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Can have both deep learning and deep thinking and also healthy lifestyle. >> reporter: one of the experts? author alfie kohn. >> this reflects the sort of thing you would expect to see in a bad corporation. instead, it is imposed on teachers and children. >> reporter: psychologists says american kids are terribly stressed. >> kids are looking to achieve a goal without thinking about the process of getting there. in other words, let me get a good grade or high test score, but what about learning ...

>> if you can measure it, then you can assign a value to it. a lot of what we do isnt measured on a test, so were all kind of curious how that will pan out. >> your test score, i think that really doesnt have any bearing on your quality of life, except for the paycheck that someone might attach to that later. its very hard to quantify in terms of what we do in the long term. >> kids, after they graduate, they can do some internships and have some really decent-paying jobs pretty quickly. >> norm...

What you need there is to engage the students, you need to be interesting, high energy, and you need to have discipline that. doesnt cost money. thats free. you bring that in. and all i keep hearing these people say is, we need more money, we need more money. look, on long island where i live, elderly people have to sell their homes because they cant afford the property taxes. this is insane. all right? so put every american school, public school kid in a uniform, number one. and impose discipli...

Theyre disputing the analysis the "l.a. times" did with regard to the figures. having said that, the unions have been protecting the bad teachers. >> i think both of those things may be correct. i think the unions are objecting to the way the "l.a. times" reported and the methodology it used. i do agree with charlie -- welcome back to planet earth, charlie. >> thank you. back to planet epstein. >> the test score are a crude measure and shouldnt be the only measure. for all of you people who love...

>> i agree that there are major problems with unions protecting teachers who are not doing a good job. i agree we need reform. i think the democrats have not taken the lead on this the way they should have. thank god we got a president that has the guts to stand up to the unions and say we need real reforms. >> cheryl: charlie, i want to go back again to the money. i wonder at the end of the day, not only do we win by this data we got from the "l.a. times" because we find out students, some are ...

Need to do? lets start thinking about this and go back to the basics with our critical thinking skills. >> i think youre right on the money there. i think so much focus going to a simple test score, kids are many k cramming these answers in their head. great point you make. appreciate you back here. >> dave, appreciate you guys, too. im a big fan. thanks so much for having me. >> coming up, head to head to the man who could have been president. former congressman j.d. hayworth wants to take mcca...

Making better teachers, which im all for and so on, but if we looked at what constitutes learning, its basically about passion. its not about rote. rote is the killer, and if anything we could change in education would be what i would call the death of rote because we get children to memorize things because we can test that, but we dont want a learned society, and all due respect to korea we dont want to emulate them. we want a creative society. we want a society where kids know how to think on ...

Teachers doing well, but you know, you have a test score every sing is week. its number of magazines sold. these guys have test scores, number of people watching. we all have test scores and our kids, when people complain about high stakes tests, our kids have some really high stakes tests that nobodys willing to talk about. theyve got to decide who to hang around with. there are bad kids out there with weapons and guns. they have to decide about premarital sex and when to get married and when t...

You wouldnt have a computer looking at the test score. >> its in favor of the liberals on this one. >> one of the ways you have more competition is the transparentsy and accountability and you have parents who are able to evaluate teachers based on the performance. this will show which teachers are good and arent. >> i dont think it works. rod page is all of a sudden becoming education secretary and we say hold on. they were cheating. thats what happens. there is no way to come up with a system....

School closings, budget cuts and student protest. were digging deeper in these stories in the cnn "newsroom" for you. weve invited superintendent of schools, nancy grasmick. schools there are doing well because theyve made educational funding a priority. good to have you on the program. i wasnt aware of this until someone from the team made me aware of it that just last year education week ranked your states education system as number one based on -- were talking about test score, graduation rat...