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congress, for refusing to testify the committee might be because the justice department might be investigating mark meadows for possible criminal involvement in encouraging the attack on the capitol, as cassidy hutchinson's testimony indicates. leading off our discussion tonight, stuart stevens, veteran republican presidential campaigns. he is author of, it was all a lie. how the republican party became donald trump. also with, us jeanne robertson, social editor and poster prize-winning columnist. he's an msnbc political analyst. and eugene, we are in week two of the mccarthy tapes. and we suspect there are more on the way. matt gates out tonight with an enraged attack on kevin mccarthy. and stephen scalise saying they are weak, the state show that they are weak. and, so the disarray is in full bloom in the republican house. >> yeah, lawrence, what is
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prize-winning columnist. he's an msnbc political analyst. and eugene, we are in week two of the mccarthy tapes. and we suspect there are more on the way. matt gates out tonight with an enraged attack on kevin mccarthy. and stephen scalise saying they are weak, the state show that they are weak. and, so the disarray is in full bloom in the republican house. >> yeah, lawrence, what is going to be our reference to the republicans in ruin? republicans and riot? something like that? we've got a settle on one. because that's what's happening at the center right now is given mccarthy who has to be the most inept lawyer i've seen in washington a long time.
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was made for a moment like, this but he is doing, is in he's always been a suspect, who he is today. in fact, one of the running themes as you know throughout the book, is something that robert carroll, the historian once said, that power does not corrupt as much as reveals, it may not reveal the best, of us but it reveals a lot about who we are. and power has revealed more and more, about who kevin mccarthy is. it revealed on sunday who stephen scalise, is when he was unable on chris wallace's program, to simply state the fact that the election was not stolen. it revealed about bill barr. it revealed a lot frankly, and the very inspiring and positive side about people like maria bonavista, and alexander vindman, it's not all stories of villainy, there are some real heroes that have emerged from this period, but you're absolutely right, kevin mccarthy was ahead of his time, but he has really made for a presidency that believes that truth is not true. that everyone is entitled to
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