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Will be a talker about kitchen tables. let me ask about your latest reporting. its on the historians who privately met with president biden about the future of democracy. they met at the white house last week. elaborate a little bit on what went down there. >> this was a meeting that president biden held privately with a group of historians. he was still in isolation battling covid, but the group of historians met at the white house. he joined by zoom. this was a conversation where historians ta...

Reporting and your analysis, susanne craig, pulitzer prize winning investigative journalist for the new york times. now to for the right down with all this mean for trump, legally, lets turn to joyce vance. former uniteds attorney for the northern district of alabama, co-host of the sisters in law podcast. joyce it was good to see you. thank you for being with, us you heard my competition with susanne about why donald trump would invoke the fifth amendment in this trial which is largely about hi...

And theres also the possibility that they didnt believe that their testimony and terminated them. distinguishing them from their father, apparently. >> so obviously there was a lot of people who always there for the last few years, boy who just love donald trump testify under oath, anywhere for anything. because he is such a talker. he is likely to incriminate himself. this seems like the advice of counsel who has said, you are a big talker, you could incriminate yourself, because you talk so mu...

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Think that is sort of the factor that was paramount to what he was thinking about how to handle this. >> suzanne, thank you as always, we appreciate the depth of your reporting and your analysis. susanne craig, pulitzer prize investigative reporter for "the new york times." a further breakdown of what this all means for trump legal limitns lets turn to joyce van, former united states attorney for the districts of alabama and you heard the conversation with susanne why donald trump would invoke...

Will come to some sort of conclusion, either trial, or a settlement. im sure the settlement will be large. but i think that that was sort of the factor that was paramount today when he was thinking about how to handle this. >> suzanne, thank you so much, we appreciate the depth of your reporting and your susanne craig -- pots -- for the new york times. now to for the right down with all this mean for trump, legally, lets turn to joyce vance. former uniteds attorney for the northern district of a...

Not to assert the fifth amendment means that some sort of deal has been shock. we have no indication that there is a form of cooperation going on there in exchange for their truthful testimony. thats one possibility. as suzanne says, that positional amnesia is another. and theres also the possibility that they didnt believe that their testimony and terminated them. distinguishing them from their father, apparently. >> so obviously there was a lot of people who always there for the last few years...

Going on there in exchange for their truthful testimony. thats one possibility. as to the deposition amnesia, that is another. and they may not believe that their deposition testimony incriminated them distinguishing them from their father apparently. >> there is a lot of peoplegu w said the last few years, we wouldas love to have donald tru testify under oath anywhere for anything and he is such a talker andan likely to incriminate himself this. seems like the advice of counsel who has said you...

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