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happenstance? >> yes, absolutely. >> the irony of roger stone rejecting a conspiracy theory. and so today, april 13th, 2017, was the day that america woke up to the sudden knowledge that bombs have mothers. that all of the conventional nonnuclear bombs in the american military arsenal have one big beautiful mother. and there she is. the bomb's official name for bookkeeping purposes in the military is the gbu-43. the letters on the side of the bomb describe its function, what you can expect from it. massive ordnance air blast. but the military doesn't want us to call it the gbu-43, or the moab. names are important to the military. they name their bases after war heroes, after general, including
generals who have committed treason by fighting in the confederate army against the united states of america. the biggest u.s. military base in the world, the one with the biggest military population is in fort hood in texas, named after treasonous confederate general john bell hood. but the military's most important names, the names that are designed to deliver a message sometimes subliminal, sometimes very direct are the names of weapons. the military's best names for weapons humanize the weapons. that is what they are intended to do. the gbu-43, the biggest nonnuclear bomb the united states has never, ever used until today, april 13th, 2017. the gbu-43 had to wait years for its first use. during the bush administration, it replaced the blu-82, which until then was our biggest bomb. the blu-82 was used frequently in vietnam.
the military ace name for it was the daisy cutter. not the baby killer. not the family killer. not the village killer. the daisy cutter. the military's nicknames for bombs are designed to do two things. impress you with something about the bomb. its precision, its power, its enormity. but the best military names for weapons and bombs are designed to inspire awe and affection. and so the bomb that the bush and obama administration refused to use and has now been used by the trump administration is called the mother of all bombs. when the president was asked today about using that bomb for the first time in history, it sounded like he did authorize th the bomb in that instance. it sounded like perhaps he had given the general authorization to general mattis to use whatever weapon he decided was
right for the mission. >> did you authorize it, sir? >> everybody knows exactly what happened. what i do is i authorize my military. we have the greatest military in the world and they have done a great job as usual. we have given them total authorization. and that's what they're doing. frankly, that's why they've been so successful lately. >> the president got glowing review last week from most of the media in his first use of tomahawk missiles, his reviews on the use of the military's most destructive nonnuclear bomb will have to wait until there are at lst initial reports on the number of civilian casualty, if any, and what tactical gain was achieved by the gbu-43. now to the news that donald trump cannot bomb away, the guardian is reporting that british intelligence first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious interactions between figures connected to trump and known or suspected russian agents.
this intelligence was passed to the u.s. as part of a routine exchange of information. sources also told the paper that over the next six monday. until summer of 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between trump's inner circle and the russians. the european countries that passed on electronic intelligence included germany, estonia and poland. according to the guardian, the alleged conversations were picked up by chance as part of routine surveillance of russian intelligence assets. at no point was british intelligence carrying out an operation against donald trump or his campaign. former trump campaign adviser carter page, who was the subject of a foreign intelligence surveillance court warrant last summer said this morning that he may have discussed lifting u.s. sanctions on russia during a trip to moscow last year. >> it sounds like from what you're saying it's possible that you may have discussed the easing of sanction. >> something may have come up in a conversation. i have no recollection.
wikileaks, i love wikileaks. >> boy, that wikileaks has done a job on her, hasn't it? >> this wikileaks is like a treasure trove. >> joining us now, malcolm nance, msnbc counterterrorism and intelligence analyst. david corn, washington bureau chief for mother jones and an msnbc political analyst. and david frump, senior editor. i want to talk about the massive bomb that was dropped today and your interpretation of its use and what you think it might have been able to achieve in that usage. >> well, the gbu-43 is really just an area destruction device. it's designed to make a big blast over pressure. a lot of earthquaking, knock down tunnel, destroy people and tunnels that are out in the field. it's just another bomb. and i think people are sort of looking over the fact that it was dropped in a combat zone. a b-52 carrying 32 j-dam bombs
could have caused much more devastation with much more precision. the air force wanted to use this device, and they did. >> david fromm, the reports today, it wasn't just the british picking up something involving trump world and the russians, estonia, poland. it sounds like there was a lot to pick up. >> and the polls have particularly sophisticated intelligence service, and have been very interested in the ukraine case. poland and ukraine are neighbors with deep histical relaonships. poland contains many more consulates in ukraine than the united states does and it knows a lot about the career of paul manafort. that name would ring some very noisy alarm bells in warsaw. >> david corn, the way the -- we just heard the cia director talk about wikileaks compared to the way the president has talked about wikileaks. it's another one of those
congressional -- i don't know. that's crazy talk. but nevertheless, it is so absurd, you know, because at the same time donald trump still says this is all a hoax. >> malcolm nance, you have literally written the book about this, about the russian influence in this election and what they were up to. just give us your assessment about the last 24 hours of new informatio >> well, i'm afraid to say this is what separates intelligence officers from journalists, you know. i wrote this almost seven months ago now. that if you were ever going to get a scoop with relation to information coming out about the trump administration's activities related to foreign intelligence, it was going to come from a foreign intelligence agency. pretty sure that i said estonia would be the first one. because as we learned, they have very close ties with the united states and other allied nations. and they're very, very good at
certain types of special intelligence. that's what we call signals intelligence. and our sister gchq and dgsc in france, they have a vested interest in knowing what is going on there. on the other hand, it was very surprising to finally hear mike pompeo come out and declare wikileaks a nonstate hostile intelligence agency. i wrote a whole chapter in my book about how wikileaks was nonstate intelligence company and a subsidiary of the fsb. that being said, it's going to be fascinating for anyone who has now been found to cooperate with wikileaks. because this is essentially him verbalizing in an unclassified setting an intelligence finding that they were in league, not only with russian intelligence perhaps by extension, but now a designated nonstate hostile intelligence agency. it's going to make for some very, very interesting congressional investigations and trials. there. >> are people in the trump
tillerson admitted it. nikki haley admitted it. mike pompeo said it today. while roger stone is out there pushing conspiracy theorys on this network and others. so can they kind of act as if they're legitimate, even when they're working for a fellow who denies the original sin of this administration and still continues to say things that make no sense? >> i think the answer to that, david, would be from a moral point of view, maybe not. from a practical point of view, everybody has to be less fussy. >> malcolm nance, isn't it a question of what are they saying from this point forward? when you look at what tillerson was saying the week before the chemical attack in syria, he seemed like he hadn't even found his way around the office yet and didn't have the vaguest idea what a reasonable talking point sounded like on syria, saying he was going to leave it to, what,
haley as u.n. ambassador has been far ahead of even mcmaster and mattis. and the strength of her statements about russia and syria. and so now it appears that it's coming together at least on these two points, even though as i contend, the attack on syria was a complete wash. we didn't destroy anything. we didn't destroy chemical weapons. we just showed that we knew how to turn the key and launch cruise missiles. so i think that the white house in some respects is coming together. and if these threats and statements about north korea are true, as we're going to talk about a little later, they had better get their acts together. because this is the sort of talk that will bring this nation into war or to a crisis that will, you know, resemble the paces to war. >> david, when you talk about hemming in a president, that has been done in the past in a more subtle way. just the advisers would basically -- the experts in the areas of defense or whatever it was would present a set of possibilities.
only one of which looked possible and the others just weren't. and so that was always the traditional way if the advisers were trying to hem in the president. >> well, it is a more extreme way, which you'll rember from the history, james schlesinger in the last days of watergate telling the nuclear command by the way, i'm putting myself as secretary of defense into the nuclear command. if you get any funny orders from the president, just run them past me. >> this was when president nixon was up drunk late at night in the white house. >> taking pills. >> and approaching the point of being forced to resign. his said don't take any nuclear orders from him in the middle of the night. >> right. unless you cleared them with me. so presidents can be hemmed in. the question, how many weeks did that occur over? >> relatively short period of time. >> can you do it over four years? probably not. in the end, the president fires a all of these people. and one of the things that donald trump's displayed is, and he has done it now to his white
house staff, steve bannon and others, he doesn't like it when anyone near him gets too big. and right now mattis is very big, and tillerson is getting bigger, and nikki haley in particular is getting very big. how will the president feel about that tomorrow, next week, the week after that. >> david corn, isn't that a matter of how "saturday night live" treats it? if "saturday night live" says nikki haley is the brains of the trump white house, that's when the clock starts ticking? >> i would amend david's astute observation. it's not how people around donald trump getting big. it's how it's portrayed and perceived. and because that's really how he views the world. he views the world and how the world is viewing him. the reality doesn't matter as much. and if we talk about hemming in and mcmasters getting his hands around the national security council and mattis, we see it only takes trump seven seconds to say something or even less seconds to tweet something about north korea or something else that can be incredibly destabilizing. so you can hem in a guy to a certain degree.
but when he is up at 6:00 in the morning, i don't think mattis or mcmasters or even his wife are looking over his shoulders. so there still is a lot of instability there. >> should nbc have some kind of corporate ethics officer in the "saturday night live" writings room saying please don't say anything about nikki haley overnight. >> no, no corporate interference there. >> but maybe for the sake of the country they should. we don't want those jokes. >> they're all patriots at "snl." they're all patriots. >> that's right. they're right upstairs. david frum, a pleasure. coming up, nbc news exclusive reporting that the trump white house has a plan for a presumptive strike on north korea. and the democratic candidate in georgia in that special election for a house seat has a huge lead in the polls. that's a seat that has been republican for 38 years.
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the last few days we've seen a number of shifts by the american president. what should the american people make of the shifts? >> i think you can look at it what you're referring to as a shift in a lot of ways. if you look at what's happened, it's those entities the or individuals in some cases are issues evolving towards the president's position. [bullfighting music]
really another successful job. we're very, very proud of our military. just like we're proud of the folks in this room. we are so proud of our military. and it was another successful event. >> joining us now, the former ambassador to the african union. and deputy assistant secretary of state for african affairs. back with us, david corn. ambassador, i want to get your reaction to the bomb today. you studied the aftermath of bombings, especially as it affects the civilian casualties and other unintended consequences. what do you expect to find when we finally see the results of this bomb? >> well, lawrence, the first question is what was the target and why was the target necessary to be attacked with this particular weapon. and then the second question is what was the calculus that the military made with the regard to the potential impact of civilians in that area. the gbu-43, the so-called mother of all bombs is an 11-ton weapon that has blast effects that go well beyond a mile.
and it's frankly hard to imagine a circumstance on which you could drop a weapon like that without having any consequences whatsoever on civilians. so i'm very interested in asking the questions about what exactly was the target, and how did the military make the calculation that attacking that target would be worth whatever potential impact it would be on civilians. >> and ambassador, do you sense that in the decision to use this particular bomb, that there was an intent to deliver a message with it that this bomb delivers because malcolm nance has mentioned in the previous segment that you could have done the same destructive work with other devices. >> well, there certainly could be some sort of signaling or psychological impact on what the use of that weapon. although what would expect that that desired effect would have been taken into decision, if that were the case works have
been taken at a higher level. could be there were particular aspects about the contours of the target that were being attacked. but that's the problem. we don't know. for the unprecedented use of a weapon like this, there are certainly more questions than answers. and as they say, asking the question what exactly was a target that justified this kind of weapon is something i think we simply need to have a responsible. >> let's listen to what secretary of defense rumsfeld said when this bomb was first being brought online for the military and first being tested, he was asked about this new bomb. let's listen to this. >> is there a psychological component to this massive new bomb? there. >> is a psychological component to all aspects of warfare. the goal is to not have a war. the goal is to have the pressure be so great that saddam hussein cooperates. short of that, an unwillingness to cooperate, the goal is to have the capabilities of the coalition so clear and so
obvious that there is an enormous disincentive for the iraqi military to fight against the coalition. >> david corn, the bomb was available to the bush administration. it was available to the obama administration every day. they chose never to use it. and we have yet to find out exactly what went into the decision for the trump administration to use it, and whether the president even knew that it was beg ed before it was used. >> let's start with the principle, the assumption that the people who were bombed know they were bombed. and so nothing that happened is a secret to them. they know where they were. they know what happened. i think the american public is now owed similar information. as the ambassador said, what was the intended target, and did it hit the intended target? why was this weapon needed when other alternatives were not used? and you know, what can we learn about civilian casualties and collateral damage as they you have call it.
this one weapon, we can get maybe overly overwrought about it. but i still think since they used it for the first time these questions still should be answered. i don't see any reason why the american public can't get these simple answers. >> it's a $15 million bomb. ambassador bringingety, why did the bush administration, the obama administration decide never to use that bomb? >> there could be any number of reasons. one might be frankly that the particular tactical circumstances never presented themselves. and by that to be able to use a weapon that is -- that has that kind of blast radius, you would have do be very confident of one two of things. either that there would be virtually no civilians that
would be impacted by the blast, or that the target that you were attacking was of such profound military value that it would justify the sorts of civilian casualties that would result. so one could be that neither the bush administration nor the obama administration ever found themselves in that particular sort of circumstances. another could be that frankly, the weapon that is that large, it's hard to imagine environments short of dropping it on the moon that you would like not be likely to impact civilians. and frankly, what we may be seeing is frankly a very different set of calculus that are being taken by the trump administration as impact for civilian casualties and the willingness they're prepared to give to the military commanders to have that sorts of flexibility of decision making on the ground. >> how long will it take to get the after action report on this bomb? >> it depends.
it depends on how much access u.s. and coalition forces have to the area, whether there is a permissive environment that will allow that. frankly, it also depends on whether or not other hostile forces take their own crews in to make videos of potential civilian casualties for their own propaganda efforts. so we'll have to wait and see. >> we'll leave there it for tonight. david corn, thank you very much for joining us. ambassador brigety, we're going to need you for one more segment here. coming up, the reporting that the president trump administration has a plan for preemptive attack on north korea. but every administration has such an attack plan, has had such an attack plan on north korea. will this one be used?
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is it the fact that what nbc has picked up is the conditions under which the trump administration would be willing to use that plan? >> well, it's quite possible that now that e conditions have changed, north korea may in fact be either planning an atomic detonation, or some sort of surprise with regards to their intercontinental ballistic testing machine. just in case. the problem here with the trump administration is over the last two weeks they've used phrases from the secretary of state himself like "imminent threat ." those words that if china doesn't help us, we will go it alone. those words resonate. not just to the north koreans, but to everyone in the entire region that maybe this time the war plan the united states has is something that they're taking very seriously, and that they tend to intimidate north korea.
north korea doesn't intimidate very well, and that these words could have very, very serious dramatic action. >> let's listen to what former obama cia director and defense secretary leon panetta said about this tonight. >> there are no good options here. if we were to try to attack them, they would virtually wipe out seoul. and if it became a nuclear war, which is likely, millions of lives would be lost. and that's the reason we haven't pulled the trigger. >> ambassador brigety, is it possible, is there another possibility that if a weapons system was attacked in north korea from the united states, that north korea would simply take the hit, that they would just absorb the hit and not attack south korea? >> i have never heard of any analyst that follows the region that thinks that's a possibility.
we have is a very mercurial regime in pyongyang, particularly under this younger rur kim jongn, who has not only demonstrated his willingness to show belligerent through mill tests but willing to kill his own kin, as we saw by a successful assassination attempt by his half-brother in kuala lumpur. we certainly have uncertainty on the leadership on both sides of this equation, uncertainty with the leadership of kim jong un, and frankly, and respectfully uncertainty in regard to president trump who has demonstrated the ability to change 180 degrees, whether it be syria, on china, with regard to the irrelevance of nato, his view on profound pillars of the international system.
and that level of uncertainty on both sides of the equation is what is new in this particular circumstance, and frankly, what is so disconcerting. >> malcolm nance, if you war game this out for the president, he takes a preemptive strike against north korea. you have to then war game for the president what north korea is going to do. would there be anyone war gaming that in the pentagon or in the white house with any credibility saying that no south koreans would then be killed by north korea? >> well, yes. we've been red teaming this, war gaming this since 1953. and in every scenario, like the ambassador said, north korea, you know, they have this proclivity towards moving to the extreme. and for them sinking a vessel, coming out, you know, interdicting commercial and naval traffic throughout the sea of japan, or launching thousands of rockets into south korea,
that's the way they red team this game. they understand and they know that america knows that the only options here when given this, and this is why leon panetta was so distraught in his words is that they have the option of creating massive numbers of casualties. in south korea, whether it's going out and engaging on a military force. but let me tell you. one last thing. this isn't my usual area of expertise. you know, in the western pacific. however, there is one thing that i do know. north korea is so dug in with their weapon systems since the korean war, since 1953 when it ended that the only way you're going to get rid of that nuclear program is to burn it out with a nuclear bomb. and we are not going to carry out that type of attack. north korea now has demonstrated atomic weapons systems. and we don't know how their
delivery systems or whether they've been perfected. and they don't have to be perfected. they can put out out on a trawler in the sea of japan and detonate it and make things very unpleasant for japan and south korea. it's something we shouldn't even be discussing is now being discussed. >> we're going have to leave it there for tonight. malcolm nance gets the last word. ambassador brigety and malcolm nance, thank you for join us. coming up, coming up on tuesday in georgia, democrat jon ossoff has a big lead in that race. and he will join us next.
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a candidate for congress in georgia's sixth district this. district has been republican for 38 years. it was newt gingrich rich's district. tom price had an easy re-election there. but the striking thing there is donald trump won the district by only one point. how did that happen? tom price won by own 20, and donald trump on the same ballot took it by only one. >> thank you for having me. this community where i grew up is a moderate pragmatic district. economically minded. it recognizes that extremism is bad for business. i wasn't effective principled leadership. doestize identify as partisan or idea logical. i think that's why the president had a probable here. i'm focusing on local economic development and shared values in the community that bring people to go.
>> how much of an issue has the republican repeal of the affordable care act act -- how much has that been an issue in your district? >> it was of major concern. you are talking about a proposal to throw 24 million off of their health insurance back into the emergency room at taxpayer exsense. it also would have gutted the georgia based centers for disease control and prevention which helps the whole country. it was an unpopular bill here. so, too, as today's closed door signing of a bill attacking family planning and reproductive health been greeted with concern in this district. >> there has been a lot of outside help for you in this campaign. the fund is obviously surprising everyone. it is a massive amount of funding for a congressional campaign. were you surprised that you were able to attract that much campaign help? >> it has taken on a bit of a life of its own. i'm proud of the fact that it's small dollar grassroots fun
raising. the average an trick to my campaign is $42. when you have super pacs from washington coming in with cynical partisan attacks on candidates like me who are standing up against corruption and for a change in corruption i'm glad it's grassroots funding if no one clears 50% on tuesday. the runoff will be on june 20th. the early numbers suggest an outright win on tuesday is possible. either way we will be ready to fight and win if there is a runoff. >> in your strategy, do you have to hold some of your financial resources for that possible runoff and not go all out on advertising spending between now and tuesday?
>> we are doubling down right now on a win on tuesday, because it is within reach. the grassroots intensity in georgia is unlike anything that i've seen in this community before. there are thousands of volunteers knocking on doors and making phone calls. it's a hopeful and inspiring scene here in georgia. folks in the community are really standing up. it's a broad coalition ready for some fresh leadership and i think we have a great shot on tuesday of an outright win. >> this was not one those campaigns that you could plan, that you could look out two years out and say i think i'm going to go for that seat. this suddenly came up because there was suddenly a vacancy, donald trump surprises the world, wins the election, and then chooses your congressman for his cabinet. when did you decide to make a run for this seat? >> well, after the presidential election, i began to think about whether i needed to get more involved directly now. i asked i myself if not now, when, when i learned that my hometown congressman was vey kagtd i started looking at the race.
the moment i set my heart on it was after a meeting with john lewis. he told me i should run and that he would endorse me if i did and i walked out of that meeting with my mind made up. >> john ossoff, candidate for georgia's sixth congressional district. thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you for having me. coming up, donald trump versus donald trump. you do all this research
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i'm going to instruct my treasury secretary to label china a currency manipulator, the greatest in the world. >> in an interview with the "wall street journal" mr. trump said his administration won't label china a currency manipulator late they are week. >> we are giving countries a free ride. nato is obsolete. it's old, it's fat. it's sloppy. and we are -- and it doesn't talk about terrorism. >> the secretary general and i had a productive discussion about what more nato can do in the fight against terrorism. i said it was obsolete. it's no longer obsolete. when i see a story about donald trump didn't fill hundreds and hundreds of jobs, that's because in many cases we don't want to fill those jobs. >> you have 600 open jobs though that you can appoint. what's going on -- >> a lot of those jobs i don't want to appoint because they are unnecessary to have i am waiting right now for so many people. hundreds and hundreds of people.
Conspiracy-theoryIronyApril-13thRoger-stoneYesApril-13th-2017201713BombsMotherAllMothers>> we appreciate your time. thanks for joining us. tonight, the deadly blast rocking an american city. the massive explosion, a building leveled. you could feel the blast across the city, witnesses said. at least one dead, several injured, raced from the scene. firefighters had been called to the area right before the explosion. also at this hour, the major snowstorm slamming several states right now. up to two feet of snow, dangerous winds, 1,000 flights grounded or delayed. 100 miles of a key interstate shut down tonight. rob marciano has the track and the timing as we head into this evening. attorney general william barr on the hill, pressed on how he could determine there was no obstruction of justice when robert mueller did not. and what he said about spying on the trump campaign. the horrific and deadly bus crash today. the truck barrelling through an intersection, slamming right into a school bus.
that deadly police standoff, officers called to this home, both officers shot. and tonight, we have now learned what they thought they were responding to. the beloved high school principal who died after donating bone marrow to a boy. how does this happen? your money tonight. gas prices on the rise. and where it's already topping $4. and tonight, the new report. the best day to buy gas and the worst. one of the great mysteries tonight. astronomers now revealing the first image of a black hole. and a nation riveted. he was one of the most famous tv contestants, watched by millions. back in the news tonight. good evening. and it's great to have you with us here on a wednesday night. and we are tracking that major blizzard on the move tonight. 20 states, 1,000 flights affected. but we do begin tonight with that horrific scene in durham, north carolina, a massive explosion. it happened after a call about a gas leak near downtown, a downtown building, in fact.
firefighters answering the call. they were trying to evacuate people when the massive explosion then happened. fire, smoke and the scene of devastation tonight. firefighters then battling the flames and looking for the injured, rushing them to get them help. tonight, we know at least one person is dead, several others critically injured, and abc's chief national affairs correspondent tom llamas is on the scene for you, and we warn you, the images are difficult. >> reporter: tonight, that deadly gas explosion rocking downtown durham. people running from the blast, covered in blood, as firefighters ran in, facing off with a giant fireball and smoke that could be seen for miles. emergency crews now digging through this mountain of rubble, making sure no one is still trapped. >> we just heard a loud explosion, like, boom. >> reporter: city officials say at 9:38 this morning, the fire department was on site, responding to reports of a gas leak, likely from a construction
crew in the area that hit a natural gas line. then at 10:07, as evacuations were underway, that massive blast. >> the whole building shook. it was, like, intense. i felt it through my whole body. >> reporter: watch as this nearby bridge cam captured the impact and sound of the blast. the explosion killing at least one person, 17 others rushed to the hospital, six in critical condition tonight. >> oh, my god. >> reporter: the destruction seen from every angle. this is our first up-close look at some of the destruction. and everywhere you look, there are bricks and glass everywhere. you can see how powerful the blast was. five buildings were effected. across the street, all the windows blown out. in the building just next door, you can see the windows are gone, as well, and the roof has caved in. >> all you see is a cloud of smoke go up, and then you see the building just slowly crumble down. >> reporter: students at a nearby school were forced to evacuate. several businesses damaged or destroyed, including one housing a world class vintage porsche collection.
the cars, like this stretch of downtown durham, ravaged. >> just a stunning scene tonight. tom llamas is live on the scene for us, and tom, i know you're hearing from officials tonight that search and rescue teams could actually be on the scene for days there? >> reporter: that's right, david. and actually right now, they're using both video and listening devices, because there's a mound of rubble, they want to make sure they don't miss anything. they're also going to have to tunnel under that debris. now david, we've covered a lot of home explosions, gas explosions here on "world news tonight," but i've never seen anything quite like this. the brick building exploded, sending bricks as big as this shooting out nearly 100 yards. one eye witness, david, told me it sounded like an earthquake. >> just incredible. tom llamas, our thanks to you for getting right to the scene there for us today. in the meantime, we turn next tonight to the other major headline unfolding right now. that major blizzard on the move at this hour. 20 states, a potentially historic storm. more than 1,000 flights canceled or delayed. in fact, more than 800 flights in denver alone. you can see snow and whiteout conditions. in fact, these images are from
watertown, south dakota, tonight. interstate 29 there shut down for 100 miles. at this hour, the storm is gaining strength. conditions worsening as it heads east. we have the track tonight, as we head into the night, and abc's clayton sandell is in the storm zone for us. >> reporter: tonight, spring might be on the calendar, but a powerful blizzard is bringing winter back to millions. in south dakota, cars off the road. winds above 50 miles an hour creating whiteout conditions. a highway patrol shutting down more than 100 miles of interstate 29. the system even bringing thundersnow. on interstate 90 in billings, montana, watch as an suv driving too fast nearly slams into a roadside assistance vehicle. at denver's airport, a major hub, more than 850 flights delayed or canceled. colorado's governor activating the national guard in case drivers get stranded. to the south, the leading edge of the cold front spawning this gustnado near pueblo. and in the west, winds gusting
above 45 miles an hour fanning a fast-moving brush fire in palm springs, california, tuesday evening, prompting evacuations. downing trees and power lines in l.a. county. and in southeast washington state, streets submerged in pullman. firefighters using a front-end loader to rescue a man trapped after a rain-soaked creek jumped its banks. >> clayton sandell with us live tonight from interstate 25, a white denver there behind you. and clayton, i know traffic is moving right now, but authorities are concerned this is getting worse as we head into the night and they're nervous about drivers headed out? >> reporter: that's right, david. officials here say they are taking no chances. they're already starting to shut down some major interstates here before conditions get so bad that they might be stranded in their cars. you'll remember last time, some people were trapped in their vehicles for more than 24 hours. david? >> yes, we remember it well. clayton sandell, our thanks to you. rob marciano would be the first to tell you that this is not all that uncommon in april, snowstorms, but this one could be historic. >> reporter: and it's really
strong, david. also, it's moving really slowly. some of these blizzard warnings are going to be up for 36 hours, and a huge wind field with this. as far south as texas, could see winds of 50 miles an hour. denver getting the worst of it tonight, as the low bottoms out in through kansas. strong thunderstorms between chicago and st. louis tomorrow, in the warm sector. the cold sector, blizzard conditions, one to two inch snowfall rates an hour. look how slowly it moves, though. thursday night into friday morning, still snowing in st. cloud friday morning. and as far as snow totals go, one to two feet of snow for nebraska through minnesota. it doesn't feel like april, david. >> all right, we're thinking of everyone in the storm zone tonight. rob, thank you. now, to the major headline involving the president's attorney general tonight. what william barr said today on capitol hill about spying on the trump campaign. he said spying did occur, in fact, and he revealed he will set up a team to investigate. but democrats today wanted to know something else. how barr determined that there was no obstruction of justice when robert mueller declined to answer that question. mary bruce on the hill for it all. >> reporter: on capitol hill today, a startling declaration from the attorney general,
bill barr, saying the u.s. government spied on the trump campaign. >> i think spying on a political campaign is a big deal. >> so you're not -- you're not suggesting, though, that spying occurred? >> i don't -- well, i guess you could -- i think spying did occur. yes, i think spying did occur. >> reporter: he appears to be talking about the fbi's 2016 surveillance effort to determine whether any trump associates were involved with the russians. the big question, barr says, was it warranted? today, he acknowledged he's seen no specific evidence of wrongdoing. but he's putting together a team to find out for sure. >> i am not saying that improper surveillance occurred. i'm saying that i am concerned about it and looking into it. >> reporter: the president has been demanding this, an investigation into the russia investigation. >> and this was an attempted coup. this was an attempted takedown of a president and we beat them.
we beat them. >> reporter: democrats today alarmed by barr's announcement, questioning his independence. you think he's doing the bidding of the president here? >> yes, i'm sure this is exactly what the president wanted him to say. >> reporter: they're also frustrated that, for now, the attorney general won't discuss how he reached his own conclusion that the president did not obstruct justice, even though special counsel robert mueller did not make a determination. >> mr. attorney general, the thing is, you put this out there. i mean, the president went out and tweeted the next day that he was exonerated. that wasn't based on anything in the mueller report with respect to obstruction of justice. that was based on your assessment. >> all right, so, this was day two. mary bruce was there for it all. and mary, there is also news tonight on the president's tax returns. today was the deadline, house democrats had demanded six years worth of returns. they gave the irs until today to respond. no tax returns. and here's what the president said today. >> i would love to give them, but i'm not going to do it while i'm under audit. it's very simple.
remember, i got elected last time, the same exact issue, with the same intensity, which wasn't very much, because frankly, the people don't care. >> mary, the president quite clear there, he said americans don't care, last time, he got elected. he said he's still under audit, so, what now? >> reporter: well, david, democrats are not giving up, but they are being methodical about this. they are not going to rush to subpoena. instead, they're going to double down on this request. they seem to be playing the long game here, laying the groundwork in case they need to fight this in court. david? >> mary bruce with us again tonight. thank you, mary. we turn now to the deadly bus crash today. the truck barrelling through an intersection and right into a school bus and other vehicles. dash cam video tonight showing the collision. you see the school bus right there, and then that truck comes right into the intersection, slamming into several vehicles, in fact. it happened in clinton, maryland. the driver of a car was killed, trapped between the bus and the truck. several others hurt, including students. abc's david kerley covers transportation. >> reporter: it's a bus carrying high schoolers around 6:00 in
the morning, when out of nowhere, a semitruck plows into that bus. and it's difficult to see, but between the bus and the truck is a car that is squeezed, crushed between the two larger vehicles. the female driver in that car was killed. two students, the bus driver and three others were taken to the hospital with non-life threatening injuries. >> i do want to confirm that the students on that bus, and the driver, are okay. >> reporter: police would not confirm what the video appears to show. that the tractor trailer runs through a red light at the intersection, trying to turn, but barrelling into that car as it overturns and then into the bus. the ntsb does not plan to investigate this accident. but the federal government does tell us that on average, there are ten deadly school bus crashes every year on our roads. david? >> david kerley with us tonight. david, thank you. next, to new reporting tonight on that deadly police standoff. we have reported on the body cam here before. those two officers called to a home in suburban atlanta. the officers running up to that
home, then coming under fire when they got to the front door. both were shot, both survived. and tonight, right here, we hear from them. we have now learned what they thought they were responding to. here's abc's steve osunsami. >> ah! >> reporter: the two surburban atlanta police officers seen in this body camera video suffering gunshot wounds during a routine police call are telling our station in atlanta tonight that they thought they were responding to a woman in labor, but the pregnant woman was already dead. >> as soon as i kicked in the door, about two seconds later, the guy started putting rounds on me. >> shots fired, shots fired. >> reporter: inside the house, 47-year-old anthony bailey was promising to shoot them dead, too, if they didn't leave. >> do not come in here. i got a lot of shots. >> reporter: officer keegan merritt, seen here, was shot in the hand. >> it stunned me, but i knew that he could see me and i couldn't see him and i was in a bad spot. >> reporter: officer taylor webb was shot in the chest and the hip, and was hiding in the garage before he was set free. after a 17-hour standoff, no one
inside the home survived, including the gunman, who police say killed himself. >> the worst thing that happened over the entire incident is that civilians lost their lives. >> reporter: the officers tonight say they're glad that they were the ones who showed up first and not firefighters. david? >> all right, steve, thank you. and now, to the anger boiling on capitol hill today, aimed squarely at the pharmaceutical companies hiking prices over something many americans need, insulin. the house energy and commerce committee grilling representatives from three of the nation's biggest pharmaceutical companies over skyrocketing prices. >> i don't know how you people sleep at night. i just want you to know, your days are numbered. >> the executives answering that the prices are high partly because they say they need to spend more money to research better drugs. we turn to an alarming headline tonight about a beloved high school principal who underwent surgery to donate bone marrow to a stranger. a little boy in need of help. that principal then suffering complications and dying. here's abc's linsey davis.
>> reporter: one final act of kindness is being remembered tonight, as this new jersey high school grieves the loss of their principal. dr. derrick nelson, just 44 years old, died unexpectedly over the weekend after recently donating bone marrow. >> even if you never even spoke a word with him, his impact was felt the moment you walked in as a freshman. >> reporter: according to the westfield high school newspaper, nelson was contacted by a bone marrow program, telling him he was a match for a 14-year-old boy in france. nelson reportedly telling the paper at the time, "if it's just a little bit of pain for a little bit of time that can give someone years of joy, it's all worth it." his fiance telling abc news that he suffered complications after his donation, saying, "his last kind and generous act on this earth, in giving so someone else might live, is a true testament to who he was." and david, doctors stress that complications from bone marrow donations are extremely rare. nelson is survived by his 6-year-old daughter. david? >> all right, linsey davis
tonight. thank you, linsey. and tonight, the pentagon has now released the names of the three u.s. marines killed in afghanistan. they are corporal robert hendriks from new york, sergeant benjamin hines from york, pennsylvania, and staff sergeant christopher slutman, the new york city firefighter who we reported on last night here. their convoy was hit by a roadside bomb on monday near bagram air force base. the taliban is claiming responsibility. there is still much more ahead on "world news tonight" this wednesday. one of the most famous tv contestants, this nation riveted, watched by millions, tonight, we remember him and the story behind him. also, the missing american couple disappearing on vacation in the dominican republic. what authorities today revealed about the couple from near new york city. the warning tonight about distracted drivers. the frightening moment right here on the highway when a speeding driver slams into the back of that truck because they were distracted. and your money tonight. gas prices on the rise. where it's already topping $4. and tonight right here, that new report, the best day to buy gas
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as charles van doren got the questions right on the quiz show "21." >> did he behead katherine howard? >> he did! you've got 18 points. >> reporter: it appeared at times he was struggling to find the answers. no one knew he already knew them. >> yes, i know his name. halleck. general h.w. halleck. >> you're right. you have eight points. >> reporter: the role played by ray fiennes in the movie "quiz show." >> halleck. general h.w. halleck. >> you have 21! >> reporter: charles van boren won a lot of money. the equivalent today of a million dollars. >> congratulations for a wonderful victory. >> reporter: he was on the cover of "time." but amid growing questions about the quiz shows of that time -- >> the dramatic climax of the probe of fixed and rigged quiz shows. >> reporter: van doren would tell congressional investigators he had the questions and answers in advance. there were many other contestants, too, but charles van doren would become the face of it. >> for his wealth and fame, he paid a bitterly high price. >> reporter: after the scandal, after losing his teaching job at
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William-barrTrackRob-marcianoEveningTimingSchool-busBusIntersectionJusticeTrump-campaignObstructionCrashbail? >> reporter: yeah, that's right, jose. charles shaw, a well known bail bondsman here in the atlanta area, he's had several high profile clients including rapper gucci mane and ti. he was the one contacted by trump's legal team to help post his $200,000 bond. i spoke with mr. shaw late last night at his office, in suburban atlanta and he said that through his attorney, mr. trump posted 10% of that bond. take a listen to what some of mr. shaw told me last night. >> it was a historical experience, one i never experienced before and one i never will again in my life. very serious experience. a experience we had to get it done right. and i think we did. and i just think it was just something that was quite extraordinary. i think this is probably the most secured bond i've ever executed in my entire career.
ReporterJoseProfileCharles-shawBailGucci-maneThat-s-rightClientsAtlanta-areaTiOneDefiant-donald-trumpof things. one, they could appear together, they could appear separately. we have been told that a virtual appearance is on the table. that this could be done by zoom, something the court started allowing during covid precautions and something that still stands today. so all of those options are still on the table right now. now, i do want to point out, though, just the sheer magnitude of security that was necessary, the protocols taken for the former president to come down to atlanta to make the jail secure enough for him to go inside for about 20 minutes and surrender, that was a huge undertaking. we're talking about sheriff deputies from multiple jurisdictions, the secret service, weeks of meetings to make that happen. so, if there were to be an arraignment of the former president and he were to come in person, that would be yet another heavy lift, a very heavy lift. that kind of brings into question whether or not he would appear in person or would wave the arraignment or whether it would be done virtually if that is still on the table. >> and, blayne, what do we have any information on the one last
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