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How do you stop that from continuing to happen? >> so thats the problem, which is that they continue to attack democracy. they continue to move along the perimeter looking for the weak points in the fence. and we have to be right every time. we have to prevent subversion of elections every time, and thats a hard and tall order, which is the reason why programs like this are so important. it is such a wonderful public service that you and cnn are doing because democracy is in peril right now. and...

Is that they seem to have cracked the code. and im wondering how concerned you are about this when you have a situation where the last time around there were secretaries of state like brad rafrens burger who stood in the way. there were election officials in michigan who wouldnt go along with what the trump team wanted to do. it didnt work in pennsylvania. you know, it went to the courts and he was slapped down, and so on. but they have -- they have broken this code in a way that sort of outline...

>> president biden: jim crow 2.0 is about two insidious things. voter suppression and election subversion. ive been having these quiet conversations and members of congress for the last two months and im tired of being quiet. today, making it clear. to protect our democracy, i support changing the senate rules, whichever way they need to be changed to prevent a minority of centers from blocking actions on voting rights. the consequential moments in history, they present the choice do you want to...

You come up first, yougi give commentary and im like youre absolutelyy right. you sayay we had a historic turnout and hes saying this voter suppressionte. yeah. generally in a debate you marshal evidence to bolster your position. biraki, obviously he did the opposite in record time. hes like saying theres nok such thing as a pink unicorn and then he shows you a pink unicorn. in this case he said voter suppression happens because of republicans and then he says the twenty twenty electionon was an...

Electoral count act. does that go far enough in your view? >> it doesnt. >> and if not, why not? >> ive been an outspoken critic of the idea that somehow we pass reforms to the electoral count act and we are any better off. the electoral count act will deal with the problems that we see with senators and members of congress objecting on the floor of the house and the senate. but reforming the electoral count act alone wont do anything to prevent county election officials from putting their thumb...

Talks with democrats to try to make changes to that. and i think we could add that to a list of other things that could really make it harder for someone whos unscrupulous to try to change the results of an election. >> so last go-round in 2020 it seemed like there were scruples lacking in congress with some republicans. the state officials really -- they held the line. what if you saw the flip, say, in 2024 where you have these big lie candidates who are vying for these positions of influence i...

Right, putin invaded then and -- and now, he is massing on the border. didnt happen during the trump administration. and i am wondering why you think putin is choosing to do this now, to test no you? now. >> well, a couple reasons. one is, you know, he is essentially losing in ukraine. in 2014, he -- you know, people there wanted a democratic future. he pushed back, he invaded, he took crimea. teek the eastern part of the country. um, and since that time, he has tried to undermine their politics...

And yes, were kind of already sparsing out facts between you and i, but criminal intent would be required. but what might appear as a normal factual, you know, nothing important could be turned into a conspiracy later on. so its really important for us to drill down, but its too premature to determine what level of criminal culpability could exist. >> if there are not charges or legal repercussions, is there anything to prevent something like this from happening again? >> well, thats the both be...

Restriction and election subversion efforts at the state level where this is taking place. that is where the threat is. that is what needs attention. that is like trying to build a house and starting with the roof. and without a proper foundation, things are destined to crumble. and without a voting rights bill that addresses federal and state level election threats, our democracy remains vulnerable. lets bring in russell berman, hes a staff writer for the atlantic who has written extensively ab...

Vote. and the battle that ensued. and it seems to me, this is the most important thing to focus on. our democracy is at stake. im not being hyperbolic, or an iron missed, or exaggerating. the passing of these bills is critical. the suppression going on is unbelievable. the subversion of the infrastructure of -- it is hard to -- these are things that we should put a stop to. we have to address it. and thats why i thought this is something that we should be focusing on. >> i want to talk, we just ...