>> reporter: ken itzo walked us through the story lars told him countless times -- >> he wasn't sure what he was seeing. he just thought it was an intruder, maybe two. >> there's the thought of, well, debbie's only 5'3", she's blonde. she was wearing a light t-shirt. how could he not see his own wife? >> at 4:00 in the morning, you don't see anything. it's dark. and i don't think size, weight, or complexion matters at 4:00 in the morning, when you're awakened by a noise, and your dog's growling. >> reporter: ken wanted us to experience it with the lights off. >> let's do it. >> so let's shut the light off. okay. >> reporter: at first it was pitch black, but as my eyes adjusted, i could make out something. >> i can see a little bit of a silhouette but i cannot see your face. you wanna turn the light back on? >> i believe i was standing about where lars was standing. you were standing about where
detective. they're not done when he's alone. >> what was he doing when officers were not watching him? >> he sat in this manner, sleeping at moments. >> reporter: and sipping his signature drink, dr. pepper. free on bail, lars understood he was still under the microscope. >> it was difficult. he didn't sleep much. >> reporter: watching lars suffer was torture for ken and kristi. they knew how much their brother loved debbie and how dark and confusing that house could be at night. you felt it was important that we come to the house now. >> yes, i did. >> why? >> because no one realizes how dark it was. >> we're here. it's around 4:00 in the morning. >> yes, it is. >> reporter: this was lars and debbie's bedroom. >> the bed was on this wall. >> reporter: ken itzo walked us through the story lars told him countless times -- >> he wasn't sure what he was seeing. he just thought it was an intruder, maybe two. >> there's the thought of, well, debbie's only 5'3", she's blonde. she was wearing a light t-shirt. how could he not see his own wife? >> at 4:00 in the morning, you don't see anything. it's dark. and i don't think size, weight, or complexion matters at 4:00 in
officers weren't there. >> sitting in this manner. >> sipping his drink, dr. pepper. >> free on bail, lars understood he was still under the microscope. >> it was difficult. he didn't sleep much. >> watching lars suffer was torture for ken and christy. they knew how much their brother loved debbie and how dark and confusing that house could be at night. you felt it was important we come to the house now in. >> yes, i did. >> why? >> because no one realizes how dark it was. >> we're here, it's around 4:00 in the morning. >> yes, it is. >> this was lars and debbie's bedroom. >> the bed was on this wall. >> ken walked us through the story lars told us countless times. >> he wasn't sure what he was seeing, he thought it was an intruder, maybe two. >> debbie is only 5' 3," blopd, wearing a light tee-shirt. why would he not think it was
tears, okay, that doesn't jibe with everything else. >> these bits of emotion are only done in front of the -- the detective. they're not done when he's alone. >> what was he doing when officers were not watching him? >> he sat in this manner. >> sleeping at moments. >> reporter: and sipping his signature drink, dr. pepper. >> reporter: free on bail, lars understood he was still under the microscope. >> it was difficult. >> he didn't sleep much. >> reporter: watching lars suffer was torture for ken and kristi. they knew how much their brother loved debbie and how dark and confusing that house could be at night. >> you felt it was important that we come to the house now. >> yes, i did. >> why? >> because no one realizes how dark it was. >> we're here. it's around 4:00 in the morning. >> yes, it is. >> reporter: this was lars and debbie's bedroom. >> the bed was on this wall. >> reporter: ken itzo walked us through the story lars told him countless times -- >> he wasn't sure what he was seeing. he just thought it was an intruder, maybe two. >> there's the thought of, well, debbie's only 5'3", she's blonde. she was wearing a light t-shirt. how could he not see his own wife?
only done in front of the -- the detective. they're not done when he's alone. >> what was he doing when officers were not watching him? >> he sat in this manner. >> sleeping at moments. >> reporter: and sipping his signature drink, dr. pepper. >> reporter: free on bail, lars understood he was still under the microscope. >> it was difficult. >> he didn't sleep much. >> reporter: watching lars suffer was torture for ken and kristi. they knew how much their brother loved debbie and how dark and confusing that house could be at night. >> you felt it was important that we come to the house now. >> yes, i did. >> why? >> because no one realizes how dark it was. >> we're here. it's around 4:00 in the morning. >> yes, it is. >> reporter: this was lars and debbie's bedroom. >> the bed was on this wall. >> reporter: ken itzo walked us through the story lars told him countless times -- >> he wasn't sure what he was seeing. he just thought it was an intruder, maybe two. >> there's the thought of "well, debbie's only 5'3. she's blonde. she was wearing a light t-shirt. how could he not see his own
free on bail, lars understood he was still under the microscope. >> it was difficult. he didn't sleep much. >> watching lars suffer was torture for ken and christie. they knew how much their brother loved debbie and how dark and confusing that house could be at night. >> you felt it was important that we come to the house now. >> yes, i did. >> why? >> because no one realizes how dark it was. >> we're here, it's around 4:00 in the morning. >> yes, it is. >> this was lars and debbie's bedroom. >> the bed was on this wall. ken walked us through the story lars told him countless times. >> he wasn't sure what he was seeing. he thought it was an intruder, maybe two. >> there's the thought of well, debbie's only 5'3". she's blond. she was wearing a light t-shirt. how could he not see his own wife? >> at 4:00 in the morning you don't see anything. it's dark and i don't think size, weight or complexion matters at 4:00 in the morning
>> he sat in this manner. >> sleeping at moments. >> reporter: and sipping his signature drink, dr. pepper. >> reporter: free on bail, lars understood he was still under the microscope. >> it was difficult. >> he didn't sleep much. >> reporter: watching lars suffer was torture for ken and kristi. they knew how much their brother loved debbie and how dark and confusing that house could be at night. >> you felt it was important that we come to the house now. >> yes, i did. >> why? >> because no one realizes how dark it was. >> we're here. it's around 4:00 in the morning. >> yes, it is. >> reporter: this was lars and debbie's bedroom. >> the bed was on this wall. >> reporter: ken itzo walked us through the story lars told him countless times -- >> he wasn't sure what he was seeing. he just thought it was an intruder, maybe two. >> there's the thought of, well, debbie's only 5'3", she's blonde. she was wearing a light t-shirt. how could he not see his own wife? >> at 4:00 in the morning.
>> what was he doing when officers were not watching him? >> he sat in this manner. >> sleeping at moments. >> reporter: and sipping his signature drink, dr. pepper. >> reporter: free on bail, lars understood he was still under the microscope. >> it was difficult. >> he didn't sleep much. >> reporter: watching lars suffer was torture for ken and kristi. they knew how much their brother loved debbie and how dark and confusing that house could be at night. >> you felt it was important that we come to the house now. >> yes, i did. >> why? >> because no one realizes how dark it was. >> we're here. it's around 4:00 in the morning. >> yes, it is. >> reporter: this was lars and debbie's bedroom. >> the bed was on this wall. >> reporter: ken itzo walked us through the story lars told him countless times -- >> he wasn't sure what he was seeing. he just thought it was an intruder, maybe two. >> there's the thought of, well, debbie's only 5'3", she's blonde. she was wearing a light t-shirt. how could he not see his own wife? >> at 4:00 in the morning. you don't see anything. it's dark. and i don't think size, weight, or complexion matters at 4:00 in the morning, when you're
>> reporter: after laying out how lars killed debbie, the prosecution thought the jury would want to know why. what was the motive? the couple, they said, had hit a breaking point. liz sevilla testified that her hard charging, multi-tasking friend debbie found lars a little too laid back. >> there was always a project. and it was taking a long time. >> and who was doing this construction? >> lars. >> so are you trying to say she was frustrated with lars? >> yes, sir. >> reporter: the prosecutors told the jury this marriage of opposites became too lopsided for lars to handle. >> she took time to play tennis. work was very important. she took time out to go have dinner with friends and family. he wasn't a factor. >> basically, she didn't consider him enough to be a part of her normal, everyday life. >> reporter: they said lars wanted more from debbie. and when he didn't get it, he got rid of her instead. >> reporter: this was a new one for me. one of the possible motives that was brought up, that lars was old school and was upset that debbie did not take his last
african-american community who fear based on incidents like this, that there are officers who take the law into their own hands. they say it takes a village. we have a village of cell phones. millions of people, until we have every police officer with body cams. these videos tell a story. everyone including this officer is innoncent until proven guilty even a man running from a police officer getting out of the car. but i think what is happening more and more, people are saying see, some of these incidents are taking place. these pictures, these videos explain our side of the story. with the more conciliatory tone of this situation i'm hopeful that we're moving in the right direction, but i think to bridge that gap between lack of trust and that overreach in law enforcement authority by the very few in the minority in police we have long way to go. martha: thank goodness for the video as leslie says. thank goodness for the video, it tells a story lars, in a big way. >> well -- martha: the police officer called in and said he tried to