great point. it really does seem like all roads back when it comes to the january 6 insurrection, all roads lead back to mark meadows. everything we talk about, all the evidence that comes up, all those text message exchanges, all of the people that were surrounding the former president, everything leading back, it seems, to mark meadows and what he knew when. atima omara, thank you. charlie sykes, thank you as well. great conversation, guys. coming up, everybody, residents in bucha, ukraine, had to flee their homes in minutes, leaving much of their life behind. now some are going back to find the town completely decimated. i don t understand. it s really quiet. i don t unde. it s really quiet. our commitment to you is clear. save money. live better. offer low prices every day, without sacrificing quality. by delivering fresh groceries you feel great about serving.
authenticated by the new york times, these text message exchanges from the two republican lawmakers were sent in the weeks leading up to the capitol attack to then chief of staff mark meadows. they talk about support for trump s efforts to overturn the election and remain in power until ultimately, backing off when they realized his claims were baseless. nbc s allie raffa reports from capitol hill on this. reporter: well, yasmin, over the last few weeks, we have learned of several texts between former white house chief of staff mark meadows and people inside former president trump s inner circle, people like his own son, donald trump jr., justice clarence thomas s wife, ginny thomas, talking about efforts to overturn the 2020 election, but now because of these texts, we re learning from several gop lawmakers about just how invested they were in trying to overturn the election. two of these specifically are senator mike lee and congressman chip roy, and it s important to note that b
violent elements of organized groups like the proud boys and the oath keepers and others, they need to be held responsible because they were absolutely preaching violence, and the violent overthrow of a free, fair, accurate election.free, fair, accurate election. in a way, it is easier to make choices to hold the leaders of the proud boys accountable, especially because of what they stand for. but a what about the kevin mccarthys of the world, what about the jim jordans of the world, what about the former president of the united states who may very well run for president yet again? jim jordan, if, in fact, republicans win back control of congress may very well be the head of a committee. considering his involvement in the lead-up to january 6th, those text message exchanges that we now know happened, that s troublesome to a lot of folks. yes.
was a controversy around that. that was looked into both by the prime minister s advisor for ministerial standards and also by the electoral commission because it had been funded by, or helps to be funded by, a tory donor. in the course of those investigations, what has emerged now i these text message exchanges that had happened between borisjohnson and the donor. at the time boris johnson didn t know it was the donor himself he was providing the money, rather than just putting together some sort of trust. but in those exchanges boris johnson some sort of trust. but in those exchanges borisjohnson asks some sort of trust. but in those exchanges boris johnson asks for exchanges borisjohnson asks for some more money to do more work on the flat, and then says, i am on the flat, and then says, i am on the great exhibition idea, will revert shortly. what that is being picked up for is the idea that there is some sort of quid pro quo going on here that borisjohnson worked
trial, but if convicted, yeah, he can go to trail. but they ve said a lot already. just from what he s turned over, they have a lot about what he knew and what donald trump was doing and they re also going to third party providers, cell phone companies, to internet companies to find out what else was going on. what would be the value of not testifying after your halfway there and you ve submitted all of this paperwork that shows everything that you ve done? they re guilty. and he may this is what he turned over and it s pretty disturbing. somebody who sat in a chamber and seen those text message exchanges as 187 minutes went by and the president did nothing, what privilege is he holding back? and the second question is what was donald trump doing or not doing at the time? he certainly does not want to tell us that. congresswoman, curious what