>> hardworking middle-class families are going to see their costs go down. >> will their taxeski go up? >> here's the thing -- >> here's the thing, i listen to these answers a few time before. >> will middle-class taxes go up, will private insurance be eliminated? >> what families have to deal with is cost, total cost, that's what they have to deal with. >> how much are your costs going to goth down? >> how much will your taxes go up? >> it's how much the costs -- it's how much families end up spending. >> i know that argument, but will you pay more in taxes, why don't you want to answer that question? it's a republican talking point, it's not a republican talking points. it's a question. >> it's a question about where people are going to come out economically. >> that's not my question. that's not my question.t' >> sean: even that guy, the guy that gets a thrill up his leg, he has coined the term