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About this moment. i dont share that. our colleague andrew weissman and mary mcchord have a podcast where they interviewed the former conservative appellate judge that advised former vice president pence in the days leading up to january 6th. he basically said to andrew, this moment makes me sad because former president trump brought this on all of us. but it is a stain on our nation if hes indicted for election interference and we shouldnt lose sight of is that. the weight of the moment as ken ...

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Together. i wasnt surprised to see a stream lined indictment against trump just four charges with all of the facts in there. this is neat, clean, and this has a chance of going to trial before the election and thats exactly what jack smith did. he knows what hes doing and he did it here. >> ryan, neat and clean. is that how you would describe it? i was just asking ty to get to this. you look at a bohemoth. this is laid out very clear. very focused on the things he said, they knew they were false...

This process to overturn the entire election, come at it from many different angles. give me your take on where you see a possible charge coming, and which aspect of that alleged crime would be the most or perhaps even the most secure to prosecute at this stage? >> yeah, look, we spend a lot of time talking about the lawyers and the process. the facts are what really drives this. the facts here are stunning. we had an intentional plan by the former president and co-conspirators to disrupt the tr...

Extravagantly stretched the statutes in order to try to capture this behavior. thats because this is really a proxy for what should have been a political impeachment process. they are leaving to the criminal justice system the failure of congress to carry out a successful impeachment. >> bret: jonathan, you go through this and been reading through the pages here whats not here folks dealing with the january 6th rioters. remember some 1100 people have been charged with that -- in relation to that...

Its probably with good reason because theres no need for the government to try to prove that mr. donald trump desired violence, although, that certainly happened. the other statutes mentioned in the target letter are all compelling cases. in other words, that he tried to thwart the peaceful transition of presidential power. that in and of itself is as compelling a criminal case as i can imagine. >> without getting into the state courts because i know thats a separate situation, but in these fede...

>> lets move to the january 6th investigation. obviously, there are all these tea leaves that something is imminent, perhaps its this coming week. we assume the grand jury is going to meet again. theyve actually outlined what their -- we know what hes been targeted to do. its interesting that -- theyre not hitting him for the insurrection itself. explain that. >> right. so first, we do think something else is coming and with good reason. mr. trump received a target letter when i was a federal pr...

Go up to a circuit court of appeals which has plenty of judges that might be favorable. if all roads lead to the supreme court, the president would have a fantastic opportunity to argue issues of law before a supreme court which is the last resort and shows leanings towards the president. ive given you defenses which have virtually nothing to do with the facts. they have a lot to do with other strategies. >> procedural, just stretch it out. lets move on to this. the special counsels election int...

(via YouTube)Youve got to give Judge James Ho credit -- hes remarkably committed to the bit. The Fifth Circuit judge nurtures his reputation with the MAGA cro

Obviously doj has heard these criticisms of folks like myself and others so they are going to have a hard time putting humpty back together again, this agreement was too much of a sweetheart deal so hunter biden, in the following weeks may have to be charged because these indications are running and two statutes of limitations, they are barred from charges for 14 or 15 tax years which were both felonies. >> it certainly is the biggest political corruption story in my lifetime but more troubling ...