that horrific shooting in buffalo, new york, and now we have church shooting here in california. it s unclear exactly how many victims there are. we re waiting for official numbers or the extent of the injuries of these victims. we re told one person has been detained, one suspect is in custody and that a weapon that may have been involved has been recovered. there is a heavy law enforcement presence at the scene. a source out of orange county tells me that this happened at the geneva presbyterian church in laguna woods. you can see the picture of that church of there. my colleague, bill melugin, you know, sent a relative out there to help get this video. you can see that picture there, you have the fire trucks, the officers. obviously, this is going to be an extensive investigation. now again, this happened in laguna woods. that that city is home to a large retirement community. you have a lot of older people who live in this area. the orange county very s office sheriff s
african-americans, it gives them some context. us as americans, as neighbors, as friends, as victims families, it s something that we re expecting to hear, some context as to why. because the ultimate, most digestible answer is the fact that there is abject human evil. jon: yeah. it s demonstrated in these cases. because if you lack empathy and conscience, there s no value of human life at all. and unfortunately, to answer your question, yes, it will continue. jon: i hope as you continue your teaching career will in arizona you can inspire a bunch of young people who can prevent maybe more of these from happening down the road. bernard zapor, former special agent in charge for the atf, faculty associate at arizona state university s school of criminology and criminal justice. bernard, thank you. and we ll be right back.