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demonstrators, before he emerged from the white house. george floyd's death has been declared a homicide in an official postmortem examination. his brother visits a memorial and calls for peace. if i'm not over here messing up my community, then what are y'all doing? what are y'all doing?! y'all doing? what are y'all doing?! y'all doing nothing! that's not going to bring my brother back at all. here, ministers look at ways to relax the government's 14—day travel quarantine for people coming into the uk, because of potential damage to the travel industry. more than £4,000 was wiped off the average house price in may — the biggest monthy fall in 11 years. our top story — the violent protests across the united states triggered by the death in police custody of the black man george floyd. in an address at the white house — as protestors nearby were dispersed with tear gas and rubber bullets — president trump said he was prepared to deploy thousands of heavily armed troops to end the rioting and looting. he said mayors and state governors must establish an overwhelming law enforcement presence on the streets, and if they didn't act, he would send in the us military. that is why i am taking immediate presidential action to stop the violence and restore security and safety in america. i am mobilising all available federal resources, civilian and military, to stop the rioting and looting, to end the destruction and arson and to protect the rights of law—abiding americans, including your second amendment rights. today i have strongly recommended to every governor to deploy the national guard in sufficient numbers that we dominate the streets. mayors and governors must establish an overwhelming law enforcement presence until the violence has been quelled. if a city or state refuses to take the actions that are necessary to defend the life and property of their residents, then will deploy the united states military and quickly solve the problem for them. thank you very much. and now i'm going to pay my respects to a very, very special place. thank you very much. reporter: mr president, your thoughts right now? sirens wail. president trump had told state governors earlier that most of them were weak, he said they should dominate the protestors or look like "a bunch ofjerks." and he said minnesota — where george floyd died after a white police officer knelt on his neck for nearly nine minutes — was a laughing stock. this was minnesota governor tim walz‘s response he was saying of the world was laughing at the states who were not taking action. i said no one's laughing here. we are in pain, we are crying. we saw a man lose his life in front of them, and our challenge is that this is about social trust, social contacts and re—establishing faith in the people who are there to serve them. and ijust mentioned that. and i also shared with the president that a posture of force on the ground is both unsustainable militarily, it's also unsustainable socially, because it's the antithesis of how we live, it's the antithesis of civilian control. so i expressed that on the call. the official postmortem examination of george floyd has declared his death a homicide as a result of compression to the neck while being restrained. the official report was published shortly after an post—morten commissioned by the floyd family concluded he died from asphyxiation. earlier, his brother, terence, visited the scene of george floyd's arrest — and death — where a makeshift memorial has been established. and he spoke to the crowds there. in every case of police brutality, the same thing has been happening. y'all protest, y'all destroy stuff and they don't move. you know why they don't move? because it's not their stuff, it's our stuff, so they want us to destroy our stuff. that's right. they are not going to move. so let's do this another way. that's right, come on, now. let's do this another way. crowd cheers. jared goyette is a freelance reporter, he was covering the protests in minneapolis when he was hit by a rubber bullet. tell our audience in britain what it was like? either set the scene of the third precinct, the police station closest to where the killing of george floyd occurred. i saw a protester that was seriously injured andi protester that was seriously injured and i tried to document what was happening to him, the efforts to help and treat him. people carried that protester off to the side, i thought it was safer but the front line, if you will, where the police we re line, if you will, where the police were shifting, just as they managed to get that protester in a car to a hospital, i was blindsided by a projectile, presumably a rubber bullet, all around me people were being hit by rubber bullets and several journalists that they were hit by rubber bullets and i had the unlucky... i was unlucky enough to catch it in the eye. people rushed to help me, that they had onlyjust help me up when we were tear gassed andi help me up when we were tear gassed and i had one fully closed eye and one tear gas to eye, but i my way to safety. we can see the redness and the damage underneath your eye. in terms of the relationship between the people who are protesting at the police, how would you describe that? i would describe it as thinly veiled hatred or anger. from which side to which side? both sides. based on my personal experience, the anger from the police extend to the media as well. i think it is important to understand that since 2015 we have had a year after year after year of protest over the police killing of unarmed civilians, usually black men, in one case an australian woman in her pyjamas, but year after get protests. it has defined our politics, there has been pent—up anger that things have not improved, you have pent up energy with the pandemic and people at home, that was part of the circumstances that produced what we saw and felt. can i ask you about the make—up of protesters ? ma ny ask you about the make—up of protesters? many people would like to be involved in peaceful demonstrations over the death of george floyd, we know president trump has suggested that antifa is involved and he wants to declare that a terrorist organisation, there is always toe also the question of white supremacists using it as an example to stir up hatred? both of those organisations are useful boogie men depending on who you are. antifa has no visible presence on the streets here. there have been reports of white supremacists making themselves seen and visible, that has been documented. i am right now in the heart of north neapolis, one of the largest black communities, i have been patrolling not with police but with community patrol setup —— north minneapolis. mostly arms, residents trying to make sure their businesses are safe and their homes are safe businesses are safe and their homes a re safe not businesses are safe and their homes are safe not from protesters but from opportunity took advantage to attack businesses and set fires. their fear attack businesses and set fires. theirfear is attack businesses and set fires. their fear is that white supremacists will take control of this moment and attack them. thank you for talking to us, we appreciate your time. president trump's call for the police to ‘dominate' the streets was also met with strong criticism from at least one police chief — in houston, texas, art avecado said "let me just say this to the president of the united states, on behalf of the police chiefs of this country, please, if you don't have something constructive to say, keep your mouth shut." a number of officers across the us have been seen walking with protesters, some have taken a knee in protest at racial injustice, there have been handshakes and hugs. between demonstrators and security officers. eric ham is a political analyst in washington. he does not have any affiliation with any particular party. thank you very much for talking to us, what has it been like in washington overnight? tonight has been relatively calm in comparison to the last few nights we have seen where fires have been set and buildings have been burnt, windows smashed out of places and, of course, that historic church across the street from the white house has been defaced. this is a microcosm of the anger and frustration, the pain that so anger and frustration, the pain that so many americans anger and frustration, the pain that so many americans across anger and frustration, the pain that so many americans across the country are feeling. much of that anger at least in washington is directed at the white house, the epicentre of political power in this country. the president's comments tonight certainly did very little if anything actual to quell that anger and frustration and i think in fact it has made things much, much worse. i want to ask you why you believe president trump walk to that church, which had been damage the previous evening by demonstrators, and held up evening by demonstrators, and held up the bible in front of eight, after having to get law enforcement officers to disperse the crowds before he could do that? it is the irony of what the president did, which i think is so illustrative of what we had seen from this president throughout his tenure in the white house. this is a president who, prior to walking over to that church, gives a speech talking about the second amendment, talking about law and order, nothing about the anguish, nothing about the rapid inequality, nothing about the dehumanisation of people of colour who have been gunned down by police officers, and then to walk to a church which is symbolic of healing, the church is symbolic of forgiveness, symbolic of nonviolence, and his path to that very church was marked by the violence of the state on peaceful protesters and demonstrators, and then when the president gets to the church we do not see the president praying, we do not see the president reading scripture, we see the president that has a photo op. we heard from the bishop of the church that they were not aware the president was coming, it was not sanctioned by the church itself and again the president using the church asa again the president using the church as a prop. and in this case a political prop. we know the president's base is made up of evangelicals, and that goes may be a long way towards pacifying them. but again what we're seeing across the country is a nation desperately needing leadership, looking for healing, they simply did not get it the president. the family of george floyd had said they do not want violence in his name. wejust heard mr floyd's brother urging people not to get involved in the looting and the ransacking to get involved in the looting and the ra nsacking and to get involved in the looting and the ransacking and so on. what should the president do? he has talked about bringing in the military if governors can't sort out the violence, what do you think he should do? people are breaking the law. that's right, they are, and i think what the president should be doing is providing the resources that governors and mayors across the country will need in order to not only heal their communities and neighbourhoods but also bring about a level of stability and organisation. this is a president who had been pushing for weeks now to open the state up because of the pandemic that has been rocking the nation. and now we are seeing the perfect storm where you have covid—19 running up against the anarchy from the result of this brutal death of george floyd, and so the president needs to be providing resources that they need, not necessarily stroking flames and pitting groups against one another, andi pitting groups against one another, and i think that is what we are seeing this president do, once again using an opportunity of crisis to seek some sort of political gain, and right now the country need so much more than that. obviously what has happened to george floyd has touched people around the world. and the global reach of black lights matters and also blackout tuesday, which some viewers will be taking pa rt which some viewers will be taking part in, please explain what that is? lacko tuesday is a day when people of colour will typically spend it their own communities or with businesses run by people of colour. —— blackout tuesday. civil rights icon rosa parks was removed from a bus which began the bus boycott of montgomery anneka —— montgomery, alabama, where many people refuse to ride the bus and we saw the economic toll but took on the bus department at that time. so now we are seeing the bus department at that time. so now we are seeing that play out again, where people of colour, rather than spending money in mainstream operations and businesses, are spending their money with businesses run by people of colour. thank you very much for talking to us. eric ham, political a nalyst talking to us. eric ham, political analyst from washington. if you are taking part in blackout tuesday, you will probably know that radio 1 and radio1 extra are will probably know that radio 1 and radio 1 extra are taking will probably know that radio 1 and radio1 extra are taking part will probably know that radio 1 and radio 1 extra are taking part today. if it means something to you, tell us if it means something to you, tell us what it means, message me on twitter or send me an e—mail. i will bring you a report from associated press to do with what has been happening in las vegas, there had been demonstrations there, as there has been across many cities in there has been across many cities in the united states. associated press is reporting that a police officer in las vegas has been shot. we do not know the condition of the officer and we have one source at the moment, associated press, reporting that a las vegas police officer has been shot. we do not know the circumstances or the officer puts my condition, as soon as we have more information we will bring it to you this morning —— or the officer's condition. let's get more from minneapolis and cbs news correspondent michael george is there. i wonder if you have any more information on the reports of this shooting of an officer in vegas? we are waiting for more information on that as well, it is just coming in. here in minneapolis, a very different scene, despite the fact we have seen so much violence overnight across the us. it is about 3am local time, we are at the site where george floyd died and protesters are still here, even at 3am, peacefully protesting. it has been peaceful all night, we have not seen any police officers, police have let people come here and congregate and protest and chant and share their thoughts, we had seen a very different tone in minneapolis than in so many other cities, especially in dc and new york, now we are hearing about las vegas where things have been very violent at times. in minneapolis we are seeing a violent at times. in minneapolis we are seeing a very violent at times. in minneapolis we are seeing a very large police presence outside of this area, the national guard has been mobilised and if they see crowds violating the cu rfew and if they see crowds violating the curfew they have been arresting them. a few nights ago we were seeing the buildings and vandalism, we have not seen that for the last two nights in minneapolis, the message has been one of peace and justice for the floyd family. is that partly because mr floyd puts my brother, we played a clip of him to oui’ brother, we played a clip of him to our audience in britain, has said they do not want violence in his name and they have urged people to simply vote in the presidential election in november. that took place right here, the floyd family, he came right here and gave that message and certainly from my conversations with protesters here they do not want violence to take away from their message. there are murals here, people bringing flowers, there is a very sombre mood at this location. they consider the sacred ground, there has definitely been an intentional effort to try to avoid violence and keep language out of the chants, here. it is very, very moving to see that memorial behind you, and the people lighting candles. what kinds of things are they saying to you today? there is a national trauma taking place here. it is very difficult for all others to see americans beaten, americans tear gassed, arrested. it cuts to the core of all of us. there is so much pain here. there is so much anger here. and so people really wa nt anger here. and so people really want a space to express that and thatis want a space to express that and that is what this place has become, it has been that way. dates. we are grateful for your contribution to oui’ grateful for your contribution to our audience, thank you, michael. really appreciate it. measures to relax a 1k day quarantine for arrivals to the uk are being considered by government ministers. the proposed move comes amid signs of a rebellion among mps concerned about the impact of the quarantine on the aviation and tourism industries. andy moore reports. the beaches of spain, like here at malaga, are beginning to open up, but will we be able to get to them? spain's tourism minister says the uk's coronavirus figures will have to improve before british tourists can be welcomed back. and as well as problems at our intended destination, we'll also have to deal with two weeks' isolation when we return. that scheme has alarmed many in the tourism industry and on the back benches of the conservative party. we'll get more detail today, but the plan which starts next week will be reviewed every three weeks. one possibility to ease the quarantine is to create so—called air bridges or travel corridors to places with similar levels of infection. that might not come in the first review, but could come towards the end ofjuly, just at the start of the school holiday in england. the uk's test, track and trace programme is one of the keys to reducing levels of infection. it was launched last thursday, but we haven't heard much about it apart from reports of some staff having little to do. but mr hancock told the downing street press conference the vast majority of newly infected people and their contacts had been traced. we've hired, as you know, 25,000 people to work as contact tracers, and the level of incidence of disease has come down, and so, actually, we have more capacity than we need. this is a good thing. there were 111 deaths reported yesterday in all settings and an additional a45 deaths previously not reported where coronavirus tests were carried out in private labs. but the death rate is generally trending downwards and britain is beginning to open up again for business. a clear sign of that could be seen outside the 19 ikea stores that opened up for trade yesterday. at some places, up to 1,000 people were said to be queueing patiently and socially distanced lines. andy moore, bbc news. let's speak to stephen hammond, one conservative mp — and former health minister — who thinks quarantine is a bad idea. he is also a former parliamentary undersecretary for transport. you would like the government to change its mind? i would like to consider a targeted approach rather than the blanket approach is taken, i think there are plenty of ways we can introduce a targeting system which would reassure people and mitigate the health risks that allow people to travel around and also show that britain is open for business. give us some britain is open for business. give us some suggestions of what a targeted approach would mean to you? travel corridors, call it what you like, between countries of relatively low transmission, where the r rate is relatively low. you could look at pre—travel trusting, temperature tests at airports, ensuring that people are wearing ppe all through airports and on planes —— you could look at pre—travel testing. you could keep quarantine restrictions for high—risk areas. what is wrong with the plan as you see it at the moment? it is a binding approach, everybody must quarantine. what is wrong with the medical evidence is equivocal, symmetrical people say it will help, others say it will not. there are so many exemptions being posed that actually it's likely undermines the whole point. if your philosophy for doing this is it is designed to keep transmissions low, if you have that many exceptions i think a lot of people will be slightly surprised that that will work and now a targeted approach is much more likely to have greater public agreement and probably likely to keep safer. on the subject of exemptions, the guardian said this morning they had seen draft plans on this 14 day travel quarantine which have yet to be published or late before people like yourself, they say the draft plan suggest that tens of thousands of people coming into the uk will still be able to go food shopping, change accommodation and get on trains, planes and other elements of public transport during their 14 day quarantine? that slightly makes my point for me, if you're going to allow those widespread exemptions, why have the system in place anyway? as mr hancock quite rightly said yesterday, traits, tracking and testing is getting better, we have seen testing is getting better, we have seen the government's measures work intensive transmission rates coming lower, the medical evidence about whether this will really help is equivocal. if you will allow others exemptions, if you really think you wa nt to exemptions, if you really think you want to make the transmission rate below you either do it without those exemptions or you debate in a way i am suggesting, dare i say, a more targeted way. provides why are they doing it in a more targeted way right now? —— doing it in a more targeted way right now? -- why aren't they doing it any more targeted way right now? i know the government is considering that either before it brings the measures in week or at the first review in june 29, measures in week or at the first review injune 29, i would strongly urge them to think about getting targeted measures in place. briefly you just said test, tracking and tracing is getting better. how do you know? i listened very carefully to what the health secretary said last night and i heard the question from one of your colleagues that not enough people let not enough of the traces seem to be occupied, but matt hancock made the point that that means that more people are doing what they have been asked to do, there are other ways of tracking them. i listened carefully to the health secretary, he said it is getting better and i am certainly prepared to give the health secretary his credence for that. thank you very much, stephen hammond, conservative mp and former health minister. mps return to westminster today, almost two months since the introduction of virtual voting and a limit of 50 mps in the house of commons at any one time. many of them return. a vote on whether to reverse these measures has faced criticism from some mps, who argue that the most vulnerable, will be unable to have their say. but the leader of the house of commons says democracy will "once again flourish." let's speak now to conservative mp robert halfon, who has been shielding at home during the coronavirus pandemic. hello to you, thank you for talking to us. would you be able to tell our audience why you cannot go back to westminster yourself?” audience why you cannot go back to westminster yourself? i want parliament to go back, i think it is incredibly important we set an example to the nation, but what is democratically unjust and entirely wrong is to say to those mps who genuinely cannot go back if they are shielding, self isolating or unwell, that they will be denied their fundamental parliamentary duty which is to vote. in essence that is making us all parliamentary eunuchs. there is absolutely no reason why you can't have a hybrid system where mps who can't commit and vote online 01’ even mps who can't commit and vote online or even by proxy. in fact, those mps, rightly, on the territory, for example, could vote by proxy but those affected by covid are not. parliamentary eunuchs, that is quite a striking phrase. whenjacob rees—mogg, leader of the house, says democracy will flourish once more, what do you to him? there was a famed historian mcauley who described my party, and ina pro conservative, but he described my party as stern and unbending. —— and ina proud conservative. jacob rees—mogg is being stern and impending and failing to light as mps, who are not able to come in, i would be in tomorrow, i love parliament, i believe it is the greatest in the world, it is a privilege to be an mp, my gp last night said do not go in, i was really tempted to go in because i wa nted really tempted to go in because i wanted to vote today and this stern and unbending attitude of the powers that be is unfortunately why many people sometimes have problems with the conservative party, this is a classic example of that. there is no logic, no reason, nojustification for not allowing mps who genuinely cannot go into had some kind of vote, whether by proxy or online. it doesn't make sense, so what is going on? there are arch traditionalists in the house of commons, by the way, i am a traditionalist, i love parliament and the way it works but they seem to sort of take the attitude of the presence “— to sort of take the attitude of the presence —— the president of brazil, also narrow, who described coronavirus is the sniffles, if you cannot be there, tough luck. although i am able to participate in some parliamentary proceedings, i chair the education committee and bang goodness i am able to do that, but i am not allowed to do, the most fundamental duty of any mp is to vote and i am disenfranchising not just myself, the other mps, but each of us who are not allowed to vote, oui’ of us who are not allowed to vote, our constituents are being disenfranchised as well so they will have no voice, no proper voice in parliament, goodness knows how long and for no logical reason, except stubbornness is what the historian said, stern and unbending attitude by the powers that be. thank you very much. stay safe, stable, thank you for talking to us. we are going to talk about both of these issues, quarantine and that return to parliament with norman smith, at westminster. some really strong criticism from robert, there. yes, the reality is that jacob rees—mogg may well have to back off, the opposition parties clearly want some sort of hybrid, virtual parliament to continue. i think around seven tory chairman of select committees have signed a motion calling for the hybrid parliament to continue and the problem is basically this. although jacob rees—mogg the problem is basically this. althouthacob rees—mogg once parliament to return as normal, there's been no answer found to how oui’ there's been no answer found to how ourmps are going there's been no answer found to how our mps are going to vote, if you vote going through the lobbies you are rammed in, crushed in, know where you can socially distance so the only way so far devised to do it is by an extraordinary long queueing system which the speaker is proposing for the votes today, whereby mps would vote from the dispatch box by the speaker ‘s chair, all the way through the commons chamber, through the members lobby, through central lobby, turn right through since stephen's chapel, back into westminster hall, round that a couple of times, you would have acute more than a kilometre long because there are 650 mps, two metres apart, do the maths, it's an extraordinarily long queue. in other words, it would take, i guess, maybe an hour or more to do the votes so i think are faced with the votes so i think are faced with the resistance of many mps to abandoning virtual voting anyway, and the practicalities of the options, it seems to me quite possible that mps will say no thank you, we're going to stick with the hybrid parliament. on quarantine, will the government change its mind on that because of pressure from backbenchers or others?” on that because of pressure from backbenchers or others? i think it's extremely likely that the restrictions are going to have to be eased and the government is actually talking about trying to set up these air bridges to other countries. the difficulty is this. it's notjust a question of whether people coming from other countries would bring infections into the uk. we have to ta ke infections into the uk. we have to take account the views of the other countries. would people in spain or greece, for example, want brits going there when we still have, the ons going there when we still have, the 0ns estimates, around 8000 infections a day, much higher death rate than other countries. so the problem is not just rate than other countries. so the problem is notjust us saying we would like an air corridor, they have to want it as well. that has to be negotiated. so we can'tjust sort of turn on the switch and get these air corridors up and running, we have to strike deals with all these countries. and that, i think it may ta ke countries. and that, i think it may take some time so i think the restrictions will be eased but maybe not untiljuly. norman, thank you very much. drug gangs attempting to operate during the lockdown have been on a recruitment drive targeting vulnerable children increasingly girls. that's the conclusion of a new report to the government. let's get more on this from our home affairs correspondent tom symonds good morning to you. crime, broadley has gone down, there have been some exceptions. fight the concerns about this? there's a few things happening at once, crime has grown, gone down, gangs finding it hard to move drugs around, less people on the streets, less traffic on the road, they tend to blend in but equally, they are realising there is an opportunity, a lot of children who are vulnerable, difficult backgrounds, stuck at home, perhaps falling out with pa rents, home, perhaps falling out with parents, they don't have the possibility of going to school or going out to anywhere else and they are going out to anywhere else and they a re really going out to anywhere else and they are really going on the streets and being approached by, we are told, youth workers, sorry, by drug gangs and youth workers say this is a real concern because and youth workers say this is a real concern because they are losing track of children that they had an idea of where they were, who they we re idea of where they were, who they were talking to. until the lockdown started. and the real worried is about girls, it seems drug gangs, according to this report by the national youth agency, realising that girls are less likely to be spotted by the police, picked up, stopped, talked to, that sort of thing and they are being targeted and that's something a number of youth agencies are saying is happening now. ok. and so what do the youth workers say it needs to happen to help those who are being targeted by the drug gangs? we spent the whole of yesterday with various youth workers in bristol, there is a particular issue there. the thing they said most of all they needed was youth centre is to reopen. the biggest problem is this is where children go for their safe space, away from the kind of approach as they might get on the street, away from the troubles at home, perhaps. at its most importantly for youth workers gather intelligence about who these kids are seeing, what they are doing, what they are talking about and they say those centres have been shot. there are some one—to—one work going on which is helping, perhaps the most difficult cases are being dealt with but they are losing track and actually, the children's commissioner franklin said something quite striking, she thinks thousands of children who are vulnerable have gone off the radar and just vulnerable have gone off the radar andjust in vulnerable have gone off the radar and just in this period, when lockdown has been in place, we went toa lockdown has been in place, we went to a youth centre yesterday in bristol, totally close, get shot, nobody there for weeks and weeks and weeks. be concerned. —— gates shut. tom, thank you. twenty police forces across england, scotland and wales caught motorists driving at more than a hundred miles per hour during the early stages of the lockdown, according police data obtained by the rac. the highest speed was clocked at 151 miles—per—hour on the m62 motorway in west yorkshire. the rac described the speeds as "truly shocking" and warned that motorists travelling this fast have "virtually no time to react should anything unexpected happen". social distancing in the playground, just 15 pupils in a class and hand sanitiser on the desks — are just some of the measures being used to keep primary school children safe. pupils in reception, year one and year six in england, were able to return to the classroom yesterday, but some head teachers say parents are choosing to keep their children at home. john maguire has been to visit a school in northampton, to see how the first day back went. good morning, how are we? a virtual hug from the head teacher welcomes children back to roade primary school near northampton. a parent has turned up and given us a lovely donation. i'm trying to gently open it because i'm pretty sure that, yes, as soon as they get out into the staff, they are going to go down very well. even the head is wearing sports kit that can be easily laundered instead of a suit — just one difference. 2—metre stripes keep families distanced, and there is a one—way system for dropping children off, all done to keep those returning to school as safe as possible. she's really excited to be coming back. i think they've put a lot of effort into making it as safe as they can. i'm more than happy. i think it's an individual preference to every family. for beau, she's onlyjust turned five and started at school so i think she needs it for the social aspects, needs to get back into a routine. what are you most looking forward to about school? i most looking forward to see some of my friends and go back to school. along with the children of key workers, just over half the pupils eligible to return — that's reception, year 1 and year 6 — are back, all now separated into bubbles. have a nice day, won't you? preparing for this many children has been a major challenge. so far, so good. i mean, the biggest pleasure really was seeing the children come in and the big smiles and they're obviously very happy to be back. the staff have been amazing, absolutely brilliant, welcomed them. the bubbles are working, children have gone off to their rooms quite happily. it is a bit of a false dawn, though, because we've got such small numbers in each room, but it's doable, as it is at the moment. they are fortunate here to have a good deal of outdoor space and even the willow classroom. the virus is far less likely to spread in the fresh air. all i want to do know as a teacher is that i myself am not going to be a reason why another family gets ill or my own family gets ill. i know that young children are in the least concerned group. i'm happy to come back because of the preparation that we have here. many of the children are seeing friends again for the first time in 10 weeks. i'm actually getting to see people, because i don't have any brothers or sisters. been a bit bored, while i'm doing my school work at home. i was quite nervous about coming in because i didn't quite know what it was going to be like but now that i've got here, i know what it's like and i quite like the feeling of it because you've got your own desk, you have everything that you need and you canjust sit and get on with your work without any distractions. the children eat, learn and play, all in their bubbles. maximum size, 15. each and every part of the school day has been rethought and redesigned to provide reassurance. john maguire, bbc news, northamptonshire. more than £4,000 was wiped off the average house price in may, marking the biggest monthly fall in property values in 11 years, according to an index. the report from nationwide building society said that across the uk, property values fell by 1.7% month—on—month in may. we can talk to mark hayward who is the chief executive of the national association of estate agents. how do you react to these figures? i don't think we are surprised. the market was in lockdown for at least ten weeks. the house sales process has only just been ten weeks. the house sales process has onlyjust been reopened. so there is very, very little activity, i think, for its statistics to reflect but i think there is a re—evaluation from homeowners at the moment as to where they want to live, in what sort of property they wa nt to live, in what sort of property they want to live. but i think it's not something that people should fear, it's a pause, it is not a permanent end. 4000 knocked off the average house price in may, is it a lot, not a lot, how do you read it? you think the average house price in the uk, in england, the uk, around £260,000. it's not a huge amount but certainly it's not something to be ignored. i think the plethora of support measures the government is giving will encourage house moving, interest rates remain incredibly low. and if you look at the sort of economic supply and demand, we are still experiencing very, very low supply of houses currently to be bought. ok. so, is it a buyer 's market or a seller ‘s market? bought. ok. so, is it a buyer 's market or a seller 's market? we have more buyers than sellers, currently. i think people are being slightly cautious still, particularly if there is a second wave, there is obviously caution regarding employment. but the need to move remains, people have not been able to move for a considerable amount of time so those that have to move are now getting on with it. the chancellor of course i said we will have a recession like we have never seen have a recession like we have never seen before, quote on quote, i wonder what that will mean for your industry in the coming months?” think we will have to see. it depends on employment, it depends how effective the chancellor ‘s measures are. but people have to live somewhere, they have to move, interest rates are low and certainly, from the release of lockdown, the pent—up demand has been huge. thank you, thank you for talking to us. got some more figures for you. the governmentjust releasing statistics from coronavirus business loan schemes showing £21 billion in bounce back loa ns was showing £21 billion in bounce back loans was offered to 873,000 firms that applied. quite a bit more than was expected. new figures are for how the other schemes like the coronavirus business interruption loa n coronavirus business interruption loan scheme and the coronavirus large business loan interruption scheme is working. 0ur economics correspondent andy verity joins us. fill us in on these figures. bounce back loans were only brought in relatively late in the day, they weren't the original scheme and they we re weren't the original scheme and they were brought in partly because it became apparent the original scheme wasn't working very well to reach the hundreds of thousands of firms out there who are desperate for cash to try and stay in business. the fa ct to try and stay in business. the fact that £21 billion has been lent out to more than 870,000 firms, shows what demand there was for cash that was being frustrated by the original schemes. so if you look at the original scheme, the the coronavirus business interruption scheme, billed as part of a £300 billion package in the market march budget, you remember them? this was supposed to rescue corporate britain but the problem was the government was not renting 100% of any losses the banks were lending money might rack up. and therefore they were doing all the normal underwriting, the normal things, the checks they make in order to make sure they are co mforta ble make in order to make sure they are comfortable that their customer can't repay and of course, a lot of these customers couldn't demonstrate they had a business plan or the money they were going to make in the next few months because they did not know, no one knows, no one knows when the shutdown is going to let so the normal underwriting process wasn't really applicable here. and yet the banks are trying to apply it to customers who are saying, i'm desperate, it's not my fault, give me some money. the government turned around and did the bounce back loan scheme and clearly in the last month, £21 billion is a lot of money to lend more than twice as much as was lent under the original loan schemes. the business interruption loa n schemes. the business interruption loan scheme so it shows the desperation there is out there in corporate britain, in spite of all the government support there is, to find any way they can through this crisis. cheers, andy. let's get more on this now — and i'm joined by two small business owners. sarah ali choudhury is a chef who runs a catering business and took the bounce back loan scheme. she's in bournemouth. and also i'm joined by philippa lurcock, who runs phormular limited, an exhibition design and installation business. tell us what your job tell us what yourjob wasn't how it was affected by the pandemic.” tell us what yourjob wasn't how it was affected by the pandemic. i went round and did cookery demonstrations, at food festivals, somehow macrory cookery classes, that kind of thing, at the moment we cannot do anything like that so i've changed my business slightly, banks to covid 19. and decided changed my business slightly, banks to covid19. and decided to do a sort of coaching and mentoring for people who are going into a food business themselves, who are starting a business, so i can give them advice and help, so everything ican them advice and help, so everything i can offer will be digitally accessible. how much did you borrow from the government?” accessible. how much did you borrow from the government? i could have borrowed a lot more but i went for a smaller amount, £4000. how has it helped you? it's helped me a lot in terms of being able to get immediate access to equipment for setting up a new youtube channel, new website, and some things that are kind of readily available but all digitally accessible. i could have applied for more and i could have got more but what i was thinking was how would i pay it back? so that was my bigger concern. how long have you got to pay it back and forth the interest rate? the interest rate is 2.596 after 12 months of no interest. so then you've got six years to pay the whole amount back and if you pay anything, if you decide to pay it all off before the time, there are no fees. if you hadn't had that long, what would have happened to your business? well, i cannot do the cookery demonstrations, i cannot rent to houses, do cookery classes directly with people to be honest, the money is great to have, i don't know in terms of economic value, because nobody knows what's going to happen in the future, including rishi sunak, he doesn't know what's going to happen either! in terms of moving forward to the future i think this is a great way for me to quickly change my business but in terms of a more longer term, i think the structure that i'm setting up will provide me with strength to continue in a business rather than ifi continue in a business rather than if i carried on going back to what i was doing, and if we have another case of covid 19, it would mean what happens then? so for myself, this, i think, is a really good move. good to hear. philippa, hello. you run an exhibition and installation business. i want to check with you, do you see the possibility of earning any income at all this year? through your business? well, we were effectively closed at the start of march. the nec, the excel centre in london. at the start of march the entire book for 2020 was wiped out. as andy said in his report, we are desperate. we couldn't apply for the original loan scheme, we had no idea what that business landscape was going to look like but in answer to the original question, we are desperately trying to find ways to change our business. at the moment we are struggling. the only income we are struggling. the only income we have had is from a project we took to design and install customs stations for the coronavirus vaccine testing task force. that was a very small project, compared to my usual income, we are down about £100,000 on turnover at the minute. let me ask you, if i may, how much you borrow? we took a smaller amount. £50,000. in terms of our business, we are a small company, we employ four people including myself and my husband, and freelancers, we are relatively small but we have relatively small but we have relatively high overheads, we have large projects, designing and installing large exhibition stands so installing large exhibition stands so these are large projects. £50,000 isa so these are large projects. £50,000 is a bit ofa so these are large projects. £50,000 is a bit of a spin in terms of our overheads, a business unit, we weren't eligible for rate relief, business grant from government because we were £500 over the rateable value so we weren't eligible for that, we were outside the remit of measurements, we didn't get the £25,000 grant, we weren't eligible for any support at all. sorry, just briefly, it is important andi sorry, just briefly, it is important and i think there are lots of people in the same position. are you counted as self—employed ? in the same position. are you counted as self—employed? why couldn't you furlough yourself, you area couldn't you furlough yourself, you are a limited company, i know that, do you come under that group of workers who have missed out essentially, big time, with free money from the government? absolutely, free money. yes. because we run a limited business, we are not considered self—employed by hmrc, even though the department for work and pensions considers to be self—employed, but that's story. we don't qualify for the support scheme, if we did my husband and i wouldn't be eligible for £28,000 in grants, that is effectively free money, we would not have to pay back. we have missed out in total on £53,000. we are running out of time, i must read the statement. we've provided and a president package of support for businesses including over 40 billions in loans and guarantees, tax drills, cash grants, paying the wages of 8.4 million furloughed workers. we are doing everything we can to make sure companies feel the benefit on offer. i want to ask you briefly, how long is this 50,000 going to last four, when are you going to run out of money and how are you going to pay it back? we will run out pretty soon because it's already come up most of it has been used to pay overheads up until now. and then it will pay the rates, the rent, all the business overheads for a few months. then, who knows? it's not going to support my family or who knows? it's not going to support pay who knows? it's not going to support my family or pay my mortgage, keep my family or pay my mortgage, keep my children fed. we don't know how we are going to pay it back, we are taking it because we believe in ourselves, our innovation, you know, we will get through it somehow. thank you all for talking to is, i wish you all the best stop philippa and sarah. those figures out today, really interesting, £21 billion loaned out by the government. to 870,000 businesses. gyms and bars will be allowed to reopen in several german towns and cities from today, as the country continues to relax restrictions. germany gained international recognition for the way it brought the coronavirus outbreak under control, but there are now fears it may be moving too quickly. 0ur berlin correspondent jenny hill sent this report. it's going to be a painful recovery. dusseldorf‘s gyms open again as germany relaxes most of its corona restrictions. "i'm torn," brita tells us. "i enjoy the new freedoms, but at the same time, i'm a bit scared. maybe it was too early." germany's cautious approach relaxing now. angela merkel continues to warn repeatedly that this country is still in the early stages of the pandemic. on a day like this, it's hard to believe it. germany has brought its outbreak under control, but there is now an intense public debate about what happens next. this country can still boast low infection rates, but it's early days. yes, i think it is too soon just now, we're easing up too fast, we're easing up too much, so we risk a second wave, and i don't really understand why this is done so quickly, because, still, more than 80% of the population stand behind the federal agreements, which we had some time ago. small but voluble, a minority demanded angela merkel lift restrictions. so, more significantly, did germany's regional leaders, like armin laschet, who's a leading candidate to replace her when she steps down next year. translation: we have the health problem of the pandemic, but there's another damage — children from disadvantaged backgrounds who couldn't go to school, sick people who didn't get treatment because the hospitals were reserved for covid, people in care homes got lonely. this is damage too and it's claimed lives. nothing then to do with raising his political profile? translation: the measures we had to decide are so important, a matter of life and death. you couldn't act on a tactical basis. katarina's not impressed, though the relaxation's meant she's seen her family for first time in weeks. "i'm very sceptical, very sceptical," she says. "it's like tipping over a sack of potatoes." this country, praised worldwide for its initial success, feels rather fragile now. jenny hill, bbc news. thank you to mike who has e—mailed on those business loans. he said he applied for £8,000 on the day it went live, my provider, a high street bank has still not provided me with cash, despite saying my application has been approved. even they describe themselves as inundated, the cash never materialises. thank you. let's bring you the weather, with carol. hello. if you were hoping for rain in the forecast in the next few days, there is somebody it falls and how much there is, is going to be fairly hit and miss. it's going to drink much cooler than it has been. pulling in more of a northerly wind, sometimes that wind will be quite costly. high pressure in charge of the weather today, keeping things across england and wales fairly settled. but for scotla nd and wales fairly settled. but for scotland and northern ireland, the far north of england, we have a weather front and are slowly sinking southwards, taking this cloud and showery outbreaks of rain with it. some of the showers could be quite heavy and possibly thundery in north—east scotland, northern ireland, later in northern england. behind that weather front it's turning much cooler than it has been, yesterday in the north highlands it was 26 degrees, tie only 12 degrees but as we come further south we hang on to the very warm conditions, locally in the south—east today, temperatures could reach 28. this evening and overnight this weather front continues descending, moving south—east. some of the rain across southern scotland, northern england, wales will be heavy. won't quite reach the south—east and it will clear western scotla nd south—east and it will clear western scotland and northern ireland. not going to be a cold night, most of us in double figures. tomorrow the rain continues to push south, the heaviest likely to be in wales, gloucestershire, the midlands, not much if any getting into the fat south—east and as we move further north, writer tomorrow, with some showers but tomorrow there will be a noticeable gusty northerly wind. temperature lower, adding on the wind, feeling much cooler than it has done. from wednesday into thursday various fronts, watch how the wind appears, this northerly component, still going to feel pretty cool. in fact, on thursday itself going to be cloudy for ever you are. and we are also looking at the risk of showers, almost anywhere. still breezy, temperatures, you can see on the chance, between nine and 16 degrees. below average for this time of year. we have got way above average, then going below. by the time we get to friday, still a fair bit of cloud around, these weather fronts approaching, one from the west, one from the east, dry conditions in between. still breezy. still going to feel cold. this is bbc news with the latest headlines for viewers in the uk and around the world. donald trump threatens to send thousands of soldiers onto the streets of the us to stop the violence, as he calls himself "the law and order president." if a city or state refuses to take the actions that are necessary to defend the life and property of their residents, then i will deploy the united states military and quickly solve the problem for them. reports a police officer in las vegas is shot during protests — his condition is unknown. here, ministers look at ways to relax the government's14—day travel quarantine for people coming into the uk because of potential damage to the travel industry.
AustraliaGloucestershireUnited-kingdomBristolCity-ofAlabamaUnited-statesTexasWashingtonBrazilMinnesotaWhitehouse hairdressers break the rules to treat customers‘ out—of—control "lockdown hair." good afternoon. just when the government was hoping the row over dominic cummings was calming down, and news of the resignation of a junior minister. douglas ross, who was under secretary of state for scotland, quit as ministers contined to defend the actions of the prime minister's senior adviser during lockdown. mr ross said he believed that mr cummings‘ view of the government guidance, was not shared by the vast majority of people. and this afternoon the former chief whip mark harper has called on dominic cummings to resign. our political correspondent nick eardley reports. has he done enough to save his job? mr cummings, were you telling the truth yesterday? do you think the public believe you? dominic cummings leaving home this morning, flanked by two police officers. i think what i did was actually reasonable in the... in the circumstances. downing street is hoping yesterday's extraordinary press conference, his account of why he drove his family 250 miles during lockdown to isolate, would be enough to move this story on. people will make their own mind up, and as dominic himself said, there will be many people who think his actions were wrong or mistaken, but looking at it in the round, i think his actions were reasonable. but this has been a messy few days for number ten. it has done damage to borisjohnson, and some fear it has harmed public health messaging, too, at a time when the government needs people to follow advice. douglas ross has resigned as a junior minister, one of a number of unhappy scottish conservatives. in a letter to boris johnson, mr ross said his constituents had missed funerals to follow lockdown rules, adding that, "i cannot in good faith tell them that they are all wrong "and one senior government adviser was right." there are others, too. i think they have to say this has gone too far. there is a huge public backlash against what has happened, and the way in which it has been handled. it has become a distraction from thejob of getting people back to work, back to school, protecting health, and rebuilding the economy. there are tory mps who think that mr cummings' account yesterday helped, and are desperate to move on to talking about something else. but others are still deeply concerned. excusing mr cummings sends out mixed messaging and risks undermining the government's authority. the anger out there in the public shows quite clearly that they feel it is one rule for them and one rule for government advisers, and that is a very, very dangerous position for the public to be in. during a time of crisis, we need the entirety of the population to be working together to try to get through this crisis. the government wants to move the focus to easing lockdown, but there continue to be questions over its defence of mr cummings. nick eardley, bbc news, westminster. our political correspondent alex forsyth is at westminster. if they were hoping to put a lid on this, it is not happening. that is quite right. they were hoping to put a lid on this and i think there was a lid on this and i think there was a sense in downing street that if dominic cummings came out as he did yesterday, answered questions, went through his version of his actions and his justification, the through his version of his actions and hisjustification, the hope was that that would have drawn a line. it most certainly hasn't. we have had that resignation today and we have also had more conservative mps coming out to express their concern. about two points, really. the first about what this does to the government's public health message and whether it undermines it and the second point, and this seems to be repeated from mps who say, they might have some sympathy for the dilemma in which dominic cummings found himself, that does not seem to wash well with their constituents who felt they made sacrifices that he didn't. this afternoon, we have had mark harper, a former chief whip for the conservative party, he has written a letter suggesting that dominic cummings should have resigned. he said i would expect an adviser who was damaged credibility of the garment‘s message to consider his position. we have also heard from stephen hammond, another conservative mp. he says he might have sympathy with his motives but is angry that so many have sacrificed so much for public safety and this man has decided that in his interpretation of doing the right thing he has overridden that message of stay at home. another former cabinet minister has said that he again is talking about damaging the nature of public solidarity. they are saying that in some cases they have had a huge number of correspondence from people who are overwhelmingly angry about this and thatis overwhelmingly angry about this and that is why some of them are feeling they have to come out publicly, so if the government had hoped this would go away quickly, it does not seem that that is going to happen. how much more of this can take? that is the key question and from the opposition party's perspective, there is discussion with some of the westminster leaders this morning for top they will obviously want to keep the pressure on the prime minister and the government more broadly on this, but what is crucial is how many conservative mps are prepared to speak out about it and say what they think. we have had more than 20 who have said that dominic cummings should either have resigned or be sacked and even those who are expressing concern and criticism but not going that far does add pressure to the government on this. 0k, thank you. joining me now to give his reaction is conservative mp robert courts. he joins us from his constituency in witney, 0xfordshire. do you think dominic cummings should stay in the job? yes, i think after that explanation yesterday, which was clear, honest and open, i have sympathy with the dilemma he was in asi sympathy with the dilemma he was in as i know many well. we saw a man who was trying to do what he thought was best for his family and particularly for his four—year—old son. when i look at the rules, the regulations we all have to comply with, under the circumstances he was then, i do think that he acted reasonably. no one would say that trip to barnard castle was a reasonable action, would they?” think you have got to remember a couple of things about that trip on the basis of what mr cummings told us the basis of what mr cummings told us yesterday put up the first is that he was knocked on a day trip, this was not an opportunity to visit a beauty spot. it was an opportunity for him to see whether he was able to drive before he undertook that much longerjourney back to london, given he was trying to get back to work. that is what he is very much trying to do, it is not something thatis trying to do, it is not something that is being done, as i understand, on the basis of him simply having an enjoyable day out. at what point did it become demeaning to have senior government ministers defending some of who should be out of the picture, he should... ? we all want to get back to tackling this massive crisis thatis back to tackling this massive crisis that is coronavirus. forgive me, but that is coronavirus. forgive me, but thatis that is coronavirus. forgive me, but that is exactly the point. 90% of the country has been following the government guidelines and government rules. we are talking about families whose relatives, parents, some whose children have died in hospital alone because they have felt it necessary to stick to government guidelines and here you have someone who did not, admits he did not, who has a government that is defending him, a private minister who has his back, when the members of the public who see this are clearly angry about it —— a prime minister. have you had in yourinbox, —— a prime minister. have you had in your inbox, angry e—mails from some of your constituents? yes, of course. there is no getting away from the fact that people feel very strongly about this matter. there is no doubt it raises very high passions. you're quite right to draw attention to the sacrifices that people have made and i want to be absolutely clear about this, there is no question that it should be one role that government advisers and one republic the public, that is absolutely not the case. the rules allow you to leave home, and if you have two parents who are looking after a child, that might be an exceptional circumstance was that when you look at that and you set that against what mr cummings has done, the question that we all have to a nswer done, the question that we all have to answer is not whether we agree with mrcummings, or to answer is not whether we agree with mr cummings, or not whether we would have done the same thing ourselves, but whether what he did is reasonable. the prime minister has listened to what mr cummings has said and has formed the view it is reasonable and wants to keep them on and that is a decision i respect. mark harper does not. he is a former chief whip. he says, as though mr cummings' trip to barnard castle, there is no credible justification for this. in these circumstances, is an absolute minimum, an apology should have been made and a level of regret expressed. do you agree with him? i respect his view enormously, asi him? i respect his view enormously, as i respect all that the views of all be colleagues who take a different view and from all those constituents and others who write to express their view. in the view of the barnard castle trip, it was outside of the 14 day quarantine period as i understand, so not that real strict quarantine time and at the point where people were allowed to go outside for one point of exercise each day. it was not a trip out to a beauty spot for the sake of it, as i understand it, but in order to see whether he was able to do that longer journey back to see whether he was able to do that longerjourney back south to london. again, was that reasonable in the circumstances? i have formed the view that having heard that open and clear explanation yesterday, that it was. open and clear explanation, some people may argue with that. whilst that may be the letter of the law, it is not the spirit of it in any way, is it? is a very difficult times and i respect the difficult decisions everyone has to take, but i do think we need to look at these matters with some compassion and understanding for top clearly, what he was trying to do was to do what was best for his family and his four—year—old son and he was in a very difficult position. he was doing what was best for him and his family, not what was best for the country, is the argument, because the country was in lockdown for that i have just had a tweet from someone, when you said you had had letters from your constituents, why are you not representing them? how many letters have you had from constituents backing dominic cummings? i cannot give you figures. is it one to five, is it more than ten? the job i have to do... i know what yourjob is, i want to know how many e—mails you have had supporting dominic cummings. i could not give you the answer because i have not counted them all, but i have to decide whether when i look at the regulations and the explosion has been given, to see whether i think thatis been given, to see whether i think that is reasonable. and when i look at the explanation that has been given andi at the explanation that has been given and i set that gets the regulations that they were at the time which have an express it exception of looking after someone who is vulnerable, that gives your reason for leaving home and put this together and answer the question i have to answer, which is whether or not i think his actions were reasonable, not whether they were right or whether anyone agrees, i respect people will disagree... on that basis, this is the problem, anybody that is driving anywhere in england this afternoon can say to a police officer who stops them, this is as far as i can see reasonable because that is an argument that worked for dominic cummings. if that's not the problem? the general health message here is so deleted by the actions of one person. we are in different circumstances now because the rules have changed since. but we all have to look at the rules and look at what they were proposing to do and to decide for ourselves we are applying with the rules —— look at what we are proposing to do. given that explanation yesterday, again, i accept that not everyone will agree. they will not agree because the message as i remember it was a stay at home. yes, but except in certain circumstances. for medical reasons, for food, in certain circumstances. for medical reasons, forfood, and providing care and there is a specific section that talks about providing care to someone he was vulnerable and again i am only quoting the deputy chief medical 0fficer quoting the deputy chief medical officer who expressed it the week before in a press conference and said that the case of adults looking after a child wasn't something that might be exceptional circumstances. ijust might be exceptional circumstances. i just know there are might be exceptional circumstances. ijust know there are people watching now who have children who are very sick, not visiting them in hospital, he will feel perhaps a bit let down by the interpretation of rules that were very clear at the time to most people that stay at home meant to stay at home.” entirely accept and understand the strength of feeling people will have, i do not dispute that for a moment and i think everybody‘s case it should be looked at with compassion and that is all i propose we do in this case will top look at the rules and apply those rules to everybody. above all, looking compassion given at the terrible circumstances that everyone is in it, the country, and dominic cummings is included in that.” it, the country, and dominic cummings is included in that. i am sorry, i'm supposed to end the interview there, but you cannot possibly say there is not sympathy around, fora possibly say there is not sympathy around, for a controversial figure, he should in most circumstances be behind the headlines, it should certainly not be being discussed in this terms, and who you are, and elected mp, defending someone. i don't know what is going on for stop i think members of the public will be watching mps and saying what is it got only one? i'm not sure what your question is that you are asking for is that i have never met dominic cummings at so i do not have a view on him personally. i hold nothing against him, that is not the purpose of this. ijust against him, that is not the purpose of this. i just express and against him, that is not the purpose of this. ijust express and that when you look at the rules and what they were, you have to ask whether he had a reasonable excuse for leaving home. iam he had a reasonable excuse for leaving home. i am a barrister so i accept i'm looking at it from a fairly legalistic point of view, but on the basis of the law he had a reasonable excuse —— did he have a reasonable excuse —— did he have a reasonable excuse —— did he have a reasonable excuse for leaving home? and i think you did. i wonder what you would take fewer doctor. everyone will have a different view andi everyone will have a different view and i respect that. thank you. most shops are being allowed to reopen in england next month. car showrooms and outdoor markets will be able to welcome customers from next monday — other shops will follow on the isthjune. they'll have to place limits on the number of shoppers allowed in at the same time and introduce a one—way system. pubs, restau ra nts a nd hairdressers will remain closed. some smaller retailers say they may struggle to have government measures in place in time. nick beake reports. truly scrumptious in poole has been on the high street for years, but with nobody able to buy their penny sweets for the last two months, they have been losing hundreds of pounds. i've reduced the floor space. i have installed a new glass screen to protect my staff and their customers. the government's decision to let customers return from the middle of next month gives her business a chance to survive. it is very important for my shop door to be open when it is safe to do so. we rely heavily on summer trade to see us through the difficult winter months. it has also been a difficult time for the car industry, but they will be able to open up their showrooms even earlier, from next monday. one of the uk's biggest manufacturers says they have been ready for weeks. there will have to be disinfection between test drives, and inspections of the vehicles, but all of those things to meet government guidelines, and even go beyond, because obviously every manufacturer tends to go beyond guidelines to be doubly and triply secure. all of those things are ready now. in fact, they have been ready for two weeks. we have all got used to food shopping in a very different way during this crisis, and that will continue when other stores reopen. in each place, there is the question, "what's changed?" are there are now specific entrances and exits? there may be signs inside the store showing a new one—way system. the two—metre distance rule will still apply. if that is not possible to keep, the advice is to cover your face. we are urged to avoid touching stuff we won't buy, and when it comes to paying, contactless is best. many shoppers will be delighted that their favourite stores will soon be reopening, but not everyone will be rushing back to the shops. that's because there's still the risk of catching the virus, although we are told its much smaller now. of course, over the past few months, many of us have been doing much more shopping online from the comfort of our homes. but retailers hope customers will go back to their old ways. as a nation, we have been penned up for some time now. before this all happened, 70% of retail sales were made in stores, so although it won't return to that in the next sort of three to six months, we are hoping that people will go out and support their high street. there is still no word on when hair salons will reopen, so we will be at the mercy of our relatives' efforts for a while yet. but more places will be able to say they are open for business, yet it is far from business as usual. nick beake, bbc news. earlier i spoke to our personal finance correspondent, who talked us through some of the concerns felt by retailers ahead of opening later this month. some stores will be worried that people will be too cautious going onto the high street and will not be spending and they have the concern that in order to justify reopening, they need to have the turnover, the cash coming in, in order to pay their staff, particularly the case for smaller shops and they will have the challenge as well of doing all these measures within the shops to social distance when customers come in. that is a bigger ask for smaller shops than say the big shopping malls that are well set up for that already and have been planning for some time. imagine you just have one door into the shop and you are doing one way shopping for customers. 0ne suggestion that some stores are saying is they will open a door at the back to let people out that way. what shoppers will see is a com pletely what shoppers will see is a completely different to set up. they might end up queueing outside in order to restrict numbers, then when they go in, there will be hygiene facilities inside. that is the plan and there will be perspex screens where the counter is. all sorts of measures like that and there will be challenges as well fare charity shops for instance, that have a lot of second—hand items that have been touched by members of the public, they will have to wait 72 hours before putting them on display and sorting them and making them available. i think stores will find this quite a challenge and the point about the high street reopening, it is going to be gradual. hairdressers, pubs, cafe is, they will be open at the beginning of july but they are not set to be open injune. july but they are not set to be open in june. just getting a line from my collea g u es in june. just getting a line from my colleagues in bbc scotland. just hearing that the leader of the conservatives in scotland has told the bbc he has made his views known to downing street that dominic cummings should now consider his position, proving to be too much of a distraction in the efforts to tackle coronavirus. so, another, after the letter from mark harper, and the resignation of the undersecretary of state in scotland earlier on, another voice of dissent in the government's handling of the dominic cummings affair. we will bring you more on that later on. the number of people who've died with coronavirus in england and wales has fallen to its lowest weekly level in a month and a half. the office for national statistics says there were 3,810 deaths in the seven days to may the 15th. bbc head of statistics robert cuffe is here. what are the overall trends? in terms of the total number of deaths, there is actually a slight lift outwards but i wouldn't be too worried about that. we plot the data and show them to people, you can see in the week up until the 15th of may, there was a slight rise in the total number of deaths registered in the uk. we can see them behind us here, just coming up to about 16000 and that is really due to death registrations that did not happen on the bank holiday. so we came down a little bit sharper than we might have bounced up a little. when you look at the blue line done at the bottom, that is at its lowest level in about six weeks and that is despite those extra floods of registrations coming in so the trend is positive and we are seeing the same in care homes and the community at large but still not down to normal. the middle is showing hammy deaths we would expect to see. it is better than a couple of weeks ago —— how many deaths we would expect to see. if you look at this in different age groups commit you see very different patterns put up with would bring up that graph and we look at the average number of deaths, uc very different patterns for age groups. on the far left, we see those aged between 15 and 44 and there's really no difference was that we are not seeing that many more deaths than we would expect to see at this of year. 0nce more deaths than we would expect to see at this of year. once you get up to 45 to 74, we are seeing that increase we have seen but it is nearly back to normal now. the sharpest spike really happens in the over 75 is. the rate of deaths is more than double what you would expect and so it is reiterating again that age is the strongest driverfor risk of again that age is the strongest driver for risk of covid—19. inevitably, that tends to focus —— that focus on care homes? those figures are still replicated in care homes, so there is a slight uptake in the number of deaths in care homes registered, up to around 5000, with nearly 1800 deaths, but the overall covid—19 trend is downwards. the thing it with care homes is now they are counting, certainly in england and wales, for nearly half of the registered covid—19 deaths we are seeing for top people in care homes, they're not accounting for half of the population. while you are here, i see we are getting figures from northern ireland, no deaths recorded in the last 24 hours there. it is the first day since the 18th of march that no deaths have been reported. some parts of the uk affected a lot more than others. we have seen a couple of days in london this week where there were no covid—19 deaths recorded, not london asa covid—19 deaths recorded, not london as a whole, but the facts are, even when we're talking about tens of thousands of deaths, the figures are coming down for that they are coming down more slowly than they went up, but we are seeing reduction week on week in the number of covid—19 deaths. across the uk, of course there will be different patterns in different settings, hospitals versus ca re different settings, hospitals versus care homes, different settings, hospitals versus ca re homes, versus different settings, hospitals versus care homes, versus homes come in different parts of the uk, but overall the trend is positive and we have to watch them carefully over the coming weeks as the lockdown measures change. the nhs is appealing for more people who've recovered from covid—19 to take part in a trial in england to see if their blood plasma can treat patients with the virus. three groups of donors, men, those over 35, and people who have had hospital treatment, are most likely to have plasma rich in antibodies that can help others. our health correspondent laura foster reports. when alessandro contracted coronavirus and ended up on a hospital ventilator, he feared he'd never get to see his family again. it's why, when he recovered, he wanted to help others by donating plasma in his blood. instinctively, the last thing you want to do is go into a hospital environment again and have a needle put there, but then i thought actually that i had been given so much, and literally those people saved my life, and you feel so hopeless and you feel so unable to help others, and that was the only way i could figure out at that point to give some of this back. when alessandro was sick, his immune system produced antibodies to help fight the virus. these antibodies are found in the gold coloured part of our blood, known as plasma. the idea is that this plasma can be given to other people, whose immune systems are struggling, to help them fight coronavirus. pop—up blood donation stations are being set up in unusual places, like the bar at the harlequins rugby ground. existing blood donation centres are also being made bigger, all part of the aim to take up to 8,000 donations a week. it can be very, very emotional, and it does actually get you quite upset sometimes, but then you see these people have come out from the other side, and like i said, they're so enthusiastic and so willing. the researchers have found that men, those over 35, and anyone who was hospitalised with coronavirus, produce the most antibodies. there's no effective treatment known for covid yet. convalescent plasma is a potentially effective treatment, so we're really keen to explore this as a possibility. in fact, alessandro's blood contains 40 times more antibodies than the average donor. so that means i can give a lot of them away, which i'm very pleased to do, and suddenly, as my friends knew about that, they've all become very nice to me! in case they ever need it in the future. they're particularly asking for people to come forward in manchester, birmingham, and london, where there have been a lot of cases of covid—19. starting today, plasma is now included in the biggest study in the world, the recovery trial, which looks at repurposing existing treatments. if found to be successful, plasma could be used to treat covid—19 in hospitals all over the world. laura foster, bbc news. now it's time for a look at the weather with chris fawkes. i think, once again today, greater london will be the one with area we re london will be the one with area were temperatures probably peeking around 27 degrees, but for some of us we around 27 degrees, but for some of us we have got a little bit more in the way of cloud in the sky, still plenty of sunshine around. the cou nty plenty of sunshine around. the county it has been around northern england and wales where we have the re m na nts of england and wales where we have the remnants of a cold front. it is not bringing any rain, just a bit patchy cloud that is breaking up and drifting southwards. 0vernight tonight, we could see some low cloud fall south—west england, the coastal hills perhaps in some fog patches and temperatures 13 and 14 overnight, fresher airfare and temperatures 13 and 14 overnight, fresher air fare northern england, northern ireland and scotland. a fine and dry day for tomorrow. they could be a little bit of light patchy rain, perhaps working into northern ireland for a time, otherwise it is dry foot at the highest temperatures again across england and wales, but wherever you are in the sunshine, you will feel quite warmer. hello this is bbc news. the headlines... junior minister douglas ross resigns because of the government's defence of dominic cummings and his family trip during lockdown. 0n the whole, as a man of integrity, he thinks that he did to the right thing, but also recognises as a fair—minded man, that there are many other people who may take a different view. i understand that. weeks before they're back at work — retailers say they're worried about how they'll cope with stringent new restrictions, if shoppers do come back. the trend in deaths from coronavirus continues downward, with the lowest rate for six weeks. as greece reopens for tourism, we travel with a team of doctors who will set up coronavirus testing, where the virus has not yet been reported. sport now. good afternoon..... world number one rory mcilroy says he believes this year's ryder cup, due to take place in september in wisconsin, will be postponed until next year. competitive golf across the world has been suspended since march because of coronavirus, with the pga tour set to resume next month behind closed doors — but mcilroy doesn't think a ryder cup without spectators would be a viable option. the would be a viable option. majority of the players w like the majority of the players would like to see it pushed back to 2021 so that they can play in front of the atmosphere that they want to play. they want to play in front of crowds, that is what makes the ryder cup so special. and if the players aren't on board with that, at the end of the day, the players are the ones that make the ryder cup, and if they don't want to play, there isn't a ryder cup. isee they don't want to play, there isn't a ryder cup. i see it being pushed back to 2021. honestly, i think that would be the right call. petra kvitova is on the same page. she's also called for events to be cancelled, if fans aren't allowed to attend. the two—time wimbledon champion says she would prefer this year's remaining grand slam events to be called off, if they have to take place behind closed doors. wimbledon has already been cancelled, but the us open is still set to start at the end of august, and the french open has been rescheduled for september. coronavirus testing in the premier league continues today with bournemouth‘s first choice goalkeeper aaron ramsdale confirming he's the latest player to return a positive test. ramsdale says he tested negative in the first round of testing last week, but in the second batch he was shown to have contracted the virus. he says he hadn't experienced any symptoms and is now self—isolating. clubs will vote tomorrow on proposals for a return to contact training. so with the premier league looking to restart and championship teams back in training, it looks likely that a final decision on how to end the season in leagues one and two won't be taken until next week. the biggest issue centres on promotion and relegation. stevenage are currently bottom of the league but chairman phil wallace says there's no integrity to the plan to work out the final table on a points per game basis. when you see that we're providing teams in play—off places to play for promotion, yet if you're in a relegation spot you are denied the opportunity to play your way out of it. that's just not right and it's not just, it's not ethical and it certainly got no integrity, which is where the the efl where leaded, using that word ‘integrity‘. across europe, a number of leagues have already been postponed because of the pandemic, including in france. but now the owner of lyon has written to the french government to ask them to reconsider the decision. ligue un is the only one of the big five european leagues either not back under way or planning to resume in the next few weeks and jean michel aulas says french football is facing an "unprecedented economic and social crisis". that's all the sport for now. let's return now to the ongoing row over the actions of the prime minister's chief aide who drove hundreds of miles after the coronavirus lockdown was imposed. ajunior minister — douglas ross — has resigned over the actions of dominic cummings. but other ministers today have continued to defend the adviser‘s claims that he acted " reasonably and legally". mps have reported their inboxes full of emails from their constituents on the matter. and 0livia paterson is one person who has written to her conservative mp about mr cummings' actions.... 0livia joins me now... let's start from the beginning. you wrote at the weekend to your mp. while? what was the tone of the letter? i wrote off the back of a tweet i sent on friday night, expressing anger, because my grandfather had died alone, not from coronavirus, but he was alone because my family and carers in her ca re because my family and carers in her care home rightly follow the rules. i got care home rightly follow the rules. igota care home rightly follow the rules. i got a huge number of responses from that that completely bowled me over, the sympathy and other people who had been through the same thing. i also had a couple suggesting that i write to my mp to tell him what i felt. it hadn't occurred to me. i thought that was a good idea because it seems that this action... just sending a tweet isn't going to do anything, andi sending a tweet isn't going to do anything, and i wanted to do something. something about it. i think normal people do care about this, whatever dominic cummings said in his press conference. you know, it is not a westminster bubble, people are really angry about this. my people are really angry about this. my mp‘s first responsibility is to look after his constituents, to represent us, so writing to him at least lets hi m represent us, so writing to him at least lets him no how angry i and hundreds of other people are. 0livia, i think you wrote the letter before dominic cummings and that statement. has that changed your mind? it hasn't, no. his reasons really did not convince me. i think the main thing he was talking about was childcare. you know, that wasn't used when the child needed to go into hospital, the child's sick mother took the child to hospital, exposing the hospital workers in durham to potential coronavirus or whatever it was that she did have. which was the entire point of the lockdown that we went to do that. and then the idea of putting his child and a car as a responsible pa rent child and a car as a responsible parent and going for a drive to test asi parent and going for a drive to test as i say to me seemed quite baffling. —— to test his eyesight. he quite rightly rushed home on that birthday from downing street when his wife got sick and then went back to work, so there is already a breach of the log generals before he has gone to durham. the prime minister said that dominic cummings was acting with the instinct of a father, who was acting in the best interest of his family. indeed, that was dominic cummings‘s message yesterday. do you have something for that? i have sympathy with that, of course, but the rest of us would hold not —— told not to go there instincts, told to stay at home. i don't think there is any ambiguity, the message will stay at home if you or anyone you live with has symptoms. that is not a difficult message and, yes, your instinct might be to travel, but my instinct was to go to my family when my grandfather was dying, but i couldn't do that. so why is it that he was able to follow his instincts when the rest of us had to follow the rules? your grandfather was presumably surrounded by people who we re presumably surrounded by people who were caring for them at his death? he wasn't alone? what dominic cummings was saying yesterday was that he had to ensure that his son was going to be in an environment where he could be looked after if his parents became incapable of doing so stop his son went hospital. my doing so stop his son went hospital. my grandfather went into a care home, just three days before the lockdown. he was under stand by confused about why he was not being visited, didn't have family around him. -- visited, didn't have family around him. —— understandably confused. all of the care homes at the moment are sort of distance caring. it is a comfort to know that there were care workers around him, but i don't think that changes everything, really. why make the media and the last few minutes, a lot of us are getting stick for hounding. .. for hounding dominic cummings and making his life uncomfortable. do you think politics is getting in the wager? no, i don't. politics is getting in the wager? no, idon't. i politics is getting in the wager? no, i don't. i don't think this is a political issue all. some people believe this is a personal vendetta against dominic cummings because he is the man who delivered brexit, but i think all sides of the political divide have been fairly outraged by what he has done. i don't think the scrutiny of him is any different from the scrutiny that diane abbott received for drinking alcohol on a tube train. sorry, did you watch dominic cummings live yesterday?” did, yes. what was going through your main? was anything he could have said that would have made you think that you get to? he could have said sorry. he was given so many opportunities, he could have said he thought he did what he thought was right but made a lapse injudgment. that his wife was sick and he panicked because they didn't have childcare. he could have apologised for making people angry. hejust didn't do that. the one thing he apologised for was turning up pap relate to the press conference he was running to try and control the damage —— turning up half an hour late to the press conference.” damage —— turning up half an hour late to the press conference. i am wondering if there is a personality issue here, or if it is raw politics? i have no strong feelings about dominic cummings from before this. my only opinion is that he followed one set of rules that seem to be ok for him, the rest of us would not have got away with that. wright are would not have got away with that. wrightare you... would not have got away with that. wright are you... ? do you regret the action you take with your grandfather? are you wishing you could put the clock back? no, i wish my grandmother had been able to see him. iwish my grandmother had been able to see him. i wish that things weren't as they were but i understand we all had to do this for a reason. if any of us had gone into that care home, we could have been putting other people at risk and it wouldn't have just been my grandfather, it would have been the other residents, the ca re have been the other residents, the care workers. i understand that we did the right thing. do you think that after the last few days, people may take a different view to what is acceptable? even though the guidelines have been relaxed?” absolutely do it. my partner and i went for a walk down the high street where we live this morning, as we have done every morning for exercise, it was absolutely packed. it is like there isn't a lockdown happening any more. yes, the rules have been relaxed, but i have not seen it like that since we went into lockdown. i think people do just think, well, if he did it, why can't i? olivia, it is very good of think, well, if he did it, why can't i? 0livia, it is very good of you to join us this afternoon. thank you very much. countries across europe are continuing to ease lockdown restrictions, as infection rates fall. greece, where the outbreak has had relatively little impact, has taken another major step. its islands have opened to domestic tourists for the first time in months. quentin sommerville reports. on a 100—mile—plus journey, these athens doctors are the first visitors to sikinos in months. the greek islands are accepting visitors again. the mayor of the island welcomes them ashore. we're greeted with elbow bumps instead of handshakes. there are enough coronavirus tests for whoever wants them. we do know that, so far, there haven't been any cases on the remote islands, but there hasn't been any testing also. there are only 250 people on this island and none of them have been tested for covid—19 until today. the village was built on a hilltop to safeguard it from pirates. they're hoping its isolation continues to offer protection. greece has had only 172 deaths from covid—19 and is leaving lockdown faster than expected. foreign tourists still have to undergo quarantine. terry harris has been living here for 40 years. i came here and i isolated myself for two weeks in my house and the lady from the supermarket — flora — she delivers everything, so they brought up, on a donkey, water and any supplies i wanted. at the temporary test centre, father theodorus leads the way. these tests are essential as greece prepares to welcome back foreign tourists in the coming months. today is the first day that everything comes back to normal, including restaurants and all the borders and ships, so we are concerned about everything being planned in the best possible way. greece is emerging from the pandemic earlier than others — not unscathed, but in better shape than most. isolation is a way of life here, but so, too, is tourism. the health of the islanders depends on both. quentin sommerville, bbc news, the southern aegean. the headlines on bbc news... a junior minister has resigned over the handling of the borisjohnson top adviser‘s travels during lockdown. it comes as other uk government ministers rally to support dominic cummings. they say they understand public concern but insist he acted reasonably when making trips during lockdown. the world health organization halts trials of an anti—malarial drug as a potential treatment for covid—19 — as it's found it could cause heart problems. an update on the market numbers for you — here's how london's and frankfurt ended the day. and in the the united states this is how the dow and the nasdaq are getting on. as most of us know now ‘lockdown hair‘ is a thing. after months since a visit to the hairdresser — we‘re either letting nature take it‘s course — or risking a home trim. earlier this month our correspondent colin campbell reported on barbers in kent breaking the rules — and offering haircuts. now, council officers are stepping in — to remind barbers of the consequences. here‘s colin‘s latest report. posting prohibition orders through barbers‘ doors, this is trading standards‘ enforcement action to stop the spread of covid—19. they are targeting shops suspected of continuing to operate during the pandemic. some are alleged to have been secretly cutting hair at the rear of their premises. is there evidence this barber has been cutting hair? yes, absolutely. at the moment, the premises looks empty, although there are signs that somebody has been into the premises. the post has been picked up and there are signs that the till has been opened. but, at the moment, the shop is empty. posing as a prospective customer, at the beginning of the month, i found 19 out of 50 barbers willing to break the law. hi, i‘m trying to find somewhere to get my haircut. five o'clock, is that 0k? five o‘clock? to the shop, yeah? yeah, you have to sit down in the kitchen, because i want to...like, private. i don't want anybody to see you because it's going to be a problem for me. can you get to my shop in about 10—15 minutes? to your shop in 10 or 15 minutes? yeah. at the time, few showed any real concern for the dangers posed by the virus. do you want me to wear a mask or take any other safety precautions? i don‘t care. for me, i don‘t believe in this coronavirus, so, for me, it doesn‘t matter. cracking down on rogue barbers, kent trading standards has now issued prohibition orders to 30 shops. what these select number of barbers are doing is unfair. they are not complying with the legal requirements and they are putting people‘s lives at risk by continuing to trade. this action, welcomed by those sticking to the rules. those reputable salons that are out there, that are sitting tight, worrying about their financial future, are quite rightly feeling angry and undermined by the irresponsible actions ofjust a few in the sector. barbers are not expected to be allowed to reopen before the 4th ofjuly at the earliest, and that is if they are able to meet social distancing measures. colin campbell, bbc news, kent. the rnli is calling for the government to restrict access to beaches after a man and a teenage girl died in separate incidents along the cornish coastline on bank holiday monday. the girl had become trapped beneath a capsized boat while the man was pulled from the water by a member of the public. despite warnings not to go into the water, volunteer and off—duty lifeguards rescued dozens of people in a spate of incidents yesterday. mark dowie is the chief executive of the rnli and spoke to us earlier 0ver over the weekend we had about 120 lifeboat lunches. that is way more than a normal weekend. certainly along the strip of course you have just referred to. all four lifeboats near those incidents were out through the course of yesterday. a very busy weekend indeed. many people being cooped up for a long time and many live by the coast, they have been able to go throughout because they haven‘t had the same difficulty with travel restrictions. we are difficulty with travel restrictions. we a re really difficulty with travel restrictions. we are really keen to see strong government support for getting the water safety messages to people, to really make sure that people are super aware of the dangers that they put themselves in when they go to the sea, particularly if they are an experience. and that people just generally use common sense to keep theirfamily safe, generally use common sense to keep their family safe, don‘t do things like use inflatables and follow all of our water safety messaging. government help with giving all of those messages would be very helpful. it‘s 80 years since 0peration dynamo, the evacuation by small boats of more than 300,000 troops from the beaches of dunkirk — during one of the darkest periods of the second world war. duncan kennedy has been to todays commemoration in southsea, and has been hearing the remarkable story of one 99—year—old veteran. he plays last post. dunkirk, said churchill, was a miracle of deliverance. lawrence churcher was a witness to that miracle. today, aged 99, he came to portsmouth to recall dunkirk. its story of salvation and its tally of great loss. in may 1940, lawrence found himself in the chaos of dunkirk. evacuation the only hope against the german advance. lawrence had two brothers serving somewhere in the army. but his only thought was to get off that beach. when i first started bringing them back, of course, i didn‘t think about my brothers. i thought, well, how am i going to get back? that‘s the thing, you know. but, in the confusion of evacuating more than 300,000 men, lawrence, here in the middle, literally ran into his two brothers george on the left and edward on the right. their reunion in the bomb—cratered sand dunes of a beach under siege is a moment lawrence will never forget. relief, just relief. because there were so many soldiers there and continuous aircraft coming over, dropping bombs and things, you know. all three brothers made it off the beach with the help of the armada of little ships that had been sent from britain. and all three sailed home safely to their mother waiting in portsmouth. she was pleased, obviously, the fact that i was there for them. and then when the fellas leaned over my shoulder, came a sigh of relief, and said, "thank god we‘ve got a navy." covid—19 means this year‘s gathering of little ships to mark the 80th anniversary of dunkirk cannot take place. but one small naval ceremony was enough for lawrence churcher to remember the salvation of his country and his family. duncan kennedy, bbc news, in portsmouth. our correspondent simonjones is at dover castle... it was a pivotal moment in the planning of this. absolutely. here they were hoping to have events to commemorate what happened here 80 yea rs commemorate what happened here 80 years ago. the start of operation dynamo. those have had to be cancelled due to coronavirus, but they are marking what happened on mine. this was a pivotal event early in world war ii. we had a third of a million british and allied troops stranded just on the other side of the channel at dunkirk. dunkirk was being bombed, the harbour was blocked with sunken ships, is thought that these men there were sitting ducks. but then this hotel are of little boats, hundreds of them came to the aid, went across them came to the aid, went across the channel and brought these troops back. let‘s get more from english heritage. strange to think this was all coordinated from tunnels beneath our feet now? that's right, 30 metres below where we are now standing was the naval headquarters, commanded by vice admiral ramsey. it was hisjob, commanded by vice admiral ramsey. it was his job, assigned commanded by vice admiral ramsey. it was hisjob, assigned to him by the british government, to get these resources of ships together in a few days and get them across to dunkirk. it was quite a task. initially they thought they had only managed to get out and about 30,000 or so and they got out 300,000? that is correct. the best estimate was 45,002 days. it took them nine, he also entered ten days —— 45 in two days. it took them nine, he also entered ten days -- 45 in two days. we talk now of dunkirk spirit, that phrase was coined because of this operation. that is correct, it was coyne really because a lot of people thought it was a bit of a medical to have achieved so much and so little time. —— a bit ofa medicalto achieve so much. it has entered the language as the spirit of those involved in the operation to do so much and so little time, that is where it comes from. churchill said you can truly call the retreat of british troops to be a victory, but it was hugely important, if nothing more for morale. that is what churchill said, but secretly he was very relieved indeed. because they we re very relieved indeed. because they were looking at the cooling or capturing of the greater part of the british army. had that happen, our capacity to carry on the war would have been severely jealous capacity to carry on the war would have been severelyjealous —— cooling or capturing the greater pa rt of cooling or capturing the greater part of the british army.” mentioned at the start, you were hoping this would be a big event here at dover castle with all sorts of things put on to recreate what happened 80 years ago today. that hasn‘t been possible, but what are you doing? what we're doing, instead of having a live event to try and invoke the spirit of the time, we are having an event online. our social media channels are putting out a series of videos, short videos, several over the next nine days, which will actually chart the progress of the operation through the eyes of some people who might have been involved. we have a royal naval officer, a little ship owner and a commie, they will give their perspectives as actors, and over the next nine days, people who sign into our channels will get the personal stories about what these people went there. as we know, the cause can be here on this beautifully sunny day here on this beautifully sunny day here in dover, but they are hoping many will discover the story and find out much more about online. now it‘s time for a look at the weather with chris fawkes. greater london will be the hot spot again today. how is —— greater london will be the hot spot again today. how is -- across wales and northern england, this line of cloud is just what is left of a very wea k cold cloud is just what is left of a very weak cold front. no rain left on it, just a little bit of patchy cloud thatis just a little bit of patchy cloud that is breaking or drifting southwards. overnight we could well see some low cloud form across the hills of south—west england. it is a mild night, particularly in the south of england and wales, temperatures 13—14d in cardiff and london by the end of the night. pressure airfor the london by the end of the night. pressure air for the rest of the uk. over the next few days, that warmer air in the south will push northwards, so there will be a warming trend to our weather over the next few days. wednesday, most of england and wales will be sunny start to the day, always more cloud for northern ireland and scotland, there could be an odd spot of rain in northern ireland. in the best of the century across england and wales, temperatures will reach the med and perhaps high 20s in some areas, whereas for scotland, northern ireland and the north of england temperatures into the high teens. a little bit of rain from the front teens. a little bit of rain from the fro nt m oves teens. a little bit of rain from the front moves out of the way on thursday, the warmer air will move on through the afternoon. sunshine for england and wales, a sunny day for england and wales, a sunny day for northern ireland, rain easing away from the far north of scotland, not a great amount of rain, mind you. the weather becoming tighter and warmer here as well into the afternoon. temperatures, 20 degrees in belfast, 22 in edinburgh, but still beat it really concentrated across england and wales. likely to see 26 and maybe 27 degrees in the warmest areas. propriety, all into the warm air, although the onshore winds will keep some of our eastern coastal areas just a little bit fresher. here, temperatures generally in the very high teens to low 20s. the warmest weather in mind. in edinburgh, up to 24 degrees as we finish the week. a fine and warm into the wiki. into the weekend, the fine weather will continue. temperatures widely the entity low to mid 20s. that is your latest weather. this is bbc news. i‘m simon mccoy. the headlines: junior minister douglas ross resigns because of the government‘s defence of dominic cummings and his family trip during lockdown. on the whole, as a man of integrity, he thinks that he did do the right thing. though he also recognises, as a fair—minded man, that there are many other people who... who may take a different view, and i understand that. weeks before they‘re back at work, retailers say they‘re worried about how they‘ll cope with stringent new restrictions if shoppers do come back. back in business, the greek islands prepare to reopen to tourists. and the final cut. councils get snippy as some hairdressers break the rules to treat customers‘ out—of—control "lockdown hair." good afternoon. in the last few minutes, it‘s been disclosed that the latest number of people who have died with coronavirus in 24 hours is 134. we‘ve also heard that northern ireland has had no hospital deaths with covid in 24 hours. just when the government was hoping the row over dominic cummings was calming down — news of the resignation of a junior minister. douglas ross, who was under secretary of state for scotland,quit as ministers continued to defend the actions of the prime minister‘s senior adviser during lockdown. mr ross said he believed that mr cummings‘ view of the government guidance, was not shared by the vast majority of people. and this afternoon the leader of the scottish conservative party hasjoined a growing number of tory mps in criticising the behaviour of mr cummings during lockdown. our political correspondent nick eardley reports. has he done enough to save his job? mr cummings, were you telling the truth yesterday? do you think the public believe you? dominic cummings leaving home this morning, flanked by two police officers. i think what i did was actually reasonable in the... in the circumstances. downing street is hoping yesterday‘s extraordinary press conference, his account of why he drove his family 250 miles during lockdown to isolate, would be enough to move this story on. people will make their own mind up, and as dominic himself said, there will be many people who think his actions were wrong or mistaken, but looking at it in the round, i think his actions were reasonable. but this has been a messy few days for number ten. it has done damage to borisjohnson, and some fear it has harmed public health messaging, too, at a time when the government needs people to follow advice. douglas ross has resigned as a junior minister, one of a number of unhappy scottish conservatives. in a letter to boris johnson, mr ross said his constituents had missed funerals to follow lockdown rules, adding that, "i cannot in good faith tell them that they are all wrong "and one senior government adviser was right." this afternoon, the leader of the scottish conservatives said mr cummings had become a distraction and should consider his position will stop. there are others, too. i think they have to say this has gone too far. there is a huge public backlash against what has happened, and the way in which it has been handled. it has become a distraction from thejob of getting people back to work, back to school, protecting health, and rebuilding the economy. there are tory mps who think that mr cummings‘ account yesterday helped, and are desperate to move on to talking about something else. but others are still deeply concerned. excusing mr cummings sends out mixed messaging and risks undermining the government‘s authority. the anger out there in the public shows quite clearly that they feel it is one rule for them and one rule for government advisers, and that is a very, very dangerous position for the public to be in. during a time of crisis, we need the entirety of the population to be working together to try to get through this crisis. the government wants to move the focus to easing lockdown, but there continue to be questions over its defence of mr cummings. nick eardley, bbc news, westminster. our political correspondent jonathan blake is at westminster. we have got a resignation of somebody many have never have heard of but there does seem to be a lot out there amongst mps. there was hope that yesterday would draw a line under the affair and get all the details out, let the journalist asking questions and everyone can move on, but that is coolly not going to happen because that is, as you say, simmering unease amongst conservative mps. we are up to a total of 29 now who have said that mrcummings total of 29 now who have said that mr cummings should resign or that the prime minister should sack him and none of those have said as much after his statement yesterday put up as you had in nick‘s report, a junior minister has resigned, reflecting what many conservative mps are saying and that is that, while they understand he was in a very difficult position and took his decisions and did what he did for the reasons he set out yesterday at the reasons he set out yesterday at the time, perception remains amongst many in the public and in conservative constituencies, that it was one rule for him and one rule for everybody else. while that unease remains and we see conservative mps coming out, reflecting, the messages that they have had and the heat they are taking from this in their constituencies, it will be very difficult for the government to continue, because whether you think dominic cummings was right or wrong to do what it did, whether you have an opinion or not, and ease in the conservative party, anger among the public, contribute a hollowed of noise which is one big distraction for the prime minister as they try to continue the response of the coronavirus crisis. —— continue to a whole load of noise. how long can this call one? from downing street, they will continue to try and ride this out, and while it has pushed the story on into another day and the story on into another day and the government minister has resigned and mps are still coming out calling for dominic cummings to resign, they are still in the minority and the majority of conservative mps, led‘s remember, in public at least, have stayed quiet on this. and it may be that they just tough it out for as long as possible, but we will have another news conference at downing street this afternoon, when whichever cabinet minister steps up to the lectern will no doubt face questions about the behaviour of the senior adviser and everyday it goes on it gets harderfor them to put their message across and harder and harderfor their message across and harder and harder for them their message across and harder and harderfor them to argue their message across and harder and harder for them to argue that the public should be following the rules. and difficult for them as they read letters from a former chief whip and others, still clearly not happy with that response from dominic cummings yesterday. no, and while those of are there and while mps feel that the government is not acting properly, it creates a very difficult situation for the prime minister. he has a big majority, a majority of 80 at westminster and can still continue to govern, no doubt quite effectively, but if this unease grows and if there is a simmering unrest in the party, it is going to make it more and more difficult for him. it is a trade off really and so far borisjohnson has calculated that keeping a dominic cummings in hisjob, albeit with the perception among parts of the public and some of his own party that he should not be there and he acted in the wrong, is better than losing him. if you work to change his mind, it would be an embarrassing move, because he has so far argued that he is right to keep them in the job and he acted in good faith. if he changes his mind now, there will be those who say he is caving in to political pressure, so it is a lose lose situation at the moment for the prime minister. every day that this saga continues. thank you very much. with all the controversy surrounding dominic cumings and the government, how has it affected the thinking of voters? chris hopkins is head of politics for the polling company savanta comres and joins me now. when was the last polling done? did it take into account yesterday‘s conference? yes, it does. there is a daily tracker that tracks the opinion of coronavirus and all things associated with it. the data that we gathered yesterday, shows that we gathered yesterday, shows that the government approval and that the government approval and that of the prime minister have absolutely plummeted, it is —2. borisjohnson is absolutely plummeted, it is —2. boris johnson is —1. absolutely plummeted, it is —2. borisjohnson is —1. —— the government is —2. that has come down from plus 40, plus 30, throughout the pandemic. so there has been quite a swift change in public opinion. we are just looking at boris johnson‘s ratings opinion. we are just looking at borisjohnson‘s ratings on the screen now, sorry to interrupt, we are looking at that now. what expose the peaks are looking at that now. what expose the pea ks and are looking at that now. what expose the peaks and troughs? other things going at these daily news conferences, what triggers these? yes, obviously there will be slight variance everyday and public opinion. i do not think that necessarily boris has anything particularly through the process that might have affected his rating slightly, his perceived handling of the crisis actually improved when he was incapacitated with the illness, probably down to timothy. public approval generally has been dropping over time. —— properly done to sympathy. clearly, over the weekend and the issues surrounding the government‘s chief advisor have had quite a large impact on public opinion. that is on at boris johnson‘s approval rating, what about the government as a whole? the government has followed a quite similar trajectory, the government‘s approval did tend to rise but that has risen along with other government minister approval ratings. rishi sunak has come out of this fairly well, he has had higher approval than the prime minister for large parts of the pandemic. even his now has come down in the last few days, about 15 points in the last four days, so clearly all that government ministers are going to be tarnished by this brush, which seems to imply that the government‘s rules apply to some and do not apply to eve ryo ne apply to some and do not apply to everyone and i think that is going to have an impact on public opinion, if that is what the public are perceiving in mr cummings‘ actions. you do not have a crystal ball, but all governments go to a period of peaks all governments go to a period of pea ks and troughs, all governments go to a period of peaks and troughs, is very trend you can discern from the polling you are doing? i think what we have seen, before this big news story at the weekend, we did see a slow move towards a people not thinking that the government are handling this as well as they were, albeit they were still doing pretty well and still in plus 20 less than a week ago. those are the sort of ratings the government would be really pleased with. it is whether they can really come back from this and they think they properly could once the news story dies down a bit, but i can imagine, we do not have data on this, but i can imagine this would have an impact on what the public see as fairand have an impact on what the public see as fair and fairness is a big thing ina see as fair and fairness is a big thing in a british public opinion. if the government are not deemed to be fairor if the government are not deemed to be fair or there is disparity in what the government are doing and what the government are doing and what the government are doing and what the public are doing, that could have a big impact on how they are perceived. thank you. the department storesjohn lewis has said it will reopen its doors on a "phased basis" starting on june 15th — that‘s when the government‘s said most shops will be allowed to start selling again. car showrooms and outdoor markets will be able to welcome customers from next monday. retailers will have to place limits on the number of shoppers allowed in at the same time and introduce a one—way system. pubs, restaurants and hairdressers will remain closed. some smaller retailers say they may struggle to have government measures in place in time. nick beake reports. truly scrumptious in poole has been on the high street for years, but with nobody able to buy their penny sweets for the past two months, they have been losing hundreds of pounds. now, they are getting ready to reopen. i have reduced the floor space in my shop so that customers can only come in one at a time. i have installed a new glass screen to protect my staff and the customers. the government‘s decision to let customers return from the middle of next month gives her business a chance to survive. it is very important for my shop door to be open when it is safe to do so. we rely heavily on summer trade to see us through the difficult winter months. it has also been a difficult time for the car industry, but they will be able to open their showrooms even earlier, from next monday. one of the uk‘s biggest manufacturers says they have been ready for weeks. there will have to be disinfection between test drives, and inspections of the vehicles, but all of those things to meet government guidelines, and even go beyond, because obviously every manufacturer tends to go beyond guidelines to be doubly and triply secure. all of those things are ready now. in fact, we have been ready for two weeks. we have all got used to food shopping in a very different way during this crisis, and that will continue when other stores reopen. in each place, there is the question, "what‘s changed?" are there now specific entrances and exits? once inside the store, there may be signs showing a new one—way system. the two—metre distance rule will still apply. if that is not possible to keep, the advice is to cover your face. we are urged to avoid touching stuff we won‘t buy, and when it comes to paying, contactless is best. many shoppers will be delighted that their favourite stores will soon be reopening, but not everyone will be rushing back to the shops. that‘s because there‘s still the risk of catching the virus, although we are told it‘s much smaller now. of course, over the past few months, many of us have been doing much more shopping online from the comfort of our homes. but retailers hope customers will go back to their old ways. as a nation, we have been penned up for some time now. before this all happened, 70% of retail sales were made in stores, so although it won‘t return to that in the next sort of three to six months, we are hoping that people will go out and support their high street. there is still no word on when hair salons will reopen, so we will be at the mercy of our relatives‘ efforts for a while yet. but more places will be able to say they are open for business, yet it is far from business as usual. nick beake, bbc news. earlier i spoke to our personal finance correspondent, simon gompertz, who talked us through some of the concerns felt by retailers ahead of opening later this month. some stores will be worried that people will be too cautious about going onto the high street and will not be spending and they have the concern that in order to justify reopening, they need to have the turnover, the cash coming in, in order to pay their staff. particularly the case for smaller shops and they will have the challenge as well of doing all these measures within the shops to social distance when customers come in. that is a bigger ask for smaller shops than say the big shopping malls that are well set up for that already and have been planning for some time. imagine you just have one door into the shop and you are doing one—way shopping for customers. one suggestion that some stores are saying is that they will open a door at the back to let people out that way. what shoppers will see is a completely different set up. they might end up queueing outside in order to restrict numbers, then when they go in, there will be hygiene facilities inside. that is the plan and there will be perspex screens where the counter is. all sorts of measures like that and there will be challenges as well for charity shops for instance, that have a lot of second—hand items coming in that have been touched by other members of the public, they will have to wait for 72 hours before putting them on display and sorting them and making them available. i think stores will find this quite a challenge and the point about the high street reopening, it is going to be more gradual. we are going to have big gaps still. pubs, cafes, tattoo parlours, hairdressers, barbers, they are all still hoping that they will be open at the beginning ofjuly, but they are not set to open in june. supercar maker mclaren group has announced that 1,200 jobs will be lost across its operations. that figure represents one quarter of its total workforce. the company has been struggling to deal with its production during the covid—19 pandemic, and will spread the job losses across its formula—1, road car and applied technologies operations. the rnli is calling for the government to restrict access to beaches after a man and a teenage girl died in separate incidents along the cornish coastline on bank holiday monday. the girl had become trapped beneath a capsized boat while the man was pulled from the water by a member of the public. despite warnings not to go into the water, volunteer and off duty lifeguards rescued dozens of people in a spate of incidents yesterday. mark dowie is the chief executive of the rnli and spoke to us earlier. over the weekend, we had about 120 lifeboat launches and that is way more than a normal weekend, and certainly along the strip of coast you have just referred to, all four lifeboats near those incidents were out throughout the course of yesterday. so, a very busy weekend indeed. people have been cooped up for a long time. of course many people live by the coast and they have been able to go to the coast throughout this period, because they have not had the same difficulties with travel restrictions. i think what we are really keen to see is that there is strong government support for getting the water safety messages to people, to really make sure that people are super aware of the dangers that they put themselves in when they go to the sea, particularly if they are inexperienced. and that people just generally use common sense, keep their families safe, do not do things like use inflatables, and follow all of our water safety messages. government help with giving all those messages would be very helpful. the nhs is appealing for more people who‘ve recovered from covid—19 to take part in a trial in england, to see if their blood plasma can treat patients with the virus. three groups of donors, men, those over 35, and people who have had hospital treatment, are most likely to have plasma rich in antibodies that can help others. our health correspondent laura foster reports. when alessandro contracted coronavirus and ended up on a hospital ventilator, he feared he‘d never get to see his family again. it‘s why, when he recovered, he wanted to help others by donating plasma in his blood. instinctively, the last thing you want to do is go into a hospital environment again and have a needle put there, but then i thought actually that i had been given so much, and literally those people saved my life, and you feel so hopeless and you feel so unable to help others, and that was the only way i could figure out at that point to give some of this back. when alessandro was sick, his immune system produced antibodies to help fight the virus. these antibodies are found in the gold coloured part of our blood, known as plasma. the idea is that this plasma can be given to other people, whose immune systems are struggling, to help them fight coronavirus. pop—up blood donation stations are being set up in unusual places, like the bar at the harlequins rugby ground. existing blood donation centres are also being made bigger, all part of the aim to take up to 8,000 donations a week. it can be very, very emotional, and it does actually get you quite upset sometimes, but then you see these people have come out from the other side, and like i said, they're so enthusiastic and so willing. the researchers have found that men, those over 35, and anyone who was hospitalised with coronavirus, produce the most antibodies. there's no effective treatment known for covid yet. convalescent plasma is a potentially effective treatment, so we're really keen to explore this as a possibility. in fact, alessandro‘s blood contains 40 times more antibodies than the average donor. so that means i can give a lot of them away, which i‘m very pleased to do, and suddenly, as my friends knew about that, they‘ve all become very nice to me! in case they ever need it in the future. they‘re particularly asking for people to come forward in manchester, birmingham, and london, where there have been a lot of cases of covid—19. starting today, plasma is now included in the biggest study in the world, the recovery trial, which looks at repurposing existing treatments. if found to be successful, plasma could be used to treat covid—19 in hospitals all over the world. laura foster, bbc news. countries across europe are continuing to ease lockdown restrictions, as infection rates fall. greece, where the outbreak has had relatively little impact, has taken another major step. its islands have opened to domestic tourists for the first time in months. quentin sommerville reports. on a 100—mile—plus journey, these athens doctors are the first visitors to sikinos in months. the greek islands are accepting visitors again. the mayor of the island welcomes them ashore. we‘re greeted with elbow bumps instead of handshakes. there are enough coronavirus tests for whoever wants them. we do know that, so far, there haven‘t been any cases on the remote islands, but there hasn‘t been any testing also. there are only 250 people on this island and none of them have been tested for covid—19 until today. the village was built on a hilltop to safeguard it from pirates. they‘re hoping its isolation continues to offer protection. greece has had only 172 deaths from covid—19 and is leaving lockdown faster than expected. foreign tourists still have to undergo quarantine. terry harris has been living here for 40 years. i came here and i isolated myself for two weeks in my house and the lady from the supermarket — flora — she delivers everything, so they brought up, on a donkey, water and any supplies i wanted. at the temporary test centre, father theodorus leads the way. these tests are essential as greece prepares to welcome back foreign tourists in the coming months. today is the first day that everything comes back to normal, including restaurants and all the borders and ships, so we are concerned about everything being planned in the best possible way. greece is emerging from the pandemic earlier than others — not unscathed, but in better shape than most. isolation is a way of life here, but so, too, is tourism. the health of the islanders depends on both. quentin sommerville, bbc news, the southern aegean. douglas ross, thejunior minister who resigned today, has been speaking to jackie o‘brien from bbc scotland. since the reports started to appear on friday evening, that mr cummings may have taken an unauthorised journey, i have been in a dated, as i know colleagues across the country have come up with constituents concerns, but i chose not to public clique comment because i did not know the details. after yesterday, mrcummings has know the details. after yesterday, mr cummings has addressed some of the points and i think he made it clear to where he took an instant decision to try and help protect his son and wife and i understand that, but there is decisions that others did not feel they could make if they we re did not feel they could make if they were following the government guidance. there also one element that i just cannot guidance. there also one element that ijust cannot reason and that is that if you are struggling your vision, you do not tend to drive in your car for 30 vision, you do not tend to drive in your carfor 30 minutes vision, you do not tend to drive in your car for 30 minutes and vision, you do not tend to drive in your carfor 30 minutes and 30 minutes back. that was the area i really couldn‘t defend and is a government minister you should be willing to defend what the government are saying and i was not able to do that so i felt the only option to me was to resign from government. might it not have been the case that your constituents would have preferred that your pressure may have brought around his right to take nation rather than you resigning? does his resignation.” think i was making it clear that my contentions were unhappy. i have to be... represent mayhem area and i thought the best way i could do that was to resign from government but continue to stand up for this area on the backbenches for top are you satisfied that he did follow the rules ? satisfied that he did follow the rules? as i said, i have grave concerns, particularly about the journey, that he was testing as eyesight, but i have constituents who followed the guidance and whether there were loopholes or areas that you could get around big guidance, they did not. they did not join the family to mourn if a loved one had passed away, they did not go to hospital to support a loved one when they were being treated for this virus and i think it when the vast majority of people followed the guidance to the letter of the lot because the uk and scottish governments were very clear at that time to stay home and help our front line workers beat this virus, then they are still concerned by the actions. but the prime minister has still supported his stance and for some reason, he seems to think this journey was essential, particularly when a young child‘s safety could have been in danger. and that is the element of the downing street press conference that i can understand what mrcummings conference that i can understand what mr cummings was saying. he had to make an immediate decision late at night to protect his four—year—old son and his wife and he took that decision for top i think in hindsight, given what had happened, he may do it differently andi happened, he may do it differently and i think we have to be able to express that in a way to the public that has not so far happened, but there are other elements of that trip that i think are out with the guidance and people are still confused over why the journey into barnard castle took place, to test your eyesight if you felt you were not able to drive at that specific moment for top you are a father of a young child yourself. would you have done that? would you have subjected your wife and child to thatjourney? we have been extremely fortunate and we have not been taken down by this virus and i know it affects different people in different ways. we had planned, if either or both of us we had planned, if either or both of us had come down with the virus, to isolate here in our home and hopefully get through it that way, because that is the advice most people took and have followed and i think, when there is confusion about seeming one set of people following a certain set of guidance and the vast majority following the letter of the law, i think it is u nfortu nate of the law, i think it is unfortunate that there is that divergence in terms of opinions of what people should or should not do. do you think you need to resign? you have taken this action, should he follow suit? it is a personal decision and i can only beat to take an accountable for my decisions. i had plans in place to cope with suffering from crude virus should that happen and my family here in moray and we would not need to take those measures. this is continuing to bea those measures. this is continuing to be a distraction. douglas ross talking there are a short time ago. you‘re watching bbc news, now time for the weather. once again, greater london will be the one area, attempt is peaking at 27, but for some of those we have a bit more clout in the sky, still plenty of such an amount foot at the claudia weather has been across northern england and wales where we have the remnants of a cold front. just a bit of patchy cloud that is breaking up and drifting southwards. overnight tonight, we could see some at low cloud form across south—west england, the coastal hills perhaps seeing some fog patches and very mild night cross in england and wales were temperature is 13 or 14 in cardiff and london, fresher northern ireland and scotland. tomorrow, most of us will have another fine, dry and bright day come up with sunshine developing, particularly through the afternoon for top they could be a little bit of light, patchy rain, perhaps waking to northern ireland for a time foot up otherwise it is dry. temperatures high again across england and wales, but wherever you are, in the sunshine, you will feel warm. hello, this is bbc news. the headlines... junior minister douglas ross resigns because of the government‘s defence of dominic cummings — and his family trip during lockdown. asa as a government minister, you must be willing to defend the government policy and what the government are saying. i wasn‘t able to do that, so i‘ve felt the only option left to me was to resign from government. weeks before they‘re back at work — retailers say they‘re worried about how they‘ll cope with stringent new restrictions — if shoppers do come back. a further 134 people have died from coronavirus across all settings in the uk — taking the total number to 37,048. as greece reopens for tourism, we travel with a team of doctors who will set up coronavirus testing, where the virus has not yet been reported. sport now. world number one rory mcilroy says he believes this year‘s ryder cup, due to take place in september in wisconsin, will be postponed until next year. competitive golf across the world has been suspended since march because of coronavirus, with the pga tour set to resume next month behind closed doors, but mcilroy doesn‘t think a ryder cup without spectators would be a viable option. the majority of the players would like to see it pushed back to 2021 so that they can play in front of the atmosphere that they want to play. they want to play in front of crowds, that is what makes the ryder cup so special. and if the players aren‘t on board with that, at the end of the day, the players are the ones that make the ryder cup, and if they don‘t want to play, there isn‘t a ryder cup. i see it being pushed back to 2021. honestly, i think that would be the right call. petra kvitova is on the same page. she‘s also called for events to be cancelled, if fans aren‘t allowed to attend. the two—time wimbledon champion says she would prefer this year‘s remaining grand slam events to be called off, if they have to take place behind closed doors. wimbledon has already been cancelled, but the us open is still set to start at the end of august, and the french open has been rescheduled for september. coronavirus testing in the premier league continues today with bournemouth‘s first choice goalkeeper aaron ramsdale confirming he‘s the latest player to return a positive test. ramsdale says he tested negative in the first round of testing last week, but in the second batch he was shown to have contracted the virus. he says he hadn‘t experienced any symptoms and is now self isolating. clubs will vote tomorrow on proposals for a return to contact training. so with the premier league looking to restart and championship teams back in training, it looks likely that a final decision on how to end the season in leagues one and two won‘t be taken next week. the biggest issue centres on promotion and relegation. stevenage are currently bottom of the league but chairman phil wallace says there‘s no integrity to the plan to work out the final table on a points per game basis. when you see that we‘re providing teams in play—off places to play for promotion, yet if you‘re in a relegation spot you are denied the opportunity to play your way out of it. that‘s just not right and it‘s not just, it‘s not ethical and it certainly got no integrity, which is where the the efl where leaded, using that word ‘integrity‘. across europe, a number of leagues have already been postponed because of the pandemic, including in france. but now the owner of lyon has written to the french government to ask them to reconsider the decision. ligue un is the only one of the big five european leagues either not back under way, or planning to resume in the next few weeks and jean michel aulas says french football is facing an "unprecedented economic and social crisis". that‘s all the sport for now. i‘ll have more for you in the next hour. so, we reported earlier that most shops are being allowed to reopen as we‘ve been hearing, a junior minister in the scotland office has the leader of the scottish conservative party has joined a growing number of tory mps in criticising the behaviour of the government aide dominic cummings during lockdown. this morning, a junior minister, douglas ross, resigned because, he said, most people did not share mr cummings‘s view of the government guidance on travelling from home. he said, most people did not share mr cummings‘s view of the government guidance on travelling from home. the adviser claims that he acted ‘reasonable and legally‘. well earlier i spoke to conservative mp robert courts who told me he believes mr cummings should stay in the role: there is no question that everybody has to abide by the law as it is, there is not one rule for government and then another public. if you look at the regulations, if you look at what they allow, i am quoting the deputy chief medical officer, who said if you have two parents were capturing a child, that might be an exceptional circumstance. —— two pa rents exceptional circumstance. —— two parents looking after a child. the question we all have the answer is not whether we agree with mr cummings or whether we would have done the same things ourselves, but whether what he did is reasonable. the prime minister has listened to what mrcummings the prime minister has listened to what mr cummings has had to say, formed a view that it is reasonable and wants to keep them on. that is a decision i respect. i‘m joined now by former director of communications for the labour party, alastair campbell. alistair, mps, some coming out and criticising openly dominic cummings, some as we have just heard supporting him. all well and good, but he is still a story. he certainly is. also, just to clarify something that your previous interviewee said, the clause that dominic cummings is courting as his defence for these exceptional circumstances for his child, that clause was inserted into the bill with the view to protecting children at risk of violence and women in particular at risk of domestic violence, so let‘s not pretend they might pretend that this covers these circumstances. he should have stayed at home. if you go to boris johnson‘s statement the day before, the contradictions with the statement yesterday, johnson said that both of them were coming down with coronavirus. cummings couldn admits that because he went home and then went back to downing street, thereby if he had got coronavirus, putting other people at risk of infection. what you are seeing today, with these sort of cabinet ministers coming out to retreat —— to read out these ridiculous scripts they‘ve been given, the story is unravelling. all of the people that have been falling into the radio stations i have been talking to saying, please document something else? i wish we were. a crisis like this needs to be prime minister and cabinet to be focusing on nothing else but getting the job done and every single one of them, literally the whole cabinet, the whole government, the whole government machine has been mobilised to try and save dominic. it is the most pathetic and craven act that i think we have ever had in our history. there are plenty people on twitter right now watching interviews we are doing saying that it is the media thatis doing saying that it is the media that is doing this, leave him alone, he has put his defence out there, the prime minister backs him, let‘s move on. people are entitled to believe that. they are entitled to have that opinion. but then what does that say about what sort of country we have become? i thought one of the most hysterically funny a thing today was the daily telegraph, uk returns to normality, yesterday was one of the most abnormal days in the political life of this country‘s history. you can‘t just the political life of this country‘s history. you can‘tjust sweep the stop under the carpet. look, we may, not least because the lockdown is effectively breaking down, not least because of the way the government has handled it, we could be heading, let‘s say we are heading for another wave of infection. let‘s see at that point the prime minister has to come out, as he did a few weeks ago and say this will require the result of all of us, we all have to play our part... that you notice yesterday that when he was giving that ridiculous seven o‘clock press conference how he went through all the things the public should do, did you notice that staying at home has just been dropped? the scientific measures are out of the window. this is no crisis management on the health of millions of people being decided by this pathetic bunch of people sitting around saying, how can we get dominic off the front pages? is pathetic, simon. i know that you have to do devils advocate, but you know it can be defended. lots of people would say there you 90, lots of people would say there you go, to media lobbies they are cut discussing the morning papers when there is a crisis out there —— media people. i agree with them. that is the point i am making. i don‘t give a damn what the papers say. i‘m saying that this law is all they ca re saying that this law is all they care about. politics ofjohnson, journalist, politics to gove, journalist. it is a game. it‘s about how you keep on with rupert murdoch, how you keep on with rupert murdoch, how you keep on with rupert murdoch, how you make sure the right wing editorials are on board. they spend more time talking to, worrying about, fretting over a small group of media people, than they do about the millions of british people or the millions of british people or the tens of thousands that their incompetence, their indifference, johnson posting about shaking hands with infected patients, then saying they will squash it unlike the foreigners with their silly actions, . .. foreigners with their silly actions,... i know some people be watching this and saying where did all this talk is mike worded those backstreet people begin to wield all this power because mac and that sta rts this power because mac and that starts with you, doesn‘t? this power because mac and that starts with you, doesn't? get a grip. ifi starts with you, doesn't? get a grip. if i actually thought you believe that, i would laugh. this idea that the prime minister shouldn‘t have effective and strong communications people around them is immense. there have been spent doctor is around ever sincejulius caesar wrote the greatest empire of all time then the greatest empire of all time then the greatest empire of all time then epd pg. —— the greatest saying of also —— veni vidi vici. i really look forward to two things in the future. these two cha rlata ns things in the future. these two charlatans not... things in the future. these two charlata ns not... the things in the future. these two charlatans not... the public enquiry. i have had six enquiries into my role in relation to one incident in my fairly long time alongside tony blair. cleared of the lot of them. these lot, i could take you line by line through dominic cummings press conference yesterday, i could find 12 and 15 things that ifi i could find 12 and 15 things that if i could get him for have an error, i would absolutely destroy him, because of the lies he acts told, the inconsistencies of his prime minister, of his wife. he directly contradicted what his wife had written about what happened in durham. i won‘t take the comparisons, simon. these people are liars and charlata ns. comparisons, simon. these people are liars and charlatans. they are being found out in the country deserves better. the country deserves leadership right now and to be led through this crisis. put your crisis management hat on, where does it go from here? there is no point in asking me that. from the start... lesson. if your listeners want to know what i would think about in crisis management, i wrote a blog about nine or ten weeks ago about how... and i was being supported of the government by the way. i said at the government by the way. i said at the start, this of the skill hard, harder than anything we and tony blair had to deal with. —— off the scale hard. i said out ten points you need to do any crisis. the most important point was that government has to devise, execute and narrate strategy by taking the public into confidence about decision—making. the country has to have strong and consistent leadership, ok, johnson became ill, i accept that. but holidays, ten days in chequers, since he did the briefing yesterday, he thinks he‘s above talking to his former colleagues the media. all these things, they still apply. the need for a strong centre. let me tell you about the centre. the centre isn‘t just about a tell you about the centre. the centre isn‘tjust about a clique in downing street. the centre, you ensure that every part of government is brought in, that includes the london mayor, the scottish first minister, the welsh first minister, what have they done with these people? they have pushed him away. they have insulted them a lot of the time. thereby they have ended up where there is not even a coherent united kingdom strategy. they are utterly hopeless. there is no point in asking me what i would do, they wouldn‘t do it. in asking me what i would do, they wouldn't do it. there absolutely is a point. you havejust done... iwas being serious as to where you would go from here. people want to know the positive from here. ok, well, i'll the positive from here. ok, well, i‘ll tell you. i‘ll get it, here. i'll i‘ll tell you. i‘ll get it, here. i‘ll tell you. i‘ll get it, here. i‘ll tell you. i‘ll get it, here. i‘ll tell you what i would do. you need to develop, execute, narrate strategy. you have to have a clear strategy. you have to have a clear strategy. they don‘t have one. what is the strategy? don‘t know. you need to show leadership, a strong centre, you need to throw everything at the crisis. number four, centre, you need to throw everything at the crisis. numberfour, they centre, you need to throw everything at the crisis. number four, they are throwing everything at saving dominic cummings. number five, throwing everything at saving dominic cummings. numberfive, you have to use experts well. they are using experts as political cover. sex, you have to deploy a strong team. oh my god. robertjenrick, gavin williamson, these muppets at these press conferences. seven, you make the big moments came. every single peg momentjohnson is done, he —— every single peg moment johnson has done, he has misted up. you think the public with you. nine, you show genuine empathy for the public. if i hear one more time that there are thoughts and prayers are with the people they have helped to kill, . .. with the people they have helped to kill,... ten, you give hope but you don‘t give false hope. johnson specialises in false hope. there you are. that is what i would do. they won‘t do it, because they don‘t know how to do. he used the word fluffed for anyone that thought they might have heard something different. i wish you wouldn‘t set on the fence during these interviews. it was very good talk to you. —— sit on the fence. so, we reported earlier that most shops are being allowed to reopen in england next month. by then, they will have been closed around 12 weeks — a potentially devastating length of time. there‘s been particular concern over small, independent shop owners. we can talk now to jane tritton, she‘s an independent shop owner, her outlet is called greenfinch in ticehurst in east sussex, and it sells local products and art from local independent artists. she says she‘s going to open onjune the 15th. iam, yes. i am, yes. actually, iam, yes. actually, it i am, yes. actually, it will be tuesday the 16th. i am usually closed on a monday. yes, absolutely, looking forward to getting open again on the tuesday. i‘m getting back to business. how... i'll talk about shoppers any moment. per year, physically in the shop, how are things going to have to be different? —— for you. things going to have to be different? -- for you. i am lucky that it different? -- for you. i am lucky thatitis different? -- for you. i am lucky that it is a small, independent shop. i have got enough space in there for people to be able to move around freely without bumping into each other. i will be allowing a maximum of four people into the shop at any one time. i will have a screen up at any one time. i will have a screen up at the desk. i will have tape on the floor at the desk to ensure that two metre safety distance from people coming too close to pay. i will have is hand sanitiser at the door and asking everybody who comes into use that hand sanitiser and to respect the two metres social distancing. so, obviously it will be very different from having a shop full of people chatting and mingling, and i quite often do a meet the artist ben, i won‘t be able to do that. in terms of the practicalities —— a meet the artist event. in terms of practicalities and safety is, a busy safety is the number one priority, and that is what we will do. —— obviously safety is the number one priority. the social distancing and hygiene has almost become second nature, so i am confident i can do that in the shop. sounds to me in a lot of your shoppers are what buys, people who perhaps want to come and browse. they are perhaps the very people who may be put up at the sense of these increased measures —— walk buys. i understand that but equally i noticed a real shift this week and people contacted me on social media and by e—mail asking when i will open again. there has been a lot of chatter about shoppers being able to open from the 1st of june. i think people are very aware of what we all need to do to remain safe. i‘m very happy to do that and to stick to those measures. i think as long as i can, and anyone in the business environment can show that we are putting all those measures in place, i think people will be confident to come into the shop. but actually, at the end of the day, it is an individual choice and i think people will decide whether or not they want to make that choice or not. any few words, are you confident that some sort of normality will come back? —— in a few words it will be a new normality, one to? yes i am confident. i think it is great we have a day. we have very clear guidelines about what we need to do. i am confident that people will come back into the shop and, you know, we‘ll be spending again. actually, it is great that so many people in the village who have been local, they have had to stay local, who have been around and have noticed the local shops and have said that actually they will make an effort to come and support on a regular basis. perhaps not all bad. hopefully some positive will come out of this as well. i wish you all the luck. very good to talk to you. so how‘s this all going down with voters? david macken is a conservative voter from bracknell. members of his family have travelled to help with his care during the pandemic and he is sympathetic to mr cumming‘s situation. hejoins me now. thank you for your time. sympathetic because many families are facing very difficult decisions at the moment and your family are no exception? that's right. i am a paraplegic, i have kidney failure and there is a limited amount of support available locally for me at the moment. so, my daughter has travelled 100 miles, after a period of isolation, and my son and two weeks‘ time is coming 200 miles from loughborough to help me and recently i had to buy a used wheelchair because there is a limited service available from the local wheelchair service. and my brother—in—law came 60 miles to deliver that for me. my family has come to me to help me during this period and i can fully understand why mr cummings wanted to do the best for his family and i think there has been far too much zeal and far too much energy put into the cummings affair by the media, when we have got things such asa media, when we have got things such as a hospital closing its doors because there is a local spike in infections, which must have happened 7-14 infections, which must have happened 7—14 days ago, if they are right about the incubation period. that means people have been going to the beach and meeting and breaking lockdown rules for a good 7—14 days ahead of mrcummings, lockdown rules for a good 7—14 days ahead of mr cummings, ahead of the cummings affair. wright nobody listening to... nobody listening to your situation will argue with your children‘s decision to come and help you, regarding the position you‘re in. there is a matter of sense, common sense here. do you think there has been common—sense in the stories you have in the last 48 hours? i don't think so. i have seen more zeal and energy from journalists on this subject than i have throughout the entire lockdown crisis. i‘m a little bit disappointed in that, because the media are very powerful in this country, and the public are following their lead, and that‘s why you see approval ratings dropping. and that is possibly why you are seeing a fall in compliance with lockdown in places like western, where they are losing some confidence in the government. i think the issues are not dominic cummings, ithink think the issues are not dominic cummings, i think the issues are to do with the fact that the politicians, especially, are frightened to turn around to the public and say, actually, there isn‘t many of you who are faithfully following the lockdown rules, but there is a core of people who are ignoring them and look what has happened because of that. wright do you accept what some people are saying right now on the dominic cummings matter... that when someone ina cummings matter... that when someone in a position of power that she is makes a decision to protect his family and did what he died, the danger is that sends the wrong message? —— and did what he did, the danger is that sends the wrong message. i don't think it does send the wrong message. he was just looking after his family, which is a private affair. i don‘t think that he has done anything, assuming his account that she gave yesterday as correct, of course, —— assuming his account that he gave yesterday as correct. they can she gave yesterday seems to indicate he didn‘t put anybody at risk —— the account he gave yesterday seems to indicate he didn‘t put anybody at risk at all. i think he is a nice target for the media andi think he is a nice target for the media and i am reminded very much of the behaviour of everybody, from politicians and the media, during the brexit issue, which was not well handled at all by our country. i felt that democracy was actually falling apart at that time. like mcdavid, we are out of time, but i am most grateful and thank you very much forjoining us here this afternoon. -- david, thank you for joining us assassin. breaking news, the leaders of many of the uk parties have co—signed a letter calling for dominic cummings to be sacked, it is now a matter of record that —— they said that it is now a matter of record that dominic cummings broke rock down two lockdown rules —— a matter of record that dominic cummings broke lockdown rules. more on that coming up and notice them for the weather. greater london will be the hotspot today with highs... cloudy in the sky, compared with recent days. across wales and northern england, this line of cloud is what you can see of a weak cold front. no rain left on it, just a little bit of patchy cloud that is breaking up and drifting surfers. overnight we could well see some low cloud form across the hills and coast of south—west england. it is a mild night critically in the south of england and wales, temperatures 13—14d in cardiff and london by the end of the night. pressure air for northern england, northern ireland and scotland. over the next few days, that this warmer air in the south, pushing authors, a warming trend to our weather over the next few days. —— pushing authors. wednesday, sonny starts, an odd spot of rain in northern ireland, not amounting to much. temperatures will reach high 20s ina much. temperatures will reach high 20s in a few areas, for scotland and northern ireland and north of england generally into the high teens. that warmer air is on its way. as we go through thursday, a little rain from this front moves out of the way. that warmer air pushes in through the afternoon. sunshine for england and wales, a sunnier day for northern ireland, rain easing away from the far north of scotland, not a great amount of rain manger. the weather becoming brighter and warmer here as well. temperatures 22 degrees in belfast -- 20 temperatures 22 degrees in belfast —— 20 in belfast and 22 in edinburgh. friday, we are all into the warm air. the onshore winds will keep some of our eastern coastal areas just a little bit fresher. here, temperatures generally the high teens to low 20s. the warmest weather in man. edinburgh up to 24 degrees as we finish the week. —— the warmest weather inland. widely intraday low to mid 20s. that is your latest weather. —— temperatures widely into the low to mid 20s, that is your latest weather. this is bbc news, i‘m ben brown. the headlines: junior minister douglas ross resigns because of the government‘s handling of dominic cummings and his family trip during lockdown. isa is a government minister, you must be willing to defend the government policy and what the government are saying and i was not able to do that soi saying and i was not able to do that so i felt the only option to me was to resign from the government. meanwhile ministers continue to support dominic cummings — they say they understand public concern but insist he acted reasonably when making trips during lockdown. on the whole, as a man of integrity, he thinks that he did do the right thing. though he also recognises, as a fair—minded man, that there are many other people who... who may take a different view, and i understand that. a further 134 people have died from coronavirus across all settings in the uk, taking the total number to 37,048. weeks before they‘re back at work, retailers say they‘re worried about how they‘ll cope with stringent new restrictions, if shoppers do come back. back in business, the greek islands prepare to reopen to tourists. good afternoon. the leader of the scottish conservative party has joined a growing number of tory mps in criticising the behaviour of the government adviser dominic cummings during lockdown. we‘ll no doubt hear more about that in the downing street press conference in an hour‘s time. the department of health said 37,048 people had died in hospitals, care homes and the wider community after testing positive for coronavirus in the uk, as of 5pm on monday. that‘s up by 134 from the day before. john lewis is the latest retailer to confirm a "phased opening" of its stores in england from the 15th ofjune, with open air markets and car showrooms able to open from next week and shops two weeks later. and earlier, junior minister, douglas ross, who was under secretary of state for scotland, quit in protest at the government‘s handling of dominic cummings. our political correspondent nick eardley reports. has he done enough to save his job? mr cummings, were you telling the truth yesterday? do you think the public believe you? dominic cummings leaving home this morning, flanked by two police officers. i think what i did was actually reasonable in the... in the circumstances. downing street is hoping yesterday‘s extraordinary press conference, his account of why he drove his family 250 miles during lockdown to isolate, would be enough to move this story on. people will make their own mind up, and as dominic himself said, there will be many people who think his actions were wrong or mistaken, but looking at it in the round, i think his actions were reasonable. but this has been a messy few days for number ten. it has done damage to borisjohnson, and some fear it has harmed public health messaging, too, at a time when the government needs people to follow advice. douglas ross has resigned as a junior minister, one of a number of unhappy scottish conservatives. in a letter to boris johnson, mr ross said his constituents had missed funerals to follow lockdown rules, adding that, "i cannot in good faith tell them that they are all wrong "and one senior government adviser was right." this afternoon, the leader of the scottish conservatives said mr cummings had become a distraction and should consider his position. what is clear is now is that this is proving to be a huge distraction, both for the prime minister, the government, but much more importantly, on a uk successful approach towards tackling the virus and that is now where i think all our energies must lie. many mps are voicing there concerns, too. i think they have to say this has gone too far. there is a huge public backlash against what has happened, and the way in which it has been handled. it has become a distraction from the job of getting people back to work, back to school, protecting health, and rebuilding the economy. there are tory mps who think that mr cummings‘ account yesterday helped, and are desperate to move on to talking about something else. but others are still deeply concerned. excusing mr cummings sends out mixed messaging and risks undermining the government‘s authority. the anger out there in the public shows quite clearly that they feel it is one rule for them and one rule for government advisers, and that is a very, very dangerous position for the public to be in. during a time of crisis, we need the entirety of the population to be working together to try to get through this crisis. the government wants to move the focus to easing lockdown, but there continue to be questions over its defence of mr cummings. nick eardley, bbc news, westminster. our political correspondent jonathan blake is at westminster. we had to press conferences over the long weekend from the prime minister, one from mr cummings, a very long press conference in the rose garden at downing street, and together they hope to draw a line under this affair. it does not look like they have succeeded? under this affair. it does not look like they have succeeded7m under this affair. it does not look like they have succeeded? if they have not and still the story rumbles on. today, we have had a steady strea m on. today, we have had a steady stream of conservative mps making statements, setting out their anger, unease, disquiet, whatever you want to call it, varying levels of disagreement about what mr cummings had to say yesterday. you can tell by the wording of what these conservatives have had to say, that this is a very difficult issue for them and it reflects the fact that a lot of their constituents are getting in touch and making it known that they do not agree with what mr cummings did and they do not think that he should still be in his job. as you saw in nick‘s report, among those at speaking out is the leader of the scottish conservatives, jackson carlaw, of the scottish conservatives, jackson ca rlaw, and of the scottish conservatives, jackson carlaw, and the junior government minister here at westminster, douglas ross has resigned from his role at the scotla nd resigned from his role at the scotland office, saying he could not defend what dominic cummings has done. he has set out his reasons in a little bit more detail and it was that drive that mr cummings talked about yesterday to barnard castle which was the clincher for him. if you are struggling with your vision, you don't tend to get in a car and drive for 30 minutes and then drive 30 minutes back again, so that was the area that i really couldn't defend. as a government minister, you must be willing to defend the current policy and what the government are saying, and i was able to do ——was not able to do that so i felt i had no option left except to resign from government. one thing from the press conference yesterday was that he had warned last year about the threat of a coronavirus pandemic. there was some doubt now being cast on what was written at last year. this is an intriguing subplot to the whole affair. as you say, in his news conference in the downing street garden yesterday afternoon, dominic cummings said, only last year i wrote explicitly about the danger of coronaviruses and this is one issue with mrcummings coronaviruses and this is one issue with mr cummings setting out his side of the story in detail and commenting at length, as he did yesterday, is that people are now poring over every word that he had to say and people have been going back and trying to find what it was that mrcummings back and trying to find what it was that mr cummings was referring to specifically there. it appears it to bea specifically there. it appears it to be a blog he wrote early on last year which did indeed warn of the danger of pandemics starting from the leak at a biological lab, or a leak, saying that to the government should be funding attempts to improve security at such places. internet archivists have since run checks on that blog post and discovered that it was in fact edited early on this year to insert a more explicit reference to coronaviruses from an article which was linked to but not quoted from in the original post. i know this is a little bit complicated, but bear with me. downing street sources have acknowledged that a change was made and if you want to look in detail at this, i could recommend an article by our economic editor who set out in detail what mr cummings had to say and the subsequent changes to that blog and why potentially it is important, that is on the bbc news online, and as i say, it is one issue with the high—risk strategy that the government and dominic cummings took yesterday to set things out at length, things on the record that people now go back and checkin record that people now go back and check in some detail. jonathan, intriguing stuff, thank you very much for that. joining me now is susan michie, professor of health pyschology at university college london. she is a member of the behavioural science group of sage. that is the group that advises the government on scientific matters, especially during the pandemic. thank you for being with us. i‘m sure you watched and listened to dominic cummings yesterday, that long press conference. what did you make of what he had to say in terms of his defence of what he did during the lockdown? first of all, i would say i‘m speaking in my independent capacity. secondly, there may be a political crisis at westminster at the moment, but i think we absolutely have to remember that we have a public health crisis and alongside that, we now have a crisis of trust in the government and i think this issue of trust is absolutely paramount and needs to be built up as soon as possible. three things we know are associated with building up trust. one is being very clear, consistent and precise about the messages that are being given. secondly, being seen to be fair and just and thirdly, really respecting the people that one is talking to and really listening to them. i think going forward, there needs to be much more engagement with communities, much more listening, much more partnership, so that trust can be built again, because if we do not have trust, then really the adherence to the guidelines is challenged even more than it is after many, many weeks and to be muddle over messages a couple of weeks ago and that will mean that the pandemic will take longer to suppress and people will suffer unnecessarily. are you saying that dominic cummings has eroded public trust? i think the story is more about the government‘s handling of the issue. i think what the public wa nt the issue. i think what the public want is direct, honest and open communication. it does not appear, from what i have seen of the public response, that the public are satisfied with that, either in terms of dominic cummings, but also in terms of the way the prime minister and the cabinet has handled the issue. are you satisfied? because mr cummings said again and again he had acted legally and reasonably and followed his instincts. do you accept that? i'm speaking as a behavioural scientist, so what i personally believe it is neither here nor there. myjob is to understand the behaviour of the public in response to the pandemic and what the public need to do in order to try and defeat this pandemic as quickly as possible for top ina pandemic as quickly as possible for top in a nutshell, are you saying that the public will be less inclined to follow public health advice and guidance as a result of this whole affair? we are in a situation where we have been in a lockdown, a restricted situation, for many weeks and people have been amazing, the way they have risen to the challenge. up until a couple of weeks ago, pretty much 80% plus of people were really abiding very well to the guidelines. over that time, certain groups have more challenged, certainly young people, and there has been a drop every last couple weeks because there was rather mixed messaging a couple of weeks ago. in that situation, it is more important than ever that things are very clear, that things are very fair, and that the public are listened to and that the public are listened to and they are taken with the government leadership. indeed, that is what leadership is. i think we are ina is what leadership is. i think we are in a challenging situation. the public have behaved incredibly responsibly, even before lockdown was announced from the government, individuals and organisations themselves were locking down and i hope the british public will continue to show that responsibility, that conscientiousness, despite all the challenges and rise above the current political crisis. one of your fellow scientists the other day said that after borisjohnson defended dominic cummings, he had effectively trashed all the advice he had given on building a public trust. do you agree with your colleague? there are several papers being published by the committee that he and i sit on that outline principles of good communication, which i have mentioned already. principles of being direct and honest and open it. principles of treating the public with respect. principles of showing fairness. i think what my colleague was referring to, that there was a mismatch between the guidelines that had been, or the advice that had been given by this committee, that was obviously available to him along with other advice, and the behaviour that we saw. ok, thank you very much indeed forjoining us. pleasure. northern ireland has reported no coronavirus related deaths in the past 24 hours in its hospitals. it‘s the first time since the 18th of march that stormont‘s department of health has had a 24—hour period when it‘s registered no deaths linked to the pandemic. the department storesjohn lewis has said it will reopen its doors on a "phased basis" starting on june 15th — that‘s when the government‘s said most shops will be allowed to start selling again. car showrooms and outdoor markets will be able to welcome customers from next monday. retailers will have to place limits on the number of shoppers allowed in at the same time and introduce a one—way system. pubs, restaurants and hairdressers will remain closed. some smaller retailers say they may struggle to have government measures in place in time. nick beake reports. truly scrumptious in poole has been on the high street for years, but with nobody able to buy their penny sweets for the past two months, they have been losing hundreds of pounds. now, they are getting ready to reopen. i have reduced the floor space in my shop so that customers can only come in one at a time. i have installed a new glass screen to protect my staff and the customers. the government‘s decision to let customers return from the middle of next month gives her business a chance to survive. it is very important for my shop door to be open when it is safe to do so. we rely heavily on summer trade to see us through the difficult winter months. it has also been a difficult time for the car industry, but they will be able to open their showrooms even earlier, from next monday. one of the uk‘s biggest manufacturers says they have been ready for weeks. there will have to be disinfection between test drives, and inspections of the vehicles, but all of those things to meet government guidelines, and even go beyond, because obviously every manufacturer tends to go beyond guidelines to be doubly and triply secure. all of those things are ready now. in fact, we have been ready for two weeks. we have all got used to food shopping in a very different way during this crisis, and that will continue when other stores reopen. in each place, there is the question, "what‘s changed?" are there now specific entrances and exits? once inside the store, there may be signs showing a new one—way system. the two—metre distance rule will still apply. if that is not possible to keep, the advice is to cover your face. we are urged to avoid touching stuff we won‘t buy, and when it comes to paying, contactless is best. many shoppers will be delighted that their favourite stores will soon be reopening, but not everyone will be rushing back to the shops. that‘s because there‘s still the risk of catching the virus, although we are told it‘s much smaller now. of course, over the past few months, many of us have been doing much more shopping online from the comfort of our homes. but retailers hope customers will go back to their old ways. as a nation, we have been penned up for some time now. before this all happened, 70% of retail sales were made in stores, so although it won‘t return to that in the next sort of three to six months, we are hoping that people will go out and support their high street. there is still no word on when hair salons will reopen, so we will be at the mercy of our relatives‘ efforts for a while yet. but more places will be able to say they are open for business, yet it is far from business as usual. nick beake, bbc news. supercar maker mclaren group has announced that 1,200 jobs will be lost across its operations. that figure represents one quarter of its total workforce. the company has been struggling to deal with its production during the covid—19 pandemic, and will spread the job losses across its formula—1, road car and applied technologies operations. the scientist leading the uk‘s largest coronavirus tracking project says that people will have probably died prematurely, as a result of attending two major sporting events that took place in march. professor tim spector, from king‘s college london, has analysed data from millions of volunteers across the uk. he identified covid—19 hotspots following the cheltenham festival, and liverpool‘s champions league match against atletico madrid. well we can speak now to tim spector, professor of genetic epidemiology at kings college london. explain a little bit more about these findings, because at cheltenham in particular, i think there was something like a quarter ofa there was something like a quarter of a million people at that event just before the lockdown. yes, most people will know this, but we got ourapp going, it people will know this, but we got our app going, it went live on the 24th of march and within a couple of weeks, had 2 million people using it, we now have over 3.3 million people using it and this gives us, people using it and this gives us, people are reporting their symptoms so we can predict who has a covid—19 in the community, often very mild, so we get an idea in real time what is happening. what we noticed was that when the peak hit this country at around the 1st of april, we sought the classical spikes in london, birmingham, manchester, glasgow, where obviously most of the dense populations are in high numbers and you expect them to be a bit we also saw a peak in liverpool that was great than in manchester, which was kind of strange, because of the density of the populations of the two. we also saw that in the south—west of the country, which had very little disease, there was a relative hotspot around the cheltenham area, and we also saw in south wales, a peak that was also there that you could also link to previous sporting events. we cannot prove anything to stop these are all just associations, but when you think about the various events that happened two weeks before that, which is roughly the time it would ta ke to which is roughly the time it would take to get sufficient numbers in those areas up, you can start to see a pattern and can make the inference that there must‘ve been extra cases because of those masses of people coming togetherfor top because of those masses of people coming together for top —— there must have been. the prime minister himself went to that rugby match at strychnine, very shortly before the lockdown. -- twickenham. iwould probably have gone to that match as well without any great worry, but i think what we should learn is that learning from those mistakes and realising, looking at what other countries are doing. what are they doing better? why did they shut down first? rather than always assuming we know best in this country. there isa we know best in this country. there is a danger that we try to be too uk centric on this and we should say what i have other countries are for example listed seven symptoms of the virus that people should check before they go to work or do things? where other countries are wearing masks and having hand sanitiser is before going to events? i think we need to get all these things sorted out before sports will reopen again but i think we need to put all these things together, including getting more people to use the symptom up before we can really be safe to go out there. it is embracing all the technologies that we can to manage the risk, because there will still be risk in the weeks ahead and we haveit be risk in the weeks ahead and we have it to inform people about them. i remember at the time of those at sporting events, the government to sing the scientific advice was that they did not pose a huge risk, they we re they did not pose a huge risk, they were not particularly dangerous. —— the government saying. what is it about those at sporting events, when you have tens of thousands of people, very closely together, that promotes a transition so rapidly?” do not think anyone knows for sure, but i think the mistake we made was to say that we were modelling like this like it was just a bad flu, because if this had been a bad flu, every four years we get a really bad flu epidemic, we do not ban at sporting events, because we think that if it is outdoors it does not spread. clearly there are some differences in the way this is being spread compared to other flus and i think we have to give a much more open mind about this. do not treat it as open mind about this. do not treat itasa open mind about this. do not treat it as a bad flu, with its symptoms and a huge range of problems, we have to actually start collecting the data that more and stop trying to think we know exactly how it will behave. i think those are the lessons that need to be learnt as we try and get back to normality and realise we do not have all the a nswe rs realise we do not have all the answers so let‘s her on the side of caution and do as much in each area as we can, which means using all the tools we have got. i suppose what is unique about these two events is that in terms of cheltenham, you had people from all over the uk coming to that and going back across the uk, so potentially spreading the virus and in terms of the level liverpool at her to co—game, there was some thousands of people coming from spain to liverpool. love atletico game. the cheltenham one, the reason we didn‘t see huge spikes, it wasjust the reason we didn‘t see huge spikes, it was just relatively to the south—west, which was not badly affected, it was because those people left and probably had their infections a week or two later in different parts of the country and also a lot went back to ireland or france. the other influx was probably new infections coming in from spain, madrid, where they were two or three weeks ahead of us in this pandemic and would have had lots of infectious people, but because liverpool is a large place, it has other centres, it maybe wasn‘t as obvious at the time, as it would have been if it had been a much smaller and maybe that would explain the output outbreak around newport because there was an italian tea m newport because there was an italian team visiting that same weekend, after the twickenham game, that came from northern italy, exactly where the virus was really kicking off, and that is perhaps way that south wales epidemic, plus some rock concerts etc at the same time. we are learning but we have to learn from our mistakes and move on and i think this is where epidemiology can play a vital role and wipe this monitoring of the population for the next outbreak, which inevitably will happen, it really needs to be taken seriously and it will be great if, for example, the government would get behind us and support our app that 3.3 million people are using and get that to be used in conjunction with all these other track and trace procedures. ok, many thanks for that, very interesting to talk to you for top just to say, a government spokesman on this said from the department of culture, media and sport, it is our absolute pirated to protect people‘s health andi pirated to protect people‘s health and i advised is based on scientific expert. —— absolute priority. that is what the government have said and you can hear more on that investigation on bbc radio 4 at 8pm tonight. countries across europe are continuing to ease lockdown restrictions, as infection rates fall. greece, where the outbreak has had relatively little impact, has taken another major step. its islands have opened to domestic tourists for the first time in months. quentin sommerville reports. on a 100—mile—plus journey, these athens doctors are the first visitors to sikinos in months. the greek islands are accepting visitors again. the mayor of the island welcomes them ashore. we‘re greeted with elbow bumps instead of handshakes. there are enough coronavirus tests for whoever wants them. we do know that, so far, there haven‘t been any cases on the remote islands, but there hasn‘t been any testing also. there are only 250 people on this island and none of them have been tested for covid—19 until today. the village was built on a hilltop to safeguard it from pirates. they‘re hoping its isolation continues to offer protection. greece has had only 172 deaths from covid—19 and is leaving lockdown faster than expected. foreign tourists still have to undergo quarantine. terry harris has been living here for 40 years. i came here and i isolated myself for two weeks in my house and the lady from the supermarket — flora — she delivers everything, so they brought up, on a donkey, water and any supplies i wanted. at the temporary test centre, father theodorus leads the way. these tests are essential as greece prepares to welcome back foreign tourists in the coming months. today is the first day that everything comes back to normal, including restaurants and all the borders and ships, so we are concerned about everything being planned in the best possible way. greece is emerging from the pandemic earlier than others — not unscathed, but in better shape than most. isolation is a way of life here, but so, too, is tourism. the health of the islanders depends on both. quentin sommerville, bbc news, the southern aegean. this. the headlines. junior minister has resigned because of. handling of the affair over dominic cummings — and his family trip during lockdown. when you're a minister you must be willing to defend the government policy and what the government are saying and i wasn't able to do that so i felt the only option left to me was to resign from government. meanwhile ministers continue to support dominic cummings — they say they understand public concern but insist he acted reasonably when making trips during lockdown. on the whole, as a man of integrity, he thinks that he did do the right thing, but he also recognises as a fair—minded man that there are many other people who may take a different view, and i understand that. a further 134 people have died from coronavirus across all settings in the uk — taking the total number to 37,048. weeks before they‘re back at work — retailers say they‘re worried about how they‘ll cope with stringent new restrictions — if shoppers do come back. good afternoon and welcome to viewers on bbc one — in half an hour‘s time we‘ll bring you today‘s government briefing which will be led by the health secretary matt hancock. first today‘s main developments and the leader of the scottish conservative party has joined a growing number of tory mps in criticising the behaviour of the government advisor
GlasgowGlasgow-cityUnited-kingdomUnited-statesTwickenhamRichmond-upon-thamesMadridSpainWisconsinManchesterAthens you have an awesome staff. i would leave. plug my ears and run out of the room screaming. >> there will be a commercial break. i can get up and just leave when i finish my stuff, and that's a possibility. >> good luck, my friend. donald trump wants to campaign against bill clinton but today in new hampshire, bill clinton refused to play trump's game. >> every american should have a right to meet at least one president in a lifetime and in new hampshire your odds go way up. >> bill clinton returned to the trail in the state that famously made him -- >> the come back kid. i love this place, you know. >> donald trump is still targeting hillary clinton via bill and his past with women. >> she's got one of the great women abusers of all time sitting at her house waiting for her to come home. >> this is not the fight that the clintons want to have. >> i'm going to let him live in his alternative reality and i'm not going to respond. >> it's such an ot cycle that a man that bankrupted four companies is attacking a man that balanced four federal budgets. so you know, that's about what this is. >> we have a revolution going on. >> armed anti-government protesters have taken over a federal building. >> the group wants local control of this federal land. >> people are tired and they're sick of the stupidity that we're seeing coming out of washington. >> we're actually not demanding anything other than the government to adhere to the constitution. >> we don't have a constitutional right to use >> we're not going to take it anymore. we're not taking it. in new hampshire today bill clinton did something that no president has ever done before. campaign for his wife to become president of the united states. >> soon be 45 years ago in a couple of months when we met. we fell in love. i thought she was the most amazing person. there she was in that law school. she could have written her ticket to go anywhere she wanted. all she was interested in was providing legal service to poor people. >> yesterday the frontrunner for the republican presidential nomination welcomed bill clinton's public support for hillary clinton's campaign this way. >> she's married to a person that's a serious abuser, at the highest level. and she, you know, she's not an innocent victim. she was the one who would go along with him in this whole game that they play. you look at what happened with some of the people that he took advantage of and then she gets involved. she's not like the innocent person sitting by the side and you know, the tears in her eyes. she's a person that was very much involved. >> andrea mitchell caught up with bill clinton after his first campaign speech today. >> reporter: how do you feel about the kind of campaign that donald trump is running, sir? >> the republicans will have to decide who they're going to nominate. how i feel is only relevant when they pick a nominee. >> today in iowa a voter asked hillary clinton to respond to another trump attack. >> i'm interested in your response to the donald's comment that you and president obama created isis. >> i've adopted a new year's resolution. i'm going to let him live in his alternative reality and i'm not going to respond. [ cheers & applause ] >> joining us now, howard dean, former government of vermont. he's also an msnbc political and analyst, rick wilson and joy read is here, msnbc national correspondent. the clintons are not going near the latest round of donald trump accusations. >> it's interesting. the clinton's political pedigree is you hit them once and they deck you like in the face 18 times in response. and that they have this disproportionate response is what people expect. they're employing a different strategy. they're saying let him come at us. we're not going to give him any sound bites that he can use. i think it's the right thing to. >> >> and howard dean, i'm not sure if we see the full emergence of a clinton campaign strategy here yet. but if hillary clinton won't respond to trump on issues like isis, does that mean that their strategy might be to not respond to anything trump says so that it won't look like they're just isolating the bill clinton accusations as something they won't comment on? >> i don't really -- i have no way of knowing what the answer to that is. but i do think what they're doing is terrific. because in order to become president, people have to like you. and donald trump is really struggling in terms of people liking him. he may be saying things that appeal to people who are angry, but liking somebody is different. and they really do want to like the president. so i predicted a couple of weeks ago that this was going to blow up in donald trump's face. you know, he's very good, donald trump. he's got a terrific marketing personality. i don't think you want to take on the number one champion for the last 70 years, which is bill clinton in something that you might be a little good at but not very good at. >> he did give a lot of hints that he was going to talk about bill clinton tonight in massachusetts in his speech, which was one of the shortest he's ever given. maybe he's got a head ache or something. instead he didn't mention bill clinton at all. tonight he wanted to campaign against barack obama. let's listen to that. >> we don't need four more years of obama. that's what you're getting with hillary. no. that's what you're getting. and i believe it might be even worse if you want to know the truth. >> rick wilson, for republican audiences, which of these things that with eve heard trump say are the most effective for the republican audiences? >> well the repetition of another term of barack obama is most effective. the bill clinton stuff, it's not new information and trump bringing it up isn't going to move a lot of republican voters any further than they have been. everybody knows bad touch bill clinton. everybody knows this is a guy who engaged in behavior over a course of a decades that would put most people in jail. what it does is bring democrats home to hillary that we've seen in previous elections. in 2012, we saw in focus groups that when you brought it up that bill clinton was a bad actor in a million different ways, what happened is people say yeah, we like him still and we like her. it's a paradox and trump bringing it up, it feeds the republican base that loves to go to war mentality but it doesn't get you to an end state that changes it much. it makes democrats stronger for her and reminds republicans that bill clinton is a guy who spent a lot of time on sex slave island. >> so much to respond to here, joy, that i'm not sure -- go ahead. >> known quantities maybe if you read world net daily. but i think one important point in that giuliani analogy, he dumped his wife on national television at the time he was quitting his campaign. having run against hillary clinton and failed to, to succeed, he would understand -- >> no, joy he left the race because of prostate cancer. let's be precise about that. >> at the same time he was being hit on issues of police violence and abuse on which he had failed to respond and has responded in a way that got after american new yorkers -- >> much none of which polled. >> have you polled african american reporter? donald trump has a similar problem in that if he's going to invite the clintons to reverse litigate his history regarding women, he's not going to hold up well but i i think you make a good point that it reinforces for democrats the will to fight. that's what hillary clinton needs to most for the democrats to fight for her. >> let's look at this latest poll. this is a cnn poll. hillary clinton at 49, donald trump at 47 in a theoretical general election matchup. howard dean, they did not include bernie sanders in a matchup with donald trump in that poll as so many polls ignore bernie sanders when it comes to the one on ones. the last one we saw which included bernie sanders, he had a much bigger lead over donald trump. but that margin, what do you make of that? >> i don't make much of polls before the primary election. there's going to be a lot of people coming home on both sides after the nominee is decided and there is a ton of people in the middle who have yet to make up their minds. i think that's where hillary's huge advantage is. most people can see hillary as a competent president no matter which side they're on. really hard to see donald trump as a competent president. that's what is going to make the difference in the general election. >> let's look at the first trump tv campaign ad. they're going to spend a million bucks on this in iowa. let's take a look at this. >> i'm donald trump and i approve this message. >> the politicians can pretend it's something else, but donald trump calls it radical islamic terrorism. that's why he's calling for a temporary shutdown of muslims entering the united states until we can figure out what's going on. he'll quickly cut the head off isis and take their oil and he'll stop illegal immigration by building a wall on our southern border that mexico will pay for. >> we will make america great again. >> rick wilson, the trump campaign not content with the way things are on the southern border. did not use a shot of the mexican border. i'm told it's morocco. but it's filled a negative energy. >> donald trump is a fundamentally negative candidate. he talks about the decline of america, how we suck in the world, how the leaders are stupid. this is the guy who wants to be on the white horse but he has to frame the world as fundamentally dark and america as fundamentally failing. and frankly we're in a phase where folks are angry and pessimistic and they feel like the government has failed in a million ways, the splash damage that happens from trump doing this, it feeds the negative perspectives of the folks involved in supporting him and it makes them feel engaged, as one called it doomsday conservatism. he feeds the message of the core group of folks. and, you know, it doesn't sell a lot of new real estate here. it's the same message. and in that regard, that's the kind of ad you can expect from him. he's going to stick with themes that we's 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latest armed insurrection of the bundy family. this time the bundy family claims to be supporting the hammond family. two members of the hammond family for convicted of arson for fires that spread onto the national wildlife refuge. that is the scene of the bundy family's latest terrorist action. but the hammond family wants nothing to do with the bundy family wisely. they issued a statement saying neither ammon bundy nor anyone with his group organization speak were the hammond family. 2008 and stephen hammond surrendered to authorities in california to serve their prison sentences in the case. they did that today. the bundy gang invaded the federal buildings on saturday night when the refuge was closed and the buildings unoccupied. today white house press secretary josh earnest said this. >> the fbi has said they're working with local law enforcement official to resolve the situation. and we're hopeful that that situation can be resolved peacefully and without any violence in an interview today, ammon bundy said this. >> the only violence that, if it comes our way, will be because government is wanting their building back. and that's what it would be about. we're putting nobody in harm's way. we are not threatening anybody. we're 30 miles out of the closest town. we are here making this stand and we're doing it peacefully and we're doing it for the right reasons. >> ted cruz who was very sympathetic to the bundy family in their last insurrection is calling for them to stand down peacefully. >> every one of us has a constitutional right to protest and speak our minds. but we don't have a right to use force and violence on others. it is our hope that the protesters will stand down peacefully. our prayers are with those in law enforcement that are risking their lives right now, that they be safe. but there is no right to engage in violence against other americans. >> joining the panel now, richard cohen. a real change of tone for ted cruz on this one >> remember the bundy ranch standoff involved members of that malitia group pointing rifles at federal agents. part of the reason we're seeing them return to form here, out of their own state against the wishes -- >> the picture is one of the most pictures from that nevada standoff. he did not get arrested for that. >> no. no one did. >> no one did. and the fact that they got away -- >> one arrest was on someone had a minor gun charge and another minor arrest but not associated with what they're doing. >> not associated with threatening federal agents or law enforcement. and i think the fact that they got away with that emboldened this group to go out of their state against the wishes of the family they say they're supporting and once again in an armed standoff with the federal government. the thing that's incredible, the sheriff asked them to go, the family asked them to go. i'm not sure what i that ear trying to accomplish. are they seizing the federal land? and if so, for whom? >> is this a reaction to the way things were handled in nevada? >> i think joy is absolutely right. the bundy family saw themselves as heroes. they were lionized by people like cruz, trump, carson and rand paul. you know sean hannity extolled their virtues every day. and when no one was arrested the malitia world said courage is contagious. and the number of militias in our country have grown considerably since that time. what we're seeing is the predictable result of the failure of law enforcement to crack down because of what happened at the bundy ranch in april of 2014. >> let's listen to what marco rubio said about it today. >> you cannot be lawless. we live in a republic. there are ways to change the rules of the country. we get frustrated with it, that's why we have elections and have people we can hold accountable. and i agree there's too much federal control over land, especially out in the western part of the united states, states for example like nevada that are dominated by the federal government in terms of land holding and we should fix it. but no one should be doing it out of the way of the law. >> responsible commentary by rubio and ted cruz's change of tone and content on this one, how do you read that in. >> i think we've got to apply the rule of law evenly across all parts of the political spectrum. conservatives were cheering for, you know, swift law enforcement response to ferguson and baltimore and everything else and liberals are cheering, including some calling for the protesters to be shot by the federal government. >> rick, stop. stop. rick, stop. no one is calling for those guys in that wildlife refuge to be shot. >> jonathan shade yesterday said he'll take option two of shooting them. people have. so i think it's important to apply the rule of law evenly across all parts of the political do main. i think it's important for -- i think it's not a defense of the blm or the absurdity of the federal land holdings of the west of this country to say if these guys want to change this they need to go through a series of political steps, not just at the point of a gun. they have a legitimate right to protest and air their grievances, if this gets loud and folks die on both sides of the equation, it's not good for the republic. >> what should law enforcement do in this situation? >> i think they need to wait them out. there's in reason to provoke a con front facing. the bundy clan will eventually leave and when they do i think they should be arrested. >> joy, that's not what happened last time. >> not only were they not arrested but cliven bundy's $1 million that they still owed, the federal government has not enforced that. >> they're pursuing it in civil actions in federal court but it's like a bill collector chasing somebody. >> and what lesson have they indeed taught the malitia movements which have multiplying throughout the country. they've taught them there's a reward or no penalty for literally threatening at the force of arms the federal government. one of the people involved in this standoff made a martyr video. they haven't actually committed any violent act. but when you're making videos saying you're prepared to die, imagine a muslim group making that exact same statement on the video. the federal government would have a complete by different attitude toward it. people who are seeing a double standard here are not crazy. they're watching it unfold on american soil. >> it seems to be a singular standard that applies only to these kinds of guys when they pull something like this. >> well you know, look. i think everybody realizes that black people in our country are, you know, bear the brunt of excessive policing. i don't think there's really any question about this. i'm not sure this particular situation is very analogous to anything else. i think the point joy made is accurate. on the other hand, i hope that if black protesters took over a building no one would come in and start shooting them up when they 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the expense of the stability in the region. i think it's again just saudi arabia being selfish and not seeing things through. >> hillary, why do you think saudi arabia carried out this execution? >> i think it is part of a broader strategy. i share ahmed's view on this. i think that saudi arabia has an effective national security strategy but it's a strategy that involves arming, training and funding, especially funding armed militants from libya to afghanistan, throughout the entire region. it relies heavily on that kind of strategy. and using the united states, working with the united states to implement that strategy. it's a strategy that's worked incredibly effectively for the saudis. more people are starting to question whether this is effective or going reckless given this particularly mass executions. they've sustained one of the most dictatorial governments the world has ever seen. >> let's listen who that marco rubio said about this today. >> why is this president trying to portray himself as a neutral arbiter between two countries in dispute. saudi arabia is not perfect but they're not an enemy of the united states, at least not their government. there are things they do i'm not in favor with and i have strong problems with. but that being said, they're a military ally of the united states in that region. iran has been our enemy. >> ahmed, here's an execution where the guy is killed for what he has said, knoll nothing other than words he's spoken and we can't have a republican candidate who has any strong objection to that. >> that's not surprising. just as we heard saying that saudi arabia is not our enemy. we've giving them $100 billion in arms in five years. and it makes you kind of wonder and ask the question, well how did this region really fall and succumb to all of the sectarianism. it's proceeded the arab uprising and the american invasion of iraq. but you know i think we would be lying to ourselves if we can't admit that iran and saudi arabia are just as they are in syria and lebanon and many countries in the middle east now, and yemen, are vying for power because there's a security vacuum. and i think it's important to remember that it was the iraqi war, the invasion of iraq that really allowed for a lot of these things to start to grow out of control and allow governments like saudi arabia and iran to exploit those divisions for their own national gain. if you look in the mid '80s, the biggest conflict in the middle east in the '80s because between iran and iraq. two shiite governments that at the time, were you know, butting heads. and you had saudi arabia assisting iraq against iran. that kind of dispels the notion that everything in the region should be seen through the secretary lines. at the end of the day the reasons you don't see republicans saying that is the same brown you don't see the democrats addressing it. which i think at the end of the day we've allowed for better or worse knowing we are not for the people, the new saudi king, to take advantage of the vacuums. >> chris christie was asked today if he could be in any way sympathetic to the iranian reaction to this given that the man was executed simply for things that he said. and chris christie said he had absolutely no sympathies for the iranian side of this. >> yeah. unfortunately i think that's across the board. unfortunately not just in the republican camp but among democrats too. iran has been so vilified in the american public that it would be hard are think for ms americans to have sympathy. the biggest concern is more of what marco rubio said. that is grounded in american love affair with militarism in the middle east. and if we had to somehow have a normal regular relationship with saudi arabia that wasn't pumping billions of weapons into their pockets, a normal relationship not based on this militarism, that would hurt a lot of people here in washington. and we are attached to that to our peril. it was saudi arabia in 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>> yeah, on wednesday. the due date. >> i wanted you to be here for the totals. we're going to announce the totals of what we've done this season. the last time we updated the audience on the totals was before christmas. we were at $9,699,053. so, joy, give us the update. what's the latest numbers. >> i have them right here and i'm going to hand them to you. >> i want you to do it. i want you to have the honor. >> absolutely not. this is definitely for you to do. >> big secret. by the way, this is why we didn't do updates after christmas because you wouldn't tell me. all right. the total now of everything we've raised, scholarships total is now $1,905,178, the desks tote since we began the program is now $8,604,870. which brings the total -- oh boy. the total we've raised since we began this, $10,510,048. joy within you got us across the $10 million line. i never look up at goals on this thing. but i didn't think we were going to make it to $10 million, but you got us there. >> our viewers got us there. they're awesome. >> well you know, you just did a tremendous job of getting us through this. we couldn't do it without you. i don't know how i do the show without you. >> you'll be fine. you've done it before. >> thank you for everything you've done this year. we're going to be right back. we'll be right back all right. and congratulations, joy. congratulations lawrence. we are not done celebrating however. for all of you who have watched the success and the impact of the kind fun over the years, you're going to love the surprise. >> the joy conspiracy. >> the double joy conspiracy in full effect. >> i don't know what you guys are up to. it's a fact. kind of like ordering wine equals pretending to know wine. pinot noir, which means peanut of the night. no matter what nasty cold symptoms you get, alka seltzer plus liquid gels rush liquid fast relief to your tough cold symptoms. and they outsell mucinex liquid gels 2 to 1. alka seltzer plus liquid gels. introducing centrum vitamints. a brand new multivitamin you enjoy like a mint. with a full spectrum of essential nutrients... surprisingly smooth, refreshingly cool. i see you found the vitamints. new centrum vitamints. a delicious new way to get your multivitamins. all right. you have heard about the big news and the business surprise that we have in store for lawrence. yes eve been hearing about this for about 40 minutes. now i did surprise him with the news they was going to be taking over the f block of this show tonight. i have seized control of the situation. we're showing the feds how it's done. this is the takeover. the suspense is almost over for lawrence and you at home. the fitting way we're going to celebrate crossing that $10 million mark right here on the last word ostensibly with lawrence o'donnell. >> i stay right here? 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>> lawrence went to malawi with a vision to help students but he wasn't sure what could be accomplished. and there was someone else not sure what to expect as well. somebody who took you lawrence to the first school to meet the students and to meet the need. it's someone who helped the kind fund to make the ideas, to make these ideas about this desks come true. it is somebody who was there for the very first delivery. someone who has seen the scene of celebration play out in countless schools. ♪ ♪ >> let's bring out our special guest all the way from the african continent has. here to hemp us celebrate more than $10 million in donations, here he is tonight eats "last word" guest. please be welcome and sit down. >> thank you so much for coming. so great that you're here. >> pleasure. >> there would be nothing -- absolutely -- where are you stationed now? >> before we let lawrence talk, it's my honor to introduce to the "last word" audience, victor. >> i was in malawi for days and i found no way to have any desks made at all. victor took me to this place, what was then a little hardware store. and in the back room the motion who was running that place had one desk and one teacher's desk. and i said to him, could you make me 30 of those. it was wednesday afternoon. could you make them by friday for delivery. and he could. also the girls' scholarship idea was victor's idea. it was his idea. when we came back to do more when my daughter came, you sat us down and said, you know, it's time to think about how you might want to expand -- i could go on and on. we would have nothing. it's all victor. >> i would love to for you to explain to those at home who have not been following this, explain why it is that people need to donate to get desks and also to get scholarships for girls in ma low we. >> it all started with an e-mail and then we had our first meeting with lawrence. and we tried to explain what the situation was in malawi. essentially you had, you know, you need to construct schools but we were buying desks but they were not enough. so we said to him, look, we've got these schools that we're constructing and we've got many other schools in a deplorable condition. would you like to see both schools. so we went, you know, to a school that had a good classroom structure but kids for sitting on the floor. and then we went to another school where the roof had been blown off and there was no concrete on the floor, kids were sitting on the ground in the classroom and they were also sitting under a tree. >> and school isn't even free. >> primary school you have to pay. eight years of primary school you have to pay. kids enroll and by the time they reach 8th grade, only one out of four will actually reach. so they drop out for many reasons. but even worse, very few go on to secondary school. and it's secondary school they have to dig into their pocket to pay for school fees and so on. the challenges are completely huge, you know. and we understood very clearly that the desks were going to mean a lot to the kids. you cannot travel through malawi, go from school to school and not see kids sitting under a tree, you know, sitting on the floor. and they have to jump over incredible odds. but you know what? they get up every morning, every monday through friday within they're up going to school. >> walking miles, many of them. >> absolutely. 8 kilometers without shoes, you know. and sit in a classroom with about 100 other kids. it's huge challenges. >> and i know that -- >> i'm telling you i would have accomplished nothing without victor, absolutely nothing. it was his guidance got this whole thing started in the right way. i had bad ideas about how to do this. he had the right ideas. and the girls' scholarship program was his idea. >> it all came together. up to that point unicef had been buying the desks but it wasn't the numbers that we needed. so when lawrence comes says look, we can equip these schools with desks -- >> thanks to this audience. >> we spoke to the officials and this is the largest procurement we've done of desks to the day. >> lawrence you're not a guy who focuses a lot on yourself. but you inspired so many people, my family as well to get involved. congratulation to victor. >> i'm here to say thanks to lawrence and his viewers. >> $10 million dollars, it's 2016 and "hardball" has come to iowa and to hillary clinton. let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews in des moines where a pitched battle is on right now between the two party front runners, hillary clinton and donald trump. clinton accuses trump of a penchant for sexism. trump says this makes bill clinton fair game. all this is preview to my sitdown interview tomorrow night with secretary clinton. her first of 2016. the iowa caucuses are now exactly four weeks away and the two biggest races in american politics today is taking the stage tonight. donald trump is about to speak at a campaign rally in massachusetts. hillary clinton is here in des moines holding a town hall. katy tur joins us from trump's rally in massachusetts.
NevadaUnited-statesNew-hampshireAfghanistanIranVermontTown-hallMassachusettsCaliforniaSyriaUnited-arab-emiratesLebanon nations but many experts have their doubts. japan launched fighter jets to take radiation measurements and so far they report nothing unusual. the latest from senior foreign affairs correspondent drake -- greg is in our london bureau. >> reporter: indications we are getting as well, north korea did not test a hydrogen bomb. however according to experts, people watching north korea, the direction of their movement is alarming enough. on state television in north korea, the dictator kim jong un signing off on this alleged test of the h bomb of justice which our experts tell us today, he is seriously skeptical that it was a test of a hydrogen device noting the signature of the blasts did not match the size and nature of an age bomb tests and he did not think north korea mastered the technology of an h bomb. it is more sophisticated and more powerful than a, quote, normal atomic bomb like the one dropped on hiroshima like the devices north korea has been testing over the past couple years. finally analyst says he has no doubt an atomic device was detonated and that device, that bomb in the wrong hands can be just as dangerous in his new year's message to his people, kim jong and said his country is ready for war. as you can imagine north korea's neighbors are not enough festive mood this week, south korea saying the test was a grave provocation, even north korea at staunch ally china saying it was firmly opposed to the test. as for the u.s. a department they tweeted we call on north korea to abide by its international obligations and commitments. tough time. jon: thank you. jenna: afghanistan, specific challenge to the special apps forces after the taliban surrounded a group of them in a rescue helicopter crew in a province trapping a dozen inert compound, that standoff lasting hours as was our understanding with fierce fighting with the taliban, national security correspondent jennifer griffin is following this story at the pentagon. >> reporter: u.s. forces no longer are trapped in the compound but members of the quick reaction force sent in to rescue the injured americans are on the ground. those u.s. troops stayed behind to secure the damage blackhawk helicopter whose rollerblades hit the side of the compound during the first rescue attempt. that rescue helicopter remains grounded. last night we report a third rescue team managed to infiltrate the american special operator who had been killed along with the two injured americans and the crew of the downed u.s. helicopter but that was after they spend hours under attack in the compound surrounded by the taliban. we know all the original units that came under fire have been evacuated. this morning we spoke to colonel michael longhorn, a military spokesman who said, quote, u.s. special operations forces are conducting their advice and assist mission with afghan partners, and 12 airstrikes to support u.s. and afghan forces in that area since yesterday. a gunship was sent to fly cover for the u.s. troops while they were trapped in the compound. u.s. forces were trapped for at least we 6 hours, we received the first reports of killed and injured americans yesterday morning by the afternoon, the pentagon press secretary could not confirm the wounded americans had been evacuated. >> there is fighting on the ground as we speak and everything is being done to secure the safety of those americans and the afghan forces they were accompanying. >> reporter: senior military force describe the situation at the compound as, quote, heroin for those who were trapped awaiting rescue. at one point they looked at a satellite map of where the u.s. troops were holed up and the housing compound where they took shelter was surrounded by a sea of taliban any compounds. jenna: more as we get it, thank you. jon: let's talk about the emotional address we watched during "happening now" yesterday. president obama white away tears as he talks about the victims of mass shootings while announcing a series of executive actions on gun-control. >> inalienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, those rights were stripped from college kids in santa barbara. and from high school lawyers at columbine. and from first graders in newtown. every time i think about those kids it gets me mad. >> senior politics editor at the daily beast and executive editor at the daily caller. welcome to both of you. jackie, you saw the president put everything including his tears into this effort. will it get him what he wants? >> i don't think it will. he is dealing with several executive orders, will actually require action will actually require congressional action, something like matt atf hiring, you need funding for that and congress would have to provide that and i don't think that is going to happen in this environment particularly when you look at what is happening on the campaign trail. and control is a volatile issue enduring an election year even more so. jon: does it surprise you given it is an election year the president obviously wants to boost whoever succeeds him from the democratic side that he has taken up this issue? >> it surprises me absolutely especially if you are thinking about things politically because every time the president does something like this it pushes more and more voters into the gop's camp on gun-control. polling has shown routinely as these continue as a obama response to them over and over again, polling shows voters are heading in the republican party's direction on guns so put the president to do this at the beginning of a pivotal election year could absolutely work to the benefit of the republican party. jon: gun sales would indicate people are afraid of some kind of action from the obama administration that would limit their ability to buy a firearm. >> gun sales went up yesterday. jon: they have been going up for the last month. >> if you look at the results after newtown more gun laws, fewer gun laws on the state level than there were before newtown. it fill the coffers of the republican presidential candidates. based on the fund-raising e-mails, you can assume they made cash off of this announcement. jon: hillary clinton is presumed to be the democratic nominee who will succeed president obama in attempting to win the white house. she has also said she would be covered and he is on guns. can she win the oval office with that attitude? >> it is not clear. it plays well with her base and she is running in a democratic primary wary is important for her to go as far left as she can, stand on the issue of guns. right now this is all about winning a primary for hillary clinton. he is against bernie sanders who is pending in both iowa and new hampshire. whether he can win iowa is a question but new hampshire is a threat and she needs to juxtaposition herself to bernie sanders who is the most conservative gun record of the democratic field. jon: the white house and the president acknowledged none of the measures he is proposing would have prevented any of the recent shootings. his argument is you can still try to prevent the next one using these measures. gun proponents say the problem is illegal users of guns, criminals are not going to follow the law anyway. >> that is their argument and when you look at the executive actions as well as the ones he introduced three years ago in the wake of newtown a lot of these have to do with increasing enforcement and making sure the laws currently on the books are funded and enforced. not sure what your question was that that is the argument. there is that argument out there. >> there are elements that demand questions to be answered of the white house. one of them is the white house indicated as few as one gun sale could qualify somebody to register for background checks. what does that mean? every gun sold in the united states would trigger this requirement and there were many others including privacy protections being taken away from patients undergoing mental health issues, doctors have more incentive to go to the government because they changed the rules of what they're normally covered protections would have been to allow doctors to speak to the government so there are a lot of questions that continue with this executive action ended doesn't appear, simply enforcement matter. jenna: republicans calling for mental health reform might work with the white house because that is something they talk about and that is a detail, privacy concerns, something they need to workout. jon: thank you both. coming up next hour kentucky senator and presidential candidate rand paul says he will fight the president on this issue tooth and nail. he joins us on how exactly he plans to do that. mark your calendars, a quick reminder on the network that is america's election headquarters, thursday, january 14th the best in business host the next gop debate, first round starts at 6:00 p.m. with trish regan and sandra smith from our sister network fox business and a leading republican candidates take main stage at 9:00 p.m. eastern, maria bartiroma and neil cavuto will moderate that. jenna: the man who supplied guns to the terrorist in san bernardino is due in court today. and retail markets will be arraigned on gun immigration and terrorism related charges, he provided those rifles to the two terrorist and a couple use those guns to kill 14 people and injured 22 others. jonathan hunt is live from riverside, california where m q marquez is making his court appearance. >> reporter: he is due in court in one hour and 20 minutes. we may find for the first time a plea from him today given that this is his first court appearance since a federal grand jury handed down the five count indictment last week. he faces up to 50 years in jail on those charges, the most serious of which is providing material support to terrorists. that is in relation to him providing two of the rifles used in the dec. second shooting at the inland regional center. fbi officials say he was not aware of plans for that attack but provided rifles, another attack with one of the issues back in 2011-2012, and attack the was never carried out. meanwhile the fbi is trying to piece together some missing minutes of the movement of this couple's that carried out the couple, remembered there is a four hour gap between the shooting at the center and the shootout between the couple and the cops in which both the shooters were killed, 11:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m.. there is an 18 minute gap between 12:59, and 1:17 and the fbi is asking anybody who might have seen the couple to tell about it because they wanted peace together every one of those movements to know who they might have met with, what they might have done if they had disposed of any evidence during the missing 18 minutes. the fbi also talked at a long news conference about whether there was any foreign involvement in planning the attack. >> as of today we do not see any indications of a foreign directed terrorist act. this seems to be inspired terrorist act. >> reporter: undoubtedly inspired by the ideology of radical islam but according to the fbi, no individuals or groups outside the united states were involved in planning the deadly attack last december. jenna: a story to watch today, thank you. jon: the fbi also involved in another major case in the news, trying to resolve the situation in oregon. what members of the armed group of protesters are afraid of as the standoff on federal land goes on. new fallout from saudi arabia's move to cut ties with iran after protesters attacked a saudi embassy in tehran. other gulf nations are reacting and concerns the conflict is sparking at home. we want to hear from you. how concerned are you that north korea might actually have successfully tested a hydrogen bomb? live chat is up and running, go to foxnews.com/happeningnow to join the conversation. what makes this simple salad the best simple salad ever? heart healthy california walnuts. the best simple veggie dish ever? heart healthy california walnuts. the best simple dinner ever? heart healthy california walnuts. great tasting, heart healthy california walnuts. so simple. get the recipes at walnuts.org. jon: u.s. marine is in custody for shooting in texas the ended with the death of a college student. authorities say the group in corporal eric johnson's suv got in an argentine with the group inside the car driven by the 20-year-old woman. shot fired and she was hit in the head. a deposition for bill cosby's wife is postponed while an appeals court works through the court system. she was scheduled to be questioned today by the lawyers of women claiming bill cosby defamed them after they accused of sexual assault. a federal judge dismissed a lawsuit by the family of a boston man killed by james whitey bolger, relatives alleged fbi agent who for decades bolger killed a man the agent never told the families. the judge finding the fed had no legal duty to report what they had. jenna: saudi arabia severing relations with iran after attacks on saudi diplomatic, sparked by the execution of a prominent shiite cleric by saudi arabia. rising tension between two major oil-producing nations leading to fears about energy prices and what is to come, so far other factors outweighed the fear that could come into the market. a gallon of gas stands at $2 a gallon, still there has been plenty of fallout from the saudi arabian compound in the gulf states. john huddy is live with more. >> several city controlled countries have either cut ties or downgraded relations with shia controlled iran, with saudi arabia and that raised concerns about wide-ranging repercussions throughout the middle east and that is why several countries are calling for the escalation in tensions, today we are offering to be an intermediary, today iran's foreign minister is on the left of the video there, met with his iranian counterpart in tehran offering help as a mediator between iran and saudi arabia. so far he has not responded to the offer, iranian officials left saudi arabia and returned to tehran as the that does not bode well for the resumption of peace between the two countries and following saudi arabia's lead, but russia and sudan have cut ties with iran, they downgraded relations with its of diplomatic relations and kuwait pulled its ambassador staff, and to convey its condemnation of the storming of saudi arabia over the weekend and danger among protesters and iranian officials who centered on saudi arabia's execution of the shiite cleric who was executed saturday as we know along with 46 others and as i said the concern about the ongoing political route between iran and saudi arabia would have wide-ranging repercussions throughout the middle east and possibly further fuel sectarian violence between sunni and shiite and because of this support, closely following this and israeli officials in jerusalem as well. jon: armed protesters in a remote federal refuge for the fifth day even after the father and son at the center of the fight are back in prison. residents fear the standoff could end. north korea claims it tested hydrogen bomb. many experts have their doubts but what could it mean for international security if true? 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(whispers) now hide-and-seek time can also be catch-up-on-my-shows time. here i come! can't find you anywhere! don't settle for u-verse. x1 from xfinity will change the way you experience tv. jon: armed protesters who took over a wildlife refuge could face federal charges according to a local sheriff. the standoff is going into its fifth day putting neighbors on age and who wonder how it will end. a meeting is set for later today. authorities are working on a peaceful resolution that members of the group said they are afraid of a federal raid. the father and son who helped inspire the protests are back in custody. white and stephen hammond surrendered on monday in setting california, the judge ordered them back to prison for setting two fires on federal land. jenna: north korea claims it successfully tested a hydrogen bomb. such a detonation would push north korea's nuclear arsenal to new levels, there's a big if and we are waiting for confirmation. the announcement came from the leader of north korea, kim jong noon shortly after south korea reported a seismic event near the site of a previous nuclear test. the state department confirming seismic activity and condemning any such tests if it occurred. the science and specific still unconfirmed but a bigger question is emerging today not just about what north korea did but who they are working with. former said the assistance secretary of defense under president reagan, fox news military analyst, talking about reported connection in collaboration between north korea and iran and in full transparency there are circles of academics who believe this connection doesn't exist and others who are confident that does. we are operating a little in this gray area but the report goes back to the 1990s for further about the collaboration and a specific elaboration that concerns you. >> we know the iranians, the last nuclear test a couple years ago. we know the iranians are helping the north koreans to miniature rise nuclear weapons. the north korean scientific community is the game who can't shoot straight. they have had several failures in years past and all of a sudden the iranians show up and are successful. that suggests the iranian nuclear test site facility is actually in north korea and what does this say about our nuclear deal with iran? iran is able to circumvent it by using their technological colleagues in pakistan and test flight facilities in north korea to push had their own nuclear ambitions and by the way, what about the rockets? the iranians and north koreans are developing long-range intercontinental ballistic missiles by collaborating together. this is an international strategic conspiracy of cosmic proportions. >> north koreans will test a missile and all of a sudden it appears in iran, they paint the side and, another missile. they really are collaborating. we note iranian engineers have been present at the nuclear tests. whether it is halfwit between iranian and the hydrogen bomb the key is miniatures asian. if you can get a nuclear weapons small inert which a hydrogen weapon would be it could be small enough to put on the top of a missile. a missile, we know the north koreans and iranians have tested missiles that can go 1,000 miles so if you could have a miniature nuclear weapon and a missile that can reach from iran, reach europe, from north korea could reach japan or the west coast of the united states you're in a whole different world, intercontinental ballistic missiles that carry nuclear weapons that can reach far from the local neighborhood and that means the japanese, south koreans have to be nervous about north korea and it means the europeans, others in the middle east have to be very concerned about the potential capability of an iranian nuclear program. jenna: in 2011, five years to the day, bob gates, secretary of defense in china said in 2011 that he was gravely concerned about north korea and where north korea will be in five years. five years later the news of the day. both republicans and democrats have failed in containing and deterring north korea. what is our move to date? >> you hit the nail on the head, bob gates is right, the horse is out of the barn. this is a country with a $60 billion gnp, $4 billion go to military hardware, they have got their technological connection with iran, explode nuclear weapons within their own territory. i am afraid this strategy, obama strategy of strategic patience is over. there isn't a lot you can do the can't put sanctions on a country with a population that is starving. you can't stop their importation of illegal money. sadly i am afraid the north koreans are on a roll and there is little if anything the united states or china or the u.n. can do. >> i disagree. we may not be able to stop the north korean program but we can get a defensive program from the united states. i was in a white house the night president obama gamecocks star wars speech in 1983 and he called on the american scientific community to develop the shield that would protect the united states from incoming missiles. we were worried about soviet missiles, chinese missiles, now we have a whole new era where we could be worried about nuclear-weapons from other rogue countries. we need to accelerate and try to reverse the halt we have put to the missile defense program. we need to do it. >> i agree. what i meant was we can't stop march 3rd's offensive efforts but we can bolster our defensive means to keep the north korean missile from reaching united states. >> what does deterrance look like in today's world? i wish we could have a long conversation about that today. great to have you both, we will continue to watch the story. thank you. >> you might have seen the new netflix documentary series sparking widespread calls for the release of a convicted murderer. the former prosecutor says the show presented a biased view of the case. >> what is the most persuasive evidence you had against him that the series's makers left out? >> jon: a wildly popular netflix documentary series has fans calling for the release of a murderer. it focuses on steven avery. the show explores the possibility they were framed. but the former prosecutor says key evidence was left out of the documentary. reporter: what do you think was the most persuasive evidence you had against him that the series makers left out. >> the dna found on the hood latch of the victim's car. the victim's suv is hidden by mr. avery and mr. darby. he told law enforcement his uncle steven went under the hood. jon: she was supposed to meet avery at her home to take pictures of a vehicle for a magazine. so let's talk about your former prosecutors' experience. there are hundreds of thousands of people petitioning the white house and the county for a new trial. but is there anything that would suggest he should get one other than a documentary? >> actual inference means a person may not or did not commit a crime. wrongful conviction can mean a fern wrongfully convicted would warrant a trial. we don't know in avery is innocent but there is evidence to suggest he may have been wrongfully convicted. that from the juror who came forward. jon: he called the filmmakers ahead of time. he said i was in that jury room. i didn't want to vote for conviction but i felt pressured. >> when a juror feels a person is not guilty. but votes guilty, that is a problem. in every trial when a guilty verdict is reach. the judge will poll the jurors and ask is this your true verdict of each and every juror. and they state under oath that that is their verdict. jon: the prosecuteddor said there are a few things he would do differently if he held this trial over again. he says he would not have involved the police department from the town because there are officers who had been involved in the previous conviction against steven avery. officers who are still investigating him on this murder case. >> that's a no-brainer. when you are laying out evidence you are getting a department that wrongfully convicted somebody, that's an obvious mistake. it definitely was a no-brainer for the prosecution i think to avoid presenting evidence. i think that that was what the defense was harping on and used as a defense to say that they are actually presenting evidence from police departments that targeted avery. jon: avery apparently has an i.q. of 70, not entirely intellectually there. his nephew who was convicted with him is apparently in worse shape interests electric actually and was interrogated without any kinds of an attorney present. >> the thing that bothers me the most about this conviction. the nephew was interrogated because his lawyers told the police, go talk to him. his lawyers sent an investigator who helped him along to give information that actually would not even get true information. so when you have a lawyer who tells the police go talk without me. and that statement should have been kept out. >> he was a minor. you don't send a minor to speak to law enforcement. he was being led and fed. jon: is that not enough to bring about a new trial? >> with the nephew's case, yes. the judge erred by allowing that statement in because the attorney brought before the commission and the attorney was not disciplined, which that attorney probably should have been. that attorney got the case and before talking to his client gave media interviews saying my client is guilty of this but it's his uncle's fault. jon: the former prosecutor was given an opportunity to participate in the documentary but he didn't take it. now he's saying it's a one-sided picture. >> it's bringing forward the injustice in the criminal justice system and it's easy for people to fall prey to improper prosecutorial techniques. the producers or creators spent so much time with avery's family it is kind of one-sided. the show is concerned with ratings so we do have to remember that. jon: this is not a criminal courtroom. thank you both. reporter: experts say a cyber attack got a big chunk of' sue crane's power grid. it would be the first successful black energy attack. we'll take a look at the risk to america's power grid. jenna: ukraine says hearing are behind a power outage in that country. the lights went out right before christmas along the eastern part of ukraine. it was malware that affected the power structure. worries mount about the vulner bivment our tour grid at home. here is the reason why we are talk about this today. you say our critical infrastructure here in the united states is infected with this malware? how and what does that mean? >> dhs put out a report a year ago talking about how much of our critical infrastructure has been infected with this black energy mall ware. they discovered it? industrial control systems. so now when we see what happened in the sue crane and now that we understand iran got access to one of our dams, one of the other things. a company in germany, one of their blast furnaces at a steel mill was taken off line. this was a harbinger of things to come. i'll tell you the fact that they demonstrated it shows what they can do on a massive scale inside our own critical infrastructure. jenna: who is "they"? >> it's a group dubbed sand worm. we we talked about the virus in iran. there is a lot of ties to russia and we know between ukraine and flit waynandlithuania and theref tension. if you connect the dots, there is a lot of things that point to not only a group, but a group inside of russia. jenna: in the simplest of terms what is black energy malware? >> it is something that goes in and can help take control something. in some intrusions they don't want you to know they have been there. this one has a feature that allows you to go in and invade the system, take control it, then start wiping things. it wipes 4,000 different times of files. it has a feature called kill disk. it kills the hard drive. then it causes the system to reboot. the control system, the brains of this system was take offline and when they rebooted the power went out. jenna: a member of the pry have the sector said he found the fingerprints and believes it was a successful black energy malware attack. you say it's already in our infrastructure and hiding here in the united states. if we know it's there, can we clean it up and get it out? >> you can if you know where to look. this is a hotel with 10,000 rooms. you want to find the one room with the one piece of paper in it that's hiding somewhere in that room. it's very difficult. this is a huge complex prong made more difficult made by the fact that a lot of these critical infrastructure systems don't have the most modern cyber-security. it becomes difficult to hund room by room, floor by floor to find this stuff. it's something that has to be done. if they don't you will see the ukraine repeated over and over again. jenna: just to review the scenario for our viewers. it's ukraine, the end of december, it's freezing. you have hundreds of thousands of people without electricity. and a big question about how to bring the power back online. what's your understanding of how the power came back and what do you think the scenario is for us. what really is the recovery time? >> a couple things. the first thing is they were fortunate it did rebound. they brought it back in half a day to a day. and they say the good news is it came back. that's like saying it's just a flesh wound. here is the problem when it's cold, being a former kansas state trooper. when you have power go out you have a cascading series of event, medical emergencies, response times, nursing homes. my mother before she passed away was in an -- an assisted living facility and the power went out. it will tax healthcare, emergency response, 911, utility. you knock the first one down, jenna, 10 more will fall behind. jenna: do you believe we'll be able to come back online in a day and a half or so. >> we were so inner dependent, maybe, but on a big scale, no. morgan, it's great to have you. thank you. >> i was strand in a few kansas blizzards. >> a deadly terror attack on a french magazine. marco rubio was missing - fundraising in california instead. two weeks later, terrorists struck again in san bernardino... and where was marco? 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JerusalemIsrael-general-IsraelChinaCaliforniaUnited-statesRussiaSan-bernardinoUkraineSudanTehranIran surprise to me ap and in my laziness, you know, the feeling that oh great, i don't have to write anything for the last, i said okay. now i'm wicked nervous. have you ever done anything like this, you have no idea what's coming in your tv show? >> i'm so controlling that i'm stressed that's going to happen in your tv show. what are you going to do? hide under the desk? >> it's theirs, the last block is theirs. i have no idea what's going to happen. you're not involved, i take snit. >> no. you have an awesome staff. i would leave. plug my ears and run out of the room screaming. >> i can get up and leave when i finish my stuff and that's a possibility. >> good luck, my friend. donald trump wants to campaign against bill clinton but today in bill clinton refused to play trump's game. >> every american should have a right to meet at least one president in a lifetime and in new hampshire your odds go way up. >> bill clinton returned to the trail that famously made him --. >> the comeback kid. i love this place, you know. >> donald trump is still targeting hillary clinton via bill and his past with women. >> she's got one of the great women abusers of all time sitting at her house waiting for her to come home. >> this is not the fight that the clintons want to have. >> i'm going to let him live in his alternative reality and i'm not going to respond. >> a man that bankrupted four companies is attacking a man who balanced four federal budgets. that's about what this is. >> we have a revolution going on. >> armed anti-government protests have taken over a federal building. >> the group wants local control of this federal land. >> people are tired and they're sick of the stupidity that we're seeing coming out of washington. >> we're not demanding anything other than the government to adhere to the constitution. >> we don't have a constitutional right to use force and violence on others. >> we're not going to take it anymore. we're not taking it. in new hampshire today bill clinton did something that no president has ever done before. campaign for his wife to become president of the united states. >> soon be 45 years ago in a couple of months when we met. we fell in love. i thought she was the most amazing person. there she was in that law school. she could have written her ticket to go anywhere she wanted. all she was interested in was providing legal service to poor people. >> yesterday the front runt are for the republican presidential nomination welcomed bill clinton's public support for hillary clinton's campaign this way. >> she's married to a person that's a serious abuser, at the highest level. and she, you know, she's not an innocent victim. she was the one who would go along with him in this whole game that they play. you look at what happened with some of the people that he took advantage of and then she gets involved. she's not like the innocent person sitting by the side and you know, the tears in her eyes. she's a person that was very much involved. >> andrea mitchell caught up with bill clinton after his first campaign speech today. >> reporter: how do you feel about the kind of campaign that donald trump is running, sir? >> the republicans will have to decide who they're going to nominate. how i feel is only relevant when they pick a nominee. >> today in iowa a voter asked hillary clinton to respond to another trump attack. >> i'm interested in your response to the donald's comment that you and president obama created isis. >> i've adopted a new year's resoluti resolution. i'm going to let him live in his alternative reality and i'm not going to respond. [ cheers & applause ] >> joining u us now, howard deen, former government of vermont. he's also an msnbc political and analyst, rick wilson and joy read is here, msnbc national correspondent. the clintons are not going near the latest round of donald trump accusations. >> it's interesting. the clinton's political pedigree is you hit them once and they deck you like in the face 18 times in response. and that they have this disproportionate response is what people expect. they're employing a different strategy. they're saying let him come at us. we're not going to give him any sound bites that he can use. i think it's the right thing to. >> >> and howard deen, i'm not sure if we see the full emergence of a clinton campaign strategy here yet. but if hillary clinton won't respond to trump on issues like isis, does that mean that their strategy might be to not respond to anything trump says so that it won't look like they're just isolating the bill clinton accusations as something they won't comment on? >> i don't really -- i have no way of knowing what the answer to that is. but i do think what they're doing is terrific. because in order to become president, people have to like you. and donald trump is really struggling in terms of people liking him. he may be saying things that appeal to people who are angry, but liking somebody is different. and they really do want to like the president. so i predicted a couple of weeks ago that this was going to blow up in donald trump's face. you know, he's very good, donald trump. he's got a terrific marketing personality. i don't think you want to take on the number one champion for the last 70 years, which is bill clinton in something that you might be a little good at but not very good at. >> he did give a lot of hints that he was going to talk about bill clinton tonight in massachusetts in his speech, which was one of the shatterest he's ever given. maybe he's got a head ache or something. instead he didn't mention bill clinton at all. tonight he wanted to campaign against barack obama. let's listen to that. >> we don't need four more years of obama. that's what you're getting with hillary. no. that's what you're getting. and i believe it might be even worse if you want to know the truth. >> rick wilson, for republican audiences, which of these things that with eve heard trump say are the most effective for the republican audiences? >> well the repetition of another term of barack obama is most effective. the bill clinton stuff, it's not new information and trump bringing it up isn't going to move a lot of republican voters any further than they have been. everybody knows bad touch bill clinton. everybody knows this is a guy who engaged in behavior over a course of a decades that would put most people in jail. what it does is bring democrats home to hillary that we've seen in previous lixs. in 2012, we saw in focus groups that when you brought it up that bill clinton was a bad actor in a million different ways, what happened is people say yeah, we like him still and we like her. it's a paradox and trump bringing it up, it feeds the republican base that loves to go to war mentality but it doesn't get you to an end state that changes it much. it makes democrats stronger for her and reminds republicans that bill clinton is a guy who spent a lot of time on sex slave island. >> so much to respond to here, joy, that i'm not sure -- go ahead. >> known quantities maybe if you read world net daily. but i think one important point in that giuliani analogy, he dumped hi wiech on national television at the time he was quitting his campaign. having run against hillary clinton and failed to, to succeed, he would understand -- >> no, joy he left the race because of prostate cancer. let's be precise about that. >> at the same time he was being hit on issues of police violence and abuse on which he had failed to respond and has responded in a way that got after american new yorkers -- >> much none of which pold. >> have you pold african american reporter? donald trump has a similar problem in that if he's going to invite the clintons to reverse litigate his history regarding women, he's not going to hold up well but i i think you make a good point that it reinforces for democrats the will to fight. that's what hillary clinton needs to most for the democrats to fight for her. >> let's look at this latest poll. this is a cnn poll. hillary clinton at 49, donald trump at 47 in a theoretical general election matchup. howard deen, they did not include bernie sanders in a matchup with donald trump in that poll as so many polls ignore bernie sanders when it comes to the one on ones. the last one we saw which included bernie sanders, he had a much bigger lead over donald trump. but that margin, what do you make of that? >> i don't make much of polls before the primary election. there's going to be a lot of people coming home on both sides after the nominee is decided and there is a ton of people in the middle who have yet to make up their minds. i think that's where hillary's huge advantage is. most people can see hillary as a competent president no matter which side they're on. really hard to see donald trump as a competent president. that's what is going to make the difference in the general election. >> let's look at the first trump tv campaign ad. they're going to spend a million bucks on this in iowa. let's take a look at this. >> i'm donald trump and i approve this message. >> the politicians can pretend it's something else, but donald trump calls it radical islamic terrorism. that's why he's calling for a temporary shutdown of muslims entering the united states until we can figure out what's going on. he'll quickly cut the head off isis and take their oil and he'll stop illegal immigration by building a wall on our southern border that mexico will pay for. >> we will make america great again. >> rick wilson, the trump campaign not content with the way things are on the southern border. did not use a shot of the mexican border. i'm told it's moroccmorocco. but it's filled a negative energy. >> donald trump is a fundamentally negative candidate. he talks about the decline of america, how we suck in the world, how the leaders are stupid. this is the guy who wants to be on the white horse but he has to frame the world as fundamentally dark and america as fundamentally failing. and frankly we're in a phase where folks are angry and pessimistic and they feel like the government has failed in a million ways, the splash damage that happens from trump doing this, it feeds the negative perspectives of the folks involved in supporting him and it makes them feel engaged, as one called it doomsday conservatism. he feeds the message of the core group of folks. and, you know, it doesn't sell a lot of new real estate here. it's the same message. and in that regard, that's the kind of ad you can expect from him. he's going to stick with themes that we's comfortable with. >> is that ad going to get any more voter for donald trump in your neighboring state of new hampshire? >> it is possible that it might. the sort of the anger vote could be consolidated by donald trump. and i think that's what he's -- i agree on this. 100%. but he does have a vote and he's going to get there. the problem for the republicans, there's three or four moderate candidates who have a much better chance against hillary clinton and neither one of them are going to get more than 11%. all he has to do is get 28% and he's in business in new hampshire and the rest of them aren't. coming up, the last time the bundy family had a standoff on federal land against the federal government several republicans seemed to be on their side. what are they saying now? i know you're about to go to break. >> i am going to break. >> you threw the stuff on the paper. there's things happening. there are things happening. i am going to jump in here. >> i'm so uncomfortable. >> you cannot miss the end of the show. >> what to you know that i don't? >> all i know is there's a big surprise waiting for you, lawrence o'donnell. your staff put it together. >> do you know more than i know? 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and if so, for whom? >> is this a reaction to the way things were handled in nevada? >> i think joy is absolutely right. the bundy family saw themselves as heroes. they were lionized by people like cruz, trump, carson and rand paul. you know sean hannity extolled their virtued every day. and when no one was arrested the malitia world said courage is contagious. and the number of militias in our country have grown considerably since that time. what we're seeing is the predictable result of the failure of law enforcement to crack down because of what happened at the bundy ranch in april of 2014. >> let's listen to what marco rubio said about it today. >> you cannot be lawless. we live in a republican. there are ways to change the rules of the country. we get frustrated with it, that's whee we have elections and have people we can hold accountable. and i agree there's too much federal control over land, especially out in the western part of the united states, states for example like nevada that are dominated by the federal government in terms of land holding and we should fix it. but no one should be doing it out of the way of the law. >> responsible commentary by rubio and ted cruz's change of tone and content on this one, how do you read that in. >> i think we've got to apply the rule of law evenly across all parts of the political spectrum. conservatives were cheering for, you know, swift law enforcement response to ferguson and baltimore and everything else and liberals are cheering, including some calling for the protesters to be shot by the federal government. >> rick, stop. stop. rick, stop. no one is calling for those guys in that wildlife refuge to be shot. >> jonathan shade yesterday said he'll take option two of shooting them. people have. so i think it's important to apply the rule of law evenly across all parts of the political do main. i think it's important for -- i think it's not a defense of the blm or the on surdty of the federal land holdings of the west of this country to say if these guys want to change this they need to go through a ser reese of political accepts, not just at the point of a gun. they have a legitimate right to protest and air their grievances, if this gets loud and folks die on both sides of the equation, it's not good for the republic. >> what should law enforcement do in this situation? >> i think they need to wait them out. there's in reason to provoke a con front facing. the bundy clan will eventually leave and when they do i think they should be arrested. >> joy, that's not what happened last time. >> not only were they not arrested but cliven bundy's $1 million that they still owed, the federal government has not enforced that. >> they're pursuing it in civil actions in federal court but it's like a bill collector chasing somebody. >> and what lesson have they indeed taught the malitia movements which have multiplying throughout the country. they've taught them there's a reward or no penalty for literally threatening at the force of arms the federal government. one of the people involved in this standoff made a martyr video. they haven't actually committed any violent act. but when you're making videos saying you're prepared to die, imagine a muslim group making that exact same statement on the video. the federal government would have a complete by different attitude toward it. people who are seeing a double stand dand here are not crazy. they're watching it unfold on american soil. >> it seems to be a singular standard that applies only to these kinds of guys when they pull something like this. >> well you know, look. i think everybody realizes that black people in our country are, you know, bear the brunt of excessive policing. i don't think there's really any question about this. i'm not sure this particular situation is very analogous to anything else. i think the point joy made is accurate. on the other hand, i hope that if black protesters took over a building no one would come in and start shooting them up when they could easily wait them out. >> thank you for joining us tonight. appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up next, the fight against the islamic state just got much more complicated after saudi arabia excused a muslim cleric who had a strong following in iran. y to love youe when that lax loves your body back. only miralax hydrates, eases and softens to unblock naturally, so you have peace of mind from start to finish. love your laxative. miralax. they are. do i look smarter? 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they had to know what the reaction would be to this execution. >> that's the right question to be asking. not only did they know. i think this is another example of how saudi arabia is exploitiexploit ing sectarianism in the area. you know, there's no denying that iran and saudi arabia, above being the symbols of shia and sunni symbols, they're two powers that are vying for power. to your point, this was ill-conceived, poorly thought out and will prove tore counter productive. just like the war in yemen. in addition to being critical of, you know, the audi arabian government and the monarchy, he was critical of the war in yemen. and specifically thousands of innocent civilians are died in this war. saudi arabia may be trying to galvanize sunni support not just for the war but for saudi arabia's other endeavors in the region, and at the expense of the stability in the region. i think it's again just saudi arabia being selfish and not seeing things through. >> hillary, why do you think saudi arabia carried out this execution? >> i think it is part of a broader strategy. i share ahmed's view on this. i think that saudi arabia has an effective national security strategy but it's a strategy that involves arming, training and funding, especially funding armed militants from libya to afghanistan, throughout the entire region. it relies heavily on that kind of strategy. and using the united states, working with the united states to implement that strategy. it's a strategy that's worked incredibly effectively for the saudis. more people are starting to question whether this is effective or going reckless given this particularly mass executio executions. they've sustained one of the most dictatorial governments the world has ever seen. >> let's listen who that marco rubio said about this today. >> why is this president trying to portray himself as a neutral arbiter between two countries in dispute. saudi arabia is not perfect but they're not an enemy of the united states, at least not their government. there are things they do i'm not in favor with and i have strong problems with. but that being said, they're a military ally of the united states in that region. iran has been our enemy. >> ahmed, here's an execution where the guy is killed for what he has said, knoll nothing other than words he's spoken and we can't have a republican candidate who has any strong objection to that. >> that's not surprising. just as we heard saying that saudi arabia is not our enemy. we've giving them $100 billion in arms in five years. and it makes you kind of wonder and ask the question, well how did this region really fall and succumb to all of the sectarianism. it's proceeded the arab uprising and the american invasion of iraq. but you know i think we would be lying to ourselves if we can't admit that iran and saudi arabia are just as they are in syria and lebanon and many countries in the middle east now, and yemen, are vying for power because there's a security vacuum. and i think it's important to remember that it was the iraqi war, the invasion of iraq that really allowed for a lot of these things to start to grow out of control and allow governments like saudi arabia and iran to exploit those divisions for their own national gain. if you look in the mid '80s, the biggest conflict in the middle east in the '8 0s because between iran and iraq. two shiite governments that at the time, were you know, butting heads. and you had saudi arabia assisting iraq against iran. that kind of dispels the notion that everything in the region should be seen through the secretary lines. at the end of the day the reasons you don't see republicans saying that is the same brown you don't see the democrats addressing it. which i think at the end of the day we've allowed for better or worse knowing we are not for the people, the new saudi king, to take advantage of the vacuums. >> chris christie was asked today if he could be in any way sympathetic to the iranian reaction to this given that the man was executed simply for things that he said. and chris christie said he had absolutely no sympathies for the iranian side of this. >> yeah. unfortunately i think that's across the board. unfortunately not just in the republican camp but among democrats too. iran has been so vilified in the american public that it would be hard are think for ms americans to have sympathy. the biggest concern is more of what marco rubio said. that is grounded in american love affair with militarism in the middle east. and if we had to somehow have a normal regular relationship with saudi arabia that wasn't pumping billions of weapons into their pockets, a normal relationship not based on this militarism, that would hurt a lot of people here in washington. pa and we are attached to that to our peril. it was saudi arabia in 1979 that with us started to arm and train those in afghanistan that brought us osama bin laden and 9/11. holding on to this idea that they're our military ally has only hurt us and it will continue to hurt us. >> that will be the last word on it tonight. thank you both for joining us tonight. coming up, president obama takes executive action on gun control. you owned your car for four years, you named it brad. you loved brad. and then you totaled him. you two had been through everything together. two boyfriends, three jobs... you're like nothing can replace brad. then liberty mutual calls, and you break into your happy dance. if you sign up for better car replacement™, we'll pay for a car that's a model year newer with 15,000 fewer miles than your old one. see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance. if you have high blood pressure many cold medicines may raise your blood pressure. that's why there's coricidin® hbp. it relieves cold symptoms without raising blood pressure. so look for powerful cold medicine with a heart. coricidin® hbp. when a moment spontaneously turns romantic, why pause to take a pill? 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>> yeah, on wednesday. the due date. >> i wanted you to be here for the totals. we're going to announce the totals of what we've done this season. the last time we updated the audience on the totals was before christmas. we were at $9,699,053. so, joy, give us the update. what's the latest numbers. >> i have them right here and i'm going to hand them to you. >> i want you to do it. i want you to have the honor. >> absolutely not. this is definitely for you to do. >> big secret. by the way, this is why we didn't do updates after christmas because you wouldn't tell me. all right. the total now of everything we've raised, scholarships total is now $1,905,178, the desks tote since we began the program is now $8,604,870. which brings the total -- oh boy. the total we've raised since we began this, $10,510,048. joy within you got us across the $10 million line. i never look up at goals on this thing. but i didn't think we were going to make it to 10 maryland but you got us there. >> our viewers got us there. they're awesome. >> well you know, you just did a tremendous job of getting us through this. we couldn't do it without you. i don't know how i do the show without you. >> you'll be fine. you've done it before. >> thank you for everything you've done this year. we're going to be right back. >> we'll be right back all right. and congratulations, joy. congratulations lawrence. we are not done celebrating however. for all of you who have watched the success and the impact of the kind fun over the years, you're going to love the surprise. >> the joy conspiracy. >> the double joy conspiracy in full effect. >> i don't know what you guys are up to. right under this tree. ♪ (man) some things are worth holding onto. they're hugging the tree. 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>> lawrence went to malawi with a vision to help students but he wasn't sure what could be accomplished. and there was someone else not sure what to expect as well. somebody who took you lawrence to the first school to meet the students and to meet the need. it's someone who helped the kind fund to make the ideas, to make these ideas about this desks come true. it is somebody who was there for the very first delivery. someone who has seen the scene of celebration play out in countless schools. ♪ ♪ >> let's bring out our special guest all the way from the african continent has. here to hemp us celebrate more than $10 million in donations, here he is tonight eats "last word" guest. please be welcome and sit down. >> thank you so much for coming. so great that you're here. >> pleasure. >> there would be nothing -- absolutely -- where are you stationed now? >> before we let lawrence talk, it's my honor to introduce to the "last word" audience, vic r victor. >> i was in malawi for days and i found no way to have any desks made at all. victor took me to this place, wh was then a little hardware store. and in the back room the motion who was running that place had one desk and one teacher's desk. and i said to him, could you make me 30 of those. it was wednesday afternoon. could you make them by friday for delivery. and he could. also the girls' scholarship idea was victor's idea. it was his idea. when we came back to do more when my daughter came, you sat us down and said, you know, it's time to think about how you might want to expand -- i could go on and on. we would have nothing. it's all victor. >> i would love to for you to explain to those at home who have not been following this, explain why it is that people need to donate to get desks and also to get scholarships for girls in ma low we. >> it all started with an e-mail and then we had our first meeting with lawrence. and we tried to explain what the situation was in malawi. essentially you had, you know, you need to construct schools but we were buying desks but they were not enough. so we said to him, look, we've got these schools that we're constructing and we've got many other schools in a deplorable condition. would you like to see both schools. so we went, you know, to a school that had a good classroom structure but kids for sitting on the floor. and then we went to another school where the roof had been blown off and there was no concrete on the floor, kids were sitting on the ground in the classroom and they were also sitting under a tree. >> and school isn't even free. >> primary school you have to pay. eight years of primary school you have to pay. kids enroll and by the time they reach 8th grade, only one out of four will actually reach. so they drop out for many reasons. but even worse, very few go on to secondary school. and it's secondary school they have to dig into their pocket to pay for school fees and so on. the challenges are completely huge, you know. and we understood very clearly that the desks were going to mean a lot to the kids. you cannot travel through mal i malawi, go from school to school and not see kids sitting under a tree, you know, sitting on the floor. and they have to jump over incredible odds. but you know what? they get up every morning, every monday through friday within they're up going to school. >> walking miles, many of them. >> absolutely. 8 kilometers without shoes, you know. and sit in a classroom with about 100 other kids. it's huge challenges. >> and i know that -- >> i'm telling you i would have accomplished nothing without victor, absolutely nothing. it was his guidance got this whole thing started in the right way. i had bad ideas about how to do this. he had the right ideas. and the girls' scholarship program was his idea. >> it all came together. up to that point unicef had been buying the desks but it wasn't the numbers that we needed. so when lawrence comes says look, we can equip these schools with desks -- >> thanks to this audience. >> we spoke to the officials and this is the largest procurement we've done of desks to the day. >> lawrence your out in a guy that focuses a lot on yourself, but you inspired so many to get involved. congratulations, victor. >> i'm here to say thank you to lawrence and his viewers. >> thank you. $10 million. congratulations. chris hayes is up next. tonight on "all in" -- >> believe it or not, it's kind of scary this year. >> decision 2016 is upon us. and donald trump is debuting his first ad. >> he'll quickly cut the head off isis and take their oil. >> less than 30 days until voting. the last man to win in iowa is taking aim at the front-runner, and he joins me tonight. >> you want someone to read one hell of a bedtime story? 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NevadaUnited-statesNew-hampshireAfghanistanIranVermontCaliforniaSyriaUnited-arab-emiratesLebanonWashingtonDistrict-of-columbia probably more unified and wealthier as a group than ever before. paul: joining the panel this week, wall street journal columnist and deputy editor dan henninger, editorial board member mary kissel and columnist bill mcgurn. so dan, did the transalantic alliance survive the visit by hurricane trump? >> hurricane trump, yeah, i guess they did. you know, paul, there's an old expression from t movies, detectives, good cop, bad cop. usually it's played by two different people not by the same guy. [laughter] >> but trump is good cop, bad cop and indeed in the morning of nato meeting he whipped them over spending and by the evening he's saying there was more love in the room than you can imagine. [laughter] >> it's pretty confusing, you know, the statement that nato put out, let's talk about that. 80% of it was explicitly about russia, i mean, europe, the nato allies have a big problem with russia and have a long particularlies f nato is allied to do it is because of the russian threat, but there wasn't too much about that in the nato meeting and i think to the extent that the president sort of diverts attention to himself takes the wind out to have sails of their cohesion on the antirussian part. paul: mary, he said 2% of target, each nation, wants more countries to do that and more are stepping albeit slowly and then comes out at the end of it saying, well, wait a minute, it has to be 4%. now, we don't even spend 4%, the united states, so i think this whip saw effect, what impact does it have on the credibility of a u.s. president? >> well, i don't know if it's a whip saw, paul, remember, president trump ran in his presidential campaign on getting nato allies to step up in defense, and that's implicitly about the russia threat. he can take some credit, i think, from the summit, two-thirds of nato members are going to meet those defense commitments by 2024, almost all of them will meet the equipment spending and there's a new focus on readiness and focus on russia as dan said, a lot of measures, i thought it was a successful summit. paul: you go with 2% and suddenly comes out, wait, 4, is everybody supposed to ignore that -- >> i don't know. [laughter] >> it's just trump, right. that's his technique, he hits you in the face and he sees how you react. paul: nobody is going to meet 4. >> wasn't the official statement and you saw french president emmanuel macron, we commit today 2% and the united states is not pulling out of gnatio, deal done. paul: what about theresa may, hosting the president, taking some risks to do so because he's not popular in uk. >> as protests show. paul: as protests show and interview which criticized for brexit. >> look, trump is right on a lot of those things, when you go to point a to point b, you don't go on a car straight, you go on roller coaster where part of your ride is thrilling and part of your ride is terrifying. [laughter] >> that's what we saw. he was right to criticize of handling of brexit. paul: even though she's the host, hosting him for dinner? >> most of the criticism of donald trump has been style and granted it would not be my style, but most of the reason the focus is on the style is because on the substance he has go case on a lot of the things. she's a weak prime minister, are we to believe that the protestors are protesting for more trade? [laughter] >> a stronger nato? i find that -- i find that hard to believe. i do think the president is missing an opportunity. he kind of walked back some of the remarks on it -- trade deal but so far we have seen the stick part of his approach to trade, sanctions, the carrot part would be let's negotiate a deal with britain which would be pretty easy to negotiate, i think, they don't compete as much and have ideal deal, not only do we have deal with britain but open to everybody else, that's a big opportunity for trump to have a parton agenda, they make noises about it but haven't done anything about it. paul: dan, i think that the critic that you hear from some people that would otherwise would agree that would say trump has actually some fair points on russia pipeline and nato spending but criticism ha he makes about nato that undermines over time american public support for the transalantic alliance. you look at polling of republicans here in the united states, support for nato is falling. is he doing long-term damage here by that relentless criticism? >> well, i mean, that's a good question. it's just part of trump's technique, i mean, let's talk, for instance, about the interview he gave with the sun newspaper in which he criticized theresa may, said boris johnson would make good prime minister and in conference he repudiated much of that interview. i would say all of what trump says is what he believes. the question is which part are you suppose today focus on. to your point, yes, it creates confusion in people's minds about whether the president is, indeed, fully committed to nato alliance or has serious misgivings suggesting that we should pull back, that's the problem with the trump method, sure, it keeps everybody on their heels but they don't know in which direction to finally make commitment. paul: thank you all, when we come back, president trump unveils supreme court pick and fight for confirmation officially underway, what kind of justice would brett kavanaugh be and would left's attacks against him would have effect on undecided senator your brain changes as you get older. but prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient originally discovered... in jellyfish. in clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve short-term memory. prevagen. the name to remember. if yor crohn's symptoms are holding you back, and your current treatment hasn't worked well enough, it may be time for a change. ask your doctor about entyvio, the only biologic developed and approved just for uc and crohn's. entyvio works at the site of inflammation in the gi tract and is clinically proven to help many patients achieve both symptom relief and remission. infusion and serious allergic reactions can happen during or after treatment. entyvio may increase risk of infection, which can be serious. pml, a rare, serious, potentially fatal brain infection caused by a virus may be possible. this condition has not been reported with entyvio. tell your doctor if you have an infection, experience frequent infections or have flu-like symptoms or sores. liver problems can occur with entyvio. if your uc or crohn's treatment isn't working for you, ask your gastroenterologist about entyvio. entyvio. relief and remission within reach. with tripadvisor, finding your perfect hotel at the lowest price... is as easy as dates, deals, done! simply enter your destination and dates... and see all the hotels for your stay! tripadvisor searches over 200 booking sites... to show you the lowest prices... so you can get the best deal on the right hotel for you. dates, deals, done! tripadvisor. visit tripadvisor.com >> what matters is not a judge's political views but whether they could set aside those views to do what the law and the constitution require. i am pleased to say that i have found without doubt such a person. paul: that was president trump monday nominating brett kavanaugh to fill retiring justice anthony den -- kennedy's seat on supreme court. 53-year-old kavanaugh on dc circuit court of appeals, is president trump's second nominee to high court and if confirmed would help shape the judiciary role in american life for decades to come. back with dan henninger, bill mcgurn and wall street journal kim strassel, so bill, what kind of justice will kavanaugh be? >> well, to paraphrase the senator, i know brett kavanaugh, i serve with brett kavanaugh, bret calf know is no anthony kennedy and i mean that in the healthy sense. i think he's a solid jurist, he's not the kind of guy who wants to be a celebrity judge. anthony kennedy enjoyed where people are courting you for the fifth vote. brett kavanaugh's audience was anthony scalia and the federal society believed the judge should not be the most dominant guy in the field. paul: interesting, bill, 300 opinions on dc circuit. >> right. paul: i can't think of a judge who has long track record, even scalia was on dc circuit for 4 years before -- >> i also think that's a good model, we should be nominating justices whose records we can look at and get a better idea. no one knows how someone is going to go once they get a lifetime appointment. but i think bret is probably the clearest record of any nominee in recent memory. >> kim, so what are the emerge rg arguments that are going to be -- we will hear about jurist prudence and arguments to try to defeat him? >> democrats are settling on a couple. one of the favorite ones which is amusing having past obamacare and made health care premiums go through the roof they are now arguing that judge kavanaugh would strike down the basic health care provisions and make health care even more expensive. another one which is a little bit more conspiratorial because judge kavanaugh believes strongly and executive powers, at least in some fields, that trump only is putting him on the bench so that he could allow trump to pardon himself at one point or allow trump to avoid some sort of criminal indictment. this doesn't carry much water in my mind because we already know that the president -- he is likely to be indicted and there are other reasons, there's no reason to believe that that he would go that way. paul: on the health care point, health care is a policy dispute, it's not really a legal matter now that the -- the affordable care act upheld by the court. so that doesn't even seem to have any bearing really on what do you do on the court. >> no, and the reality is, look, they just don't have much that they can get him on, this is a very distinguished jurist and clear what the views are and they are grasping at straws at the moment. paul: dan, what about the -- the abortion issue, the roe v. wade appeal he has a statement on the record when he was -- in 2006 when he was being at senate hearing for the -- appellate seat that he said it was a settled precedent, a binding press depth was the exact quote, and that gave some reassurance this week to susan collins, the senator from maine and lisa murkowski of alaska saying they like what they see from kavanaugh so far? >> yeah, that's my reading, paul, i do agree that collins and murkowski have basically decide today vote for brett kavanaugh and if they can get nomination to a vote he's going through. but i think we should understand something about the democratic opposition, it doesn't have much of anything to do with brett kavanaugh. their opposition to donald trump's supreme court nominees is generic, he could have appointed, named any one of the 25 people on his list and they would be fighting the same sort of opposition as they are right now. i think mainly become about animating the progressive base, they will use the nomination hearing to do that, to try to paint judge kavanaugh as right-wing nut and he's not going to come across that way, he's going to come across like nile gorsuch as interesting member of judiciary. paul: kim, you raised point of executive power, what if robert mueller subpoenas donald trump and the white house resists which is entirely possible and this case moves through the court up to supreme court, should kavanaugh have to recuse himself from hearing that case? >> absolutely not. but be expect and get ready for democrats to argue the that if he's put up there, that's what he should have to do. reality is that by nature of the job pretty much everything that the supreme court hears has to do with the administration in one way or the other, this doesn't have to do -- the basic reasons for judges recusing themselveses is because they or their families have financial interests or because in a prior job working in an administration, for instance, they worked on an issue, but simply having an issue come before you related to the person who appointed you has never been standard for recusal. >> bill, the issue of executive power, it's interesting, on the foreign policy issues when he was on the dc circuit he supported obama on executive power, democratic president. >> right, i think that speaks for consistency, what the democrats are not worried is brett kavanaugh but constitution. the constitution is a limiting document and so is the law. that's what they are afraid of. i point on roe, when neil gorsuch was asked, he cited book he wrote on precedent. brett kavanaugh contribute today that book. he was through the murder boards for robert and alito. paul: interesting, when we come back supreme court battle lines taking shape as schumer threatens to fight with everything he's got. so can mitch mcconnell push the nomination through the senate before the november midterms? 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>> well, it's not because of his positions or any of the papers he's written but rather because potential for a paper trail hunt, brett kavanaugh in his prior life worked for a while for independent counsel investigating bill clinton and served lawyer and staff to george w. bush, a position that he wasn't necessarily making a lot of decisions but every piece of paper that went through the white house landed on his desk and thin dispersed. democrats will be demanding to see all of it and that has the potential to really draw this nomination fight out if they're allow today get away with it. paul, all right, dan, i think kim is right, that's going to be the strategy, it's going to produce everything or else you're trying to cover up something if you don't produce it, i guess the question is, how can the republicans deny that request, can they do that, can chuck grassley at judiciary committee who has reputation of demanding documents from the executive branch, not in this case, question have some documents, but not endless, endless snearnlg. >> precisely that, paul, sure, they are entitled to some documents but i think chairman grassley has it within his power to impose limitations on that document search, as kim was suggesting, they are talking about going back to clinton investigation and you have to ask what is the something they're looking for in documents, the idea that somewhere in millions of documents he saidly overturn roe v. wade? paul: yes, that's what they are looking for. [laughter] >> it is clearly a delaying tactic to get past the elections and to save those 4, 5 at risk democratic senator from having to cast a vote. i think chuck grassley needs to press hard to limit that search. paul: by the way, this is staff secretary position, so people understand. you know this from working in the white house, you're the person who controls the paper flow to the president, doesn't mean you write the paper. you are not going to scribble i want to do x. >> it's a very difficult job, all the paper goes through. when i wrote speeches to the president, i didn't hand it, bret kavanaugh did. dan is right, what they are looking for something, they are hoping that something comes up, whether it's his baseball tickets that he's got for the nationals, but mitch mcconnell is looking at his caucus and so far all of the people you'd be nervous about, murkowski, collins, rand paul and jeff flake, they've been giving reassuring noises. paul: kim, what about the point that schumer's real point to delay this as long as possible both maybe something will come up if you do that kind of document search or you wait for somebody to come up with accusation and also because they would like to delay past the election so his -- his senators who are up for reelection in north dakota, indiana, west virginia and so on don't have to take take a tough vote that might upset one group or the other. >> of course, he does, they're in a terrible situation right politically, they have a liberal base that's motivated an mobilized on one issue showing up at their home state offices to protest but they hail from trump states, it was the reason they put president trump in the white house for supreme court nominees and they will like wise punish those democrats if they vote against mr. kavanaugh. >> and dan, what's mcconnell's strategy here to get them through? >> i think the strategy is to press forward as hard as he can, try to put pressure on the democrats, try to make it clear that this is an act of mindless obstruction and whatever they do, i think that the republicans ought to make this a very active campaign issue now in 4 to 5 senate seats and make them, you know, turn out republicans based on the fact that they will hold up the most important judicial nomination in a generation. paul: and i would argue that failed to confirm republican presidential appointee they will probably lose the senate in november. still ahead, president trump wrapping up a busy week of meetings and preparing for another high-stakes summit on monday this time with russian president vladimir putin, we will look at what both sides want from that sit-down next. yss so hard to trust but you've got to be strong. remember janet? she got cash back shopping with ebates and hasn't been skeptical since. where'd the money come from? stores pay ebates. psh!!! psh!!! then ebates pays you. psh!!! psh!!! psh!!! psh!!! psh!!! psh!!! psh!!! psh!!! psh!!! and they'll send you a check. psh!!!! oohh!! sign up for free. shop your favorite stores. get cash back. ebates. something to believe in. join today for a $10 bonus. inthe full value oft replace your new car? 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>> trump wants to bring the u.s. troops out of syria just as he wants to bring troops out of korean peninsula. he doesn't want to be involved. he wants to say mission accomplished, we got rid of islamic state caliphate in syria and iraq and let's bring them all home and wants russia to assure that iran gets out of syria. paul: is that realistic? >> that's not realistic at all. look, putin -- paul: why not? >> put i doesn't want to commit serious military assets to syria, he can't afford to have body bags coming home to russia in the same way that he did with ukraine and it's also not clear that he would militarily be able to unroot iran from syria. paul: because assad and iran. >> iran has military bases, they've moved civilians, they are taking over sir aib. they want to turn it into lebanon. you have to be careful with what putin promises. he's spoken pretty much at every promise. paul: dan, look at it from the other side. what does vladimir putin hope to get out of this from donald trump? >> well, i think he wants some -- well, the one thing he would like to is get some relief from the economic sanctions that the united states and european union have imposed on him and his cronies f he could get that, that's the primary thing he would like to see some movement on, but the main thing here is that trump, you know, is operating in the moment, he's just -- he see it is relationship with vladimir putin as completely transactional and historically you would have work trying to find out where the areas of agreement and disagreement are. it's just not clear to anyone what he wants substantially. paul: well, what else does putin want, bill, i think -- first of all, the meeting itself was kind of rehabilitation because obviously the criticism in the u.s. political system has been, look, you meddled in our elections and now robert mueller on friday i dieted 112 more russians for hacking the democratic national committee. is that going to have any impact? >> well, i think, what he wans -- what you're alluding to, legitimacy in the world stage. that's why the demotion of russia to g7 was such a blow. i think perfectly legitimate thing to kick them out. paul: trump says they should be back. >> right. i think that president trump's policy to russia is actually stronger than what president trump's says he is sometimes. the part that i really worry about is crimea where he seems to be saying, we will acknowledge -- it's up with -- acknowledged but that would be really ebb -- endorsing, international criminality to take this. i think the signal to putin would be a terrible one there and it would be bad for ukraine. >> be terrible that he can invade another country like you said georgia and mold -- maldova as well. >> what does trump want out of putin of ukraine? what does a deal mean? >> for trump unfortunately it might mean defacto recognition that that was an obama mistake -- paul: crimea was. >> let's have come kind of agreement like on eastern ukraine which is another legal invasion by putin and get, i don't know, u.s. peace keeping forces in there. paul: trump won't put -- >> let's hope he doesn't. he has ambassador talking to putin on a regular basis. paul, we have to acknowledge that putin is not a strategic competitor, he is an enemy. you have britain fingering russia for use of nerve agent on british oil. you have two countries, australia and netherlands blaming russia for downing airliner over ukraine. they killed almost 300 people. paul: all true and yet are you saying the president should not be going to this summit? >> i don't think the president should go to the summit at all. anything that we need to do vis-a-vis russia does not require socializing with vladimir putin in front of camera. paul: you don't think there's any chance he could get modu with putin that could make him less hostile to u.s. interest along the lines? >> how can you trust him when he's embarrassing president trump in syria, broke the agreement in syria on chemical weapons, broke the agreement on ukraine, invaded three of his neighbors, flying bombers over pacific and using nerve agents? >> mary a good point. you were talking about syria before, part of the reason we are in the fix because of president obama. also mr. putin has seen big advantage and has seen lots of president come and go and that's a big advantage for him. paul: still ahead, peter strzok facing grilling on capitol hill as lawmakers confront fbi agent over now infamous texts, what we learn from awaited testimony and what friday's new indictments in the russia probe mean when we come back. i'll never find a safe used car. start at the new carfax.com show me minivans with no reported accidents. boom. love it. 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>> well, here is a big take away, paul, and that is if the american people are to have a prayer of ever finding out what the fbi did in 2016 with regard to two presidential campaigns, donald trump is going to have to declassify documents because you will not get it from congressional hearings, this guy was the lead investigator on the trump probe, major player in clinton investigation, he barely answered a single question, he refused to do so at the direct of an fbi lawyer who sat behind him the entire time and the entire hearing was constantly interrupted by democrats who kept interceding in the proceedings and making sure the witness did not have to speak. paul: yeah, kim, were there any new details at all, any new information at all that we learned? i thought we learned something about how the fbi actually got details about the steele dossier? >> yeah that was one to have few concrete new pieces of information we got which was this, that bruise -- bruce ohr, up with of the top-ranking officials who is wife worked at fusion firm served as conduit, mr. strzok acknowledged that the fbi received documents from bruce ohr that came from fusion. paul: well, that's a pretty big detail, suggest that is the fbi was working, you know, had the interlock here, fbi official with fusion gps? >> yes, it's new. hoab had acknowledged or divulged that before and also in part because this inserts the obama justice department into this too. it was clear that this was not handled simply through intelligence channels and there was back-door dealings which people have suspected. paul: bill, you were watching the hearing, what's your take? >> peter strzok tried to wrap himself and saying attacks on him, questioning of him was discrediting the fbi. that's not true. we have inspector general's report and andrew mccabe, top director may be indicted, people like peter strzok, andrew mccabe and lisa page brought disgrace, all at the top. in fact, as they handle investigations, they shut out the people in the field doing it. the real take away, peter strzok was a lining rod, he was arrogant and defiant. paul palling at the hearing, you mean? >> at the hearing, the real take away is fbi counsel was telling him not to answer questions. this was mr. wray. paul: christopher wray. >> the guy who succeeded at the irs came in but instead of cleaning up things, you know, worked his magic to obstruct and so forth. congress is not going to get the information. the american people are not going to know what happened until either congress stands up for itself with contempt finding or impeachment or president trump declassifies. paul: kim, is congress and devin nunes getting the documents that it needs? >> they still haven't received the documents that they need. there's still a standoff in regard to that. mr. nunes gets a lot of attention and rightly so because he's unraveled so much of this. there's a lot of members of congress that aren't getting what they asked for, chuck grassley put a request out this week demanding for certain things to be handed over but certain things to be made public and declassified so more people can see them. you have mark meadows, jim jordan who sits on oversight committee, they have outstanding document requests, there are still hundreds if not thousands and thousands of important pages that they have not received. paul: yeah, i think if the president really does want this public to understand, he will have to declassify the documents or a big chunk of them and get them out. all right, still ahead as both sides gear up for contentious supreme court fight the political left attacking one group in particular for the president's election of kavanaugh. what is the federalist society and what does it try to do, we will talk with one of the founders next oh don't... it's early 90s sitcom star dave coulier... cut...it...out! 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david, good to see you again. so first of all, let me ask you, what do you think of brett kavanaugh's nomination? >> brett is a tremendous judge, he was going to limit authority in supreme court to really interpreting the law and then applying it in the cases beforehand. we see the liberals going into a huge fit over that because they want judges who will impose their liberal or orthodoxy. >> you founded it many years ago, cofounded it with others, why did you feel you need -- needed to do it, what hole will you fill? >> fundamentally the federalist society is a law student organization, we were law students then, scalia was my professor of constitutional law and we realized the dominant thought in law schools on the courts were the liberal version really after the new deal that the courts should impose their vision of a good society on the rest of the country and that that had strayed so far from the constitution we were learning where the role of judges wasn't to make laws, it was to interpret the laws that congress and the president passed. and we thought, you know, let's get into a debate about that and we formed the federalist society to bring liberals, conservatives, libertarians, traditionalists altogether to debate these big legal questions. paul: you started as student group and now you branched out and there are a lot of different chacters and you have meetings, these aren't in my experience secret meetings, they are advertised with agendas and is that -- and you invite speakers and invite liberals, what's the goal there? >> the goal is to have the debate and in part our views are right and if you put them out and test them in debate you'll be able to persuade people that limited government and judiciary that's limited to its role is the right thing for the country. if you just advocate, we found that then people who were skeptical said, well, i might not be able to disagree with that but i know somebody, my smart professor would be able to. we invite smart professors to come debate with us and we have the exchange and i think we are winning because it's the truth. paul: well, i mean, does -- what about this role of vetting choices for the court whether it'd be the appellate court or the supreme court? i mean, what role does the federalist society play in that? i know that leonard leo is now on leave but do you guys -- do you have to join the federalist society now if you want to be on the federal bench? >> no, not at all. and that's not a criteria for who we think would be good judges. i will say this, the personalist society actually does not take official position on any legislative or confirmation matter, but we realized we have a lot of knowledge about who are really excellent incredibly capable credential judge who is have that same philosophy that president trump said he wanted. judges who will limit themselves to their role, follow the constitution and interpret the law and so leonard and a lot of people in the organization offer today president trump will research these people but let's be honest about this, we don't get the choose, he's the president and he made the choice of brett kavanaugh, he has very smart lawyers throughout the justice department and his white house staff really do a lot of the research. we offered some names, he liked them in the campaign, put them on a list but the choice ultimately was his. paul: you've had just about every supreme court member maybe other than ruth bader ginsburg and i might be wrong about that who addressed your different meetings in washington, have you not? >> we have, we've invited the conservatives and enjoyed having them there but we also invited what you call liberal justices, judges and justices who have a different view than what we articulate in a lot of our materials and we like that, we like them and they come, i think they enjoy it frankly because it's cordial but serious intellectual debate. paul: all right, david, great to have you here, thanks so much. >> my pleasure. paul: we have to take one more break. when we come back hits and misses of the week. ♪ ♪ (vo) we came here for the friends. and we got to know the friends of our friends. and we found others just like us. and just like that we felt a little less alone. but then something happened. we had to deal with spam, fake news, and data misuse. that's going to change. from now on, facebook will do more to keep you safe and protect your privacy. because when this place does what it was built for, then we all get a little closer. ♪ motorcycle revving ♪motorcycle revving ♪ motorcycle revving ♪ no matter who rides point, ♪ there are over 10,000 allstate agents riding sweep. ♪♪ and just like tyrone taylor, they know what it takes to help keep you protected. are you in good hands? >> time for our hits and misses of the week. dan, first you. >> a big hit to the university of wyoming board of trustees that voted unanimously this week to stop the new slogan for the university, the world needs more cowboys. meaning the cowboys spirit. the toughness and independence. needless to say some opposed it as racist and sexist. we know how political this is a virtually killed off the idea of any indian as university mascot. now it is cowboys! they are wrong. the world needs more cowboys! >> mary? >> a big hit to the german chancellor, angela merkel for forcefully advocating for the release of the widow of course of the late transaction was held under house arrest for eight years in china. she was so depressed her friends thought you might commit suicide. she was released this part in large part thanks to mrs. angela merkel. she emigrated to germany. it is a small but important win for human rights. you have to keep the focus on everyone else in jail in china. >> kim? >> a hit to donald trump for his part in this week of dwight and stephen hammond. two ranchers convicted and harshly sentenced of this non-crime of using the same fire land management tool the federal government uses. it is great not just because of justice but it is a slap to the federal government that has been leading a campaign against western landowners for harassing them and bullying them, forcing them out. between this and actions that the interior and agricultural department we are starting to see a change in mentality. >> thank you. bill? >> a big hit to the tied navy seals. and the former navy seal who came in to help them rescue the boys soccer team that was trapped in the tunnels in thailand. they got 12 kids out. plus the coach. in an extremely difficult rescue. let's just say thank god for toxic masculinity. >> and of course that navy s.e.a.l. gave his life. >> yes. >> if you have your own hit or miss, send it to us on @jeronfnc. >> president trump gearing up for his greatly anticipated face-to-face with vladimir putin in helsinki. as he visits scotland today. this is a big week that could be a game changer for the presidents foreign policy. hello everyone and welcome to a brand new hour of "americas news headquarters". i'm eric shawn. >> i am arthel neville. protest following the crowd will significantly smaller than those yesterday. as he prepares for his high-stakes summit with vladimir putin less than 48 hours from now. kevin is live in scotland, traveling with the president and has the very latest. kevin? >> always great to be with you. a summit with major world implications and a joint press availability that would certainly qualify as must-see t.v. as fox news can confirm that president trump and president putin will meet the press. will have live coverage on monday right here on fox news channel. while we do not have the exact details just yet, it should be fairly early in the day keeping in mind that seven hour time difference between helsinki and the east coast. be sure to join us for live coverage. meanwhile, much like we said yes in england as you pointed out, protest did greet the president in scotland. and yes, there were other smaller demonstrations throughout the countryside. as well as, i think you'll find this interesting. a protest over at turnberry where the president was greeted by some home crafted signs and whistles as the folks there were speaking up. they did that whenever they thought the president may be within earshot. for his part rbc mr. trump took it all in stride. wrapping up his round this morning even waving at the demonstrators while he was out there surrounded by security and of course, having a little fun in the meantime. by the way he also tweeted this. he said his time on the links was his primary form of exercise. you have a smile out of that. but if you are a golfer you know if you walk it certainly can qualify. tonight it is a relaxing evening for the first family in scotland. the same tomorrow before making our way over to helsinki finland. the press meanwhile we are told by the white house, continues and the present will keep the prepping for the big summit coming up with vladimir putin in helsinki. arthel, back to. >> arthel: and the world will be watching. thank you, kevin. >> eric: meanwhile looming over the justice department stunning announcement yesterday about the russian election interference. special counsel, robert mueller, indicted 12 russian intelligence officers. accusing them of packing the d&c and clinton campaign computers. in order to interfere with our presidential election. gillian turner with more from washington. >> reporter: in a new 29 page indictment the doj released yesterday, the russian special counsel draws a direct link between vladimir putin government and election meddling. the indictment charges 12 russian military intel officers with conspiring to interfere with the 2016 presidential election. specifically, they are cues of packing and releasing emails from the clinton campaign, the d&c and the dccc. it does not show any american citizen commit a crime. they say reality is russians are highly unlikely to extradite any of the officials to the u.s. for prosecution. >> we can fund foreign interference in american elections. it is important for us to avoid thinking like this and to think patriotically as americans. >> as the wake of the release, condemnation has been swift and bipartisan. >> the indictments are clear proof that the russian investigation is not a witchhunt. >> my hope would be that the president and his allies would cease and assist from calling the investigation a witchhunt. >> in a statement from senior republican senator john mccain says in part quote - despite repeated warnings from the nations top intelligence and military leaders, the crimmins efforts to weaken our institutions have continued unabated with insufficient action taken by the administration. the special counsel bombshell comes just 2 and a half days before the president is slated to meet with vladimir putin one on one in helsinki. if a high-stakes summit with top-tier national security issues on the agenda. but now, many democrats are calling for the president to cancel the summit in response to the indictment. >> eric: thank you. in the next hour, the head of the illinois -- illinois was hacked by the way by the russians. >> arthel: a very short time ago, the president tweeting in your reaction to the doj indictments. these russians this with the president said, these russian individuals did their work during the obama years. why didn't obama do something about it? because he thought crooked hillary clinton would win. that's why. it had nothing to do with the trump administration but fake news does not want to report this as you will. and we have a fellow at the heritage foundation and former justice department official. good to have you here. first of all, what is behind the presidents tweet? >> look, the key thing to point out is that apparently, from the indictment we know that the obama administration discovered this in 2016.before the election. the real question here is, why didn't they take immediate action and a counterintelligence operation to not only warn everyone involved in the political campaign and what was going on but take steps to prevent this from happening. there has really been no explanation. >> arthel: well, i will move on. there was an estimation but we will keep going. is there anything in this report that can be denied or dismissed of inconsequential, incorrect, overblown or somehow politically driven? >> we do not really know because remember, it is an indictment. it charges leveled by the government. they don't have to produce any evidence. these folks will never be indicted so we will never get a case actually proven in court. the key thing i think for people to remember is that while we certainly should be concerned, about the russians engaging in this kind of activity, with each year you and the kgb have done is no different than what they did throughout the entire cold war. engaging in disinformation campaigns. >> it is different now do think because we have social media, emails and a whole lot more ways to get directly to people which is what they did which they really did micro-targeting. >> there is no question that technology makes it more effective. if you look at the history of the cold war and some of the disinformation campaigns, they ran, including feeding information like "the new york times" -- >> arthel: i get your point. business as usual, no kind of big deal but do they indicate that the mueller investigation is coming to an end? or is it picking up steam? >> it is important to keep in mind that in all of the indictments, and prior indictments, the indictment of russian intelligence operatives, there's actually no evidence including these indictments. that there was any collusion between the russian government and the trump campaign. it is supposed to be the purpose of the mueller campaign. if they really want to go after russian intelligence operatives, then they ought to be running a counterintelligence operation, not engaging in a law enforcement investigation like this one. >> arthel: understood. by the way, you have a lot of viewers who are very concerned about russia having meddled regardless of who it may or may not have been in favor. that is why the casual reaction to they did it back then, they will do it now, they will keep doing it. they think is a little alarming that there is such a casual reaction to this. >> no, it's not casual reaction, it is also important to keep in mind that what they did was, they exposed the inner workings of the d&c and the hillary campaign. but it is important to keep in mind, the did not hack any voting machines, they did not hack any computers that were counting ballots. they did not in any way affect the actual casting of ballots or the counting of ballots the integrity of the election itself. that was not compromised. they were trying to run and influence operation and that is something we need to try to stop. it did not change the outcome of the election. >> arthel: you said this is something we need to stop. if the administration does not come down hard on russia with fierce and consequential punishment, what does that do to the importance of the counterintelligence investigative work there and is there any national security jeopardy at play? >> there's always national security issues when foreign government tries to hack into american government facilities and political party facilities. and often in a commercial area coming after companies two. it is a constant war that our intelligence agencies have to fight. there were problems with china which has a huge hacking operation that they use to go after americans. there is a lot we need to do about this but -- >> arthel: nothing specific in terms of what we should do about russia. quickly, should the president meet with vladimir putin? yes or no. >> i don't really have an answer but i think he has already said he is going to confront vladimir putin over it although the russians obviously are denying they had anything to do with this. >> arthel: will keep talking about this. we appreciate your perspective, thank you hans von spakovsky. >> eric: meanwhile new reaction ahead of the presidents meeting with vladimir putin on monday. not all lawmakers on board with the summit. some democrats have been calling for the president to scrap meeting with vladimir putin because of those federal election interference charges. >> i want to make sure that other americans here, that the president makes the issue a russian interference a priority in the meeting and it is not something that is simply snuffed off with a quick response from vladimir putin saying he did not do anything. that is why he and his team are not willing to make the subject of this indictment, russian interference a top priority in the helsinki meeting then it should be canceled. >> eric: for more on this from moscow, live tonight in red square. hi amy. >> hi, eric. from here you get the sense that president run reporting is riding high. coming off of a incredibly successful world cup. hundreds of thousands of tourists have come here. they've not been scared off by the scandal. or the sanctions or any other political issues. the atmosphere in moscow and across the country is frankly, really relaxed. he is broadcasting freely just a stone throw from the kremlin as we are, is quite unheard of. in fact, these indictments that came down yesterday as we know, eric, are deadly serious. 13 people that were indicted back in february were civilians. largely unknown. 12 who were charged yesterday, allegedly, work for the main director, director of military intelligence. it would be very hard for vladimir putin to say as he has in the past, if there were russian hackers they were not doing their interfering in an officially sanctioned capacity. russia's foreign ministry on the facebook page said, the news last night was meant to quote - spoil the atmosphere of the summit. done by people who do not want the normalization of bilateral relations. so what do the russians expect from this helsinki summit on monday? some point out that cold war summits were about saving the world from nuclear annihilation. this one, is about image. >> donald trump has to show he is not the russian man. vladimir putin shows he is the man. he is the one who is leading the work, not this guy, trump. eric, of course, vladimir putin has built up his popularity to a large extent by creating an enemy in the west or accusing america and other countries of causing some of the problems that russia suffers with the economy and isolation. it will be interesting to see if the summit goes well, how he will segue from that previous position to a new one and the position going forward. >> eric: and of course, there will be a fascinating joint press conference with both of them. we will ask one of our guests coming up if that is appropriate. amy, in the very picturesque red square today. thank you. >> arthel: very picturesque! new reaction to the former fbi lawyer lisa paige interviewed by lawmakers behind closed doors. for nearly 5 hours, this coming just one day after the fbi agent, peter strzok, was grilled publicly for the first time. we are covering at all. plus, top it ministration officials voicing concerns over the threat from moscow ahead of the presidents meeting with the russian president vladimir putin. >> will continue to see individuals affiliated with the st. petersburg based internet research agency. creating new social media accounts, masquerading as americans and using these accounts to draw attention to the position. are you ready to take your wifi to the next level? then you need xfinity xfi. a more powerful way to stay connected. it gives you super fast speeds for all your devices, provides the most wifi coverage for your home, and lets you control your network with the xfi app. it's the ultimate wifi experience. xfinity xfi, simple, easy, awesome. >> arthel: national security is taking center stage out of the presidents meeting with the russian president, vladimir putin. the defense secretary, james mattis, is in norway for talks on nato defense spending. this is the director of national intelligence, raises the alarm of the growing cyber threats against the us. >> today the digital infrastructure that serves the country is literally, under attack. every day. foreign actors, the worst defenders being russia, china, iran and north korea. every day, their penetrating our digital infrastructure and conducting the range of cyber intrusions and attacks against targets in the united states. >> arthel: national security correspondent jennifer griffin is live. >> when the defense secretary met with his counterpart, he did not mention russia by name. in his public remarks. but it was clear who he was referring to. on board his plane he called russia out by name just days before the president is set to meet with vladimir putin. >> russia factors in in the southeastern europe area as a destabilizing element. they've chosen to come in and to undermine the democratic fabric of nations that are young and in the democratic processes. >> a new fox news poll shows president trump has been too soft on russia get a majority approves of his july 16 meeting with the russian president. a 53 percent majority thinks that the president is not tough enough on russia. including 32 percent of republicans. the director of national intelligence, issued a stark warning on friday about escalating cyber attacks on u.s. infrastructure ahead of the midterm elections. not long after the justice department issued its new indictments of 12 russian military intelligence officers. >> russia has been the most aggressive foreign actor. no question. they continue their efforts to undermine our democracy. we fully realize that we are just one click of the keyboard away from a similar situation repeating itself. >> a reference to the 2016 election hacking, the is intelligence director added a warning the u.s. public has not heard since before 9/11. that the red warning light of a possible devastating attack on the u.s. homeland is blinking again. those are his words. they say half a million u.s. voters had their data stolen by the russian military intelligence hacker he managed to get into various state election boards. >> arthel: ominous words, jennifer, thank you. >> eric: for nasa spring and michael ãa foreign policy scholar and a director of the notre dame international security center. he is coming to us from south bend. michael, good to see you. the russians attacked as we know. they targeted and singled out our democratic process. what you think the president should say to vladimir putin and whatever he says, do you think it would actually deter the russians? >> well, i think he has to raise the issue with the russians at this point, politically, it will be a disaster not to. i think what is going to deter the russians though, is not what he says. it is what we, as a country, do. i think the department of justice indictment that was just issued, is part of the responses. it is basically a shot across the bow to the russians to say, we are in your networks, we know a lot of what is going on and by the way, we can do stuff two. >> eric: were you surprised at the detail? in the indictment? not just names, and identities but real specifics? >> yeah. and you know, there was deliberate decision i think probably by the dni to cover my sources and methods more than what might normally be the case to making a point. i think to the extent it is a good thing to do. i guess what worries me is dni coates talking about cyber attack being as devastating as 9/11. it is just no evidence for cyber, having that kinetic capability and likewise, there is abundant evidence that the russians tried to hack into the political process in 2016. there isn't powerful evidence that it made a difference in the outcome of the election. this could be a lot of sound and fury signifying not nothing, but very little. >> eric: state official said no votes were changed and will talk about that in the next hour. fact we succumb our reaction is important. what should we do? should for example, the present demand spies be extradited? which will never happen. should the inter-poll put warrants on them so they would be arrested? should we increase sanctions, for example among the oligarchs and others in russia to really tighten up the sanctions? >> you know, i would really do none of the above. making incredible threats actually undermines what you're trying to get across. i think what we need to do is bolster our defenses here at home. cyber as dni coates mentioned is an ongoing problem. it's foreign actors like russia, china, north korea and iran and it is also criminals as well. and thinking back at the stories about the dnc hacks, a lot of that was the result of just you know, sloppy information security. dnc head john podesta fell for a fishing scheme. i think we have to do is what most businesses do which is, tighten your belts and protect your systems. you do that and it will be very hard for external actors to get into them. >> eric: what would you say to those who are not doing that. the russians need to face some consequences. it was an attack against our country and an attack against the very tenants of what this nation stands for. and that they should have consequences so they stop it or or deterred. >> i think the best deterrent is a hardened cyber infrastructure that they, they cannot get in. >> eric: slapped them around a little bit or something? more sanctions or something that would sting, perhaps? >> we have sanctions on them. we have repeatedly said how bad we think the russian behavior has been around eastern europe and in syria and place like that. i think after a certain point, he did not want to fall into this theatrics of doing things just to do them. let's ask, how serious is the threat? how vulnerable is our infrastructure? and what do we need to do to fix it? i think that is a serious response to a real but not catastrophic threat that we face from moscow. >> eric: assumes the measures that have been taken, as you know, have not really deterred their behavior. michael desch, thank you so much for joining us. >> great to be here, eric. >> eric: stay with fox news channel for complete coverage of the president's summit. tomorrow chris wallace will be anchoring a special edition of "fox news sunday" live from helsinki, finland at 2 pm and 7 pm eastern. right here on fox news channel. then on monday, he has got that -- is at a summit when chris sits with vladimir putin? it is an interview. he was at one on one with vladimir putin to get reaction of the meeting.and chris wallace will ask vladimir putin about election interference. can't wait until we hear more about that! >> eric: definitely tuna for that. meanwhile, new tensions in the middle east as deadly protest along the israel and gaza border exploded in an exchange from rocket fire. plus, the former fbi lawyer, lisa paige answering questions behind closed doors on capitol hill just one day after the agent peter strzok, fiery hearing. we will analyze that, coming up.>> i think when they come back on monday will get the rest of the questions answered and i think peter strzok testimony, really left a lot of americans frustrated. because he was not honest. he was not credible in explaining his actions. orgivene, liberty mutual won't raise their rates because of their first accident. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ i'm ray and i quit smoking with chantix. i tried cold turkey, i tried the patch. they didn't work for me. i didn't think anything was going to work for me until i tried chantix. chantix, along with support, helps you quit smoking. chantix reduced my urge to smoke. i needed that to quit. when you try to quit smoking, with or without chantix, you may have nicotine withdrawal symptoms. 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military with his largest bombardment of gaza since the war of 2014. the israeli air force saying dozens of targets were head. hamas following a barrage of rockets and mortars over the israeli order. threes really have been injured by shrapnel after a rocket landed person were intercepted but they say the iron dome defense system. >> arthel: former fbi lawyer, lisa paige, interview about lawmakers behind closed doors for nearly 5 hours. just one day after the fbi agent, peter strzok, was grilled publicly for the first time. this is many republicans say their anti-trump text messages are evidence of partisan bias within the nation's top law enforcement agency. republican congressman, mark meadows, tweeting quote - remarkably, we learned new information stay suggesting the doj had not notified lisa paige of the outstanding interview request for over seven months now. the doj, fbi appear to be continuing their efforts to keep material fact and perhaps even witnesses from congress. this was also said. >> i can tell you, lisa paige is a very credible witness. she is doing her best to help us find the truth. and i can tell you that i think in ways she has been falsely accused about not being willing to cooperate. >> arthel: stephen nelson is here, a warehouse reporter for the washington examiner.thank you so much. jumping right in, what is the most crucial part of the deposition from lisa paige as you can figure out and why and does it depend on political perspective? >> we really do not know what she told lawmakers. for five hours yesterday. the details will be coming forward and as we have heard republicans have characterized her as cooperative. her demeanor has significantly different than peter strzok. his defiance and unapologetic stands the day previously when he engaged in the 10 hour partisan brawl that was streamed live. >> arthel: i was wondering for your reporting with the hearings post deposition if you able to string some things together. let me move on and i want to know, did lisa paige, quincy reporting and what you are hearing there, did she hurt or help her credibility? >> she gave the impression to republican lawmakers that she was credible. we just play the clip of the congressman meadows saying she do her best to help us find the truth. the republican critics, or exchanged with peter strzok, so far have been saying good things. matt gates, a congressman from florida questioned the fbi attorneys advising her on what to answer and she is no longer an fbi employee so he has questioned why they should be doing this with her testimony. >> arthel: is it perhaps that she could possibly be you know, in jeopardy of exposing some classified information? fbi information, might that be the reason? >> it could be.she was a top fbi lawyer. the bureau of course feels there is an interest in her testimony. they have questioned whether that is appropriate. i'm sure that they will be more when she completes her testimony on monday. >> arthel: let's talk about peter strzok. did he hurt or help his credibility? >> well, i think anyone that watched this came away with the impression that he was unapologetic. he felt he did nothing wrong using his government phone to send these messages to lisa paige. denouncing president trump. at one point, the democratic congresswoman pointed out that he was using a government device to send these messages. which was really the problem. that is how he was discovered to have been doing this. he felt that he did nothing wrong and i think that many republicans feel otherwise. >> this is all tied around the mueller investigation. let's look at a fox news poll about the declining approval of that very investigation. you've got now, 48 percent approved whereas june, one month ago, 55 percent approved. do you think the info that peter strzok provided during his hearing, is a blemish on the mueller investigation? or did his testimony under oath. >> arthel: the fbi commitment to the law. this question of this investigation to hillary clinton and donald trump democrats of course say that there is no evidence and republicans feel otherwise. this has immediate implications because the robert mueller investigation is ongoing. this also will have an effect on americans trust in the fbi and the question of whether bias affected these probes will be a continuing question. when that will be addressed in years to come. >> arthel: lastly, during this hearing for peter strzok that we all watch with our mouths agape, to congress as a whole or individual lawmakers hurt or hinder their credibility? [laughter] >> you know, it was must watch tv. i think that we heard there were outbursts from certain members and i'm not sure that i want to definitively say that all of them discredit themselves but certainly, some of them have some popular youtube clips right now.>> arthel: thank you stephen nelson. we will leave it there. thank you for joining us this afternoon. >> thank you. spoon have you heard about the former attorney general eric holder? he surprised some people with comments about i.c.e. he is pushing back against some of the democrats that are calling to abolish the agency. we will talk to our political panel about that in a moment. plus, you details on the trump administration efforts to reunite migrant families separated at the southern border. that issue looming large during the secretary state, mike pompeo is visit to mexico. we will have a live report on all of that. controversy continues, straight ahead. >> we share nearly a 2000 mile border. the united states is committed to making measurable progress. that ensures the security on both sides of that border. ♪motorcycle revving ♪ motorcycle revving ♪motorcycle revving ♪ motorcycle revving ♪ no matter who rides point, ♪ there are over 10,000 allstate agents riding sweep. ♪♪ and just like tyrone taylor, they know what it takes to help keep you protected. are you in good hands? >> arthel: a federal judge praising the trumpet ministration for making progress in reuniting migrant families. the administration is now working to reunite children over age 5. with family members before a court imposed deadline later this month. meanwhile, the aclu asking a court to have the federal government speed up the process. >> now that the court has made clear it will stay on top of the government, and stressed yesterday or tuesday, repeatedly, that -- our main hopeful for now that this will get done. >> arthel: dan springer is live in seattle with the very latest. dan? >> hello arthel. the trumpet ministration is making significant process in reuniting immigrant children with parents. important, the progress was acknowledge a three by federal judge in san diego. this happened late yesterday afternoon. district court judge said that the government has demonstrated good faith and is largely completed or complied with the deadline this week to reunite children under age 5 with their parents who cross the border illegally. many of them seeking asylum. the judge said, there has been quote - substantial compliance. and now, all the very young kids eligible to be back with their parents are out of federal custody and back with family. among them is the gonzales family from guatemala. >> in several centers, there are many mothers who are desperate. they want to leave those places to be reunited with their children. i sent all those mothers a message to fight. because with these people help and with gods help, they will be able to make it. >> the trumpet ministration also ruled on a plan to comply with the next deadline which is to have the remainder of the children were between the ages of five and 17, reunited with families by july 26. the goal is to reconnect 200 kids per day with a parent or guardian. the federal judge says he will be monitoring the efforts to make sure it happens. >> i certainly believe the united states government has the resources to get it done. if they treat it as a priority in the way they did when they went out and tried to arrest everyone. >> meanwhile, secretary state, mike pompeo and others in the trump administration that sort of a tongue lashing from the mexican president while they met in mexico city yesterday to talk about trade the president said mexicans have great way for the more than 2000 children separated from the children of the border. but the highlight on the other side, yesterday, police arrested a 32-year-old man in california who had attacked his wife with a chainsaw in front of their three children. the department of homeland security says the man has deported 11 times in 2005. his wife is injured but expected to survive. the children are in protective custody. >> eric: meanwhile new fallout over calls from some democrats to abolish i.c.e. house lawmakers introduced legislation earlier this past week aimed at doing just that. but now the former obama administration attorney general, eric holder criticizing the effort. saying it will only help republicans to request a thing i.c.e. needs to be reformulated. it needs to be reformed. i think we need to focus on that which is most important. that is a separation of these kids from their kids. i.c.e. plays a role in that. but i think in some ways you're giving the republicans a gift by saying, will have a debate whether or not i.c.e. should be abolished and the focus should be on what the administration did to the children. >> eric: is that a gift? we bring in a former trump campaign cochair and former senior advisor to the hillary clinton campaign. welcome to you both. lena, let me start with you. it is really a lightning rod issue. your heart goes out to the children. it is a horrible situation. but his holder correctly says it is a gift by some democrats calling for the abolishment of i.c.e.? >> is perhaps the first met eric holder and i have ever agreed on! i think this was a gift to the republicans and i think any member of the united states that believes i.c.e. should be abolished is basically saying we want a country without a border. in a country that a border does not exist. and so, i support legislation and the president's efforts to protect the board and put american citizens first. >> eric: you know what the critics say. cynthia nixon calls a terrorist organization. >> actually, i would invite her to explain that because in fact, i.c.e. is necessary to keep our country safe. right now, we have what is essentially an open border between the united states and mexico. there are human beings being traffic between the border. illicit drugs, illegal firearms and gangs are moving in between the united states and mexico. we have an open border and really, only god knows what is being moved between the two countries. >> eric: antoine, do you think we do indeed have an open border? and i.c.e. should be abolished? >> i totally disagree with the idea of abolishing i.c.e. i think it is impractical and broad policy. i think is important top importance for democrats going into what i call the most consequential midterm election of my lifetime. bottom line is, democrats should be talking about is a failure that the president and the republican majority for not passing comprehensive immigration reform. we need to be calling them out for their famous snatch and debate policy. snatch children away from their families and beat the public into believing that somehow, it is barack obama and the democrats fault. comprehensive immigration reform is what majority of american people want. we cannot afford in our country to have this and is to be a bipartisan effort. it needs to be led by the people who are in charge of the country. and unfortunately the more important of feeding the base of the republican party red meat followed by red kool-aid. >> eric: the president -- >> if i may speak up, sir. the hate and rhetoric that comes from the far left -- >> it comes from the president. >> sir, president trump is present for all americans. if you let me finish my thought. >> certainly. >> will not apologize for supporting a president that puts american citizens first. i'm not going to apologize for a president who wants to secure our borders. i'm a candidate for the united states congress. and i meet with voters every single day. and the voters in michigan, are happy that a president is putting him first. we do not want an open border between the two countries. [multiple speakers] >> eric: their heartbreaking scene that we've seen. >> have said publicly that i congratulate president trump and the administration on their efforts to bring families back together. i am a young mother, i have a nine month old baby. no mother should be separated from her child. and i congratulate and applaud president trump and the ministration efforts to reunite these 2900 families. >> eric: antoine, the last word. >> i'm not asking you to apologize.i'm just asking you to join the reality club and say look, this president, your president and the republican congress failed on the issue of immigration. they have used it as a redmeat issue to get a reaction out of the base and they are responsible for parents and children being separated in a zero-tolerance policy implemented by the trump administration. >> i will be delighted to engage in debate with you. you're filled with a lot of anger and i think one of the things that -- >> anger? [laughter] >> there is a tremendous amount of hatred and vitriol coming from those that support the policies. we will not be silent anymore. the silent majority spoke aloud and we support a president who puts american citizens first. >> eric: we are up against the clock. that is it. >> i just called for bipartisan immigration reform. i don't call that anger.i think it is common sense and practical and what we need. >> eric: that will be the last word there is debate right there but meanwhile, nearly 3000 children remain separated. the deadline is 12 days from now. thank you both. >> thank you. >> arthel: a very fiery debate. >> arthel: a very fiery debate. and we will be right back.l his priorities were a little unorthodox. -keep going. stop. a little bit down. stop. back up again. is this adequate sunlight for a komodo dragon? -yeah. -sure, i want that discount on car insurance just for owning a home, but i'm not compromising. -you're taking a shower? -water pressure's crucial, scott! it's like they say -- location, location, koi pond. -they don't say that. it's like they say -- location, location, koi pond. if you way too often...e moves then you might have a common condition called dry mouth... which can be brought on by many things, like medication and medical conditions. biotène provides immediate, long lasting relief from dry mouth symptoms. it is clinically proven to soothe and moisturize a dry mouth. plus, it freshens breath. biotène. immediate and long lasting dry mouth symptom relief. to and practice... kidlots of practice.tion. get them started right with carnation breakfast essentials. it has protein plus vitamins and minerals to help kids be their best. carnation breakfast essentials. >> arthel: the battle over supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh intensifies as republicans gear up for a tough confirmation fight and democrats valet fierce fight as well. lauren green live in new york with more. >> hi arthel. hillary clinton and senator elizabeth warren of the latest to add their voices to the democrats vehemently opposing the supreme court nominee, brett kavanaugh. looking more like a presidential candidate the former secretary of state gave a fiery 20 live speech to teachers and tom-toms pittsburgh. -- with reversing social change in the last century and 1/2. >> i used to worry that they wanted to turn the clock back to the 1950s.now i where they want to turn it back to the 1850s. >> arthel: earlier today, republican, rather senator warren decide to vilify the choice for what it would mean for her union earlier today republican senator mike lee of utah was on the longest consider for the high court, blasted clinton's words as just plain out of line. >> it is absurd hyperbolic rhetoric in the think secretary clinton should be ashamed of those comments and i call upon her to resend them. it is not helpful, it is not accurate. i consider it completely disingenuous. i think it reflects a certain animus that certain members of the democratic party have now harbored for decades. toward republicans. personal animus. >> a date has been set but mitch mcconnell says he will probably start late august or september in time for judge kavanaugh to be on the high court when it starts the next term october 1. >> arthel: thank you for squeezing that out! we are back after this break. >> arthel: we begin with the fox news alert as we learn that president trump and the russian president, vladimir putin, will hold a joint news conference after their meeting in helsinki, finland, on monday. hello everyone and welcome to a brand-new hour inside "americas news headquarters". i am arthel neville. >> eric: i am eric shawn. the president spending this weekend at his golf course in scotland. as he looks ahead in his summit on monday with vladimir putin. those talks happening just days after the stunning indictments of the 12 russian intelligence officers. for hacking the computers of the democratic national committee and hillary clinton. and trying to interfere with
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