we have no way of knowing. i don t think trump has nearly the organization on the ground in iowa. he would have to make that kind of commitment. he hasn t made the commitment that cruz has. and cruz has every evangelical supporter. he s got the radio people, the preachers, he s got the evangelical vote nailed down in iowa. trump is not going to get anywhere near that in that state. do you agree with that, steve? well, again, i think whether trump turns out a trump voter that we haven t seen before, we re just not going to know until we know, but in terms of dotting the i s and crossing the t s on that, look, i think what he s got to say is that the one candidate that s been nicest to me, ted cruz is the other candidates that s doing well in the state, you know, he s followed in my slip stream for a loft campaign.
it s going to go a long way. that s my sense of it. i thought you were very right and did not only the right thing but the moral thing to question him about how he really produced himself back in 2012 as birther guy. and you re right. that s at the very beginning of the fear element of his politics. and he s going to have to answer for it. the past is never the past. it s still with us. and that s going to dog him all the way to election day if he gets that far. let me go to steve schmidt. trump has tremendous resources. he s a multibillionaire, yet he hasn t spent the money. if he were to do an ad campaign, would it win for him? or is it all grass roots and religion out there? i assume people watch television in iowa. it s a caucus state, chris. the question we don t know the
want regime change. and i think that he and donald trump and ben carson and rand paul, all are in agreement on that. and the fact that the dominant players in the race are saying that is a great significance. but what ted cruz is trying to do that ronald reagan didn t do is talk with a blustery, texas swagger about what he s going to do militarily to isis, at least from the air. and so, he s trying to blend that caution, that caution, that steve is talking about with a bluster about isis that will satisfy and try to calm the fears of the american people. and he s very shrewd about how he s approached it, but i think donald trump, donald trump is trying to stand the stride both of these things on regime change and immigration and so far, he s still remaining somebody that those other two people have to get passed. meaning cruz and rubio, and they
rubio trying to cast cruz as more rand paul i think he wants to be there. i don t think he s resisting it, i think cruz is trying to balance. he wants to be between rand paul, ron paul, and john mccain. he wants to be so and he s not totally for intervention in the way the old hawks are. steve, figure this out, you have to consult these guys, is there a middle position between the party of george w. bush and the party of what was a couple months ago, couple years ago, the rand paul, ron paul party. you know, chris, i don t think the ron paul analogy is the right now. ron paul is a legitimate isolationist in the tradition of taft, he was repudiated by rudy giuliani because he blamed the 9/11 attacks on the american foreign policy, not the foreign jihadis. ronald reagan was not a military adventurer. in the president of that
right. exactly. what our goals were. let s watch that fight. get everybody back in here, casey and steve, let s listen to chris christie sounding like he was itching for a war with russia. and rand paul going at him. would you be prepared to shoot down that russian plane and risk war with russia? not only are we prepared to do it, i would do it. a no-fly zone means a no-fly zone. and yes, we would shoot down the planes of russian pilots if they were stupid enough to think that the this president is the same feckless president as right now. we want in a leader someone with judgment, not someone who is so reckless as to stand on the stage and say, yes, i m jumping up and down, i m going to shoot down russian planes. i think when we think about the judgment of someone who might want world war iii. we might think about someone who might shut down a bridge because they don t like their friends. they want top get a democrat. let me get, steve on this, steve, this debate, i ve bee