. that is the normal way to do it. when john dean was cooperating, he called and said i want to come in and make a proffer. he talked to us. and told us what he wanted to say. and that is when he started cooperating. >> the idea that he came a come to jesus doesn't stand for a second. he was forced for some reason. >> they were coming up with major bank fraud charges. he was facing huge amounts of prison time just like paul
that happened in watergate. they are deliberately trying, even if you can't prove that they worked with the russian government which seemed to me there is plenty of evidence of that too. just on this alone, they were deliberately trying to conceal information that would influence the election and help him win election >> jill is absolutely on the spot there. you have to look at what happened in the context of everything else that was going on in the campaign at the time. the "access hollywood" tape. all of these women coming out of the wood work that was accusing trump. trump was calling them liars. you had lots of controversy just before the comey tape came out. so all of this happened in that context and it wasn't only when he was running for office but after he was elected, they are still going through this. phonying up documents. >> while he is the sitting president. reimbursing him on monthly basis.
>> phony documents, phony invoices. this is something that is right out of the organized crime book. this looks more like a mafia family than it does the president of the united states and the first family. >> not only that -- yeah. go ahead. >> i can't understand how congress can let this happen and do nothing and for any congressman to say it is up to the legal system, it is up to the legal system but it is also up to congress. this is clearly impeachable offenses. a president that is out of control and conducting himself that is hurting america dramatically and something has to be done about it. >> they have a neat two-step they do. the president can't be indicted and then they say no charges. bounce back and forth. great to have you both. how will congress proceed in
simple, easy, awesome. in many cultures, young men would stay with their families until their 40's. now the president's long time attorney general and closest associates admitted in court that donald trump directed him to exit a felony. congress is left with the question what to do with that information. republicans have the power to open an investigation of course into trump's alleged involvement but no indication they will do that. democrats on the other hand want to use the opportunity to delay the confirmation process of supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh. >> the kavanaugh hearing should be postponed. >> i choose not to extend the courtesy to this president. >> we should not be right now
confirming any supreme court justice. >> the senate judiciary should immediately pause the consideration of the kavanaugh nomination. >> joining me now is chris murphy democrat. do you agree with your colleagues? >> there are lots of reasons we should be pressing the pause. there seems to be a reason why republicans are holding back some of the most important documents from his time in the white house. and clearly some important questions to be answered. we need kavanaugh to be open with us. and whether he believes that presidents need to answer subpoenas. the most likely question that is going to come in a supreme court is going to be over an argument on whether donald trump needs to testify to mueller.
it is increasingly unlikely that trump's lawyers want him to get into a position to perjure himself. seems to be one that kavanaugh has to answer and i would hope republicans and democrats would agree he has to answer that question affirmatively before getting confirmed. >> there is a broader question about how you take the facts that you are learning and the questions, the profound questions about the president's legitimacy to be quite frank and deal with being a member of the senate. is there a fact pattern at which everything should stop? >> yeah, so i think that is a really important question and one that i am grappling with in real time. it is somewhat of an arbitrary distinction to say the supreme court hearing process should stop but the president should be
able to go on appointing other judges, running the armed forces and making all sorts of decisions. ultimately the founding fathers gave the power, the power of impeachment. so i guess i do worry about congress deciding that the president has lost legitimacy absent an impeachment conversation. and so listen, we will get a report from mueller and when we do, we will have that conversation. but before that, i think the difficult thing to decide. >> let me ask you this, there are people who say, and i think they have a decent argument that what was alleged, sworn to in federal court yesterday and seems to be endorsed by the southern district is itself is an impeachable defense. are they right? >> well, i think it is important for us to have in front of us,
the evidence that leads the prosecutor to that decision. now we have cohen's testimony but we may other evidence whether it is documents or audio tape to that affect as well. the reason that some of us are punting on that question a little bit today is because we take the indictment at face value and we think that we need all of the evidence before us. >> you are punting on it because you are worried about the politics, isn't that the sub text here? >> a good reason why want mueller to provide us with a report. we want all of the facts in front of you. republicans are wrong because -- i think it is important for us to have all of the facts in front of us. and mueller, has to think at this point about giving us preliminary findings. i mean, there is nothing that stops mueller from saying here is what i know right now and continue on other things.
>> from a transparency stand point, i'm a journalist. with all of us operating with some big thing in a black box that we can't see seems almost maddening. there are some set of facts that we need what happened one a or another. >> process to give us information and what happened yesterday probably compels him to show some cards. not all, but some cards to the extent of what is a proper address to congress. >> and that need will increase because as we were talking about, it will be hard for congress to decide what functions are legitimate going forward and what are illegitimate.
>> the president tweeted this morning some kind words. justice took a 12-year-old tax case among other things and applied tremendous pressure on him and unlike michael cohen he refused to break. what signals have to be sent from your colleagues to be sent. >> and i think republicans need to say to trump effectively what they said on the mueller investigation. republicans give clear signals to trump about six months ago that the red line was the firing of mueller. and that is in part why the investigation proceeds. they have got to say the same thing about a pardon to manafort and that tweet makes it clear to everyone what the reason for that pardon would be. manafort's success in refusing to cooperate. he effectively admitted in that tweet why we would pardon him.
so i haven't heard that definitively from republicans today and what we know is unless republicans draw that line, is trump is going to take advantage of that. thank you. we know of two apparent criminal conspiracies that both worked to get donald trump elected. the uncharted territory the country is in next.
hacking the dnc distributing e-mails. to help trump get elected. michael cohen says he was directed by donald trump to illegally cover up damaging information in order to help get trump elected. i am joined by charlie pierce who compared what happened to watergate and jess mckintosh. >> and i want to start with you jess. we learned yesterday in federal court that there was a criminal conspiracy to cover up damaging information. and i wanted the timing here. the "wall street journal" ran a
story the the release of that made it more urgent that those stories not come out. what do you think about that? >> i think that donald trump's president is illegitimate. it means if you break u.s. laws to get the white house you are not a legitimate president. >> what does that word mean? chris murphy said i am uncomfortable about using the word illegitimate. >> i am using it rhetorically. i know the founders didn't put anything in place. that is what we are dealing with right now. that is the reality of the situation. it is upon all of the democrats that are in office to make a lot of noise and for americans to make a lot of noise. it involves being in the treats and very loud.
especially if we know that he is trying to appoint one who believes that a president can't be investigated or indicted and will probably have to rule on that. >> very soon. >> charlie, you compared this to watergate. and nixon trounced mcgovern by such a margin, that they didn't run the conspiracy, but it is not to run that thought experiment in this case. >> you are absolutely right. and i want to point out and i think jeffrey tubin was the first to point it out. but what michael cohen did in court yesterday which is basically to incriminate the president, none of the watergate guys did that. even john dean didn't do that in front of the senate.
he laid out the fact and let you draw out your own conclusions. but michael cohen went under oath and accused the president of the united states of violating the law. and that is a step up from watergate. >> you are a campaign finance expert and have reported on it for a while and an argument you have seen floated and emerge, oh, everybody is breaking campaign finance law here and there. does that stand for you? >> no. no one does this. this is super rare. there are lots of paper violations of campaign finance laws and they are civil and it is like speeding. they are often accidental. people give too much money by accident because they send in three checks instead of two. and we have a totally different thing here. knowful and willful violation of campaign.
people go to jail for that. it doesn't get prosecuted as often as you think. and somebody sets out, let's hide this money. that is against the law and it is criminal. >> it was hiding a scandal so nobody would know. the money was being hidden but what really was being hidden was the multiple mistresses. and reported it, then it would be reported. so not like an accident and we decided to do it this way. >> speaking of coming at it from the hillary clinton campaign perspective, that day, that the "access hollywood" tape drop, which we did not realize that that was the day michael cohen stormy daniels payments.
both criminal conspiracies that were in the works to elect donald trump saw what happened with the "access hollywood" tape and saw that it was going to take him down and republicans were fleeing and they both went to work to stop it. >> if they had padded these payments into the legal payments, and had don mcgahn's law firm to pay it, no one would have none and it is bone headed. >> yeah. charlie? >> a couple of things if you take a step back that is going on here. without our completely ben jaxed campaign system. you wouldn't have this lagoon of money sloshing around. everything that happened yesterday including the utterly amazing duncan hunter indictment. all of that has to do with a rotten to the core campaign finance system and the other
thing is, and chris, you may have mentioned this on twitter, and i say this in context of the prisoner strike today. we do a rotten job prosecuting white collar crime. >> yes there, is a national prison strike happening right now. millions of people behind bars day in and day out for all kinds of offenses. manafort and cohen were doing these things for years. >> the way that white supremacy works is it starts by saying who laws are applicable to. you set a law and only certain people have to follow it. law and nothing happens. right now we are seeing a president who has broken the law and his inner circle who has
broken the law and they are taking babies away from parent who is have committed misdemeanors crossing the border without documentation. >> i can't help but wonder how many unprosecuted paul manaforts and and michael cohens are out there. are a distinct kind or a larger cohort that gets away with it because they are not close to the president of the united states. >> my suspicion is this kind of money laundering and shell moving, is ubiquitous. and by understanding how ubiquitous it is, those mechanisms are everywhere. and not only for criminal
>> charlie, what one thing strikes me is how much the language of mob movies and cop dramas are the language of this president and inner circles. flip, he didn't break, rat, all of that stuff. it is remarkable. >> it is the argot. they want to talk like these guys. you have rudy giuliani out there behaving like one of the crazy defense attorneys from "law and order." at least the president has defined his persona by the character he plays on television. borrow are dialogue from cheap mob movies. i wait for rudy giuliani to come
on somebody's show and drop a dead fish on the desk. >> thank you all. still ahead, congresswoman maxine waters on the president's collection of indictments. speaking of endorsing, no one does it better than the president. that is tonight's thing one, thing two. next.
thing one tonight donald trump's rallying in west virginia was a bit muted for obvious reasons but found one thing to get excited about. >> in my record, look, i don't want to brag about it, but man, do i have a good record of endorsements. they said if you get an endorsement from ronald reagan, it was a wonderful thing to have but it didn't move the needle. i am not saying it from my standpoint, they are going 20, 30, 40, 50 points. it's crazy. and then you watch the news. will this endorsement mean anything. it is going to mean a lot. >> it's true. donald trump is really good at endorsements just ask this guy. >> wyoming has smiled on me and my family.
and now i am running for government. i know what it takes to foster to raise taxes. >> how did foster fair with trump's complete and total endorse amount, think two in 60 seconds.
>> they are going 20, 30, 40, 50 points. it's crazy. >> so last night was the big election. did foster friess win? >> billionaire foster freiss falls short. beaten by mark gordon in the gop primary. >> i don't want to brag about it, but man, do i have a good record of endorsement. each of us is different. and each cancer is different. how it reacts, how it evades and adapts. and how we attack it. that's why at cancer treatment centers of america, we use diagnostic tools that help us better understand what drives each person's cancer. this is what we mean by outsmarting cancer.
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so a huge story that got buried yesterday. it involves a second member of congress. congressman duncan hunter, republican from california. >> duncan, thank you very much. you better vote for these guys forever, we are never letting them go >> the only member of now, duncan hunter is once again following in chris collins footsteps. hunter and his wife were indicted yesterday on dozens of federal criminal charges accusing them of pilfering more
than a quarter million dollars in campaign funds and trying to cover it up by filing false records with the sec. they golfed, they bought makeup, they paid for airline tickets for friends and relatives and invested in tequila shots and gourmet steaks. the hunters overdrew their bank accounts more than a thousand times. some details are bananas. when hunter told margaret that he was planning to buy my hawaii shorts they could falsely describe it later as some golf balls for the wounded warriors. calling the prosecution a witch hunt led by a corrupt justice department. >> this is the new department of justice. this is the democrats' arm of law enforcement.
that's what happened right now. it happened with trump and with me. >> fact check, jeff sessions does run the justice department. i'll ask another member, congresswoman maxine waters about the corrupt trump --
criminal, has surrounded himself with criminals. i would wonder about your thinking after yesterday. >> i'm thinking this is just the tip of the iceberg, that, yes, manafort was convicted on eight counts and cohen came in and pleaded guilty to eight counts. i have felt this, basically taken a look at this whole crowd, these allies of the president, their relationship to putin, their relationship to the kremlin and oligarches and relationships that will come out with money laundering. i expect this to unfold. i think it will keep unfolding and we will find there's more criminality among this group. there will be more convictions, and, yes, the president is involved.
>> i want to ask you a political question. there's a certain line of thinking that says people couldn't care about the mueller probe, they don't care about the russia stuff or even manafort and stuff. i thought this was interesting, two polls from forks today, mueller's approval rating is quite good. 59% approve and 37% disapprove. the congressional ballot gap is 49% to 38%. do you think democrats should talk about these issues on the campaign trail in the mid-terms? >> i've always felt we could walk and chew gum at the same time. i know some of the democrats are saying, please don't mention the word impeachment, don't worry about the investigation, let mueller take care of that. we have to talk about our issues. we can do both, talk about healthcare and obamacare and medicaid and medicare, we can talk about the infrastructure and how it needs to be built up. we can talk about all of these
things at the same time. we can't turn a blind eye to this president who is destroying this country. this president, the leader of this country, comes to us with a reputation. this is a man who comes with a reputation of not paying his contractors, cheating subcontractors with a fake university, where he cheated students who thought they were going to learn how to become developers. this is a man who has come with the kind of reputation, racism, coding applications for apartments that -- so they would not have to rent them to african-americans and people of color. this is a man who has demonstrated, in more than several ways who he is. he is a flawed character. i think for us to sit blindly by and pretend we don't have to deal with it, somebody else is going to sit it in our laps, really does not speak to what we're thinking about our
responsibility in the congress of the united states of america. and so i think we can do both. that's what i've been doing. >> there are two members of congress republicans have been indicted, chris collins and duncan hunter, early supporters of the president. obviously the president has people around him indicted or pleaded. as democrats take a message about corruption to voters, i want to ask about menendez, a sitting senator from new jersey. backed by the democratic party, had a federal trial that evolved around corruption charges. was it a mistake for democrats to anonymously back menendez given what you're seeing on corruption developed? >> let me say this. both on the democratic side and republican side, these are individuals who have decided to take certain actions that are criminal.
i don't say that trump was somehow, you know, in collusion with hunter, i say that he was in collusion with putin and with the kremlin and oligarches. these individual problems that pop up on either side of the aisle are basically that. individuals who decided to make bad decisions about how they handle themselves. in the case of menendez, he was exonerated. >> he wasn't exonerated, it was a mistrial. >> mistrial, all right. >> congresswoman, maxine waters, thanks for your time.
PresidentMichael-cohenCampaignTrumpBeginningOrganizationPleaNew-yorkIndictmentState-investigatorsKnow-cohenLottonight, breaking news as we come on the air. president trump's longtime personal fixer and lawyer michael cohen. new filings in court just in tonight. prosecutors in one case saying he committed several federal crimes motivated by personal greed. they're recommending years in prison. also just in, a new filing from robert mueller. what he's now saying about michael cohen and prison time as well. also breaking news on paul manafort, coming in now. also tonight, the dangerous storm system barreling east. conditionsn roads.ng dangerous togh takaces oemergency clared thrkettdoi ict ju iofourotesters at that white nationalist rally in
charlottesville, killing a young woman. was it panic, or was it deliberate? what the jury just decided. the manhunt at this hour. an inmate escaping in shackles, stealing a prison van. authorities warning he's armed and dangerous. the oscar shake-up. actor and comedian kevin hart is out as host after the academy tells him to apologize for comments he made in the past. tonight, what he said, and how he's responding now. the porch pirate. a young girl seen stealing a package. investigators want to know who put their little girl up to this. and the major recall this friday night involving common drugs for your heart and blood pressure. good evening. it's great to have you here on a busy friday night. several developing headlines as we come on the air. we begin with the president tonight, and his longtime lawyer and personal fixer, michael cohen. two major filings just a short
time ago. prosecutors urging a judge to sentence cohen to substantial prison time, 42 months in prison recommended, saying he committed crimes motivated by personal greed. this case, in the southern district of new york. at the same time, another filing involving cohen, this one from robert mueller's team. cohen was interviewed for 70 hours by that team, and they're saying the information cohen provided has been credible and consistent with other evidence obtained. but they remain silent when it comes to any prison recommendation. so, federal prison looks likely. president trump reacting. pierre thomas leads us off. >> reporter: michael cohen, leaving his home today, after imploring prosecutors not to put him behind bars. they did not buy it. tonight, the u.s. attorney in
new york denouncing cohen's "extensive, deliberate, and serious criminal conduct," saying he "sought to influence the election from the shadows," "motivated by personal greed and ambition." the sentencing recommendation, a "substantial prison term." cohen, president trump's former personal attorney and fixer, pleaded guilty to crimes including tax evasion and making illegal campaign contributions. he admitted facilitating hush payments to porn star stormy daniels and "playboy" playmate karen mcdougal to cover up their alleged affairs with candidate donald trump, the man he once said he'd take a bullet for. >> i'm obviously very loyal and very dedicated to mr. trump. >> reporter: but under fire, cohen turned on his old boss, telling prosecutors trump ordered the hush money payments himself. he then sat down for more than 70 hourssel robert m. he sd he was motivated bof famil but the u. attorney dn't buy that either, writing tonight, "any suggestion by cohen that his meetings with law enforcement reflect a selfless
and unprompted about-face are overstated." that his "consciousness of wrongdoing is fleeting. his remorse is minimal, and his instinct to blame others is strong." for his part, mueller submitted his own court filing tonight. he and cohen struck a deal, with cohen pleading guilty to a separate charge of lying to congress about the president's business dealings with russia during the campaign. mueller did not make a sentencing recommendation, but told the court that cohen has "gone to significant lengths to assist the special counsel," providing "useful information concerning russia-related matters core to its investigation." according to documents, cohen provided investigators new details about russian efforts to contact the trump campaign during the election. they say the information was credible, and consistent with other evidence obtained in the ongoing investigation. >> let's get to pierre live from washington. robert mueller, also filing new documents in the case of paul manafort. mueller cancelled manafort's
plea agreement, saying he had lied to investigators. tonight, the special counsel explaining some of those accusations? >> reporter: that's right. we have a new court filing, mueller accusing manafort of lying about his contacts with a russian national suspected of ties to russian intelligence. and mueller claims that manafort lied about contacts with officials in the trump administration as recently as this year. david? >> pierre, thank you. one more question on this tonight. let's get to dan abrams. when it comes to michael cohen, there are two cases. one in the southern district of new york, and the other case, the russia investigation. it was the prosecutors in new york urging 42 months in federal prison. robert mueller not getting in the way of this. not recommending any less. >> right, the southern district of new york is talking about campaign finance violations and tax evasion.
robert mueller is saying he's been helpful, but we're not asking for any additional leniency in connection with that other case. we're okay if he serves his time for us at the same time, but we're not asking for anything below four to five years. >> so, bottom line, a significant amount of federal prison time could be very likely. >> yes, very likely. >> dan, thank you. president trump has been furious michael cohen flipped, essentially cooperating with mueller in the end. tonight, the president tweeting, totally clears the president. thank you. jon karl on the president, who has been taking aim at mueller all day, knowing this was coming. >> reporter: bracing for the special counsel's court filings tonight, president trump launched a series of twitter attacks on robert mueller. and he declared, we will be doing a major counter report to the mueller report. this should never again be allowed to happen to a future president of the united states!
already 87 pages done, he tweeted. all this, as the increasingly embattled president took fire from the secretary of state he fired. rex tillerson, offering up a harsh assessment of the president he served. >> he is a challenging individual. a man who is pretty undisciplined, doesn't like to read, doesn't read briefing reports, doesn't like to get into the details of a lot of things. >> reporter: tillerson saying he needed to remind the president to obey the law. >> we did not have a common value system. when the president would say, here's what i want to do, and here's how i want to do it, and i'd have to say to him, well, mr. president, i understand what you want to do, but you can't do it that way. it violates the law. >> reporter: after tillerson's words today, the president tweeted, tillerson didn't have the mental capacity needed. he was dumb as a rock. he was lazy as hell. >> jon karl with us live tonight
from the white house. president trump today announcing his nominee for attorney general, who would replace jeff sessions. and could eventually oversee the russia investigation. you have news on that. and more on the tweet from the president, saying it totally clears me, thank you. what does he mean by that? >> reporter: well, there's nothing in these filings, david, that clears the president. so, it's unclear why he's claiming that. nothing in any of these filings says anything that would suggest totally clearing the president. regarding his pick for attorney general, an experienced washington hand, william barr. he served as attorney general for the elder george bush many years ago. >> jon, thank you. and tonight, after turmoil all week on wall street, the dow losing more than 500 points at the close. falling 558 points, and more than 1,000 for the week. fueling new concern today, the
jobs report. 155,000 new jobs in november, but that was slightly lower than expected. and, of course, the ongoing trade tensions with china. rebecca jarvis, on wall street tonight. >> reporter: tonight, an ugly end to a wild week on wall street. the dow, down nearly 560 points today. more than 4% lower for the week. the worst start to december since 2008. at issue, fears the u.s. economy could be facing a slowdown next year. and worries a prolonged tariff fight with china will harm american businesses and consumers. >> we'll be discussing trade. >> reporter: coming out of president trump's meeting with china's president xi at the g-20 summit, initial optimism over that 90-day tariff truce giving way to uncerta the pr but also that his team is working to see if a deal is actually possible. >> we are one tweet away from the market going up 1,000 points or down 1,000 points.
>> reporter: for the typical 401(k), the year's earlier gains, now wiped out. if you started 2018 with a $10,000 nest egg in stocks, today you'd have about $150 less. >> rebecca, these wild swings could eventually impact just about everyone, right? even if you're not following a 401(k)? >> reporter: that's right. think about it like this. these wild swings impact consumer confidence, how we spend our money. which has a ripple effect on the economy and jobs. even if you don't have a penny invested in stocks right now, it still hits your bottom line in the long run. >> rebecca, thank you. we turn next to the dangerous storm system barreling east. weathea.ofencylain the system already unleashing g. rescue of two people oat disabled by the storm. this evening, airlines are
offering waivers already. amtrak offering changes. let's get to rob marciano, tracking it all. several states will be affected this weekend. >> reporter: absolutely. you saw what it did to california and now it's moving to the eastern cold air. and the flood threat in texas is for real. the flood watch up for there and louisiana. and winter storm warnings posted for north carolina. heavy rain across houston. and austin, san antonio, 3 to 5 inches overnight. it should move out quickly, but i think we'll see some flooding. down i-10 tomorrow through new orleans, and pensacola, south of atlanta. owcosee 2 inches just ide ryo next to the breaking news from charlottesville, virginia. there is a verdict in the trial of a man who drove his car into counter protesters. killing a young woman. erielle reshef with the verdict. >> reporter: tonight, that guilty verdict for the man who
plowed his car into a crowd at a unite the right rally in charlottesville, killing one woman and injuring nearly three dozen. james fields, convicted of first degree murder in the death of 32-year-old heather heyer. fields seen here in 2017 speeding through that group of people and then erratically backing up. a state jury rejecting arguments by fields' attorneys that the 21-year-old acted in self-defense. quote, "scared to death" by the violent protests. a far different picture painted by the prosecution, pointing to images of fields marching with vanguard america, a known white supremacist group. >> white sharia now! white sharia now! >> reporter: chanting a message of white power just before that fatal ramming. david, jurors also convicted fields on several other charges. he faces up to life in prison. he is due to be sentenced monday. >> erielle, thank you. and next to the inmate
getting away from a prison van, jumping into the van with the motor running, driving away in handcuffs. ramming another policear getting away. officials say there was a firearm in the van. and he should be considered armed and dangerous. today, his fiancee is pleading for him to turn himself in. a heartbreaking new revelation about the massacre in thousand oaks, california. just last month, 12 people were killed, including officer ron helus. we've now learned the attacker shot him five times, but it was a friendly fire bullet from another officer that ended up piercing his heart and ending his life. we're going to turn next to the investigation into possible ballot fraud in north carolina. tonight, the board of elections has named mccrae dowless as a person of interest in an absentee ballot and voter turnout operation that has called the results of one election into question tonight. and steve osunsami tracking him down, the man at the center of
this operation. what he says. >> reporter: he's in deep trouble, and we found him tonight in rural north carolina. >> i have no comment. >> reporter: mccrae dowless, the hired political hand accused of forging hundreds of absentee ballots to help republicans win the ninth congressional seat. what do you say to people who say you rigged the election? >> no comment. >> reporter: so, you refute any allegations that you rigged the election? >> contact my attorney. >> reporter: state investigators are now calling him a person of interest, and point to these signatures showing he turned in more 500 absentee ballots from rural bladen county. people he signed for are now concerned he may have changed their vote. cheryl kinlaw is one of the people he hired to collect the ballots. >> i feel bad now that i know that it wasn't legal, but i didn't know at the time. >> reporter: less than 1,000 votes decided the election. and the only county where mail-in ballots went for the republican was this one. >> thank god for bladen and union counties.
>> reporter: on election night, it seemed republican pastor mark harris had defeated democrat dan mccready. but now mccready, a marine corps veteran, is withdrawing his concession. >> i didn't serve overseas in the marine corps just to come back home and watch politicians and career criminals attack our democracy. >> reporter: tonight, harris, who has been subpoenaed by investigators, is breaking his silence. >> although i was absolutely unaware of any wrongdoing, that will not prevent me from cooperating with this investigation. >> reporter: the republican says he would support a new election if the fraud is real enough to change the results. election officials say they may need a new one. a former fbi agent is heading up the investigation. david? >> steve, thank you. and from hawaii, a ceremony to mark the 77th anniversary of the attack on pearl harbor. the ceremony honoring the 2,400 american service members who were lost that day. about 20 survivors of the attack were there. some of the heroes of the greatest generation. there is still much more
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overnight, the comedian took to twitter, writing, "i have made the choice to step down from hosting this year's oscars. this is because i do not want to be a distraction on a night that should be celebrated by so many amazing, talented artists." hart's resignation as oscar host comes after critics called out his past homophobic sentiments. >> if i can prevent my son from being gay, i will. >> reporter: hart first responded to the backlash on instagram. >> if you don't believe that people change, grow, evolve, as they get older, i don't know what to tell you. >> reporter: his defiance then fanned the flames, with some calling for the academy to ax hart as host of the awards on abc. hart took to instagram again. >> so, i just got a call from the academy and that call basically said, kevin, apologize for your tweets of old or we'll have to move on and find another host. i chose to pass on that apology. >> after initially saying he had already addressed the comments, he apologized for his
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watch what happened one october night when santa clara police responded to the home of rubin foster on a domestic incident call, something the team says they didn't know about until a month later. tonight, we're live in oakland for the return of first fridays. see what changed to keep the community event safe. live where you live, this is "abc 7 news." we know it is the biggest challenge of our time, so we need to look at every possibility. >> risingohe challenge to come up with ways to keep the city from losing the affordable housing battle while ensuring that folks are not evicted from their homes. good evening, thank you for joining us. i'm dan ashley. >> i'm ama daetz. "abc 7 news" is committed to building a better bay area so we're looking at the big issues and what could help make them better. >> you know, issues don't get bigger than housing and san francisco continues to lose affordable housing almost as quickly as it builds it. >> the city keeps track of how many new units are market rate
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