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denticola thinks kennedy can bring americans together and isn't worried about him taking votes from biden or trump a person like bobby kennedy who is really a messenger of unity, a message for all people i think that's why he's going to actually pull a lot of voters from both sides that's back on deal's farm. i shared desire for unity to address a deeply divided country. >> if we don't make some changes and find somebody who has creative solutions and somebody we can trust who wants to bring us together? we're gonna be on a world of hurt even rfk junior seemed to be pulling more votes away from biden or trump based on who you spoke to anderson kennedy's coalition of voters, they've really span the political spectrum polling data does indicate the largest contingent could actually be those who didn't support either candidate in 2020. a lot of his support comes from the so-called double-haters. those holding unfavorable views of both biden and trump anderson, even mechan thanks the news continues here on cnn front next the breaking news, trump's interview with a probation officer wrapping up the first first of its kind in history, we have new details about the questions he faced and how his answers could affect his sentence, as well as who was in that room. plus a secret new recording tonight is supreme court justice samuel alito. >> this is the former republican governor kristi todd whitman breaks her silence about the man that she had publicly supported an introduced to the united states senate she now. regret backing alito, and it's the hottest stock on the planet. >> a little known company forcing apple today to play catch up we have a special report. >> let's go outfront and good evening. >> i'm erin burnett, outfront tonight. the breaking news, former president trump, just wrapping up an interview with a probation officer. this is a first never in american history has a former president had to sit down with a probation officer well, because a former president has never been convicted of a crime. but here we are. this meeting was mandatory for trump as he is now a convicted felon in the state of new york. trump answering questions from his home and mar-a-lago. now, according to a source, the question answers lasted about half an hour and trump was asked we understand some of the basic questions that other convinced it did felons must answer those questions for regular felon would include questions about family background, financial status, living situation, and crucially, it chance for the defendant in this case trump to say why he thinks he deserves a lighter punishment now there is no pleading. the fifth year and the answers trump gave will influence judge juan merchan, who will formally sentence trump in july. here's the range trump is facing anywhere from probation two up to a maximum of 20 years in prison after being found guilty of all 34 counts in the new york hush money case. now, one of the most important drivers into whether which extreme this ends up on or where it ends up in that in that band is whether trump expresses remorse. and that of course is not happening trump today posting online, i truly wish people would remember that all of these trials in quotes are concocted and run by the crooked joe biden white house and doj for the purpose of election interference and damaging crooked political opponent me as much as possible. of course, it always bears noting in a moment when he says that the biden doj could have prosecuted this case and explicitly chose not to. and the white house, the white house officials privately call this case the run to the litter. but trump is going to melt this trial for all its political worth. and it comes as his top political ally today, rudy giuliani is now facing some justice of his own, charged with allegedly conspiring to overturn arizona's election. this just came out moments ago. what you're looking at on your screen is the mug shot of giuliani america's mare turned into trump's fall guy, and that is his mug shot in the state of arizona, maricopa county tonight brynn grasp begins our coverage outfront live in new york and brynn, you've got new reporting about this interview between trump and probation officer so what are you learning yeah, that's right. >> so aaron is interviewed, took place around 330 today, as you said, it lasted for about a half an hour, a bud source in new york city's who was familiar with the actual interview that took place over a virtual meeting telling are john miller that trump was described as polite, respectful, and accommodating, answering all the questions asked of him. now, we've reported that todd blanche trump's attorney was with him in mar-a-lago on that side? the virtual meeting by here in new york are understanding from this source is that the commissioner of the new york city probation department would need a homes was present. the general counsel for that department was present, as well as the probation officer that is assigned to trump's case. of course, this probation officer now will likely stick with trump and this will be the person who does the follow-ups. this are saying though that as of now, like i said, he answered all of the questions that were asked of him. and right now, there doesn't seem to be a follow-up, but of course there is always that option to should they need it. so one of my more details of how that probation interview went as we've described before, many questions could be asked of certainly about trump's background, his financial history, has he abused drugs or alcohol in the past? it's certainly not much ground covered in a 30 minutes, but of course, we're talking about a defendant like the former president here. now what happens next the defense it's her attorney, todd blanche, his team. >> they're going to submit a sentence recommendation to the judge. the probation officer, who conducted this interview is going to conduct. it's going to compile hello report. and these are just two elements that are gonna be factored into judge juan merchan's decision when he makes that sentencing done, which of course we know the days next month in july 11, aaron, are i brynn? >> thank you very much. in new york outside the courthouse, michael jacobson and our team join me here. michael, let me start with you because you are the former new york city correction and probation commissioner. so when need homes now doing that now. >> so what's your take of what happened today? >> we've been obviously probation or regular probation officer assigned to the case, but it sounds like the commissioner herself was in the room as well as the general counsel will certainly expected someone more than just a probation officer to be in that interview. i mean, it's so unusual for 1,000 reasons. most of them obvious but just the fact that it was remote. and that trump's attorney was there. those are two very odd things in enough themselves. so given all that, it certainly made sense that you would want someone other than the probation officer it certainly makes sense to me for the general counsel to be there the sort of equivalent of trump's attorney on the probation? and the commissioner runs the agencies. so i think she thought it was appropriate that she was there. >> now, i know these can often go up to 90 minutes or two. i then go longer. this went less than 30, and obviously this isn't a case where the judge needs to be reminded about the details of the defendant or anything like that as would be the case in normal situations. but what do you think they got out of it? >> well, it's just the beginning of what can be a pretty long and sometimes intrusive process. so you shouldn't take too much that it was just a a first polite interview. probation officer has wide berth here to get into, as you said alcohol and drug use. talking to pass as victims can examine trump's behavior in terms of the violation of the gag order revisit the finding that he sexually assaulted jean carroll. all that is open, fodder for a pre-sentence investigation. they wanted to sort of paint a broad picture. so this was the start of something at certainly not the end, which is important thing, right? it's not as if this is done and then we wait a month, right, terry, this is this is a part of it, but you've watched the judge so closely in that room, judge, that trump had referred to looking like an angel, but he was really the devil was the way trump put it but a judge who his demeanor was always positive, serious, he never never betrayed any sort of emotion how much weight do you think he will give this report, this interview that's the report that's going to come out of the interview that michael's talking about. i think he's going to take it very seriously, but like you said, aaron, he knows this defendant, he knows trump. >> he saw him every the day he saw trump violate the gag order ten times and he imposed the fine for that. and i think he's going to really want to see whether there is remorse and he's going to take what's been going on in las vegas, the rally, what he's saying and all of the things that he saying now really don't show remorse. and i think that is going to have an impact. i'm not saying he's going to incarcerate him, but i do think as to whether it's probation or house arrest or community service he's going to go with something that's a little more serious. so mark the way that it was described, brynn reporting, the way that trump handled himself today was that he was polite and respectful and accommodating to the probation officer. and the obviously the commissioner in the general counsel, who were also present for the new york parole commission. i'm sorry, probation commission. >> but this is the first time of foreign presidents ever been in a situation like this. >> mark, you've been in situations like this hundreds of times with clients. so does the judge already have his mind made up when you hear a accommodating, polite and respectful. does that mean anything considering what trump says about this, judge? pretty much daily i think it was a pragmatic approach that he should be respectful to probation officer interviewing him. >> i've never had general counsel show up at the hundreds that i've ever been on. i've also never had the commission shouldn't have department of corrections show up. so obviously, everyone's looking at this very, very carefully. but aaron, as we talked about last week, i do think that this judge as most judges who sat through the trial before sentencing, have most of their mind made up 90% or so. this is not going to, i think move the needle very much because everyone knows who don't trump is. everyone knows about the facts of the case, which really interesting is whether or not they took this opportunity to give a written statement or a verbal statement of his position. i'm almost surprised if he didn't just because of who he is, although i tell my clients never to give a written or verbal statement at this stage wait until you get in front of the judge all right. >> well, we'll see the mark. i want to ask you about one other thing here because it trump obviously was in this interview today means i'm rudy giuliani, right? who was at the helm of this, his efforts to overturn state election results was he had his mug shot taken america county and arizona a process in phoenix after pleading not guilty to charges of trying to overturn the election, they're just looking at this picture and he's got a blue and a white star tie on. i tried to smile, i guess. i mean, mark, what's your reaction looking at that mug shot? >> it's insulting to the process to be honest, i remember rudy when i grew up in new york and all of that good stuff, america's mayor, like you mentioned, it's just sad that we're getting to the point where on the same day from a president, maybe a future president is getting your probation interview. and the former mayor of america is getting a mug shot taken heavy, said that he knows the respective should give the process he hasn't done it recently, but he knows and you don't smile, you don't look away from the camera. you give the respect even at the process of a mug shot, to respect the process that quite honestly, he was sworn to protect for decades and it's when will you say right? >> i mean, he's mocking it by the smile. it's not, not of a state of mind, it's a mocking. >> my goal when we talk of trump allies, it's actually very relevant here in the context of the probation conversation because florida governor ron desantis, they obviously were rivals for a time. >> they were allies, then rivals. and now here we are but desantis could actually be the one who oversees whatever sentence trump gets, right? >> right. so the way this works is a little known part of probation national e coli interstate compact. and if you're sentenced in a jurisdiction, but you happen to live in another jurisdiction, which is the case here, right. sentenced in new york lives in florida most of the time through the interstate compact, the supervision of that case will be done in a jurisdiction that the person lives in. so under normal circumstances, if he was sentenced to probation, they would make a request to be transferred to florida probation. right? >> those requests are normally fulfilled. i think this one there may be a little more of a discussion then they're normally is, but that agency is, as you say controlled by the governor and floor. >> so how he really has to check in or the way he's treated that would could potentially be the decision of governor to potentially the that compact gives wide berth to the receiving agency as they're called and the general rule is that agency treats this person as they do similar people there are no services, no similar people and it's a terrorist. >> what's the process here is my mega is point out this is the first step. it's a month from tomorrow that we're actually going to get the sentencing unless it's delayed. >> so the process here is what then trump's team files for what they think the sentence should be. and there's a whole lot of back-and-forth exactly what one of the things that the probation officer will be doing. they don't just have to interview some thinking interview family members. they can talk to prior victims if there were any victims in this case, it's victimless, so to speak, but they're going to be continuing to do their investigation. the judge is doing his research by the way, he is looking at how many similar people have had these types of charges and what has been their sentence. so he's doing that. >> and meanwhile, the attorneys obviously are working on their recommendations. >> both the prosecution and the defense. all right. well, thank you all very much. next we do at breaking news on the jury, deliberating in the hunter biden trial tonight, his family turning out in force today. the prosecution warrants the jury about by this 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three charges tied to the purchase of a gun while abusing narcotics. if the jury finds them guilty of all three counts, the president's son could serve up to 25 years in prison he could also be forced to pay up to $750,000 in fines now, when you think about that, just speak declare here as father or the president, the united states has made it clear that he will not pardon his son if he's found guilty. i've impressed has been following this trial since the beginning. he's out from the courthouse and obviously you've spent nowadays in days inside that courtroom, evan so the jury has this now, what can you tell us tonight well, aaron, i was in the courtroom this afternoon as both the prosecutor fusion and the defense. >> did their closing arguments, you could see some jurors nodding off during the 90 minutes defense closing arguments abbe lowell the lawyer for hunter biden, really focused his arguments on trying to direct the attention of the jury on things that he says shows showed shortcomings in the government's case, who pointed out that because there is no direct evidence that hunter biden was using crack cocaine in october of 20 me 18 when he bought the firearm that that is reasonable doubt as to whether he knew he was lying on the form that he filled out when he bought that gun. now, in response to that, there are kinds the prosecutor said someone who holds a crackpipe to his mouth every 15 every 15 minutes knows that they're an addict. so that's really the concise nature of this case. this is a very simple case and so now that the jury has it, we anticipate this is not going to take too long. however what we know is this, once he wanted we get a verdict from this hunter biden faces up to 25 years, possibly under this law, we don't expect that as a first-time offender, if he is convicted that he would get that much. we also anticipate that the that the judge will take at least a few weeks to set a possible sentencing. again, if there is a guilty verdict, again tomorrow, the jury is back here at 9:00 a.m. and we expect that there'll be here all day tomorrow. >> alright. evan, thank you very much. i mean, we'll see when that verdict comes. and that could be tomorrow, and evan will be there in that courtroom, which was packed today and notably, a number of people in the room were related to a hunter biden, including the first lady, jill biden france over the weekend, she was back. prosecutors have been telling jurors not to be swayed by the president, the presence i'm sorry, of the president's family in the courtroom saying, quote, this is not evidence tom foreman's out front as the jury headed into deliberations, hunter biden's family was there in force his mother, his wife, and others packing the first rows of the courtroom this even after a brutal week of testimony, full of painful details of his infidelity, divorce for this drug addiction, and grief, all of which he acknowledged long ago i made mistakes in my life and wasted opportunities and privileges. >> i was afforded for that i'm responsible. >> women in his life had played a big role in court. ex-wife, kathleen buhle, testifying that she searched hunter's car before their daughters got in and found drugs or paraphernalia on approximately a dozen occasions, his former girlfriend, zoe kestan, whom he met when she was a dancer at a club, said he appeared to be smoking crack on their first evening together. his daughter naomi tearfully took the stand in her father's defense, only to be asked by prosecutors about this text to him. i'm really sorry, dad. >> i can't take this and first lady, jill biden has been in court to holding hands and the family line. >> i love hunter and i'll support him. and i in any way i can. and that's how i look at things hunters, deceased brother beau has also loomed large. >> witnesses have talked about the devastating impact of beau's death or cancer in 2015 hunter has said the grief was so intense it spurred or romantic relationship with beau's widow, hallie and that grief turned into a hope for a love that maybe you could replace what we lost. and it didn't work it didn't work. >> indeed a trial, haley said hunter introduced her to crack it was a terrible experience. she said, i'm embarrassed, i'm ashamed. i regret that period of my life through it all the unstoppable refrain, drugs, drugs drugs with segments of his own audio book played as evidence i possessed a new superpower, the ability to find crack and anytown at any time, no matter how unfamiliar the terrain, it was easy. >> and of course, president joe biden is hovering, not in person, but in spirits. his decision already made will you accept the jury's outcome, their verdict no matter what it is? >> yes. >> and have you ruled out a pardon for your son? >> yes this would be a difficult bit of testimony for any family in this country to endure. >> i am sure, but with a member of that family seeking to hold onto the white house knowing the whole nation is watching, just makes it more so. aaron, tom, thank you very much. and ryan goodman is here, so ryan just going through that, how many people were in the room when you think about it ex-wife, sister-in-law, former girlfriend his his stepmother, joe biden, all of them in that room. what does that do to the jury? >> so, i, think it can make the defendant to look like a more sympathetic character, especially because you've got this audio tape, which i think some of what they're playing, it makes him seem very creepy. and he's talking about criminal conduct in a sense. but here you have the family that's showing love and support for a person who is giving the image of being rehabilitated and so that could be sympathetic to the jury, and that's why the prosecutors maybe felt like they had to say something to try to defuse that, to say that's something separate from whether or not he's criminally guilty of the alleged right, which they're trying to say, don't look at who's in the room. it's not about the case, but is defense attorney abbe lowell as devin was referring to, said during his closing closing statement that hallie biden, who was bows wife, who at one point, as hundred talking about was hit dated hunter after beau's death, did something incredibly stupid. that's how abbe lowell put it when she threw out hunter biden's gun and your source, with the things you do for love in that instance, is that a good move with this jury? >> do you think i guess the context here is they were nodding off during his 90 minute closing all right. so i think he might need to say certain things to try to charge them up and focus back in on him. but that's especially using that kind of language against hallie biden that could come across as a sexes trope to identify her as such. and then the defendant is not somebody who's engaging in stupid but the woman someone exactly. and with that many women on the jury, it's not a good move and it's just wide wave and say something like that. they could just say, look, i don't like this. i don't like this. defense council. i don't trust him and part of his narrative that he's trying to sell me on includes that element in it and that's not persuasive. >> so again, interesting, as evan said, a few of them were nodding off during that closing. one hour of deliberations today, how soon do you think we got a verdict? >> i think we could get the verdict tomorrow and not in the way in which when if you get a very early verdict, you often think it is they're gonna be a guilty verdict. that's just having a manhattan with donald trump. i think the case is very straightforward. it's only a week's worth of testimony for both sides. and the law is very straightforward as well. so it's three charges all around the same set of facts over lemon day period i think they could come back tomorrow with guilty or acquittal or hung jury, and we surprised that president biden said he would not pardon his son. >> i don't think so. i think that he really has to the ground of that. he needs to be separate from this and that he's trying to restore faith and the justice department and in some ways, our criminal justice system. so for him to suggest anything other than that would be a mistake, right? >> right. all right. thank you very much, ryan. next, we have breaking news of massive protests breaking out tonight across one of america's major allies after the far right is pulled off, a major and historic victory could this be a warning sign for biden meet the ceo taking on apple's tim cook and winning. and what he's creating. wait till you see it changed the world this election seasons stay with cnn with more reporters on the ground. >> and the best political team in the business follow the voters follow the results follow the facts follow. >> cnn i'm getting vaccinated by sir pneumococcal pneumonia vaccine syllabi because i'm at risk for pneumococcal pneumonia i'm getting prevnar 20 because there's a chance 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today at your core.com breaking news, massive protests breaking out across france tonight in the face of major victory is by far right, politicians across europe. >> we've got new video and to cnn showing huge crowds and paris these far right winds were a shocking blow shocking to one of america's top allies, the french president emmanuel macron, suffering a stunning defeat that could see him lose its majority. the election results becoming clear as macron was actually meeting with president biden, who may face the same fate, a falling to the far right and just months. fred pleitgen is outfront is seizure all done? >> bother launch a landslide defeat for french president emmanuel macron's party in the european elections is a diesel donc swa less some blurriness, you macone immediately dissolving french parliament and calling for snap elections in france. so this is young the decision is serious, a hard one he said, but it is above all, an act of confidence, confidence in you, my fellow citizens the call came is the far-right as somone, as soon as one around twice as many votes in the election as macron's party sluggish economies in many european countries and the migration crisis similar to the southern border in the us, where the top issues for voters across europe many of the right-wing parties gaining ground, also sympathetic to russian leader vladimir putin like my thinking lappin of the asam, the mona's you now, who's been a kremlin out? for years. >> they processor. so this premier, the french have spoken and this historic election shows that when the people vote, the people, when she said in germany, chancellor olaf scholz's party also suffered a beat down coming in third behind the right-wing alternative for germany or afd, the afd with big gains even after their main candidate claimed there were decent people and hitler's buffon, ss and employed and accused a chinese spy in his office during the election campaign we had a bumpy start to the election campaign and then really caught up in the final sprint, the party chairman said after all the prophecies of dual after the barrage of the last weeks, we are the second strongest force europe's far-right, often skeptical of relations with the us. will be a strong force in europe's parliament, hungry. and one of former president donald trump's strongest allies in europe viktor orban of hungary, also an eu skeptic at a strong show i guess to sum up the results of the european parliamentary election, we can send in a telegram to brussels saying migration, stop gender, stop the war, stop soro, stop russell's stop. he said and aaron in various european countries, the centrist forces lost ground to those far-right parties and just i'll give you an idea of how dire the situation there isn't some places are here in germany, normally, the green party attracts a lot of young voters, but this time around, the greens actually lost a lot of young voters. >> and many of them went to the right alternative for germany. >> aaron, we'll questions and raising real questions here in the us, fred, thanks. thank you. and i want to go out adjacent van tatenhove. he's a former spokesman for the far-right oath keepers group, testified before the january 6 select committee, and he's also the author of the perils of extremism. how i left the oath keepers and why we should be concerned about a future civil war well, jason, i'm glad to be speaking with you again because you can put real perspective on this. >> you know, the far-right movement in the united states. >> so well how emboldened are they by what we are now seeing happened tonight across europe? >> well, i think it does play a part. i think you know, what happens here. >> ripples across the world in that happens back-and-forth those victories are going to be seen as a victory here too, that there's momentum growing and i think we need to take it as kind of a dire warning as to where we really are right now, even with a front runner that is just been found guilty of so many charges it just doesn't seem to matter. >> there's certainly momentum growing you see it as a dire warning. i mean, we have seen jayson to your point a disturbing rise in rhetoric, violent rhetoric and threats since trump was convicted, axios reported another far-right group, the proud boys, wrote in a website hope these jurors face some street justice and don't be surprised, you know, this was going to happen stand back and standby. >> this is far from over. we promise. so stand back and stand by. of course, the words that trump himself had used in 2020. and someone told the pro-trump right-side broadcasting network, which is something many may not have heard of who watch this program, but it's out there and at a trump rally over the weekend, they said this we're in a, third world nation now. so yeah, i would expect it at some point that like it'll break out into violence. i mean, at this point there yet they're using the courts against their opponents we've seen that before, so we know what's next yeah we're a third world nation now, and i would expect it'll break out into violence what are the threats and the talk of violence that you are seeing and hearing right now that were you most you know, really what worries me most is where it's coming from and my thought process. >> that's from trump this really seems to have evolved past what i would call stochastic terrorism, where you have a message that goes out. it seems to be passing a threshold where i think really he's just putting out this messaging and if you look at the emails that have been going out last week or so, the rhetoric is getting more extreme it's according that line of direct violent action more and more and unfortunately that audience, there, members of that audience consuming those messages that may take action that looked to be preparing to take action and that's a very concerning to me. >> when you say looked to be preparing to take action, do you really believe that there is sort of i don't know how organized you would describe it as, but that there really are those preparations that stand back and stand, stand back and stand by i think we would be foolish not to take them at their word i think that absolutely there we saw kind of an evolution of tactics after january 6 and during the prosecution's that happened with the people involved where it kinda it moved away from these, these big national groups and big national events to hyperlocal going after the drag storytelling hours and such. >> but now i think we're seeing a shift again where we're going back and there is a reorganization happening and i think we're going to see more coming from that national, those national groups that they are definitely ready to reappear. >> i will jason, i appreciate your time sobering warning. as you say, a dire warning that you're putting out are but thank you. >> next, a secret new recording of justice samuel alito, plus i'm going to speak to the former 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living together, please it's different because there are differences. one fundamental things that really it's not like what the difference this comes as a leader was embroiled in controversy after the new york times reported that an upside down american flag flew outside his home in northern virginia in january 2021. >> it was, of course, a standard flat a standard bearer of january 6 protesters, as well as the second flag, one carried by the insurrectionist on january 6, it flew outside his vacation homes. so two different flags, both used on that day, out front now for republican governor of new jersey, christine todd whitman, who introduced alito at his confirmation hearing back in 2006. recommended him to the senate judiciary committee. so governor whitman, i really appreciate your time and obviously it's been a long time, nearly 20 years since you did that and you publicly vouched for alito you spoke out for him? and now time has passed and you see him things he has done. you see his defiance admits this flag controversy. >> does this make you see him differently or regret your support? absolutely. without question i mean, i was willing to support him because i looked back at his record and when i was appointing justices particularly the supreme court or any of the judge's. what i look for is how many times said they've been overturned? did they write clear opinions and were they able to judge cases based on the facts presented to them in that case. and i actually saw a case that judge alito had actually had decided in favor of a plaintiff. it was clearly against what his personal convictions were relative to the matter of choice send abortion. and so my feeling was okay, he's shown that he will put aside his personal convictions to judge and decide a case based on the facts presented in that case unfortunately, since he's gone to the supreme court, that's just seemed to have gone by the wayside. >> yeah. i mean, obviously i wrote that wrote that opinion in roe v. >> wade in the letter to congress about the flag, alito said his wife flew the upside down flag because she was greatly distressed. those were his words by disputes with a neighbor and explaining his wife's motivation to fly the flag. he wrote, quote, house on the street displayed a sign attacking her personally a man who was living in the house at the time trailed her all the way down the street and buried her in my presence using foul language, including what i regard as the violet epithet that can be addressed to a woman. now, i spoke to emily baden. she was the neighbor and the dispute she put up the sign alito refers to which he said didn't refer to mrs. alito at all her husband are now husband is demand and alito mentioned in the statement, but she by the way, was the one who used the epithet in alito's presence. it was not her husband, as he said, but i want to play for you, governor, specifically, something crucial. she told me about alitos claim about the flag i just want to emphasize that the interaction that happened on february 15th is the one that they're using as an excuse for why they flew the flag. and i really want to hammer home the fact that that happened on february 15, and their flag went up two or three weeks before that, at best, he's mistaken, but at worst he's just outright lying the flag was flying before the altercation that alito says was the reason that the flag was put up, right? >> that's what she lays out very clearly. he wrote his version of things, governor in a letter to congress you're not allowed to lie to congress or they're serious penalties to that should he address this contradiction? >> well, first of all, it gets very tired and you see these guys pulling their wives. i mean, khan really it besides it is disrespectful of the united states of america. that's america slag it's not if you have a controversy with your neighbor, you deal with it with your neighbor, call the police if you want, use the courts, he should know about that. but you don't fly the american flag upside down. and as you mentioned before, it's a very clear signal two people who were part of the insurrection, and then how does he explain the other flag at their, at their other home? i mean, is his wife just doing that without his knowing and without his caring. when you assume a role like such as the supreme court justice you have a certain standard. you set a message, you set a standard for the entire court. the court comes under scrutiny when this kind of thing happens as it has already anyway, for a couple of other issues and they're having and the lack of it seems standards while his wife, isabel, quite for my wife is fond of flying flags i am not. my wife was solely responsible yeah. >> you find that jarring really? yeah. come on. man up at least. and if your wife did it, you should have seen it when you walked in the door and said, that's got to come down and then make an apology. say that was all a mistake. but say she put it up upside down by mistake for pete's sakes, but you don't you don't ignore it. let it hang and let the other one fly as well. you deal with them immediately. you're held to a different level of it. this is just a basic thing. i don't care whether it's a supreme court justice or not. that is so disrespectful to the, to the american flag. >> i mean, he won't rigueur some january 6 related cases he did write an opinion in 2021, actually, for the supreme court about a flag outside boston city hall. >> and in it he said that anybody who is looking at it would conclude that all of those flags convey some message on the government's behalf. he wrote that he was saying, if you fly a flag outside the boston city hall, people are assumed that's the view of the boston city hall government. >> but yet when it comes to himself, he says, it's my wife's fall it is their real hypocrisy. >> there is one statement oh, absolutely. >> i think it's very clear the unfortunate thing is, no one seems to really care and it doesn't appear is if the chief justice is going to do anything about it i mean, they've adopted supposedly standards of content of conduct, but they're going to be judging themselves and somebody inside they're gonna be looking at each other to say what's appropriate and clarence thomas is a whole another issue. so the court right now is not in the best odor, shall we say with the american people and the real tragedy here is that when the american people lose faith and the justice system, we're going to really dangerous place. and we shouldn't, we shouldn't be here. it's not a good place to be. we have to have faith in our justices we have to assume that they are going to judge cases based on those facts before them in that case. and to have this kind of thing going on on the outside is undermining and demeaning to the court itself. >> all right. well, governor whitman, i appreciate your time and thank you my pleasure next it started with three friends in a denny's 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with us. this is a time when the peace process is going through a crucial point absolutely. i mean, we've been hearing from the us was on time now calling for more pressure to be put by their key regional allies on hamas to agree to a ceasefire proposal. >> we heard from hamas yesterday. welcoming, be you when resolution put forward by the united states. but of course, blinken has also been meeting with key figures in israel as all we know he met with benny gantz, who of course, step down from the war cabinet we've heard from benny gantz since saying that he wants to see maximum pressure being applied at all parties to come to some sort of ceasefire agreement. >> but of course we're hearing a lot of mixed messages as well while the united states continues to reiterate that this is an israeli proposal that they believe israel will back this deal. >> we heard yesterday from israel's representative to the united nations, so that is what he has to say to the cameras. >> i just met with the families of the american okay so that's a shame, but we're going to try and get that back. >> he's obviously says he's meeting the families of american hostages. i think that's where he was going. yeah. i mean, getting the hostages out continues to be a key priority for the united states. a key ally of israel that continues to be a key priority. of course, for the israeli government, the israeli prime minister, what we heard yesterday from israel's representative to the united nations is that israel does not want to engage in what they described as meaningless discussions and negotiations with hamas that they will continue with their objective, not only to get all the hostages out from captivity in gaza, but also to completely diminished downgrade hamas to the point where gaza no longer poses a threat going to israel to the state of israel. now of course, that sends somewhat of a mixed message given the fact that biden has presented this peace deal as one that is, and it's really deal that has the backing of the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. and we've heard from the biden administration saying that the us assessment at this stage is that they believe hamas has been downgraded the point where they are no longer able to carry out an attack, such as the attack that we saw on october 7. and of course, this is a three-phase deal which does set out the parameters very peaceful exchange of all the hostages currently held captive by hamas in gaza in exchange for palestinian prisoners. so those parameters are set out in the deal. it is a deal that we've heard from hamas now saying that they welcome that they are willing and ready to work with mediators and negotiators to secure this peace agreement. and of course, what we've inherited from the us for some time now is that the ball is firmly in hamas's cool, but we've also heard from the state department saying that they believe this is a deal which is almost identical to a deal that hamas agree two weeks ago. so the hope is that mediators and the middle east who have been working closely with hamas will be able to secure a firm agreement from hamas whether or not israel agrees to this, that remains to be seen. this is being presented as an israeli deal, but of course prime minister netanyahu is facing mounting pressure from right-wing elements of his coalition who do not want to see this deal approved. they want to see a continuation of the war. >> okay. i will have more on that. and the security council decision last night. but let john thank you. that. but now to two stories dominating the law and justice landscape us the historic meeting between the former president and his probation officers and the child of the current president's son, jury deliberations will resume today in delaware, where hunter biden faces up to 25 years in prison if he's convicted of gun charges, he's pleaded not guilty for the first time ever. former us president has met with his probation officers ahead of sentencing for is 34 felony convictions. the source tells cnn trump's virtual interview was routine and uneventful. another said the former president was polite, respectful, and answered all questions cnn's a brynn gingras, as the details the former president finishing his meeting with a probation officer were told from a source that it lasted about 30 minutes and his camp calling it uneventful now it's notch clear exactly what sort of questions were asked in this meeting, but what is customary is the fact that this always happens after a defendant has either pleaded guilty or is convicted of the crime. >> that they're charged with. we know some of the questions that are asked are about the criminal history of that person, the family background, their financial background, did they ever abuse alcohol? for drugs, things like this? >> what's also not customary in this situation? >> of course, the fact that there is a former president as the person who is being interviewed by the probation office, but also they happen virtually. we know that the former president at mar-a-lago, he was there with his attorney. that was allowed by the judge in this case. now, what's going to happen next is that trump's defense team is going to submit their own sentencing recommendation and both that along with this report made by the probation officer, will be factored in to judge juan, were sean's decision about what sentence trump should face for being convicted on those 34 counts. just a few weeks ago. so we're waiting. of course for that. happened the sentencing date still said or july 11, brynn gingras, cnn, new york. >> the judge in trump's classified documents case refusing to dismiss a number of charges against the former president and his two co-defendants, judge aileen cannon did agree that some of the language in the indictment was legally unnecessary and should be removed trump is accused of keeping classified documents. so this florida resort, after he left the white house, he has claimed at various points that he didn't have the documents. he declassified the documents just by thinking about it. and that he had the right to keep the documents. the delaware courtroom, where hunter biden's federal gun trial. meanwhile, is being held, was packed with supporters of the president's son on monday. both sides presented closing arguments during the historic case, making their final appeals to the jurors cnn's paula reid has the highlights from day six of the trial in a major show of support, hunter's family members and pastor taking up three rows in court today have known the family you don't abandon your friends and family tough time. >> in closing arguments, prosecutors pointed to the gallery of supporters and said, those people are not evidence and reminded the jury that, quote, no one is above the law, the prosecution directly address the most difficult element they have to prove that hunter biden knowingly lied on a federal background check form when purchasing the gun at the center of this case, the defendant knew he used crack and was addicted to crack at the relevant time period adding that hunter would have been aware from his time in rehab that he had a problem with drugs maybe if he had never gone to rehab, he could argue he didn't know. he was an addict at the end of his closing, prosecutor, leo wise circled back to testimony from hunters daughter, naomi, on friday, when she told the jury that when she returned or fathers card him on october 19, 2018, she did not see any evidence of drugs, but why is reminded the jury hunter's former girlfriend, hallie biden, his brother, beau biden's widow, had testified that when she found the gun in the same car days later, she found it alongside drug paraphernalia defense attorney abbe lowell countered, warning jurors not to convict his client in properly adding it's time to end this case. he compared the trial to a magician's trick trying to dupe the jury, saying, watch this hand, pay no attention to the other one he accused prosecutors of cherry picking thinking evidence to present a more timeline of hunter's drug use and said his client was not lying when he marked down that he was not an addict on that federal form. lowell attack, two of hunter's former girlfriends who both served as prosecution witnesses in this case. >> he noted zoe kestan took pictures of hunter with drugs, but not in the key month of october 2018, he also reminded the jury that hallie biden could not remember specific details about when she found the gun in hunter's car and noted hunter was the one who told hallie to file a police report for the missing after she threw it out. >> hunter did not take the stand to testify in his own defense in this case, a move that would have come with potential rewards and definite risks the jury will return to court at 9:00 a.m. on tuesday to continue deliberations now is in court monday morning as the jury heard instructions from the judge, she went through line by line explaining the rules that they have to follow as they undertake this historic decision. paula reid, cnn, wilmington, delaware, joining from new york criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor pinata, via luna. thank you so so much for joining us. why is it historic this case? because it isn't the president? >> it's still even though it's not the precedent, we're talking about, the president's son eighth, sit president son that's on trial, right now. i just to think that because it's a federal case, max biden, president biden, if hunter biden work to be convicted, he asked her ability to pardon him already said that he's not willing to part is his own son. he wants to make sure that people trust in our criminal justice system and that there's no favorites is but it's a historic moment in the sense that we are dealing with a sit-in president's son is on trial on felony charges and could possibly face jail which way do you think the jury appears to be going based on their responses to the judge so it depends. >> there haven't been any jury nodes, but it depends on are you judging this case based on sympathy? if you're not judging the case on sympathy and just on plain facts, and if we weren't dealing going with the son of a sitting president, doesn't the prosecution has proven this case beyond a reasonable doubt, not directly, but circumstantially with the testimony of hallie biden, with the testimony of the cocaine residue, haven't been recovered with testimony having to deal with biden's own words in his memory that he is a crack addict, was a crack addict at the time dealing with the text messages, those stories, dealing with a witness testimony, i think in its totality that the prosecution, the government has proven that hunter biden, it's guilty of being in possession of this firearm, haven't been under the influence. i'm not a codex and also lying on that formula to update that by r. >> so what sort of sentence would you get from those parts of the trial so if hunter biden were to be convicted, he can face anywhere up to 25 years if he's convicted on all three of the couch highly own likely that he will see anything near 25 years. >> the judge has sentencing guidelines where it's recommended what is possible sentence good. because hunter biden doesn't have a criminal record because hunter biden, at this point now he said he has been cleaned because hunter biden also was dealing with a dependency on narcotic dependency, who's quite honestly it drug addiction that's been put on entre i think he can face anywhere from probation up until maybe a year or two years years in jail. my recommendation quite honestly is that this case does not is not deserving of any jail sentence. if anything, we're dealing with a drug program that hunter biden should go through quite nicely. i think this prosecution shouldn't have gone forward initially remained as a deferred prosecution disposition how might the president be implicated as part of this trial were not at all. >> i mean, he hasn't been mentioned in this trial aside from being a father of hunter biden, here we're dealing with a drug addiction. we know that unfortunately, hunter biden was going through some dark times and even admitted it. that's why he wrote that book. but to try to get others to get some insight as to what it is to go through a drug addiction. but there's no mention of president biting in this case. we know outside of the courtroom there has been mentioned having to deal with that laptop, but inside of the courtroom, he's not playing oh, role. it's not supposed to be playing a role and to deliberations and has nothing to do with the charges itself you'll see in america a, your a legal expert, but you also in america aware of the trump cases as well is there a way that donald trump can use this case against president biden campaign oh, absolutely. he's already using it and he's used it in a past. i've been to deal with wears hunter biden especially doing his first time when he was running for president, actually a second time when he was running for president to try to take the is a away from what his insufficiencies are. instead focusing on president biden is saying that look, his son is on drugs, his son was participating and illegal activity that his son had some shady dealings with people well outside of america so of course to his people, that is what he's arguing. but of course, when you look at it and the eyes and the legal eyes, there's nothing having to deal with president biden and hunter biden, any illegality that's they're having to stem from these charges okay. >> pinata villa in new york, as ever. thank you so much for joining us now, spokesperson for giuliani predicts the former trump attorney. i will be fully vindicated. officials in arizona released his mug shot on monday or two, he posted a $10,000 cash bond giuliani and ten others have pleaded not guilty to charges of conspiring to overturn the 2020 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park public holiday in china to place on monday involving these for educators from iowa's cornell college wounded in the stabbing incident while in jilin city. that's in the northeastern china. and china's foreign ministry in the lab that's our has weighed in. it says that the four americans are quote, received proper treatment and are in stable condition. now, we have video of the aftermath of this stabbing. it's bring it up for you and in this video, which was widely circulating on chinese social media, but taken down, you see three people wounded. they're lying on the ground in they can part in jilin city. we have blurred the video because of its graphic nature, but these individuals are covered in blood. they're there waiting for first responders the wounded individual in front is pressing his hand on the back of his waist and the three are conscious. they are awake, they're using their smartphones to try to reach out, get help and to reach others. now, the brother of one of the wounded americans, we have this photograph. his name is david zab nar, the brothers says that the visa abner is doing well now, the condition of the other three individuals at this moment not known, but according to china's ministry of foreign affairs, they say that they are in stable condition now, the ministry of foreign affairs also cited police saying that the stabbing was in isolated incident and investigations are ongoing. now, the president of cornell university, excuse me, cornell college, the four are in china because they're therefore a partnership with beizhan university and jonathan brand sent a statement to cnn. we have part of that statement for you. he said this quote, we have been in contact with all four instructors and are assisting them during this time, unquote, a brand says that they were with a patient faculty member when the stabbing took place and that there were no students taking part in the program. now, the us state department says, it's aware of reports of this incident and it's monitoring the situation. now, the stabbing has been trending high on chinese social media this day with a number of posts getting censored and some netizens have been calling it a terrible incident with some saying this, it's bring up some examples for you, quote, this current in state, a public security is not supposed to let such a thing happen. it will definitely further hinder foreigners from visiting china unquote. now, china, especially compared to the west, has low rates of violent crime, public attacks against foreigners are rare. this incident comes as xi jinping is trying to boost person to person exchanges, get more us students just to come to try to but this is going to have a chilling effect. one more point that we heard from ministry of foreign affairs spokesperson insisting that china is quote, when the safest countries in the world back to you, max kristie. thank you. ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy is in berlin to attend the crane recovery conference. mr. zelensky says the top priority for the conference will be ukraine's battered energy sector ukrainians have dealt with widespread blackouts for more than two years because russian forces have relentlessly targeted ukrainian power stations with airstrikes. but on the eve of the conference, the head of ukraine's agency for restoration and infrastructure development announce his stepping down. claire sebastian joins us now because this exposes some internal tensions. >> yeah. and look, it's not the headline that's key. once going into this conference where he's hoping to convince allies and foreign corporations to pay more to find ukraine's reconstructions. so this is most often am he is the head of the agency for restoration, infrastructure, development, and he is saying that the reason he's stepping down is because he feels he was unable to do his job because of all the roadblocks that were put up in front of him by the government. you could talks about bureaucratic nightmares, constant opposition, and resistance, which he says that the delays in getting projects off the ground which undermined ukraine's defense. so some pretty allegations. he also says he was prevented from attending this reconstruction conference this week, which may of course have been the last straw. no response officially from the government on this, but this is just a month after the minister for infrastructure was actually dismissed from his post. so ukraine will likely face some questions on this way. these two key reconstruction officials are not at this conference when as we know, questions of accountability of management of aid have been crucial all along. but because zelenskyy, who is already in berlin, he's met with the german president. we've seen him now with chancellor olaf scholtz. this will be about the big picture convincing allies that they need not only money for reconstruction, but more immediately for things like air defenses. and of course repairing that electricity grid, which probably couldn't come at a more difficult time because we just have those european elections and chancellor scholtz, like other leaders in france and italy, for example, i've got a very clear message that many voters aren't happy with the amount of money going into ukraine. yeah, i look, i think that's part of what came out as we saw the far-right do so well in these european elections, particularly in these key countries, like germany and france, is that there is a political reality of donor fatigue, right? and there are people who are now looking at the amount of money that they're having to spend on their daily lives. the result of inflation and all of that. and translating that into opposition towards aid for ukraine. so that is something that lenski we'll have to face. this is the third annual reconstruction conference, but the first one to happen in an eu country. so he will be hoping to really put that message across that ukraine is able 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assistance conference in jordan in israel. blinken met with prime minister benjamin netanyahu and discuss the urgency in reaching a ceasefire agreement with hamas now to a renewed push for that ceasefire in gaza as the united nations holds a key vote on a plan to end the fighting between israel and hamas. un security council on monday, adopted a us drafted resolution which endorses a proposal for a permanent ceasefire and the release of the hostages held by hamas because elution calls on both parties to implement the terms, quote without delay and without condition. hamas said it welcomed the resolution and is ready to engage with mediators. but whether israel and hamas will move forward remains unclear. >> colleagues today, this council sent a clear message to hamas accept the ceasefire deal on the table, israeli israel has already agreed to this deal and the fighting could stop today. if hamas would do the same we all learning more about that israeli military operation that rescued four hostages held in gaza. as new video gives us a sense of what that raid looked like on the ground. cnn's kylie atwood has more this is the view from the helmets of the israel defense forces. >> they unleashed heavy gunfire, searching for israeli hostages held by hamas a during daytime raid that freed four of those kidnapped by hamas on october 7 and held captive ever since. it was an operation that took weeks to plan after receiving intelligence that the hostages were being held hold an apartment buildings inside the nuseirat camp in central gaza on the way out from gaza. all forces rescued our hostages israeli forces have been preparing for this rescue mission for weeks and is rarely air force pilot involved in the mission told the jerusalem post, that is one of the hostages, noa argamani got into his helicopter, has units, quote, mantle of composure melted away the magnitude of the moment struck then he quote immediately reported that the diamond is with us and in good health, some of the special forces were disguised as displaced palestinians and members of hamas military wing, eye eyewitnesses told cnn there were also reports of large gunfire after the hostages were rescued at least 274 palestinians were killed in the operation and hundreds injured. >> that's according to the gazan authorities who do not distinguish between civilian and military casualties the israel defense forces dispute that number, saying the death toll was under one 100. >> i want to say thank you. thank god. >> in israel, the families of the hostages express their overwhelming joy and having their loved ones returned safely after eight months in captivity. >> i haven't stopped smiling since my mug was returning to me now is work continues for a ceasefire and hostage deal with 120 hostages still held by hamas there are some theories at this rate, could be a setback it's a legitimate question. >> i it's hard for me to put myself in the mindset of a hamas terrorists. we don't know exactly what it is that they're going to do as secretary of state, antony blinken travels to the middle east to continue ratcheting up pressure on hamas to take the deal. he also isn't sure what hamas will do. >> i can't put myself none of us can put ourselves suppose on the minds of hamas or its leaders. so we don't know what the answer will be. >> but wall in egypt, blinken also said that his egyptian counterparts had been in touch with hamas quite recently. >> i can't go into the details of our conversations today except to say that artists in counterparts were in communication with hamas as early, as recently as a few hours ago now, during his meeting with prime minister benjamin netanyahu today, secretary of state antony blinken, ria there are rated that the united states and other world leaders stand by that comprehensive proposal that president biden laid out ten days ago, and they say that israel has put on the table people for hamas to accept. >> but so long as this period of uncertainty is extended, as us and other countries are waiting for hamas to respond to that proposal. the united states is concerned about the possibility of netanyahu changing his mind and deciding to reject that proposal, even though he signed off on it before it initially finally went to hamas joining me, not is back with more and what blinken was saying in the last few minutes. we know that blinken has been holding intensive discussions with his counterparts in the middle east, including of course, in israel with regards to this ongoing ceasefire negotiation. but he also spoke about, of course american families of hostages held captive by hamas in gaza saying that they were hopeful, of course, given the rescue of four hostages. over the course of what was unfortunately a deadly raid in gaza over the weekend, take a listen. 20th i just met with the families of the american hostages in gaza have the option to meet with him many times now on every trip here, the region when they visited but in washington and as always, it's an incredibly powerful thing. it's hard for any of us to put ourselves in there shoes to feel what they've been feeling these many, many long months they were elated at the the rescue of four hostages just a couple of days ago but they continue to feel deeply power roughly this enduring separation from their loved ones men and women civilian and soldier a lot i've and deceased. >> but for me all of the ha students, but especially are eight american family let's who have loved ones in gaza we are determined to bring them home the proposal that president biden put forward is the best way to do that with regards to that peace proposal put forward by the united states, we also heard from lincoln just then going on to say, that he had met with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, that he had reaffirmed his support for this peace proposal, which the united states has framed as and israeli proposal. >> we haven't yet heard a direct and public show of support from the israeli government for this peace proposal. in fact, yesterday, we have been hearing some mixed messages at the un security council. we heard from israel's representative to the un saying that israel would not engage in meaningless, endless negotiations with hamas, the objectives the israeli government and military remain the same that they want to see the full destruction of hamas and the full return of all hostages held captive in gaza of course, in this three-phase peace proposal laid out by the united states at the un security council there on the parameters, the provisions for the full release of israeli hostages held captive by hamas it's in gaza. in exchange of palestinian prisoners, but it also calls for the full withdrawal of israeli troops from gaza for the return of palestinian civilians to all parts of the gaza strip. and of course, what hamas wants to see ensured in this ceasefire agreement is the territorial integrity of the gaza strip. and of course, no demographic shifts crucially within the gaza strip. now, what we have heard so far from hamas is a statement yesterday of the back of that resolution vote saying that they welcome the deal. as you mentioned, they want to carry on with discussions with mediators that they are open to those ongoing discussions remains to be seen whether they issue a full and firm agreement to this deal. but we also haven't seen that fall and firm agreement by the israeli government, the us continues to reiterate that they believe that the israeli government will back this deal. but of course we've been hearing at different messages from those far-right elements of prime minister netanyahu's coalition, who do not want to see this deal being signed thank you before she's in malawi are searching for missing military aircraft which was carrying the country's vice president in line. other people the plane left malawi's capital shortly after 9:00 a.m. local time monday. but never arrived. at its destination and authorities have failed to make contacts in as larry madowo following this from nairobi and apparently whether may be a factor here, larry that is the big thing here are those bad weather yesterday, according to president lazarus, to quadra. >> and that continues today. we now know that the search and rescue operation has entered de two. it's an air and ground operation. in the last hour, the malawi defense force has given an update on what's going on. they say their search and rescue is getting hampered by this uninhabited area where believed they believe this plane could have crashed. it's a rough and thick to rein in the chikunga forest they're also saying that this morning they had again bad weather conditions. the arrows foggy access has been difficult, but they have 200 soldiers actively searching for this plane carrying malawi's vice president and nine others. they also have the malawi police civil aviation authorities, and some forestry service officers. all 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level of gun violence going back to pre-pandemic levels now this month marks two years since roe versus wade was overturned changing the landscape of abortion access in the us, it also affected access to miscarriage care in states with abortion bans such as texas, so many lower-cost clinics they've closed down sin as material speaks with a mother who suffered a miscarriage but struggled to find affordable options for care due to the strict abortion laws in texas two years ago, you were able to get into this yeah now, i can't believe it's closed marlena stele came to this abortion clinic and houston in the fall of 2021 after a miscarriage at 9.5 weeks pregnant, she needed a d&c a procedure to remove pregnancy tissue. the same procedure used for surgical abortions, but because texas had just passed a law banning most abortions after six weeks, she said doctors refused to provide the procedure at her hospital possibly fearing being sued. a story she shared two years ago with cnn, i get so angry that i was treated this way. >> again 123 in may of this year, still lost another pregnancy we were having a boy oh, so it's a little fuzzy outfit. >> so that's what hurt even more because that's what we wanted dr. say, texas law is clear that dnc procedures are legal in cases like steles. >> and she hoped to have one to treat this miscarriage. but as she hadn't planned get pregnant again, she didn't have insurance that covered it like i wanted to have that dan see, i didn't want to have to go through it at home knowing that it was gonna be horrifying, you thought that you'd be able to schedule this at your local hospital up the road? then you checked the estimate they sent you? yes. i was shocked at how high it was. it's to be exact $14,368. and that's it with a discount. if i pay out of pocket and that's when it hit me like a break like okay, this isn't happening for me here so your doctor then said, look at a clinic. yeah. she said she actually said go to planned parenthood. 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staying, sir the georgia congressional candidate who just walked off the stage in the middle of a debate all right 6:00 a.m. here in washington alive. >> look at the us capitol on this tuesday morning good morning, everyone and kasie hunt. it's wonderful to have you with us samuel alito's private beliefs apparently exposed in a secretly recorded audio tape, the conservative supreme court justice seeming to endorse a fight to return our country to a place of godliness and quote it was a liberal activist and filmmaker who secretly recorded the justice and his wife at a supreme court historical society dinner earlier this month people in this country, we're leaving that, keep fighting to return our country to a place the bottling names. >> i agree with important to underscore during that dinner, the activists misrepresented herself. she claimed to be a religious conservative the executive director of the supreme court historical society issued this statement on monday saying, quote, we condemn any sort surreptitious recordings of justice's at the event which is inconsistent with the entire spirit of the evening. attendees are advised that discussion of current cases, cases decided by current sitting justices or justices, jurors, pure prudence is strictly prohibited and may result in forfeiture of membership in the society earlier. in the conversation, the activist told alito that she didn't think that the right could negotiate with the left. >> here was his response one. >> side or the, other. >> there can be a way of working, our way of living together it's different because they're differences fundamental things that really can't comment so it's not like you're going to see what the difference a little hard to hear their finals here. >> molly ball, senior political correspondent at the wall street journal, meghan hayes, former special assistant to president biden, and matt gorman, the former senior adviser to the tim scott presidential campaign. welcome to all of you molly ball. >> this of course, i think underscores the pressure that alito is at the moment in our highly charged political environment where the justices are about to decide whether or not donald trump is immune in the january 6 case clearly, he's in a situation where he is responding in the affirmative to someone he is encountering at a party and yet the remarks are still illuminating in terms of how he thinks about things. yeah. i mean, i think as you said on the one hand, we've all done the thing where someone approaches you that you don't know and you just kinda play along. you just sort of say you're agreeing with whatever it is that they're saying. i'm either end it's no surprise to anyone that he's a conservative right, and that he does view, society as, as somewhat corrupted by a lack of godliness or i wouldn't be surprised to hear him say any of those things in a judicial opinion for example. so it's all pretty broadly consistent with the judicial philosophy and the political philosophy that we know that he subscribes to. i think also the fact that the recording is coming out tells you that increasingly the supreme court is being treated as another political branch of government. the people are sending trackers after them basically like they would with a political candidate monitoring their every utterance and looking through it for potentially damaging or politically useful bits of audio that, that can be used against them in what's essentially become a full-time political campaign. and that i think as we and others have reported, has contributed to a very high level of tension and division on the court itself has made it increasingly difficult to function. >> yeah, it's it's speaking of division on the court itself. >> i mean in this highly fraught moment that we find ourselves in as a country where there does seem to be this kind of looming question about violence. certainly we have had more violence in our politics in recent years than we had seen in another monitor campaigns with what happened on january 6, john roberts was also approached by this activist and he approached this very differently and it underscores a little bit of tension on the court as molly was just touching on. again, john roberts, appointed by george w bush. he is the chief justice. he is also a conservative but has carved out a much different kind of role for him self on the court. so when he was approached by this activist and some of these same themes of godliness. the question i believe was is the us a christian nation? >> here's how john roberts responded since i put here a little 20 years, i've been quieter times but the idea that the court is in the middle of a lot of tumultuous stuff going on. that's nothing new. >> the civil war, we did that very vietnam. you people getting killed and i was there. >> this is all right. i mean, it's it's not all right. but it's not like it's dramatic medically different people that's a common thing. people, their own perspective like this is so slow ordinary i don't know. >> heed the christian nation question. robert's actually responded that he has jewish friends, muslim friends who might disagree with that. he went on to talk about it a little bit, but megan haze, there. he was saying he was talking about other cataclysmic periods in our history, the civil war vietnam basically saying that we're going to be all right in the end. what is your view of all of this? and the way it's an unfolded, but particularly this difference between alito roberts here. yeah. i mean, i do think that we're gonna be all right. our democracy is built to survive and hopefully it will survive regardless of who wins the election in november. but i do think that there is a difference here, and i think that there was a difference. if you listen to alito's wife and how she responds and her reaction system of the questions that she got are also extremely stark. and so just just goes to show how these justices are thinking and how that they are forming their opinions. and it is, it is quite different and it is jarring when you hear their responses. >> let's listen to a little bit of what martha alito also who was approached by the same activist again, here's a little bit of what she had to say you know what i want i want sacred heart of jesus flag because i had to look cross the lagoon at the pride flag for the next month. >> exactly and he's like, oh, please don't put several my heritage come after me away. it doesn't have to be away. >> debris don't worry about it okay. >> she also said that justice alito doesn't control her at one point. but you don't seem to admit their that he did ask her not to put up a flag in this case. >> definitely go we put the flag up let me look at this whole thing. i saw on twitter the person lauren windsor put up, that this is gonna be a big undercover storage tweeted out, tease that out. before it came out. and then when it came out like this, this is what this is. i mean, this was the same person that was the one reported by the intercept who sent the kind of democratic activists to charlottesville, dresses neo-nazi would tiki torches to kind of stand outside the glenn youngkin's yvette. but with the lincoln project. so i'm not getting i'm not surprised by this, but i will say that i think a lot of what molly said his right. it's also just his religious philosophy makes no bones that he's a devout christian now, i was at church over the weekend and a lot of those same themes. it's country but more about the world gold and sin and godliness. those same themes or what kinda prevalent. church, i'm really not surprised. >> i mean, i think that the piece of it that i really i got caught on was where he seems to go on and say that there may not be a way to resolve these differences ever, which i suppose is part of what you're saying. >> i mean, it's it's again, i think we stepped back from the politics of it. i think the way the christians look at it is sin and whatever faith i'm not putting it very eloquently. the priesthood better job in his homily over the weekend. >> but but no, i think that is more of the way that he was talking about it for me again, he's devout christian. >> i don't really see what the the big thing is, megan, but these people, i just think our supreme court justices sort of need to rise above this. and i agree with molly that like we've all been in a situation where you just like nod and say, but he went further and then when his wife's comments, it just shows that like they're they're not viewing themselves as above and making laws for our country. >> it was his faith like it was not, it was not about politics. they're talking to say, it also she was goading him. she would want to introduce scholarliness into it. she was the one that he's just agreeing. >> yeah, i agree. like it's these ideas weren't germinated on their own. she was leading him. >> i don't agree with what she did. i think it's terrible and i think both sides do it and i think it's awful. i don't think we'd be putting a lot more women pre haven't talked about project verisign's 09 and rightfully so i'm fine, but the amount of media saturation i didn't read the new york times is covering this now it's ridiculous. who would never do this. it was james o'keefe and practice, but that's not true. but i just think we owe nine we haven't done a sense so charade with acorn, that was the last time we actually my diary. i think we all project or testis sorry, because very, very different when there was a negative garrett ziegler who is sitting in court that clearly act when there was a new york times article on straight reporting, what was it ashley biden's journal. i don't remember it. >> like there was with this. >> i will be honest in this particular question, but i do think the big picture here. i mean, i think you guys are actually both an agreement what people should do is not correct this you know, i just i think molly to the big picture point this really underscores even farther just the significance of the moment that we are facing as a country, the role of the supreme court in our politics. >> it's been historically viewed as an institution that's supposed to be above all this i think those of us who cover this realize it's been political for awhile, but now the country is really starting to see that. >> all right, coming up next, donald trump meets with probation officers while his campaign asks potential vp candidates if they ever committed a crime. >> plus the dog days arriving early, millions of americans facing sweltering heat in this this is where i get back in my trunk and head make the southwest georgia. >> the congressional candidate who walked off the stage and went home in the middle of a debate hey, guys, i got spoken about got it right up do, we, have one to leave works all day? >> so i can keep working to take just one 12 hours of uninterrupted pain-related i'll leave you do you take 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the virtual interview and was described as polite, respectful, and accommodating to the probation officers. >> that's according to a new york city official familiar with the interview, trump even told the officers to be safe at the end of the session his approach might have something to do with the fact that his demeanor and cooperation could influence the judge's decision on sentencing de the hearing comes as his campaign moves forward with a more shall we say traditional process of selecting a vice presidential running mate? >> all of them have been asked to submit documents to be vetted you're not at that level yet? >> well, we'll look they argue they've asked us for a number of things. i think that a number of people have been asked to submit this in your taxes or something i don't know everything but yeah, i mean, certainly like, have you committed a crime? >> i've ever lied about this have you ever committed a crime? >> a matt gorman? >> apparently not. okay. for the vp i know what we laugh. >> i know we laugh. it does it does make sense why you'd ask that. i mean, it does it does. >> i did the first of that of paul ryan when it was selecting his vp we're at the point now, where you're bringing in not just the candidate, but the family, the accountants, the lawyers, and you are asking we were just trying to get to the central question. number one, do we know everything about this person that we need to know? number one and number two if we don't, what is it that we don't know and trying to get that. so the candidate, no matter who it is, can evaluate and make a decision because let's face it this way, right? >> we know trump is indicted on four things, felt guilty on 153 others, right? in the limited space, we don't want a new one coming out all of a sudden that they can't price in that they don't have an awareness of. it does seem like an acknowledgment that committing crimes as bad, which the president has so far not seemed to want to cop to i don't think they have formally conceded that point but no, i mean, to matt's point, it's less about any particular dealbreaker than about not being surprised, right? that's what's running processes for it's just anything that's in there. the campaign wants to know in advance so they can get out ahead of it if that's the case or just again, just not to be surprised by something, it's one thing to say, oh, this came up in his first campaign and he had a good explanation for it, or the voters didn't seem to care. and so it's known part of someone's bio, it's another thing for it to be, you know, late october and all of a sudden you're finding out that someone was arrested for a felony 30 years ago, that they neglected to tell anybody about, and it becomes a big news cycle. >> i will just say that it also seems to underscore the difference between donald trump and the rest of the political universe where gravity still seems to apply even if it doesn't donald trump. >> all right, coming up next, hunter 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hadi continued to use narcotics smoke, crack every 15 minutes throughout 2018 and decided not to buy a gun. >> we wouldn't be here in this courtroom. >> choices have consequences. and that's why we're here later. hunters defense attorney argued the prosecutors case was similar to a magician's trick, adding quote, there is nothing there. joining me now from wilmington, delaware is alex thompson, the national political reporter for it? axios, who has been covering this trial day in and day out. alex, wonderful to see you how just catch us up with what you saw in court yesterday during these closing arguments. and i want to dig into how the family in particular is playing into this because my understanding is the jurors were told not to be intimidated by the fact that it's the families the president of the united states yes. >> so yesterday you saw bolt very lengthy closing arguments, i believe abbe lowell hunter biden's lawyer when for about 87 minutes and then the prosecution got two shots at it and they probably got about the same about 87 minutes. and to your other points the prosecution said, if they have not proven that hunter biden was a crack addict than no one is a crack addict. and it got a little chip between the two sides. abbe lowell at one point said that the prosecution had been quote enormously cruel two naomi biden hunter biden's daughter, the president's granddaughter, and how they cross-examined tr the government came right back and said it was then who put her on the stand that put her in that position. and it was hunter biden who according to text messages tom had been erratic and texting in the middle of the night and had i think they've put it as said, blowing her off and so it got very personal in terms of how the family yesterday was the most family that we have seen in this trial. you had aunts, uncles cousins, the cousins, spouses. it was at least a full thing and it was interesting that both sides, in their closing arguments made you made allusions to the family. now, abbe lowell hunters lawyer has been really trying to portray hunter as a family person and has been referencing the family as as part of that that he is just i think one of you, whereas the prostitution is basically saying what? you just alluded to, which is don't be intimidated. this is not these people are not evidenced. these people are not really part of the trial how would you describe kind of the the mood among the biden family members who attended from what? you could observe it, what did what did that feel like yeah. i think they you can see a little bounce in their step after abbe lowell's closing, having just a fulsome 87 minute defense from of hunter when i think a lot of the family feels he has just been hit day after day after day for the last several years and i think i even saw bowel biden, the president, sister give them a go, give abby go, get them. right? right afterward. but after at the very end i don't think the family likes being at felony trial for joe biden's son, and you could tell there were certainly moments ashley biden in particular, the president's daughter and hunter sister has you been very emotional at moments in this trial having to leave at some point, plate lots of tears. and you can tell it's been harder on some than on the others. >> one of the arguments that came up was about hallie biden one of the attorneys said quote, poor hallie biden knew had to be dragged through this period of her life. again, who understandably did not remember a lot of the details well she remembering what she saw that day or dozens of other days when she too was using if you notice, she could remember what the prosecutors asked her. the prosecutors are also gave her immunity, but not so much for any number of things so that that i guess coming from from abbe lowell well, it clearly they felt like they needed to defend other members of the family. two, how did that fit in this been a key part of hunter biden strategy from the very beginning, which is to really try to undermine the credibility of hallie biden, who's beau's widow, who is also his sister-in-law. >> and the reason is because her testimony he is, very very troubling if you're a hunter, biden, the fact is that she was the one that found the gun. she and when she testified that when she went into the truck, she found crack cocaine, paraphernalia, suggesting that he had been smoking very recently, that she found powder that day, which also suggested he'd been using am was the one that he was texting during the period he had the gun in which he said that he was smoking crack and this goes to a larger sort of dynamic within both the defense and the prosecution, which you at the very end of the day beyond the facts that case, i think it will really come down to you. do you relate to hunter biden or do you resent hunter biden and the prosecutor? the hunters team at basically wants to make you think he's a family man that he was suffering from a disease that he's one of you in delaware home grown. whereas the defense is saying no, this is a bad guy. this is the guy that what the little details that he was trying hundred $51,000 in cash withdrawal and just three months that he was a millionaire, that he was yael educated, that he gave $800 to his 24-year-old girlfriend to buy clothes for his daughters. these little details that are meant to portray a different sort of person and that may end up being the difference maker with this jury all right. alex thompson for us this morning. alex. thank you very much for that. meghan hayes, can i ask you, you know, someone who's been in the biden family orbit? how this all mean as alex said, that they entire family has shown up for him at this trial. understandably, but it's gotta be weighing on the president who of course has not made an appearance at the courtroom. >> yeah. i mean, i don't think anybody hit this table. be surprised. a hunter is at the forefront of the presence minor, it adds, it's an extremely challenging situation. he's a dad first and foremost, i think he said that in his statement, but i do think that this is someone who is an addict. he is a recovering addict right now and i think that the family is concerned and i think that's showing up to be supportive of him. i think that's what families do is show up and support people when in their time of need. >> all right. >> let's turn now to the 2024 campaign trail where donald trump de, virtual mark remarks yesterday to the danbury institute it is a conservative christian group. they call abortion, quote, child sacrifice, and quote the greatest atrocity facing our generation today trump, who just two months ago said abortion should be left to the states, didn't explicitly mentioned abortion during his remarks. that's an admission that for the presumptive nominee of the republican party says a lot about the politics of this issue in a post-dobbs, america. instead, trump said this we are a seriously declining nations, seriously serious and so sad. i know that each of you is protecting those values every day and i hope we'll be defending them side-by-side for your next four years. these are going to be your years so matt gorman, i mean, he obviously is trying to tell them something that they want to hear, but to not mention abortion at a group like this. i mean, it just shows what a tough position any republican is in, in a world where the protections of roe means that, well, if you say life begins at conception, suddenly are threatening. everything including in vitro fertilization. >> note we look at it, i think abortion is probably the best issue for democrats and it makes the most sense for him to run on it. >> and i think it doesn't make sense also for trump to give more grist to anything and that they're going to use against them already in a campaign. and i think what this is, i'm more and more convinced that this an election in the sanctuary to come down either the economy hovering above all, an immigration on the right, abortion and left competing as the single issue crawl over broken glass type issues for voters. and which one wins out last couple years exceed abortion went out, could happen again, immigration has been very salient, loved what happens, and i think that's gonna tell us its substrate election. well, and i think the debate that i'm hearing among my republican sources about how they and their candidates should message the abortion issue is very similar to it. why here democrats talking about immigration? the question is, do you try to keep it off the agenda and not talk about it in the hopes that you can raise the salience of some other issue, right. so if you're a democrat to ignore immigration and just tried to talk about abortion where you feel like you have a better message there is a school of thought, i think in both of these camps that says no, you have to go at it. you have to say to voters, i understand why you think this is important and here is my position so that they're not left guessing. so republicans have been having this active debates since the fall of roe, saying we do have to have a message for voters about abortion. we do have to have something to say to them. otherwise, we're just going to get clobbered and i think you've seen democrats on immigration, the same thing. a lot of candidates have tried to avoid the issue, but there is a new conventional wisdom on the democratic side that says if you do that you're just gonna get killed on this issue. that is important to so many voters. you do need to have some kind of positive message, even if it's not necessarily going to be popular because in both cases, the parties are on the wrong side of these respective issue really interesting way to think about it, okay the house rules committee meets today to consider holding attorney general merrick garland in contempt. we're going to talk about that with a member of the committee recovery can ralph 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there was a substantial amount of vote for the one on here that was covered up probably one of the biggest conspiracies in american history when just say there was no evidence of any of the things that he just said there, giuliani pleaded not guilty in may to nine felony charges stemming from his alleged role in arizona's fake electors scheme the port of baltimore is open for business now as the shipping lane into the harb fully reopened last night for the first time since the francis scott key bridge was hit by a cargo ship and collapsed in march from all those folks all right. let's turn now to capitol hill where the house rules committee will meet today to decide whether to advance contempt charges against attorney general merrick garland over his refusal to provide lawmakers the audio of president biden's interview with special counsel robert hur after her found the biden mishandled classified documents but would likely present to a jury as a quote, sympathetic, well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory and quote, the gop led push comes just a week after garland testified before congress, where he said this i will not be intimidated. and the justice department will not be intimidated and training. >> now, it's south carolina republican congressman ralph norman. he sits on the house rules committee a powerful one in the house. congressman. good morning. thank you for being here. >> my pleasure bladder be ready. >> so the attorney general, merrick garland has a new washington post opinion piece that's out this morning and he writes in that piece quote, disagreements about our politics are good for our democracy. they are normal. >> but using conspiracy theories, falsehoods, violence, and threats of violence to effect political outcomes is not normal. >> the short-term political benefits of those tactics will never make up for the long-term cost to our country continued unfounded attacks against the justice department's employees are dangerous for people safety, they are dangerous for our democracy. >> and they must stop. >> what do you have to say to his argument there attorney general garland is let's just say it's laughable. what he's taking party and he's not above the law. he says he's not going to be intimidated it's very simple. >> why don't think he's arguing that he's above you're saying he's not above the law in the context of the contempt charges around that that you are considering what what he's not above the law in is when congress has every right, an article one the whole committees that investigates the doj in any other agency. >> and what we asked for is the sense that president biden had an interview with robert hur asking for the audio tapes very, very simple. the audio tapes and he won't. they initially started back in february of this february 5th and we asked for the audio tapes which do exist and on february 16, the doj under the guidance of merrick garland said they weren't going to meet the timeline. >> they extended the timeline. >> so and then finally they came back and said there's no justifiable reason why you need the audio tapes that the biden has already waived executive privilege by printing the the interview so they're just want to tape to see if they match up with what's being reported. >> they redacted several parts of it. so but and it's saying he's not above the law. he's going to be in contempt. we will pass it, i think in the rules and will hold him accountable like he's doing every every other person has got an arb aside, their name and you're going to learn from the tapes that you can't learn from the transcripts the tapes were backup, will either justify what has been the the transcript say or they won't. >> do you think actually tampered with a the transcripts? >> is that what you're saying? >> we have no idea until we get them. they haven't. that's what attorney general garland refuses to turn over is very simple. turn turn the tape over, and so we can see if it matches with the transcripts either does or does it? and do you think that you have in the full house to hold the garland in contempt oh, i have no idea. we'll see what the evidence we will have testimony today that are probably last six to eight hours. you have a democratic witness, you have republican witness. james calmer well, it may be jim jordan, but one of the two will present what they're finding is, but it's very simple. turn over the tapes that will either validity the transcripts or they won't and let us see it congressman, i want to talk politics with you for a little while. >> your state, of course, has famously sharp-elbowed to put it politely, i would say politics, nancy mace congresswoman, who voted to oust kevin mccarthy facing a primary challenge today. >> could you underscore clarify for me who it is you're supporting in this primary. >> and do you think that mayes is going to hang on? >> i hadn't come out on either side. i know both. and i serve with nancy, catherine templeton was headed de heck under nikki haley who i like i think nancy will win this race, but i hadn't come out publicly for either one of them. i get involved in a lot of races but on this particular one, i decided just to let the low country decide who they want and net nancy's got a track record and catherine templeton has a record of so why once you endorse your college, you're not endorsing nancy mace. i mean, that's pretty normal worthy as typically y'all incumbents usually stick together well, i didn't come out against are either. >> i just said let the voters decide and the low countries has a lot of different issues that they're passionate about. and i let them decide it and i'm from the upstate and i did get involved. am involved with the timmons morgan rice. i came out against william terman's and but on the nancy may just decide to stay out of that sir, before i let you go we've heard president former president trump. obviously, he has campaigned. we've heard him say earlier in the show that america is a declining nation this is something that he talks about all the time. the governor of pennsylvania, which is a key swing state. he's a democrat but he had a different message about what he thinks republican should be saying about america. i want you to listen to what governorship hero said, and then i want to get your reaction on either side. watch all they hear from donald trump is a whole bunch of whining about this country. so i got a message to donald trump and all his negativity in his whining stops barking. america. this is the greatest country on earth, and it's time that we all start acting like it i'm going to say, sir i'm a patriotic american. do you does he have a point president trump as does the american people see what's happening to america. >> he is exactly right? look at what's happening in this country. talk to the average voter out there who is very upset with inflation. they're very upset with the 13 to 15 million illegals coming into this kind. would you still the greatest country on earth as many politicians often have it once was the greatest country on earth. we in the rapid decline, it's not anymore three-and-a-half years of this biden administration. >> pardon me. >> it's not anymore in which country would you say is greater than the united states of america? >> well, unless we get our financials in order, unless we stopped spin in, printing money, will we cannot continue what we have been in the past, which is a shining city on a hill, and the director result of the liberal policies that this administration has continues to put, put the american people through immigration, is leading the pack on. this is he's breaking the constitution. he's destroying the values in this country. so i think the american people show that at the pose all right, i sold them have the name of another country that's greater than the united states of america. congressman ralph north on norman, excuse me, ralph norman, thank you so much, sir, for being here. i really appreciate your time. >> my pleasure. >> all right, let's turn now to this i'm still feature when i walk in the room why wouldn't we talk about taylor swift? >> and we can talk about taylor swift. she apparently has a new admirer in donald trump. in an interview for a forthcoming book about the former president trump raved about the pop star's looks, telling the writer quote, i think she's beautiful, very beautiful. i find it very beautiful. i think she's liberal. she probably doesn't like trump. i hear she's very talented. i think she's very beautiful actually unusually beautiful trump, however, clearly seemed unable to forget his bad blood with swift over her 2020 endorsement of joe biden and throwing into question her political beliefs that she is liberal or is that just an act he asked during the interview, she's legitimately he liberal, it's not an act. it surprises me that a country star can be successful being liberal meghan. >> i mean, i think it's creepy the way he continues to talk about how pretty women are that are significantly younger in age, very much younger. but that being said, i think that he he doesn't want to upset the swifties. i think we all know what happens when that when we awake a giant of the swifties. but i think it's very big. >> part of why we're talking about her. madame mean, disagree with me if you want to but she is actually probably the one celebrity. i think that actually has the power to move inefficient number of probably right? >> yeah, i think it's a matter of now whether she would ever want to get involved, i think in 2020, 2016, were i think we talked to this couple weeks ago, different time for celebrities inject themselves some politics become political actors very different now, outtake donald trump taylor swift, like it's like the page clicks like big bang, massive forces together for this this explosion. >> i hope for it. >> but yeah, i don't think she needs it out really good about i don't think he needs to go out and like i support you biden. she was already did that and then also in her documentary, if she's already said where she stands on a lot of issues and like wind to our family and said, i mean, so i don't think anyone's questioning where she stands politically here, but yeah. so i mean, i think he gets kind of i don't think she needs out really get involved, but i think it like donald trump as like a celebrity, celebrity pundit, right? like a celebrity handicap or he is really encapsulating so where she stands in like the firmament of sort of pop culture, right? yeah. >> he clearly has spent more time looking at her than listening to her. she hasn't been a country star for a long time as my swift the daughter could certainly the idea that like people don't necessarily see her as a political figure. and that's why a potential endorsement for her is so powerful, right? because to her legions of fans who just love her no matter what, the things that she says are, can resonate outside that political sphere. and that's why i think she does have the power to potentially move votes is even though she does have this history of endorsed pressing liberal politicians and taking liberal positions, she is not, i think pigeonholed as just sort of hollywood liberal, liberal celebrity. and so she's able to speak in an authentic way to her following it hearkens back to a funny time where donald trump was on twitter like talking about robert patents and kristen stewart member that ten years ago, remember this is very much like the page six, new york celebrity gossip world he had spent 30 years in. this is almost in a way like a very pure version of donald trump, like gossiping about celebrities. >> yeah, no it's, it's, it's it's donald trump, maggie haberman has been cut yeah. all right. >> i will leave you with this oh like she's still got it. courtney cox, letting the world know. she's still has the moves that she showed off in bruce springsteen's video for dancing in the dark, the friends star joining a social media trend where kids ask their parents to show them how they danced in the 1980s, cox famously appeared in springsteen's 1984 and music video. jumping on stage to boogie with the boss molly ball has your daughter made you do this yet no could you better or worse than a by way waveshape, let's put courtney back first quarter me and her dancing. there yep, there she is. >> i mean, honestly that i think i could do that might be the limit of my abilities, but that i could do i mean i don't know because i wouldn't want to do it in public, but i'm not do not checked doing matt either. all right thanks, guys. >> every much. appreciate your time today. thanks for all to all of you for joining us. i'm

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today with his probation officer all right 5:00 a.m. here in washington alive. look at capitol hill on this monday morning. good morning. everyone in kasie hunt, it's wonderful to have you with us. >> new details this morning about the israeli military operation that rescued four israeli civilians held by hamas this new video edited and provided by the israeli military appears to show some israeli soldiers escorting the rescued hostages toward military helicopters on a beach in gaza. >> these for israelis now reunited with their families and just beginning to recover from their months of captivity. among those rescued 26-year-old noa argamani, who is abduction during the october 7 attack was captured on tape. noa screamed for help as she was forced by hamas members onto the back of a motorcycle. and driven into gaza. the idf raid also resulting in the deadliest day of the war in six months. at least 274 people killed according to gazan health officials the idf disputes those numbers, saying that the number of casualties was under 100 cnn cannot independently verify the death toll and we don't yet know how many of those killed were hamas fighters and how many were civilians. but we do know that the hostages were being held in residential homes in a densely populated area cnn also learning this morning that some idf soldiers disguise themselves as hamas fighters and displaced palestinians to conduct the raid. joining me now to discuss, is cnn political and national security analyst david sanger. david, good morning. i'm very grateful to have you here for folks just tuning in after the weekend. a very dramatic time for the israelis here at with this raid. how do you see the fallout here as we see these hostages reunited with their families, but we also try to figure out to count the dead among the palestinians good morning, casey. >> and i think you've captured it right? >> it was an incredibly dramatic weekend. >> and i think there are three salient points about the rescue. the first is the operation itself was a miracle of terrific intelligence, great covert work, and getting in there and getting them out. then certainly something to be celebrated. there are more than 100 hostages left, but this was clearly a big win on saturday morning when when this all took place. >> the second is at once again, it came at a great human cost as many israeli operations in gaza have and this is the sort of brutal calculus of this, which is maybe it was under 100 pounds justinian's dead. >> maybe it was over 200 is a palestinian say, but the fact of the matter is that we saw a huge number of palestinian deaths in order to accomplish the long-sought release of these four and that seems to sum up much of what's happened during the war. i think the third thing we're discovering as monday morning rolls in here, is that after this dramatic weekend, the rescue did very little to change the fundamentals of the problem that is real faces benny gantz, the former defense minister and, and head of idf took a day off or pushed an extra day because of the rescue but resigned from the war cabinet shattering that view of unity and he did so saying that prime minister netanyahu who does not have a plan for the day after four administering gaza yeah, david, in fact, let me pause you there because i did want to get to that next with you and we have a little bit from gantz over the weekend and what he said, how he explained why he was leaving the war cabinet. >> let's watch sorry. >> can you regrettably netanyahu is preventing us from advancing toward true victory, which is the justification for the ongoing and painful cost of war that is why we are leaving the emergency government today with a heavy heart, but with full confidence i call on netanyahu, set an agreed election date. don't allow our people to get torn apart so david, he said there that netanyahu is preventing us from advancing towards true victory what does he really getting at here? >> because he also seem to suggest that netanyahu was unnecessarily prolonging the war right? >> this has been a long-held view, including among american officials that prime minister netanyahu knows that once the war is over, or at least a ceasefire takes place at the active fighting is done the investigations into october 7 begin in earnest. the intelligence failures israel obviously had a good deal of intelligence. this would happen that it did not respond to the idf's failures. that israeli defense force in responding that day. he assumption is that prime minister netanyahu couldn't not survive that and of course, one of the beneficiaries could well be benny gantz himself, who ran against the prime minister a few years ago, laws. >> but today is doing well enough in the polls, but it's not inconceivable that he could emerge victorious. >> also, not certain but what we're seeing now is the united states with benny gantz's help, tried to get the israelis to commit to what president biden called and israeli proposal for ceasefire and prisoner exchange and get hamas most importantly to agree to it may be difficult, more difficult it was difficult before the rescue. >> it may be more difficult now. >> and overnight, casey, the us has finally decided to go to the united nations security council with a ceasefire and hostage exchange proposal basically the one the president laid out ten days ago and try to get their approval of it to up the pressure on both hamas and israel very interesting set of developments here. david, very, very briefly does this move by gantz not pushed netanyahu farther into the arms of the right-wing and israel it does he's got a very narrow majority's holding onto. he didn't need gantz's party to stay in. he needed kansas credibility to some degree that deal with the us and the rest of the world. >> but if netanyahu agrees to the israeli plan which came out of the war cabinet, not out of the political atmosphere and the coalition. >> he's put together 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welcome back. >> after four days of european parliamentary elections being held across 27 countries we're seeing a major shift to the right in europe. the center-right european people's party now projected to be in the majority. >> protesters taken to the streets in paris sunday after the far right in france, scored an unprecedented 31 31.5% of the road. and the french president emmanuel macron dissolved parliament, called for snap elections situ in situation. >> one like it is a situation to which i cannot resign myself. the rise of nationalists and demagogues is a danger not only for our nation but also for our europe and for francis place in europe and the world. they don't all right, joining us now is cn an international anchor, max foster who joins us now, live from london max, good morning to you. this is a bit of a complicated situation for folks in the us who don't necessarily follow the ins and outs of the european parliamentary elections. but big picture is that we have seen kind of a across the continent these far right parties surging in a way that has really concerned the sort of center right? majority governing parties. and it so much so that you saw emmanuel macron take this pretty significant action. it's a risk for him to do this. why is he doing it and how does it help explain the big picture of what we're seeing here? >> hi, a lot of people quite baffled because off the back of a european election where in france at least the far-right, did extremely well he's now going into another election. he called it and it's going to benefit the right. many would argue because they can ride on that momentum, but he is effectively saying he wants to hand it over to the french people who he believes are generally moderate. and of his point of view. so he can prove that the european election, which is often a protest vote for european voters, won't actually hold in a national election. so a massive risk, and i think even the people closest to them realize that, but we'll see he, how marine le pen does out of that steadily over recent years she's been increasing in authority and power and she's doing what many of the european parties are doing, which is focusing on immigration. and ukraine and also environment. but on this basis that really resonates with a lot of people, which is that the cost of living is getting worse and worse inflation's going up. we can not afford to do all of those things. we have to hunker down a look at nationalism. and i think if you look at the overall parliamentary picture, then the moderate still hold it. but in the key country, the big economies, france, germany, and italy, the far right? excelled. so it's going to have a huge influence. >> yeah, we can put up on the screen for people to kind of see in color the way that this broke down in france. so let's set aside the yellow that's other, but that red piece which is clearly the most significant one for a named party, is the national all rally. those are the right wingers that 15% purple that you see the renaissance party, purple, blue. that's macron's party. and max, to be clear, we saw something similar play out in germany and in italy can you talk a little bit about how this strengthens the more right-leaning leaders who are in office in europe well you know, it's already got a right-wing prime minister. >> so she's empowered and marine le pen, as i say, he's been climbing steadily in germany. a lot of people would view that party. now the second most powerful party in the country as traditionally a very far right party. so it has huge influence because germany and france and italy are the three countries that have most influence over the european union i was interviewing a us expert based here in the. uk earlier on, and she was talking about how this will empower trump effectively. a lot of the wright was rising in europe before trump, but chump managed to popularize a messaging and they've adopted a lot of that. so he certainly added energy to the rise of the right here in europe and it also means that the more senior these right-wing politicians become, the more contacts and power he has within europe. so it's very empowering to him and his foreign policy. he creates alliances specifically for him within countries which were traditionally us allies. so it has a it will have a big impact on trump if he gets into power and it will cause a problem for biden if it gets into power bi, it's going to be much less supportive of him and his policies going forward. >> yeah it's an interesting way to think about it. and i also think one of the things that donald trump has done that we remark on it, but i think perhaps not enough. and that is to normalize things that previously were considered out of bounds. and the politics and the way we're thinking about politics. and you can really see that in some of these right-wing up pushes, bringing things in that previously were considered to be verboten are not acceptable on our 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incident that's keeping their city hall closed today. officials are only saying that they're trying trying to figure out the nature and scope of the incidents and the white house hosting the godmother of soul patty lewbel at the juneteenth concert on the south long today, other artists attending include gladys knight, charlie wilson, and brittney spencer and oppressive heat ramping up across the west today while drought stricken south florida braces for rain and flooding this week are weatherman derek van dam is here and he is tracking all of it for us. derek, good morning. >> yeah. good morning. casey. we've got las vegas sin city. it has had its hottest start in the month of june since records began, that's since 1937, 11. yes, that's not a typo consecutive days where the mercury in the thermometer has reached 100 degrees or more. that is why we have our heat warnings in place for this area. and you know what it's not just inclusive of las vegas checkout, much of arizona and into the central valley of california. the heat continues. we know it was hot last week, but it's going to ramp up through the course of this week as well. if you're in phoenix, i was just there. we could go. yeah. it was sizzling as i stepped off the tarmac and this is 14 consecutive days temperatures above 100 degrees is all thanks to that heat dome. remember that's an area of high pressure that really reduces cloud cover in the sky. so you get maximum exposure from the sun, doesn't take much to heat things up, and we start to see this triple-digit heat blanket. the southwestern us. now the other big story that we have on the docket for today is the flood threat that's going to be ongoing this week across the state of florida, particularly across the southern portions of the peninsula. watch this. there's a cold front approaching an abundant amount of tropical moisture moving in off the gulf of mexico that will bring wave after wave of heavy rainfall starting today. but ramping up through the 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provided by the israeli military appears to show helmet camera from israeli soldiers coming under fire while rescuing those hostages. one resident of a refugee camp in gaza claims he saw special forces with the israeli military disguise themselves as hamas fighters. and palestinian civilians during the operation the operation did come at a great human cost. scores of palestinians dead, just how many? we don't know. gaza's health ministry says the numbers, at least 274. israel says it's fewer than 100. i am joined now by joel rubin. he is the former deputy assistant secretary of state in the obama white house. joel, good morning to you. wonderful to see you this morning let's start with the raid for people who are two doubt on a summer weekend, just waking up to this news, these four hostages rescued this clearly was something that i mean israeli families of hostages have been increasingly more and more upset about the fact that their loved ones have remained in captivity. what does this mean for them? yeah, it was a dramatic rescue without a doubt and have very high costs as you described with a palestinian loss of life what it means is that the israeli defense forces for a day for a moment, restored confidence in the israeli public about their capacity to deliver and to get their people out. but in the big picture, the best way to get israeli hostages out has been through deals, through a cease fire for hostage exchange, like one that we saw back in november. so a good day for israel, a unity didn't last long. obviously, the politics in israel very, very dicey with benny gantz. now exiting the coalition government. but it was something that the israeli public has been demanding. and now they want more action. they want to see the prime minister lean-in on getting a deal to get these hostages out. >> of course the toll here was very high in terms of palestinian life. it all so served to highlight some of the tactics that hamas uses talk a little bit more about where these hostages were found. and why there was perhaps so much collateral damage. obviously, much of it should be laying at the feet of the israeli forces that invaded here. but that's not the only thing at play, not at all. the case you're right, it was despicable. >> display of how hamas d values palestinian life. so many very clear these hostages were held in private civilian homes they were there for months and they were in the midst of what everyone in those areas new was a civilian areas. so israel, by finding these individuals, by rescuing them, it was clear that there were going to be civilian casualties. hamas doesn't care about palestinian civilian life. i i know we've talked about this before, but this is perhaps one of the most a stark examples of that. if they cared about palestinian civilian life, they would be agreeing to the ceasefire proposal that has been out there and discuss secretary blinken's going out to the region to try to push for this, but in the meantime, hamas is embedding hostages in civilian areas with the clear understanding, this will cause palace let's see any civilian lives for a propaganda bonus may be for hamas, but i don't see how this is a real bonus for anybody in the middle of this conflict. they clearly are not looking at civilians as something to protect inside of gaza. >> so let's talk big picture for a second. you mentioned benny gantz, of course, announcing over the weekend and he's going to leave the war cabinet. he is, of course, someone that the us has really relied on in the course of these negotiations in this push for a ceasefire that president biden actually announced on a recent i've friday. here's what jake sullivan, the national security adviser, had to say over the weekend. let's watch keith thinks the best way to get all of vestiges home is in a deal where they're brought out diplomatically, where there's no need for military operations to get every last hostage out. what we would much prefer to see is a ceasefire where the hostages come out peacefully. >> that is available. israel has said yes to it. now hamas needs to say yes to it. that's where president biden full effort, energy and attention is so bottom line, draw what's the holdup? while the holdup is hamas? the holdup is that hamas is i want to agree to a ceasefire that essentially pushes them out of the power. and that's the genius of this proposal, which is that it lays out a roadmap for preventing at the end state of resurgence of hamas in the gaza strip. and now that, that is, of course, very frustrating as well to the white house, because what we're seeing is the far-right ministers in israel's government rejecting that proposal as well. and now with ben against leaving the coalition it gives them a little more power in the near term, but it also puts the question to the israeli public. and i think this is why the president did go public with his proposal to get the israeli public to recognize the stakes, to put it back in the political arena. this question about how to end this war in a manner that we don't see a hamas resurgence in gaza and so the holdup right now is that hamas understands this proposal is against their interests and that's why we see the secretary going out. that's why it's frustrating that it's not yet done. but hamas, they're hoping for more days of violence, like on saturday where they don't have to make this agreement. and that means more palestinian lives are put at risk. >> machel rubin for us this morning, joel, always appreciate your experiments for being here all right, let's go now to politics. donald trump, tried to win over voters in nevada. a key swing state with his first official campaign rally since he was convicted on felony charges i tell you what? no third world country has weaponization, where they go after political candidates, like we have either this guy can get elected anything without cheating. >> the only way he can get elected is to cheat so all of those folks in during triple digit temperatures as trump rally them in an outdoor event in las vegas, nevada. >> of course, one of a handful of states that could help to decide the presidential election this fall, a new cbs poll shows trump in a virtual tie and a head-to-head race with president biden, both nationally and in these key swing states. today, trump is scheduled to have a hearing with his probation officer ahead of his sentencing next month in new york, cnn's learned. today's interview will be virtual with his attorney, todd blanche president trump me now to discuss nicholas johnston, the publisher of axios nick. >> good morning. great to hear so yeah, probation hearing for a presumptive sentencing name. >> you'd sentenced you just read off the teleprompter there, i think speaks to the kind of interesting election where in, where that sentence one interest hide across as the country tied and state sentenced to one of the candidates will have a virtual interview with his probation officer. today yeah that's seen as pool. actually interesting because it's one of the first things, places where we seem to see maybe a little bit of movement. obviously the official way we talk about it is that it's tied. >> there's no clear leader, but there is a little bit get over movement toward biden compared to where this pole previously was. what does that tell you? it's pretty clear across the board that again, within the margin of error is and all of these poles we've seen a slight polling bump four biden, and then a lot of the surveys were the vast majority of people say that conviction won't have any impact. >> there is 20, 30% of republicans who say it well, and remember, we've been talking about for months and months it's in a month. this is a very tight election for donald trump to win. he needs to get more voters and he needs to get the last time. and so far, being convicted of a felony in new york is not leaving more voters for that. but again, all of these are the margin of error. it's like going from trump up to two biden up one that is essentially a coin flip election still. >> yeah, it is yes. >> very, very, very close. so let's listen a little bit to some of what trump had to say in this rally over the weekend because is there are a couple of things that stood out to us, including how the former president talked about, well, i mean, he he always uses very often inflammatory language about joe biden. but in this case, he was talking about suicide as well let's watch this du are there this is a front row joe. >> he said everyone this guy wouldn't it be incredible. he's gone to 250 if he voted for biden, even for by now, i don't think so. i think it would be suicide before by dry a bit extreme i don't know how a front row you thought about that. i think we're seeing that this is trump being trump, like they're even though there's a big conversation a lot about how much will they stick to the issues there's pulling out over the weekend that shows what a strong conjugation issue the economy is as opposed to conviction. and so can trump come out and just talk about the economy and immigration for the next six months. i think that little snippet shows that will been a challenge for some of the president's former president's advisers. they gotta to do that. yeah, let's talk about nevada specifically for a second at trump also was up there. >> this is sort of a typical line, but he said it in front of it. a crowd. again, it's a very heavily hispanic at stateless watch. what trump had to say about hispanic and african-american voters joe biden is also weighed. >> you're going all out war on the workers have america, especially african americans and hispanic in america i spanish americans and african americans are the ones suffering most with his incredible illegal alien group that's coming in so this is, this is pretty typical for how trump talks about this kind of thing. >> but i think what's going on in nevada is particularly interesting. i will say i have okay to a lot of sources recently who think that it actually may go for trump. this time around and it's part of it's part of the reason is because of some of the themes that he is talking about. there, there are a lot of workers that tourism economy, cassino workers, who in the past had gone for democrats who may actually go republican this time you hear this was a big, i mean, again, this is a point-slope election. >> there's a lot of things happening that people don't really understand because this is such a different election than ones previously. and i think one of the ones that republicans are trying to capitalize as those capitalizes, in row on minority voters with hispanic americans or african americans, as well. that's clear on the polling data that donald trump is doing better with those groups in previous republican candidates. and i think his campaign, his advisers, he, that is a huge, massive opportunity. again, the same way that if a small amount of those republican voters are moved by the conviction, if a small amount of minority voters are moved by some of the present former president's economic arguments that the election right, they're all on the line. all right. nick johnson for us, nic, always great, to have you. thank you all right. >> come on up next and update on the condition of those just four rescued israeli hostages plus caitlin clark rebounding how she's trying rejection into motivation silent burst with liev schreiber sunday at night on cnn i'm getting vaccinated and pfizer's pneumococcal pneumonia vaccine syllabi because i'm at risk for pneumococcal pneumonia already gotten pneumonia vaccine. but i'm asking about the added protection of krever 20 if you're 19 or older with certain chronic conditions like asthma, diabetes, copd, or heart disease, or are 65 or older, you are at increased risk for pneumococcal pneumonia, prevnar 20 is approved in adults to help prevent infections 20 strains of the 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brain cancer and was unable to express her feelings professor hagai levine is the head of the health team at the hostages and missing families forum and joins me now from tel aviv, professor, thank you so much. for being here at noaa is being treated at the same hospital as her mother is. what are the primary concerns for her as she tries to recover after spending eight months and kennedy e-tivity when of course it's very motion to be back in his word to meet their mother. >> unfortunately, my there is very very sick and i'm not even sure if she understood that noise here. that's the bet. that's shows that when the camo send people were kidnaps, also the families were kidnapped. and we see and we also almog father yossi meir funeral was last night and he did not he just died. a few hours because he received before the news that design is about no, i cannot disclose personal information, but i can say is that also in general and she's in a much better shape than what we were well, concern. there are not only psychological, but also physical issues related to captivity. i bought her personally the. last says that she needed for eight months where she had to use contact lances. obviously, it's not good for eyes and it's now she has struggled because, you know, a massive is so sick so with the joy, joyfulness of coming back home, and she cannot be completely happy and with friends, 120 the hostages, including friend, had been done while still in captivity can you give us a sense for the others who also were rescued, what their physical condition was like, what their mental state was like, and what the coming months you're going to look like for them so i'll morgue and why and shlomi, were together for long period of times. >> i must say this zero resilience and zero support of each other. >> i'll remarkable. >> it's really showed us what the human spirit can do. and, you know the stress anytime in captivity could be your last moment it sometimes it's the small anecdote as they talked each other languages. and andrei i taught them rushing and zealand the some arabic. i'm saying together with all the physical and mental and other assaults, it's also very they're showing in a sense to see how they will able to cope with the situation. which reminds me, you know, the story is about cml gut with the student at the hebrew university where i teach 42 or therapy. and she provided yoga lessons for foil mates in captivity. we don't know what is going with her right now. it's clear they will need a very long recovery process shlomi cannot return to his home up in the nose because there is well, when gonzaga and is home is attacked and it will take months and the ears, it's also for the house. the other families. it's great joy, but the concern is enormous. they cannot really the release hostages. they cannot really full when they know that their friends are still there. and i must say with some void because because today in the israeli parliament, the families of the hostages were attacked by the extreme right-wing members of the parliament, which in a way told them that they should be sacrificed i'm sorry to say that and we we know that the only way to get all the 120 hostages back dead or alive is by a deal. there was a deal that was put on the table by president biden, and i think it's all of us and i'm through your show, i want to deliver to the world. we must put the pressure on the hamas and it's allies to accept the offer and to stop the bloodshed and released all those just because all of them are entitled to go back home. >> all right a professor hagai levine for us this morning, sir. thanks very much for your time. i really appreciate it thank you very much case. all right. time now for sports, the boston celtics. now just two wins away from a record-breaking i think 18th nba championship. after rallying and then holding off the dallas mavericks in game two of the nba finals coy wire has this morning splits your appoint coin. good morning. thanks up of the morning to uk's see the celtics faced pressure all season of past play off failures and being the league's best team. >> but it looks like they have what it takes this time around masdar luka doncic pre-game was all wrapped up in ice and up was potentially going to miss game to with everything from his chest to his knee banged up, but he did go any did register struck triple, double, 32 points, 11 rebounds, 11 assists for the celtics, just too much. one of the unsung heroes, jrue holiday clamped down deif calls himself for utility guy, but it leaves a team in scoring last night with 26, he was nine for nine in the paint and watch this effort. maths have a chance to bring it within three with under a minute to go. but jaylen brown and derrick white hustle block the shot. brown finished with 21 white and tatum 18 celtics take a 2-0 series lead with a 10598 when here's a two-time awesome an olympic gold medalist holiday, or what makes this year celtic so special i think when you sacrifice together, you do something together brings you closer i think being able to go through wins and losses and to build something it means a lot. >> i think the best with this team has done from from one to 15, somebody sacrifice something. so it's been great in the journey has been awesome, but i've been in the day the judge and scottie scheffler has been through it all over the past month. de and his wife, meredith, welcoming their first child his arrest at the pga championship in louisville, then having the charges dropped yesterday, he found themselves back on top winning the memorial tournament, finishing eight under its fifth win in his last eight starts, his first wins is baby bennett, though. scheffler, full of emotion after the win that's pretty fun it's one he's getting sunburned out, looks like but it's this tournament is a very special to us and it will be for a long time because this the future of tennis is in good hands with 21-year-old carlos alcaraz, who rally from being down two sets to one to claim his first french open title. >> he's now the youngest man to win a grand slam on all three surfaces running around like the tasmanian devil, bewildering alexander zverev on the famous play algorithm, falling to the ground and victory then had gone over to give mom and dad of big o hug. he said he's been dreaming of winning the french open since he was 5-years-old. >> finally, caitlin clark park is commented on not being picked to play for team usa at the paris olympics next month, the indiana fever rookie phenom, who has helped shatter women's hub's viewership and attendance records so being left off the roster will only make her better listen honestly, no disappointment. >> i think it just gives you some them something to work for. you know, that's a dream hopefully one day i can be there and i think it's just a little more motivation. you remember that and, you know, hopefully in four years when four years comes back around, i can be there. i'm going to be written commando it to win gold i was a kid that grew up watching the olympics. so, yeah, it'll be it'll be from the washington or fever coach christie sides said the kaitlan, texas sinner about not being selected, casey and she said they woke a monster. >> the us women are seeking an h street gold at the olympics and they don't have any players currently on the roster under 26. katelyn, just 22, plenty of time to still get some of that red, white, and blue she does have plenty of time. >> we'll all be pulling. well, i'll be pulling farm coy thanks. i really appreciate it coming up next here. more details on how four israeli hostages were rescued in a deadly operation in gaza, plus oh. my god. >> oh, my god. oh my god oh my god. >> beachgoers on high alert after two shark attacks leave three people hurt in florida alder chains it's cold, calculating, cynical, and needs the money. not only was the cia compromise, he also was compromised secrets 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>> yes. >> and have you ruled out a pardon for your son? >> yes. >> i just went to a riggs trial in new york. >>'s first public campaign stops and says guilty convictions. >> if we don't win this country is finished. i really believe that, i think it is finished. >> i simply refuse to believe that america's greatness is a thing of the past. >> good evening once again, i am stephanie ruhle. we are now 151 days away from the election, and the contrast between the two presidential candidates could not be any clearer. this week president biden took action to close the border, and then traveled to france for the 80th anniversary of d-day where he stressed u.s. support for our allies. at donald trump, on the other hand, rallied against his guilty verdict, the judicial system, and then threatened to seek revenge with any possible person who has slighted him. let's bring in our nightcap and discuss all this. my friend, steve liesman is here. lizz winstead, cocreator of the daily show. she is also the cocreator. pablo torre, host of the public toray podcast. and to ray, host on thegrio. we look at this week you have president biden talking about freedom and the fight against tyranny, both 80 years ago and today, and then you have donald trump talking about how revenge is justified. liz, talk to us about where these two campaigns are and where they appear to be headed? >> tyranny of the past and tyranny of the present is basically what we are talking about. where are they heading? sometimes i honestly look at these two things and i think will the selection simply come down to will trump have more disillusioned people that won't show up or will biden have more dissolution people that won't show up? and that scares me. because i feel like for those of us doing the work, in the streets every day defending people's freedoms, if trump wins again, what we are facing is no dissent. and with no dissent we cannot challenge any of it. >> but, if he wins again there is no surprises about who donald trump is. in 2016 you can make the argument. people don't realize who he is. remember, he had all these people like no, no, you don't realize what you are in for. america knows exactly what they're in for. you say no. >> you know, there seems to be a lot of delusion. we hear a lot about the trump era was great, the trump administration was great. as if coven just did not happen. as if there was some reason why those last two years just don't count against his record. >> i don't remember covid but i definitely remember infrastructure week. >> infrastructure week was every week. i feel like trump is the most selfish person in the world, and everything revolves around me personally. every political issue comes back to me, myself. this woman asked him, this reporter asked him, katie from alabama wants to know what is your relationship with god? and he said i do very well with the evangelicals. that is not the question you were asked! and biden, to me, seems very outward. he is thinking about others. how can i help other people? think about the key moment of his life, losing a major chunk of his family in one horrific moment, as a relatively young man. who learned empathy, and to think about others and the importance of family. and this other person, who every bad characteristic we don't want our children to have, he has. >> i think what you said, you know, what is the question being asked and what are we trying to answer as instructed to what the biden campaign, i believe, should be trying to do? framing this even beyond needing to pay attention to the newsday today. more choice between extremism and not. i just wonder why we are not generally describing trump more as an extremist. forget about, again, let's not forget about the issues, people on the ground doing good work. when it comes to what are we expecting out of this, do you want someone who feels like they are attacking every institution, who is, again, do we need to recite the litany of felons and felonies? let's just talk about not being that. >> okay, but here is possibly why i think this is playing out. because, though they shouldn't be, president biden is focusing voters on democracy and on freedom. and these are fundamentally important things, but somehow they get viewed as kind of lofty ideals, and trump goes straight to the gut and grievance. >> because people don't know what it is like not to have it. i lived in russia for six years. they didn't understand democracy. they didn't know what it was like to not be, sort of the possibility of randomly being arrested and otherwise having appeal. but can i just go back to the beginning of the show? did all that stuff in this montage happened just this week? and there is 151 days, which means 21 weeks if my math is right. i'm wondering if i have the stamina to make it through this, if this is just one week's worth of stuff. i really think this is going to be rather a dramatic, caustic, and i think biden is going to have to really bring home what is the absence of democracy, which is a very tough thing, whereas trump has only to say look, we can do all these things, everything can be great, and full of wall is not a sinitic and thing people think about. >> trump is a great salesman for his diseased ideas. biden has not yet shown himself to be a great salesman of his ideals, of what he has done. and there is a very significant and real and honest critique of biden from the left. that he has not done enough on what is going on in gaza. and there are a lot of people who would be democrats otherwise who will not support him because of that. >> i hear you. what's the conversation to have with that voter about what former president trump will do with the situation in gaza? was it not nikki haley a few weeks ago, when she went over there and said it is the job? >> you know, what lizz said about the margins is important. don't think about the potential, the imaginary hypothetical biden trump voter. i don't think that person really exist. there are a couple, but not many. >> there is a lot. >> know, the election is going to be about can trump get people who will say it is either trump or stay home? and can biden get people who say it is either biden or i stay home? the election is going to be won on those margins. and biden does have this significant issue, that a lot of people. there is agoing around on it tiktok . i don't know if using it. >> tiktok, home of misinformation central. >> we can talk about tiktok later. but they asked with man, gun to your head, would you vote for biden or trump? and he said the gun would go off . it is a meme that has been shared by people who are saying i will not go with any of them. >> this is my point about extremism or not. biden should also be as popular as the field broadly. do you want trump or anybody else? we are at a point where trump is not just specifically dystopian in the ways that we may remember or not, based on our experience during the pandemic. he is also just clearly against the will of all is the concept. so i think the question of democracy is how do you make this a tangible, scarier thing? because currently i think talking about democracy as a concept is a little pie-in-the- sky. the thing about democracy dying in darkness did not really work as a slogan for the washington post. >> it this week, with the remembrance of d-day, it was not just the stark contrast between president biden and donald trump. it was also between donald trump and ronald reagan. ronald reagan gave one of the most important speeches of his presidency in normandy. he stood against russian aggression, he stood with his nato allies. so isn't there question to ask of all republican voters, where has your party gone? because the current gop and what donald trump represents bears almost no resemblance to ronald reagan. >> correct. >> it is why you saw joe biden looking almost like reagan and referencing him while he was in france this week. >> i mean, i am just not going to go down that path, because i am somebody who doesn't have friends who are alive because of ronald reagan. so when i think about waxing back to the people who laid the foundations for this evolution, trump did not come to us in a vacuum. trump came to us because people laid foundations for hatred and bigotry and sexism. and i feel like i don't want to go back to the party that i could recognize of ronald reagan. but what i do want to say is people that we are leaving out of this conversation are the voters. i am constantly saying to people the election is not the end game. it is the starting game. you get the democracy you want and you get the democracy you participate in. and who do you want to fight? that is my whole thing. who do you want to fight? do you want to fight a madman? or do you want to fight somebody who might listen to you where you can get the needle move? because these other people. >> i do not think the election is going to be won by biden if he is taking democracy his issue. i think it has to be the economy. all of our polling shows people are most concerned about inflation, most concerned about jobs, most concerned about the economy. democracy should be like the sprinkles you get with the ice cream cone, if the ice cancun is the economy. >> but without a functioning democracy you can throw your economy out the window. >> that the economy is always the number one issue. >> finish your thought. >> i was just going to say that if he does not win it on the record that he is running on -- >> which is a strong one. >> which is a pretty strong one , and a vision of the future, i don't think he wins it by saying i am the democracy guy and that guy isn't. >> we are talking two different languages as far as the folks who may vote for biden and the folks who may vote for trump. i mean, this is not about issues at all. this is about personality. this is about who you believe. and the people on the right, like joy reed talks about earth one and earth two. the people on the right live on earth two. and we can sit here and believe the nothing that you believe is factual. we can go on and on. january 6, climate change, the election, the trial. but they are affirmed in their miss belief constantly, and they think we don't know what is reality. >> this is why i feel like the whole felonies thing should and hopefully does cut through to a silent majority, not to evoke reaganism's, but a silent majority of people who are like i am in earth one resident that i am just not that proud of it. it is, for me, a bridge too far, when we have a convicted felon surrounded by felons being again in the white house. i feel like i just want to simplify it down to do you want the felony guy or anyone else? >> that is a great question. >> donald trump wanted more than his face, wouldn't he be doing everything possible to court the nikki haley voter? he disrespected nikki haley in every possible way and still she endorsed him. if she actually wanted to win, it wouldn't he say she is my running mate, let's go for the gold? he hasn't, instead it is president biden who is putting together a coalition to try to go to for those voters and risking losing progressive voters in the mix. >> i wonder when we say nikki haley voter, i would wonder if they were not so psyched about nikki haley, or if they were just like i don't want trump. i am not like everything about nikki haley is just awesome. people weren't saying that. i feel like him going for that voter after he saw emma we saw the numbers after iowa. was it 28% of those people who said if nikki haley is not the nominee i could possibly vote for biden? i think when trump doesn't go out and try to expand his base -- >> he never has. >> but let me finish. why is even doing that? that should be the sign to everybody, he is not trying to expand past due. he is not looking at a world for you. >> can i do some reporting here with lizz ? i might be messing up the order of your show here. but when roe was first overturned we saw abortion rise up to the top of issues. since then we have seen it fall down. and i know the democrats are making a big deal of the abortion issue. do you think it is something that motivates voters? i don't think it is going to be democracy, and i am wondering if it is going to be abortion as something that trumps the economy, for lack of a better term, and becomes a real motivating issue. >> well, i am the right person to ask. no, no, only because you might not know this, i am on the ground all the time talking to people. and this is where democrats are actually making a mistake. i do think abortion, abortion polls better than politicians. in these ballot initiatives we are seeing in over a dozen states were initiated by the people, not by politicians. by the people. people who held their abortion stories to themselves for years, saw this as a time, and this isn't a couple people. you have to get 200, 500 in florida, 900,000 validated signatures to get it on the ballot. the question is will people vote for biden and the initiative, what we saw in kansas, the very first one, that people voted overwhelmingly for their abortion initiative and still voted for some of the people who created the laws in the first place. what? so, what we should carefully be looking at is these initiatives, i think, are going to greatly help down ballot. they are going to help senate races and places that will be surprising. congressional races. and will people say i am going to vote for everybody but biden? that is the question somebody needs to answer. >> we can do that in the next poll. we can ask about that. >> please do. >> the president took pretty aggressive action on immigration this week. it has been a vulnerability for him. republicans are going to say it is too little too late. how do you think it is going to play out? and just to be clear, republicans have done nothing on immigration, and thanks to donald trump, blotch doing anything legislative. >> this is how the republican party has shifted the overton window in their direction. we talked about the border, and about immigration. immigration is not a central issue in american life. it is not the source of crime, it is not changing the economy. republicans have made it this central issue. >> and people believe it. whether it actually is an issue in daily life are not is somewhat irrelevant, because republicans have been successful in convincing the american people. >> that's what i'm saying, they have made us think about it when it is not as important as they wanted to be. >> i think this is the frustration for anybody who is not trump, joe biden specifically. your running election campaign, and administration based on it, i think, a practical execution of hopefully reasonable and increasingly moderated policies, and donald trump is running on vibes. it is a vibes based campaign. and the question, fundamentally, returns to turnout. >> vibes is too polite award for a period >> anger, resentment, ancient nightmares awake into the bloodstream of people who feel like they're being threatened by non-threats. >> i'm sorry, i have a different view on this. i want to see the person advising biden on the politics of immigration fired. i think he has been behind the curve on this. he has let the republicans take this to a place where it shouldn't go. >> from a narrative perspective, but not a policy perspective. what have they done on the policy front? >> from a narrative perspective, if he is doing what he is doing now, why couldn't he have done that months ago? >> okay, fine. but hold on. you can argue with when he did it, but now he is doing it. now he is doing it. what have republicans done? >> nothing. they have objected to a deal that was apparently done that was agreed to, but the second thing i wanted say -- >> they want to continue to set this up as a problem. >> the second thing i want to say is there are some issues where you want to take on the lack of facts and the misdirection had on. this issue of immigration, i think, should be one that should be approached with much more sympathy for the people who are afraid and scared, and i think rather than head on -- >> white, which people? the immigrants? >> the people in montana who are worried about people crossing the border in xcode. >> you don't make it to montana. >> never make it to montana. >> so we should worry about what people in montana and west virginia should think about it? we already do. >> this is what is motivating them. and i think there is a way to address this in a way that is more understanding and less in- your-face. >> more understanding of what white people in montana think? >> exactly. >> here's why, because they vote. i don't think steve is saying because they are white. hold on a second. i don't think it steve is saying that person in montana is right. i think what he is saying is they vote. at the very least you have to acknowledge who that person is, where they are, and speak to them. >> the issue has already coddled them immensely by wrapping them in this notion of the demonization, i mean, so many americans would think of immigration and think of somebody getting murdered by an immigrant. but that is not the core of our relationship with immigrants in this country. and the right has made it that. >> yes, but the most important word that you said right there is made. because they made it that. because they solidified this falsehood, you have to at least address it and try to start solving for them. >> and you understand how people are scared? >> but who is scared? white people? >> white people. >> but we are continuing to be asks to be sensitive to the fears of white people? that are not real fears. >> it does not matter if they are real fears. they vote. >> i guess it is my question. >> genuine human empathy is being considered anybody's peers. >> i think we are trying to do empathy but also cold calculus about getting their votes. we are trying to disabuse them of the lies and ways that damages them in terms of their sense of security and sense of self. but before we get back in, i just want to ask what does it take to coddle the abstract montana and that is afraid that someone in mexico is coming over to take their job? >> there is a community i know in wyoming. they had no people from south america. all of a sudden they had 12 people. this was a huge change for them, and everybody, all of a sudden they had to teach esl. >> great, and guess what? that town in montana or wyoming had jobs for those people. >> they absolutely did, and those people added to the jobs and there were not people to do the jobs they were doing. all that is good stuff. i am just saying the change, the challenge makes people uncomfortable. i am wondering before we take them head-on if there is a way to talk to them. in an understanding way. >> last point. >> this is bigger than the immigration. because this is the republican pattern. create a fear that is not real, pass legislation that only harms other people, then the fear stopped because it never existed. and they think they won. they have done it with abortion, they have done it with lgbtq, trans people. there's kids who are pooping and cat boxes in schools! no, there isn't. if they were kids pooping in cat boxes in schools, high school kids would have put it on instagram. so, to me, it is a microcosm of the playbook and how do we dismantle that playbook to stop having that fear, and stopping the bs around it? >> we have to go to commercial, but i don't actually think you and steve disagree. i don't. >> no, i am not prioritizing the feelings of white so we do disagree. >> but i think that all steve is trying to say here is these people and their fears, he is not saying let's appeal to them. but if we simply ignore it then we are sending this people into trump's arms. >> we can practically see the statue of liberty when we walk outside this building. we are supposed to be a nation that welcomes immigrants. i mean, none of us were born here, right? but now we have this very hateful, xenophobic approach to a certain kind of immigrant. it is disgusting, and the notion that we should kowtow to the fears that have been grading these people. >> i am not saying you are kowtowing to anything, but if you don't at least speak to that person you are sending them into the arms of donald trump and going wild are that these people voting for donald trump? because they are getting it to work. and i am not saying they should be coddled. i am saying shouldn't we at least acknowledge them and get a basis of truth back to the center? >> this is part of what we are talking about when the new york times does what is going on in the world? we ask trump voters. they don't care, we don't care what they think. we don't have to be constantly checking in with what they think. >> i also think it is the responsibility of white people to educate white people. it should not be placed on lichen brown people and immigrants. >> i would like to know what it would take to achieve the persuasion that immigrants are not so scary. i would like a practical proposal before i decide to sort of center the feelings of people who are fed lies. >> what if you didn't reject the fears? and by the way, i am wanting to correct the record. i'm not talking about coddling the fears of white people. i feel like there 20 a black and brown people concerned about immigrants coming over the border, taking their jobs. >> no one is taking anyone's jobs, we have a labor shortage. you have been there could be a rainbow coalition of people who believe that there isn't. >> i think we acknowledge the people have a right to have fear and be concerned, and not dismiss those fears. >> besides the four of you, someone else is screaming at me and it is the producers. we have to go to a commercial. there's five people yelling. when we return, the last four years have been great for the wealthiest americans. so i want to know why so many of the richest of the rich are opening their wallets, their hearts, their minds, and buying into his propaganda and pushing donald trump. i need some answers to this. and later, phenom caitlin clark gets hip checked and starts a bigger conversation about women's basketball when our nightcap and the 11th hour continues. s. no other complete hiv pill uses fewer medicines to help keep you undetectable than dovato. detect this: marnina learned that most hiv pills contain 3 or 4 medicines. dovato is as effective with just 2. if you have hepatitis b, don't stop dovato without talking to your doctor. don't take dovato if you're allergic to its ingredients or taking dofetilide. this can cause serious or life-threatening side effects. if you have a rash or allergic reaction symptoms, stop dovato and get medical help right away. serious or life-threatening lactic acid buildup and liver problems can occur. tell your doctor if you have kidney or liver problems, or if you are pregnant, breastfeeding, or considering pregnancy. dovato may harm an unborn baby. most common side effects are headache, nausea, diarrhea, trouble sleeping, tiredness, and anxiety. detect this: you could stay undetectable with fewer medicines. ask your doctor about dovato. craig here pays too much for verizon wireless. so he sublet half his real estate office... you could stay undetectable with fewer medicines. 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>> the corporate tax cuts are going to be on the table in 2025. if you end up supporting trump you are most likely to keep those corporate tax cuts and lower tax brackets, because, by the way, i don't think trump is going to address the deficit at all, either. the record shows that perhaps some of the fiscal spending had a part in the inflation, but it was more about supply shocks, the inability to get stuff into the country, the reduction in the ability to spend on services, so all this money to buy patio furniture and stuff like that, all of the sudden that shot up and all of a sudden we had problems with some food distribution. and that has come off in a very big way. there has been extraordinary progress on the inflation rate but has not brought down the inflation level. and don't overstated, biden has plenty of very, very wealthy supporters. but you are right to point out how extraordinary it is that some of these folks, especially in tech land, are the ones who are out there saying i am going to vote for trump or support trump. and to read, for example, david sachs tweet today on the economy is just to be amazed that a guy with that much money . >> here's the thing. i get that inflation is difficult. these people who are now supporting donald trump have had extraordinary, extraordinary last few years. bill ackman this week, what is it announced? he is worth $8 million. think of everything president biden has done for electric vehicles. a huge win for elon musk. yet they are railing against this disastrous economy, when it has been a perfect one for them. >> i think, first off, taxes, let's start with that. and then get to realizing that for these guys, in silicon valley especially, shame feels like a market inefficiency. wait, hold on, if i don't have to care about the judgments of people who are paying attention to the news, maybe i can do the thing that donald trump offers uniquely, in my memory, of american presidents. which is the ability to dictate actual policy. the ability to get favors. i feel like this is the other part of the trump administration that goes underrated because we are talking about the bed of nails that is every single scandal. he is for sale. look at the adelson family. go down the risk of donors and what you get. if you are tech billionaire, ceo, philosopher, king. that is what these guys want to be. they know better. they may think trump is an idiot, and i think they do, but they also think they can puppeteer hemenway's, and they can help run the country. and that is something that joe biden does not offer them. >> the white house is for sale. and in some way, is this like re-creating putin's oligarchs, but here? >> you know, i have been listening to you, and i can't believe we are here, again. and a real chance that he might win. and something i've read the criminologist talk about, the reason why jail does not work as a deterrent. because a lot of people do a stint in prison and they come out and they go oh, i can do that. now i'm going to go back to the street, because that wasn't that bad. and for a lot of people they are like we survived trump. it wasn't that bad. covid does not count on his record, for some reason. and they are like we could do this again. and it doesn't make any sense. >> and i get a footnote to the oligarch story? a lot of those guys ended up exiled and dead. i don't know that all the people who are supporting trump understand the final end result of kleptocracy. >> okay, because you are asking for people to have something beyond short-term. >> it works for a little bit. >> but, see, we are talking about hugely successful masters of the universe who believe well, that will never happen to me. you know that is the way they all think. >> i think that is right. they're not thinking it through. i think they are also missing, getting back to the first conversation we had, the essential connection between democracy and free markets. what makes free markets work is the rule of law, and if the rule of law is something that is on the whim of the president you have a real problem with your free markets. >> lizz, let's talk about sort of these loud, influential voices were suddenly backing former president trump. why they would be doing it. i understand, inflation is a really difficult. you want to buy a house, rent an apartment, get any insurance, things are really difficult. but suddenly this group of people backing the former president, it does not really make sense from a policy perspective. why do you think it is happening? >> well, when you look at how many of them are feel adjacent, this is not my will house. but i'd do see and have met and have been hit on by very, very, very rich and powerful men. and all those zeroes don't add inches, and somehow i think they do. and if that stays in the show i am proud of you. >> i promise you it will. >> because honestly, i don't have an answer. >> we are on life. >> is a family show until now. >> but honestly, what is the thing you are missing? what is the emotional thing you are missing? >> you are talking about the intellect of these individuals, and so much of it is about the performance of this analogy that trump offers, the ego. and if you have a massive ego, one of these masters of the universe, wall street, silicon valley, i completely understand why you rock with trump. because that ego seems to be like that is my guy, that's the guy want to be with. >> i am also just not convinced that they actually like him. >> that's correct, they don't. they think he is a puppet. >> i think that they are unbothered by the performance that trump does, which is a key, visceral distinction that i have with these people. but also, i think, what they want is power. trump offers them power. >> these guys right now believe they can purchase a bat phone into the oval office if donald trump wins. and it was funny, somebody on tv said to me the other day, yeah, but what if donald trump turns on them? what if he doesn't deliver than that? he might, though. and joe biden definitively will not. so they will roll the dice. >> i think we make a mistake in this country, that because you made a lot of money here you must be smart about things over here. we do it all the time on cnbc, and it is something that i disagree with. but like we will have a billionaire and asked him what he thinks about healthcare. and unless he made his billions in healthcare i am not really sure i care. >> it's a great point. >> it's interesting, but it is not essential. >> it is interesting as we talk , that the pronoun hymn has been used to bunch. because we've been talking a bunch about men. and even when you said because they make money here they don't do it over there, when you think of somebody who is a billionaire, like the woman who invented spanks. sarah blakely. people are not going to sarah blakely, what do you think about what is going on over there? >> i don't anybody is asking these guys. these guys have realized they can become business celebrities. do you think somebody a year and half ago said what does bill ackman think about anything other than investing? no one asked him. >> but now he is posting tweets. >> it became a twitter personality. so the adrenaline addiction is real. they are all addicted to dealmaking, and now they have become business celebrities. >> this is a part of capitalism. the people who succeeded the most and capitalism must be the most intelligent people in the country. trump succeeded in capitalism. soon enough, he did not. >> he did! he took a big chunk of money from his dad. >> lost a bigger chunk. >> right, we think of him, he is so dumb. he is proof that you can be wealthy and done at the same time. >> is also not a successful business person. everyone is staying right here. when we return, fans love her. but caitlin clark is getting a mixed reception from the players in her first year of going pro. why one foul has people talking when the 11th hour in the nightcap continues. introducing new advil targeted relief. the only topical pain reliever with 4 powerful pain-fighting ingredients that start working on contact to target tough pain at the source. for up to 8 hours of powerful relief. new advil targeted relief. - so this is pickleball? 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and at the time it seemed you guys are being rude and resentful. and no, actually, it is very hard to move from college to the pros in any sport, even if you are, maybe, one of the best, the best college players ever. we are going to do this entirely differently. we are stronger, faster, more experienced. it is going to be hard for you. so slow down, don't think you're going to walk in and take over. >> i have nothing to say. remember how i said that i didn't think rich people should be talking about healthcare? i am pretty sure the economics reporter should not be talking about sports. >> but how is there so much confusion here? suddenly the wnba has all these new fans, and they are watching a game. a game, a rough game that is played year after year. but suddenly the first game they have ever seen, the player who they love, they are seeing get pushed around and they are going, i mean, there was a republican lawmaker who was complaining about this. where you are going this is just how the game is played. >> yeah, would they feel that way if it was angel reese who got knocked to the ground like that? no. >> she did get knocked to the ground like that, and nobody cared. this is the other part of the story. sports are supposed to be fueled by hatred. by bad blood. by feuding. this is stuff that is great. part of the reason why i want to buy stock, business metaphor, buy stock in the nba is because people are actually invested in it emotionally, and that comes from having bad blood. the thing that is dystopian, lizz, which movie you can appreciate on this level, too. >> i love dystopian. >> yes, we are talking not so much about the story, and more about how everybody hates everybody else because they see themselves in it. and for me it becomes a culture war story, and when i say it is an endless forever war of a culture war story i mean it is because, in sports, we are still arguing about whether lebron james or michael jordan is better. we have been doing that for decades upon decades. some precincts have been reporting that it is jordan. but the point is this is not a thing that can be solved this positively by play. it is going to be, again, about how you feel. and being a minority group in a majority female, black sport that outside of that sport affords you advantages that track with the money and the attention and the privilege, it is like it is fair to object to all of this and it is fair to also say you are making too much of it, because isn't she just a basketball player? >> and this i will also say. i think it is also fair to say that caitlin clark knows the game that caitlin clark is in. caitlin clark is not saying anything. it is like taylor swift, when the whole taylor swift beyonce feud was happening, they were both like there ain't no feud. this happens in this sport. i just feel like caitlin clark is not screaming. there is a whole lot of pundits speaking, there is a whole lot of things. and what you said is real. >> the pundit point is important. because race is always a part of sports, we don't always talk about it, but it is always there. and not just what happens on the floor, but also because the vast majority of people who cover sports are white, and male , and generally they are covering, especially in basketball, covering a lot of black people. so, in this situation you see the white girl who is supposed to be the new star, who is changing everything, and she gets thrown to the ground by somebody. the white pundits especially are like oh my god, how could you do that to her? >> but it is not just about race. it is a lot about the fact that these sports analysts are men. as i have seen black sports analysts this week go on and on, shocked by this saying these girls out there are being mean girls to each other. in the same sports analysts watch football year after year, they watch rookies get the crap kicked out of them going that is on the game is played. but when it comes to women doing it they are like look at these mean girls up in here. and that is bull -- nonsense. >> and i agree with you. overwhelmingly it is not that the rest of the wnba is jealous and deceiving like this is a high school cafeteria over caitlin clark. but there are a couple of people who feel that way. if you were to tell me watch this clip of angel reese celebrating caitlin clark falling to the ground i can't convince you objectively that she is not taking some enjoyment. now, does that rise to the level of jealousy and mean girl stuff? i am not going to categorize it as such. but i believe in that he and bad blood can coexist. it is just a we over characterize it as this is a sport where this should not happen, all sports are fueled by this. >> this is my observation. i want to know if this is true. is less contact countenanced in the wnba than the nba? 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>> i wanted to go in a different direction. corey harris, who became viral out of driving to his resume hearing about driving with a suspended license. >> hold on, walk us through. because people are not going to know this name but everyone saw this video. >> he drove to his resume hearing with the judge on his suspended license hearing. and everybody is like oh my god, what an idiot. and surely he made some bad decisions. and it came out that he has actually never had a driver's license. but the end result of all of this is that he ended up in jail for a nonviolent offense. he was not even intending to hurt anyone, and it is easy to look at an individual and say you should have behaved differently. more important to look at the systems and the institutions and say you should behave differently. why are we using jail as a corrective for something like this? a nonviolent offense like this? we are over incarcerating nonviolent offenders way too much in this country. and this is a prime example of somebody who should not be in jail. there are many, many other ways to make the situation work. >> cindy eldon is the clerk for esmeralda county in nevada. and she is undergoing a withering criticism at a recall petition. she is a republican from supporter, and there are people in that county the believe that there was problems with the election because trump only one of the county of about 700 people by 82%. and this wonderful story in the new york times about this clerk who is being criticized by her neighbors and all the people she has known for life is a reminder that democracy is not a mountain. it is not a building. it exists because of local officials, and the reason why the 2020 election was not overturned is because of these actions by these local officials . these people, i think, democrats, republicans, non- partisans all our heroes that make democracy still exist in this country, and don't take it for granted. >> and i am on a bipartisan crusade of my own. >> good luck with that. >> red panda is somebody that you may know if you have seen a basketball game. she happens to be the greatest halftime performer of all time. red panda is the older chinese woman and immigrant to this country who gets on a unicycle, elevated many feet in the air, balances holes on her foot, and kicks them off to her head repeatedly. and the crusade i launch after watching her perform in game one of the nba finals yesterday is simply this. at the basketball hall of fame has never inducted a halftime performer. it should be red panda, and i want to address america, the world, on my various social media platforms i have a change.org petition. this is a real thing. all of you guys at this table need to sign it. i am begging you. we need to demonstrate that this person, read anda, is a part of history and should be remembered to me as such. >> right on. we are ready to sign it. my mvp, the families from the sandy hook elementary school in newtown, connecticut. if you remember, talkshow host alex jones spread lie after lie of what happened in that elementary school in connecticut. the families of those children, those five and six-year-old children who were killed sued this man for defamation and they won nearly $1.5 billion in damages. but all sorts of cynics out there, me included, thought they are never going to see the money. a guy like this is going to move his assets, put them under family members names or friends, it will never happen. on thursday, yesterday, alex jones filed for chapter 7 bankruptcy, basically liquidating all of his assets. why? 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