pakistan. i know that u.s. forces are worried about these new rat lines because of the difficulty in trying to in trying to cut them off, if you will. that s why we see so many operational u.s. forces that are stationed east of kandahar and east of kabul up in the mountains. and so this is a tough problem, but unless the pakistanis play the game, unless they cooperate with us and do their share in shutting down these rat lines, those infiltrations will continue for years to come, jamie. jamie: it s in their interest to do that, i hope they re listening to you. in the meantime we re looking at secretary gates and he made the trip to iraq first for the formal turnover ceremonies and then to afghanistan, and president karzai, who has been supportive over the years, now seems to have some differences of opinion with secretary gates. where does that stand and does that put our troops at risk if they are not on the same page? very interesting, jamie. after the president s speech,