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Transcripts for MSNBC Prime Weekend 20240604 21:08:00

invalidate the results. does that sound familiar? he ran around afterwards saying it was rigged. take a second to imagine what it would look like if nikki haley or someone else actually were to start beating donald trump for the nomination this year. if we started seeing some surprises, right? that has happened before in american politics. it is almost impossible not to imagine a situation in which you end up with a scene that looks like january 6th outside the republican national convention. right? if trump starts losing, what is going to happen? play that out. they all have, they all understand what they are dealing with. it s under those conditions. those are the conditions under which we are having this contest, this election for the republican nominee. whatever happens on monday in iowa and later in new hampshire and south carolina and super tuesday, you just cannot separate trump s performance from these ever-present, deeply ominous, anti-democratic

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Transcripts for MSNBC Prime Weekend 20240604 21:10:00

i remember something alex vindman once told me after his testimony. when we are comparing notes about how he wished more people had testified in trump s impeachment, he said, miles, intimidation works. and he is right. it works. and they know it works. trump knows it works. i was really struck by something, chris, in your opening remarks tonight about how a lot of these votes are facing threats. and they don t talk about it on the record. anwhen i talk to a lot of people who ve been in these circumstances and they don t even go into the detail of how serious it is. i think it is important, though, when people are willing to share those things. i will give you an example, chris. just last weekend, i had to buy another gun. because we are worried about threats from maga stalkers and concerned we have not armed ourselves sufficiently in every circumstance we might be in. and that is years after i came forward against donald trump. and it is still happening. why? because they are so fearfu

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Transcripts for MSNBC Prime Weekend 20240604 21:12:00

it is disruptive, bad for their families. but it s not going to stop them from doing what they are doing. i think there are people in republican politics where it will. i think the romney point about, it i think that again, i don t want to take away from the fact that trump genuinely has this organic, this real appeal. i think he would be probably winning even without this aspect of his politics. but again, this aspect of the politics colors enough that, like, i just think it is difficult to disentangle his ability to reclaim his position as front runner from that force that is sort of just offstage. chris, it doesn t stop people from coming forward. i agree with your point and that folks who ve already come out, there they are out there. but i ve had folks in the backyard sitting around the bonfire that were senior trump officials, who have not come forward, who have said, i just don t know if i want to go through what you guys have gone through. it works. the intimidation works.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Prime Weekend 20240604 21:03:00

enough play. that is the tools of the coercion, the threats of, violence trump and maga movements employ that are constantly shaping the space in which the race is itself contested. i talked yesterday about this, the bomb threat at the home of the judge in trump s civil trial, and how it was not an isolated incident. it wasn t just business as usual. from the maga bomber to the cincinnati fbi shooter, remember that? a guy showed up at the fbi after indictments, the death threats, the fake emergency calls against investigators and prosecutors in the past week. judges, election officials. there has just been a constant stream of threats of violence and actual attempts of violence against people that have tried to hold donald trump to account. the intimidation hangs over all his endeavors, it s a big part of his strength. but the place where this kind of politics is the most effective, the most acutely present is within republican party circles.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Prime Weekend 20240604 21:05:00

do you remember this? we learned this a few months ago. senator mitt romney revealed he had to spend $5,000 a day on protective services, security after january 6th. in fact, as he later revealed to in a biography of romney, one republican congressman confided to romney he wanted to vote for trump s second impeachment but chose notoet out of fear for his family s safety. when one senator, a member of leadership, said he was leading towards voting to convict, the others urged him to reconsider, you can t do, that romney caught someone saying. think of your personal safety, think another. think of your children. the senator eventually decided they were right. this extends past people that are at the upper echelons of political power, past politicians or public officials. more than just and they have been subjected to this. election officials and even rioters, just people with opinions, conservative writer and trump critic david french has recounted how they went after him. in individ

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