we didn t know much about the business at that point. we were pretty naive. going down to the swamp river country some day we kicked around in the l.a. clubs for a while, played the whiskey, played some of the clubs in the south bay area. and nothing really happened for us. jd and i were looking for any place to play. we had heard about this guy jackson brown. he d been playing the same clubs we had but we had never seen him perform. california, mr. jackson brown. thank you. there were a bunch of gigs that they had and some gigs that i had that they would show up at my gigs and me at their gigs. we became really good friends. we started talking about where do you live and what s going on. and jackson said, you know, you should come down to echo park, rent s real cheap. glenn got the apartment next to my apartment. and this apartment cost like $125 or something a month, you know? and i needed to economize so i moved into the basement underneath glenn s place which i co