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traffic. people doing last-minute travel to get to their destinations for tomorrow. there are fewer people, however, hitting the roads this thanksgiving holiday, and it's not because of the price of gas. the price of a gallon of gas is actually dropped around 50 cents over the past few months, and if you compare the prices today with what they were at last thanksgiving, gas is still lower. right now we're averaging around $3.50 in the south and east bay per gallon of gas. $3.60. that's a drop of about 15 cents to 20 cents from last year. this according to triple-a. yet, triple-a predicts fewer californians hitting the road this week. 4.4 million are only supposed to be getting behind the wheel. that's about a 4% drop than last -- from last thanksgiving. what gives? well, triple-a believes it's unemployment and cash flow. people with little or no income saving what little they've got by staying home. and in some cases, cancelling their trips so they can stay home, work, and earn that much needed paycheck. >> work has been slow before, and it's good that i have some work. >> you can't go on the road, but at least you're getting some money. >> i wants to go see my mother in fosterville, but i'll be there for christmas. >> if you are one of the more than four million californians driving to moms or whoever's house this week, be careful out there. especially today. progressive insurance company calls today black wednesday because according to their research, they found it almost 24% increase in parking and rearend accidents on this day. it will be out in full force especially on the lookout for people who will be drunk while behind the wheel. reporting live here in fremont, bob riddell, nbc bay area news. >> great job. thank you very much for that. that is a look at the roads right now. we're going to take a look at the things going on in the sky. >> nbc bay area's christie smith live at sfo with a look at how weather on the east coast is impacting travel right here. christie, good morning. >> good morning to you. you know, this is one of those days where you really love living on the west coast. right now there are more than 2,000 flight delays across the country, but thankfully, not very many here in the bay area. loofr people walked in, and you could tell they were pleasantly surprised. we did run into a few, though, trying to get back east, and they were disappointed. >> weather and i think -- >> the carville family was hoping to breeze through on their thanksgiving holiday flight. >> i mean, we got here, and it means it could be canceled. we're hoping to go. >> and it's weather? >> yeah, yeah. >> reporter: at sfo most flights were on time, but travellers showed up early, worried that a storm in the northeast might have a ripple effect here. >> this is crazy ease where i. i mean, yeah, i thought there was going to be a heck of a lot more going on here. >> the busy day actually last friday. that's the new wednesday according to a spokesman. 130,000 travellers passed through sfo that day. today about 120,000 will. >> delays running about 45 minutes. >> security lines are busy, but they kept on moving. the weather-related impact hasn't caused much problem here. >> my son is coming in from the east coast, though, so fingers crossed, we'll see how that works out. >> we have a day of action over a contract dispute. they are not on strike, though they say they could be very soon. sometime this holiday season. not getting any word of flight delays at oakland or san jose, but we are told here at sfo that the parking is filling up. something to keep in mind as you come out here to get away for the holiday. reporting live at sfo, christie smith, nbc bay area news. >> as my grandfather always told us, leave early or be late. >> one of my favorites. all-time classic. >> all right. thanks. now for a look at how the weather is shaping up for this travel day. let's go to meteorologist anthony slaughter. look at that. >> we're taking a look across the eastern seaboard from virginia beach up to maine. these showers are going to continue at least for the next five to six hours. the good news is a lot of the worst travel will be out of here tonight. this is right around noon. you'll see those heavier bands pushing up towards new york city, and that's where we still do have flight delays. minor flight delays, but expecting this to increase through the overnight hours. gusty winds will start to kick in. not only in new york city, but also for jfk after the rain moves out. after about 5:00, 6:00 we're expecting those winds to really start to kick in. that could offer another additional headache for flight delays. here at home we're looking at quiet weather. at least for the time being. we are tracking our own chance of showers in the forecast because of this system sitting off the coast. we'll talk more about what that means for your thanksgiving here in the bay area coming up in just a little while. back to you, guys. >> anthony, look forward to it. >> for more on how all this winter weather on the east coast could impact you, visit our website, nbcbayarea.com and search weather. >> police have arrested a tenant for possible arson following a huge apartment fire in alameda. they believe this one was started intentionally and broke out just before 3:00 this morning and then burned for about an hour. while firefighters were battling those flames, police, they arrested a tenant, and they call him now a person of interest in this fire. one person had to be rescued by the firefighters from up on a second floor, and others literally had to jump. >> i realized the house was on fire, and the window blew out of his apartment. we jumped out over the balcony. we couldn't get down the stairs. >> second floor balcony? >> yes. >> what a wild scene that was. the apartment complex right now being recorded as a total loss. the red cross is on hand currently helping the displaced residents helping to find other places for shelter. >> the teenager who was set on fire aboard an ac transit bus is set to head home from the hospital today. on november 4th prosecutors say 16-year-old richard thomas set sacha fleschman's skirt on fire. fleschman is agender, meaning the teenager does not identify with either male or female, and it had been reported thomas told police he was homophobic. thomas is now facing a slew of charges, including a hate crime and is being charged as an adult, but that could change. just yesterday thomas's attorney filed a motion to have thomas prosecuted as a juvenile, and fleschman and his family are okay with that. >> we're of the opinion that a 16-year-old is still a juvenile, and shouldn't be tried in an adult court. >> he is very remorseful. he is extremely remorseful. he is about as remorseful as a kid can be. >> sacha's father says fleschman could be back at school in berkeley as soon as next week. we have new details this morning on a pretty scary crash involving a san francisco fire truck and a motorcycle rider. the district attorney now investigating this one and expects to file charges against that firefighter who appeared to be driving while intoxicated. we have new video to show you this morning from that crash that happened back in june of this year. you can see the fire truck there entering the intersection of fifth and howard just before slamming right in the jack frazier sending him sliding right across the street. frazier's attorney. frazier's attorneys also say he hopes the incident puts an end to drinking at the firehouse. >> i'm confident this is a very, very small minority. it all has to end, period. >> this week the fire department also handed out suspension notices to five other firefighters involved in that crash. they hold them responsible for quinn's conduct. now the firefighters, they say they plan to appeal those suspensions. san francisco police are on the lookout for the man who threw a woman's belongings into the bay along with a pet carrier with two cats inside. witnesses say they had to hold the woman back from jumping into the water on pier 14 along the embarcadero yesterday. both cats died. animal control has only a vague description of the man, and that description is he is a 6-foot tall white man wearing a black hoody and riding a skateboard. >> we need the suspect. that's who we need. we need his desperately, so we need people to come and tell us anything, even the slightest little thing like i saw a tattoo on his hand or the color of his tennis shoes. >> it is not clear if the suspect knew the woman. still to come at 11:00, today's tough decision for president obama, and get guest what, ladies and gentlemen, has absolutely nothing to do with politics. >> before you head out for black friday or black thursday shopping. a couple of thoughts ahead in business news. >> we're taking you behind the scenes at koit 96.5 where we are about to kick off 24 hours a day of christmas music, sneak peek, and we're going to talk to one of the dj's out here coming up. right now an exclusive investigative unit. the good guess is you have seen a silver truck on the bay area highway. cisco foods, the largest food distributor in all of america this morning, the company right now under investigation by the chp. it is coming after the investigative unit uncovered internal records showing big rig drivers just logging too many hours behind the wheel. federal law limits the number of hours drivers can work to keep tired drivers off the road. insiders, they tell us, the company is now putting process ahead of safety. >> cutting corners. i was trying to get over on the system. always trying to find a way around it. that way we can get the most out of the drivers. >> they can create a hazard and a concern to everybody out there. >> well, cisco says the company right now is extremely focused on safety and has an exetch lear inspection record. tonight at 11:00 the investigative unit shows us just how often cisco's drivers have logged dangerously long days and how it went undetected by law enforcement. that story is coming up tonight at 11:00. we move on to business and tech now. many of you will hit the stores friday or maybe even late thursday night. >> that's right. digging deep in the pockets. scott mcgrew wants to remind all of you not all sales are sales. >> well, good morning, guys. i think most people know this in their head, right? the sales prices are sort of made up, but it bears repeating. some big chains have been caught and sued by the federal government for really just making up the regular price. that sweater that's half off and it's $50 has never been, will never sell for $100. the "wall street journal" ran an interesting article about how sale prices really work at regular stores on tuesday. it's worth looking up. cnet this morning has a blog post out pointing out that some of the televisions for sale are made specifically for black friday. they look very similar to a company's regular model, but they're not. >> you know that. let me point out a cautious -- to be cautious, the number of companies which use cookies to track your shopping habits. many some cases -- and this has happened to me -- long after you have seen your purchase, you see display ads on totally unrelated web sites showing some of the products you were shopping for. you probably noticed this yourself. you look for a flight to new york. all of a sudden, right, there are ads for web sites all about new york. well, this happens with christmas shopping. >> skolt, thank you. president obama just made a tough decision. he had to decide between carmel or popcorn, and he went with popcorn. >> yeah. that's what i was hoping for. >> just moments ago the president picked popcorn to be the national thanksgiving turkey. >> because he is robust. you have to have a big bird you want to eat. >> what about sweet carmel? >> sweet matters. all right. >> however, both popcorn and carmel were pardoned. they came from a small town in minnesota where the turkeys outnumber the people. >> wow. >> popcorn and carmel, they're so happy right now. >> gobble, gobble. >> later, the president will take part in the national hanukkah menorah lighting that celebrates and simulates the lighting of the candle for the first night of the festival of lights. it's the sifrt in more than 120 years that hanukkah has overland with thanksgiving and also won't happen again for thousands of years. this ceremony will take place at the national mall. >> really it's just a beautiful time of year. we have thanksgiving, hanukkah, christmas, and all that good stuff. you know what that means? that means there's a lot of music to go along with it. >> meteorologist christina loren is live in san francisco inside the bay area's official christmas music station. christina, you have a very important job coming up. >> yes, guys. i get to actually flip the switch today with terry king. she's a dj out here and working on the job just just like me right now, and that's going to be at noon today when we transition from rock over to 24 hours a day christmas. >> christmas. >> yes. >> this is a big favorite around the bay area. people get really excited about this. your overall viewership, i guess it's called a little different in the radio world, but your overall listeners increased by 80%, right? >> oh, yeah. they've been asking for the christmas music nonstop, like, every day for the past three weeks. they're so ready. it's a big day for us. we love the christmas music. the bay area loves it. she show up and love to listen to it. it's a holiday season. tomorrow is thanksgiving. it's great. >> you know, it's so cool to listen to christmas music when you are shopping and preparing food or even just traveling tomorrow with your family. that's a great, great thing that you guys offer. tell me a little bit about why you let it go for so long. people just don't want to let it stop all the way through the month of december, huh? >> i mean, it's the holiday season. we like to do it as close to thanksgiving as possible. that's when everybody is ready, and then, you know, we get the call from the big guy. i don't know if you know this or not, but santa claus's favorite radio station is koit. >> oh, my gosh. >> it's quite an endorsement. >> everybody loves the holiday music. it's amazing, and they love the new stuff. they love the old stuff. it's great. it's the holidays. >> yeah. you know, people love koit. anybody who has been in the bay area for any amount of time knows what a great tradition you guys provide, so, yeah, i'm kind of stepping into your world learning about the radio. i get to do some weather out here. otherwise, you know, i wonder whatted is your favorite christmas song, and on that note i'm going to send it back to you. >> oh, i love brenda lee, the classic. you know? >> you know, it might sound strange. one of my favorites is the peanuts christmas. the theme song. >> anthony slaughter, we'll go christmas carolling together, you, christina, marla, and myself? >> i'm down with that. you probably know the mariah carey "all i want for christmas." >> yeah. >> maria everything -- >> is you. and you. and you. >> when i'm cleaning the house or cooking the turkey, making a pie. i love that song. let's talk about some weather. we are tracking showers across the bay area. you can see this aggressive looking system off the coast of california. this is going to offer a few showers. a few here. few. i do think thanksgiving is going to turn out to be very bright. we do have to get through a speed bump as we get through the forecast through tomorrow morning. right now looking pretty good across the board. a few clouds in san francisco, but there are high, thin clouds. we can still see the blue clouds above it, but otherwise a milky looking sky. it will turn more to a cloudy sky in terms of the afternoon and evening hours, and that's when we're expecting a little bit of drizzle in places like san francisco, and even on the peninsula, and this is going to arrive most likely after sunset and then for the first half of your day tomorrow. in fact, here we go. let's put this into motion. you'll see today just ae few high, thin clouds as that system lines up along the coast. tonight after midnight, notice how the system kind of tightens up and a lot of the clouds around kind of move back out into the ocean. tomorrow we'll start the day 6:00, 7:00. we may see a few stray showers, but once we head towards noon and points thereafter, it does look to turn very bright. if you are going to be headed over to grandma's house or wherever you're going to be across the bay area tomorrow, picture perfect weather. i have to say, a boy from boston, this is the kind of weather i signed up for. right? back to you, guys. have a good holiday. >> good living. >> happy thanksgiving, anthony. >> i'm also going to add nat king cole's "chestnuts roasting by an open fire." >> what about elvis. we could go on and on. >> a film that is starting to get some oscar buzz. >> most people are preparing for the holiday season, but hollywood is preparing for the awards season and one local filmmaker is getting oscar buzz. ryan kugler is an oakland native and the director of fruit veil station. it is what happened to oscar grant league up to the moment that he was shot and killed on a bart platform on new year's day in 2009. it's nominated in the spirit award, which usually gets the on car buzz rolling. also nominated, michael b. jordan, who plays grant, and e-mail my diaz, who plays a character named sulfina. >> good movie. very powerful. good luck on that one. a bay area coaching legend is going for another spot in history. stanford women's basketball coach could be getting victory number 900. that is a monumental milestone. stanford all set to play florida gulf coast as part of the hardwood tournament of hope. this is down in puerta villarta, mexico. she took on the purdue boilermakers. only seven other coaches in all of college basketball history have ever reached that 900 win mark. a huge pre-congratulations. >> absolutely. she's a pianist. >> really? >> yes. >> very talented. >> multiple talents. >> they're getting ready for the macy's thanksgiving day parade in the big apple, but why you might not be seeing some of your favorite characters this year. hang tight. we'll tell you why. the giant balloons have to be grounded if the wind is too strong. there's a chance the wind might exceed the limits. all the balloons will still be inflated, as planned later today. no matter what, though, you can watch the entire parade here on nbc bay area. it starts at 9:00 tomorrow morning. >> before we leave, of course, you may have heard about this. want to interject, this is marla and jon's last day with us. their last newscast. of course, i mean, words can't express how much we're going to miss you guys. >> i quickly have to say thank you so much for all the well wishes. i'm going to miss you so much. i'll be back. love everyone here. i'm a bay area girl. the producer adrian, everybody. thank you so much. >> you've been getting misty all day. >> i am such a soft where i. >> we all appreciate it. viewers, anthony, thank you in the booth and everybody here, it's been a blast. love you. appreciate work with youing. >> love you too. it was greats. >> follow them on twitter and find out more. >> next newscast at 5:00 tonight. happy thanksgiving. to those who've waited... worried... poked and prodded... taken risks... and lived in a state of "what if?"... welcome to a new state... of health. welcome to covered california. the place to find quality, affordable coverage. financial help for those in need. and nobody can be denied because of a pre-existing condition. enroll now at coveredca.com or call 1-800-752-6631. it's me, thad. from college. i've had my skin tags removed since then so you can see my eyes now. - oh, you ran the light board at the theater. everyone called you...thad, no nickname. - and you, you were the star the sound of music. - thank you, no everyone thinks of the young nazi boy as the star of that show. ♪ you are one age going on another age ♪ ♪ what's going to happen next a lot of people didn't realize that was the free, unlicensed version. - look, i know it's last minute, but i'm having an epic leap day party this afternoon. - wow, a daytime party celebrating leap day. sounds fun, but i have to work. - hey, liz, new bluetooth? 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StanfordCaliforniaUnited-statesFremontNew-yorkOaklandEmbarcaderoTurkeyFloridaBostonMassachusettsMinnesota is and visitors going to see that inside of the actual museum. he was talking about more and more people as they go through the museum are learning more and more about frederick douglass and the other person that he named. but to say this president -- say this. have me on with the same panel in a few months when we see more an more things this president is going to do for our community, especially hbcus and education. i think you'll have a seriously different tune because this is a president who cares about our community -- >> donald trump doesn't have a plan for hbcu -- >> we could welcome attention on those critical and serious issues. doesn't displace oar replace the fact he's not intimately familiar with these things. i'm glad open to the conversation but wielding bully pulpit in the most visible part of the world have that fumbling toward inchoate knowledge. speaking of frederick douglass as though making contributions now doesn't leave me confidence in the fact that donald trump can tell the past from the present and given the tone and tenor of his presidency, the -- harken back to the times tubman lived. >> why taken out of context paris? >> play the whole tape. it speaks for itself. he was by no means talking as if frederick douglass is alive and well today. >> i heard it right here. >> i was in the room. i understand what he was saying. >> i would come if i was invited. >> that's your problem simone. you should never t. >> don't tell many what i should never do. >> don't turn down a seat at table. >> i do have a seat. >> you don't have. you said if you were given a seat wouldn't go. problem with congressman lewis. said wouldn't invite donald trump to selma. that's a problem. >> real effort connecting to the african-american community. >> start over we didn't hear. >> i don't need donald trump to give me anything. 47-year-old black woman on cnn first and foremost. donald trump needs to talk about real policy and prescriptions for the community. only given rhetoric and not action. can't govern for the next four years like that. have seen nominated betsy devos using charter schools as carrot stick for black communities. seen he's nominated people -- >> black community overwhelmingly supports charter schools. >> nominated jeff sessions who doesn't believe in protecting civil libities of all people. donald trump doesn't care about black people. until he shows me otherwise that's where i am. >> it's unfortunate for you and for listeners to hear that about the president of the united states. for her to say doesn't have a seat at table. >> do you know if -- >> if president obama invited me to table i would be there in a heart beat but never asked. >> here's the problem brother paris. not only did donald trump not want to invite president obama figuratively to seat at table and made it resonant metaphor. this is a man who spent two years of his life waying against the ledge massy and stability of the american presidency and specifically denigrating and humiliating the reputation of president obama, wanting to retroactively abort him in the womb of society. wanting to pretend -- and offended because we push back on donald trump as man manifestly incapable of intalently speaking about about the african-american experience. i didn't interrupt you. donald trump is a man who represents the most antithetical to black intelligence position one might stake out. at this point there's not much sympathy for a man grossly inconsistent and viciously uncomprehending and indifferent to the plight and predicament. >> if you had pushed back on president obama for the past eight years. >> read my book. >> you clearly don't know. >> been very critical of the obama administration. >> one of the many people critical. >> maybe gotten a lot more done. >> i've seen a similar tone. >> one at a time. >> maybe figure out this issue that's going on and carnage in chicago. >> oh, lord. >> true. you know black people live other places than chicago. >> they do but as of right now the problem is in chicago and focus on. i'm glad. >> there's an elective affinity between the black people attracted to trump and mr. trump himself, inability to read critically and be in contact with the information ridely available and not be literate about the context and sophisticated nuanced interpretation of the facts. i wrote a book about the barack obama and politics of race where i appreciated his genius but pushed back on the failures of that presidency to address serious issues including race. if you were converse abt with that literature wouldn't make the ilg noernt state you just made. >> watching you today on the view with the ladies barely getting a word in edge-wise. talking about why you believed this president was elected and you also believed the former president didn't do enough about race. but also talked about the reasons you think donald trump will be bad for race as president. >> absolutely right. donald trump as i said then and thank for that, frairnkenstein s the name of the doctor, not the monster. there was ground swell. renunciation of the ability to be empathetic to black people, understanding that barack obama was worthy of respect. many black people understood if he's not respectful of this man not respectful of african-americans in general but there was ground swell of resentment about a black man in charge. if white america can't love and appreciate barack obama there's not a black man created they'll be attracted to. as affable and genial as one can imagine and despite very low toned in dealings with white america failed to tell them the truth and hold them accountable for the vicious consequences of -- i doesn't inspect him to stand up with a black power sign but deploy the bully pulpit to be as truthful to white folk as black folk. >> farparis what would you say, part of president's counsel now, invited into the room. what do you say? tell him he's sometimes tone deaf and like steve bannon said maybe he should listen a little bit instead of doing all the talking. >> title of this meeting was a listening session. that's what he was doing. what's he's done multiple times throughout the campaign. what i told him specifically today, i said mr. president you have the opportunity to go down as one of the greatest presidents of the united states, especially as it relates to african-american community and fragile communities across the country. there are things you can do right now if you get it right from day one. speaking of pre-k to 12th grade and school choice and public education, you can be a hero to a huge swath of america if you support historically black chejs and universities and programs that support it, pell grants and plus loans and issues. >> do you think it would help if he understood the history of black america? >> i think the president does understand the history of black america. reason he has listening sessions is to understand greater about the totality of the american experience and whole cross section of people which includes african-american community. he's not just the president like about president obama, not president of black people but all americans. this is unique for him to get it right. stay tuned. this president is going to do significant things this month and throughout his presidency. this panel doesn't want to hear it. >> simone. >> donald trump had listening session today with his staff and campaign volunteers. >> that's not true. factually not true. >> we need real engagement and surrogates. real engagement and plan. i will extend donald trump the same courtesy he's extended women, people of color in this country. latinos, asian-americans, disabled community. he has yet to show up. i'm not showing up for him. >> thank you everybody. back with breaking news. only at&t offers you all your live channels and dvr on your devices, data-free. it's entertainment. your way. so we know how to cover almost alanything.ything, even a "truck-cicle." 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tried to move 0 other problems like syria, abruptly ended call. told him i talked to a lot of leaders today including vladimir putin, this is the worst call of the day. >> what happened? >> these phone calls happened on saturday. this call took place at end. lot of the facts that greg spelled out cnn has kra corroborated, but haven't corroborated that he talked about electoral gains in the phone call but hostility of it, argument over whether the united states would honor agreement struck when barack obama was president about taking refugees in that are currently in australia into the u.s., we're reporting that as well. >> according to greg, when i asked him and also in reporting, the call lasted 25 minutes, supposed to be longer. i think he said he spoke to four other world leaders that day, the president did, and this call with turnbull was the worst call by far including vladimir putin. >> and had made that comment directly to the prime minister of australia as well. this was a call that ended abruptly. what is really shaking about this call you know is the fact that australia is considered one of the united states's most reliable allies. someone the united states often turns to for intelligence gathering and vice-versa. to be alienating somebody like australia at a time when there's so much turmoil in the world is confusing to say the least. >> thank you mark preston. bring in sarah martin from australia. you've been speaking with people. what are they saying about this? >> i think there's absolute shock and confusion, particularly in recent minutes with donald trump tweeting he will look at this dumb deal to take refugees from australia to the united states. all day it's been on again, off again arrangement. just two hours ago the u.s. embassy here in canberra confirmed the deal would go ahead, had the confirmation from the state department and white house but two hours later the u.s. president is tweeting he will look at this dumb deal and cast doubt on the arrangement. lot of confusion here. prime minister has certainly assured the people here that the deal will go ahead. says he has that assurance from the president himself. but i guess what we're seeing today is lot of chaos coming out of the united states and lot of subsequent uncertainty about the agreement that apparently was made between the two leaders over the weekend and bigger question of course what this means for the alliance. very dependable alliance. australia has been in every war with the united states since the second world war. based on shared values and commonalities and common interests. we have u.s. marines based in northern australia. seems extraordinary that this alliance would be so rocky so early on in the new president's term. makes you wonder how some of those other fragile alliances will go. it's just extraordinary, extraordinary thing to watch. >> it is. specifically though saying this was even worse than the call with vladimir putin, how is that playing there? >> look, think we're probably a little offended. it is extraordinary that the australian prime minister would be placed in that category and sledged in that way. and extraordinary still that details of that conversation between two world leaders would leak in such an extraordinary way in the u.s. it's quite staggering, there is no suggestion that the prime minister wasn't also forceful in the conversation and appeared until moments ago the conversation had allowed australia to secure the agreement with donald trump. it may have been a robust conversation but until today there was not much doubt that the deal would still go ahead. now the whole lot seems to be in disarray and lot of uncertainty about what will happen next. given it's changing by the hour, it's hard to keep up. >> deal was whether the u.s. would honor pledge to take 1250 refugees. he called it worst deal ever. then reportedly saying that australia was seeking to export the next boston bombers. stand by sarah, bring mark back? >> i'm from boston. >> interesting for -- with ally to use that language. >> specifically talking about a terror situation that was really gruesome and symbolic in many ways during -- obviously during the boston marathon. but very symbolic of an attack on the united states because of where it took place, at the time it took place and fact that donald trump would use this kind of language again with one of our top allies is it puzzling. >> what is the overall reaction in australia to donald trump becoming president of the united states? >> look, think we're seeing some of the similar trends in australia. certainly not to the same extent as has been seen in the u.s. but there is the rise of populist protectionist parties in australia as there has been in europe and in britain of course and in america. so personally i wasn't as surprised as some of my colleagues. but i think the general reaction was what on earth will this mean. as conversation has been progressing, as it has in the u.s. for you guys, sort of a case of wait and see what this means for the alliance. wait and see what he does once he comes to office. these past nine days i think has given us here in australia a taste of what it may mean and there are some big issues in the asia pacific region that are going to have to be negotiated with the new administration and australia, south china sea tensions for example is one that is going to have to be delicately negotiated and u.s. and australia's role in the alliance and alliance with japan is critical. so if we're having this sort of fallout over an agreement that as far as australia was concerned was locked and loaded, it is concerning to say the least as to what is to come for more high stakes security considerations. >> all right. sarah miller. thank you very much. mark stick around. next more breaking news. tech leaders coming out against president trump's travel ban. i'll talk to one of them. you do all this research on a perfect car, 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to involve not just tech companies but other companies. cpg, consumer product goods and manufacturing companies. don't just want it to be tech versus trump which it's become a little bit but get companies supporting immigration to the businesses and important to the core values of the company. >> we spoke earlier, you said tech companies have to get used to new political atmosphere. do you see this happening given this letter they're reportedly drafting right now. >> yeah. we'll have to up soon. working on the draft company. lot of these people can't agree what they want to have for lunch. it's hard to put a draft copy together. they do realize certain core issues are important to them. when they went to see trump, not just tech companies but others, everybody acquiescent. now been like 18 executive orders many a problem. and strength in numbers? i think they thank. if all banding together, get a better result and make clear to the government that immigration and things like that are important to them. >> i know you have to get this up on your site but can you share a little bit of what it says? do you have it? >> talking on phone. can't look at it. essentially we believe immigration is good, lack of immigration -- cheryl talked about on stage, post on facebook opposing the trump travel restriction and said this is just not good for us. not good for companies, vetting of course is important, safe borders are important but at the same time open -- being able to bring smart immigrants into the country to work and create innovation is important. she pointed out her great, great grandmother was immigrant. sergei -- head of microsoft aimmigrant. head of google. steve jobs' father from syria. trying to make the point of all the melting pots in the country, tech is melting pot but want lots of companies taking part. it's not just a tech problem. it's not don't want to create jobs here but all kinds of innovation has to happen to create jobs for everybody. can't limit it at all in terms of bringing people in. i think that's the focus. >> and this is very important because we've become a tech society and that's where things are going. >> right. >> if you get more information please come back. >> and all will be on the site soon. >> thank you. appreciate it. talk about that and breaking news about the contentious phone call with the prime minister of australia. get the panel in. mark preston is back. kirsten powers and kevin madden. you heard kara discuss this. for as much as we talk about people who feel like the economy has gone past them or not talking about them, we are becoming very tech-driven society. and this should not be underestimated kirsten. >> yeah. i think it's important to remember how many people who as kara was just citing, major figures in the tech industry in the united states and many people we've never heard of are children of refugees or themselves immigrants and have fuelled our tech industry. so i'm not surprised at all that tech industry is speaking out about this. it's obviously one of the most influenti influential industries in the country so think it's meaningful. >> to kirsten's point. tech industry is like a lot of business. things they really need to thrive are stability and certainty. what you saw with the way that the executive order was implemented was a lot of instability and chaos. that's why they felt this need to speak up. and folks have been wary in the new environment of speaking out alone. so banding together and finding strength in numbers is something where they feel a little bit more comfort. other part of this don is the need for so many of these companies to talk about their values. in many ways if you look at details of the executive order, may not be affected wider on the issue of the visas for high skilled tech workers but the values they want to put on display for their customers, standing up against something they think is wrong and not consistent with american values is also an important message they want to send to consumers and public writ large. >> and listen, not to downplay again the importance of what this means to the economy. mark zuckerberg and twitter founder and -- wealthiest people not only in america but the world. >> no doubt about it. and kevin is right, it's about values. the tech company is established now, younger people. not older folks doing it. and seeing change in ow our political class is now created. not just democrats and republicans but younger people now going into the middle and not necessarily grasping onto the uber conservative values. gay marriage and others as well. it is interesting to see they're coming together. be interesting to see if donald trump actually listens to them. >> interesting. speaking of the president. turn now to the phone call with the prime minister of australia. what does that tell you about -- this reporting in the "wall street journal," the temperament of the president and way he approaches diplomatic duties. >> no news in temperament, we saw in the campaign this is something who can be pugilistic to put it lightly and believes in instability, creating it that somehow keeping people he's negotiating with on their toes is to sort of create unstable environment. so i think that -- said before, i'm puzzled by the approach of alienating friends and saying nice things about people who are very anti-american. and donald trump doesn't seem to have considered what is going to happen when he may actually need some of these people in the future. he has this idea that somehow america first and america alone almost. >> kevin when we spoke earlier you said he's not going to change. people expecting that are going to be highly disappointed. maybe not a surprise because saying going to pivot and everyone saying that, not happened. what does it say about his temperament, this phone call? >> i don't expect the white house or president trump to walk fwrak this. if anything they believe moments like this are a time to reinforce the message they carried through the campaign and reason he is now president trump an not a losing candidate. kirsten talked about it. come out tomorrow and say yes, president trump is unapologetic about putting america first and talking to even our allies about how strongly he feels about the refugee crisis and potential threat it presents to americans. they're going to -- his style is double down and reinforce the message that put him into the oval office so he's making that call in the first place. >> other news to talk about iran's recent missile test. michael flynn responding to that today. >> the trump administration condemns such actions by iran that undermine stability, prosperity and security throughout and beyond the middle east and places american lives at risk. president trump as criticized the agreements between iran and obama administration and united nation as weak as ineffective. instead of feeling thankful iran is feeling emboldened. as of today officially putting iran on notice. >> strong language. was that right move? >> we don't know what it means. stated on air earlier today by former general. no diplomatic cables sent to iran but just a press release and press conference. in many ways creating situation like what barack obama did talking about syria in 2012. >> red line. >> correct. said if uses nuclear weapons cross the red line. what that means is barack obama was going to send troop nooz syria and use militaristic muscle and never did that. people thought he was weak because of that. by drawing their own red line are they boxing themselves in? >> and iranian president criticized president trump's travel ban or executive order as they've said both. u.s. has walked on all international principles and communities. what do you think? and commitments. excuse me. >> look. i think it's incredible. what donald trump has done, i do think you can be getting that kind of criticism. it just shows how what he has done even is recognizable not just to americans but to people all over the world as being un-american and not what this country stands for. again this seems to be what he wants to do. but i don't know what the end game of it is in terms of destabilizing all our relationships with people who are our friends and sending message to the world we're not a beacon of hope anymore. >> thank you everyone. coming back, outrage over the president's executive orders shows no signs of dying down but talk to surprising supporters of the ban next. have conquered highways, mountains, and racetracks. and now much of that same advanced technology is found in the audi a4. with one notable difference... ♪ the highly advanced audi a4, with available traffic jam assist. ♪ i checked, everything's there... wait a minute... hey... hold on, i can explain. you better have a good answer... switch to geico and you could save a ton of money on your car insurance. why didn't you say so in the first place? i thought you's was 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the ban on immigration from countries where terrorism is coming from is a good thing. it's to protect american people and that's the president's job, protect america first and not that we don't care about those people. we do care about those people but we need to help them in their homeland. we do not need to be bringing them here. if you look at europe, europe is in chaos and european leaders basically invited it in when they allowed all these syrian refugees and immigrants that cannot be vetted. >> terri, i have to tell you we have different immigration policies than europe but i do appreciate you being here and stating your opinion, but obama, what he did and what the current president did are are two different things. those were seven countries identified and people traveling to those countries should have got more vetting, not people coming from. it's not the same thing. there's a reason the former president put out a statement. they're not the same thing but scott go on. >> no they're not. >> no. scott you liked president's order so much that you thought about staging airport protest of your own in support of the president. why are you so strongly in favor of this decision? >> sure. number one, this is a campaign promise that mr. trump is keeping to the american people. he said from day one he was going to have extreme vetting. this is exactly what this immigration policy is. but i'm going to disagree with you on one point. it's not only important to make sure that we're vetting people coming from those countries but we need to also vet americans that travel overseas and then come back. because what we've seen is there's potential for people to get radicalized when they're overseas, when it comes to what i'm looking for and so thankful for from mr. trump, he truly is putting the well-being, safety and security of the american people first. it all comes back to the same theme. america first, safety first. i'm so thankful for this policy. >> scott, i think you have a point that it's -- almost all americans care about the safety of our country. many experts said this ban won't make us safer but inspire terrorists and playing into what isis wants us to do. what do you think? >> if i may, we had the former department of homeland security head, tom ridge. he came out in addition to james comey, fbi director. both said that look we cannot properly vet refugees coming from syria completely. so therefore if we can't, we have to keep terror threats from coming to our country. i'm compassionate person, humanitarian and want to take care of as many people as i can but my allegiance is first to the american people. and let me tell you, terri is from ohio, from the rust belt. people in america are having hard enough time paying their bills, feeding their families. terrorism is not something else they want to have to worry about. looking for safety and security. >> do you realize -- anything can happen and 9/11 was horrible but seven countries on that list since 1975, not one american killed by terrorist from any of those countries and chance of being killed by or harmed by refugee is like 3 billion to one here in the united states. do you think that's where our priority should be for something that is at this point maybe led by fear? more than reality? >> no. i don't think so, it is a reality our nation is under attack. we have had several terrorist attacks on american soil in san bernardino. >> from americans by the way. >> that's correct but parents had came here from islamic countries. so the ideology is the problem. ideology, if it's passed on to their children, then they become radicalized even though they live in the united states. they become radicalized and then act upon that terror. that's what we've had. why should we allow people who will not assimilate into our culture, do not agree with us, come into our nation and basically begin to make enclaves into our society, into our -- you know, wanting shariah law in some states and to start to put it into our nation. that's the problem. >> i understand. >> can i jump in. got to get to the break -- >> that's a lot of accusations about a lot of things. people wanting shariah is just not indicate but go on scott. >> play off what terri was saying. >> quickly for time purposes. >> there's a lot of talk about the seven countries. fact of the matter these were proposed by obama administration. and -- >> i just explained that to her. >> terrorist travel act but. >> wasn't a travel ban. >> shariah law is the greatest threat to the world. gay people killed. women are killed and children are raped. greatest threat to the world. 100%. >> thank you both. please come back. >> thank you. coming back, president trump says it's about keeping quote bad people out of this country but is it really playing in isis' hands? get 4 lines of unlimited lte data for 40 bucks each. that's right - all unlimited. all in! and now, for a limited time save more than you pay in taxes 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network in the united states. groups like actions for america that are promoting this idea that sharia law is a threat to the united states and most muslims are adherent to it. this is actually only with donald trump are we seeing this come to light. the ground work has been laid and it is similar to experience theories. 100 years ago they believed they were loyal to the hope and a product of people's anxieties in the changes in the country. >> they said it's the same as president obama did and it's not. >> no. president obama increased the vetting and slowed down the number of iraqis coming in, but iraqis were still coming in in 2011. he never had a blanket prohibition from a single country. >> it's important to hear from trump reporters and conservatives and people who live in other parts of the country rather than the coasts. how do you get the facts to sink in because we want people to make decisions based on having are the facts and being educated voters. >> yeah. i think this is a problem. it plays into the fake news side of it. where are you getting your information from? what are your sources? it's a real problem because if the american public doesn't have the right information, then they are going to support policies that maybe are unwise or not prudent. >> did you get to sit and listen to the supporters? i would love to have them have a conversation about this. what did you think of the conversation when i wanted to -- you wanted to say that's simply not true. they just don't believe it. >> well, i think obviously the sharia part is the part that i sort of didn't agree with as much. the angst and the anxiety and the concern is very legitimate. there is a real debate to be had among people who are inform and have a legitimate difference of opinion. whether or not this is a smart policy. look, the roll out of this, we will call it a travel ban, was horrific. it was problematic. there is a real debate as to whether or not we should have a pause and go to this extreme vetting. i don't think it's absurd to think we need to be careful about who is coming here including refugees which i know we want and need to be compassionate, but we need to be cautious and prudent. >> i don't think people will disagree that we should be safer and we can always have better ways of vetting people. i think the issue is number one, the weight was rolled out and whether people are basing their opinions and judgment on this on reality. do you think that this is a good policy? >> the number of middle eastern refugees who have killed americans on american soil is zero. zero. it's not to say there is not a threat. there is a threat, but the threat -- >> from those seven countries it's zero. >> from any middle eastern country and jeff gees. mostly saudis and egyptians. they are not on the list. yes, there is a threat, but the threat is being massively exaggerated. the irony is that we increased the threat when we do things that make it easier for isis to radicalize people in the united states and outside. >> even if you want to be as strict as possible on the security side, almost all the experts are telling us you are increasing the threat because you are stigmaizing muslims and making it easier to be radic radicaliz radicalized. >> you have to be clear if you are the trump administration and this is where they have been irresponsible. and they have to be precise and say this is not a muslim ban. they haven't been precise. you can make an argument with anything they can do to protect ourselves is actually radicalizing more people. you can say having drones creates more terrorists. you have to base your opinions or judgments on reality. you have to reaffirm and watch and read news outlets and papers that you might disagree with. that's it. my work is done here. i will see you back here tomorrow night. good night. 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