just want to pick up on yamich 's excellent point, becaus trump has not had to pick lane politically but i do thin he is going to - legally. trump has been threatening prosecutor after prosecutor fo years with all of this talk. but now he's really kind of me his match. he's got one district attorney in new york who's alread indicted him, bragg. he's got a new york attorney general, who's got a 250 million dollar civil sui against them he has e. jean carroll wit another case that's about to g to trial against him he's got the - georgia district attorney fani willis, and he's got jack smit with two separat investigations and so - and these do seem to be moving forward, and particular th classified information one, an which we can talk about it a minute - i do feel like it's headin toward a possible indictment with respect to fundraising, that is an adjunct of th january 6th investigation. obviously, the serious crime being investigated, the most serious crimes, are thos
justice said it will ask the supreme court to block tha ruling meanwhile, down in florida lawmakers just passed -- florida! -- a six-week abortion ban, sending the bill to th governor, ron desantis, wh says he will sign it neal katyal we still with us and so is juanita tolliver msnbc analyst and host of th what today podcast neal - how might this play out at the supreme court? >> - as early as -- dueling rulings, one from th fifth circuit saying the 201 regulations -- down there's a judge in washingto state who is saying, no, the fda must have those very sam regulations. and so the justice departmen is going to the supreme cour and saying, first of all, tell us what judge to follow, and second, eliminate the -- this lawsuit and these
involving what happened and th attack on the capitol and di trump and his inner circle hav anything to do with it - but as part of it, and we've known this for sometime, smith has been investigating fundraising off of january 6th and the possible lies there to >> i'm very interested in that michael, let's talk about thes documents. because your paper is reportin that investigators are now asking whether or not donald trump was showing people a map with sensitive intelligence on it what can you tell us >> what they're trying - would've peers like they are trying to do is under stand wh it is that he took the documents, why it is that he was holding on to them, what was behind that. >> like, was it truly nefarious, or was this trump just being i shock because he loves his big shiny name on pieces of paper? >> correct when there are these classifie document investigations, the investigators want to know okay, why did this and u outside of these protected channels was it sloppiness? was it -
roll defense, they are mine, they are mine. nobody in their own mind think that these documents - part of the property of th former president they are just can't be - no system of government coul run that way >> but unlike a three year old the consequences more than a timeout. yamiche alcindor, michae schmidt, think you neal, i'm not letting yo leave just yet coming up -- the battle over access to an abortion pill is headed to the supreme court, as a new ban is set to become law when the state of florida and later, a 21-year-old national guardsmen arrested in connection with those leaked documents. but just how is this young man able to gain that kind o access to classified materials clint watts he's here to break it all down. the 11thou hr is just gettin underway on a serious thursday night. safelite came right to us, and we could see exactly when they'd arrive with a replacement we could trust. that's service the way we want it. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪
>> tomfoolery -- >> buffoon every >> something more nefarious? and to understand what he wa doing with the documents gives you some sense of why he had them, if he was showing them off as sort of keepsakes, or trophies, that sort of say something. if he was doing something even more showy about them, o trying to use them to some advantage, that would be different. if he opened up his desk drawe and said, oh, my, i found thes classified documents, i really need to give them back to th national archives, that woul certainly say something in and of itself. so, i think what they ar trying to do is understand how they got to this point how did they get to the fact that his lawyers provide inaccurate information to th justice department about wha documents that he still had -- why was it that they wer misled, and what were th reason that those document left the white house and wen to mar-a-lago. >> neal? >> yeah, that's exactly right.
least four of the base that he has his 30% that is sticking with him - and i don't think it's growing based on the road my reporting on the reporting that we hav seen from these places - but sadly that 30%, they are not saying that you have t pick a lane, they are no forcing him to backtrack in th way that you have to speak about his legal problems or hi political problems, in fac they continue to sort of b with him, as you see a republican party that ha continued to be with him more and more people are jumping into the republica amidation. easy tim scott - senator tim scott -- jumping in, while also still in some, ways backing this ide that former president trump is the victim of this big legal conspiracy theory where th government and all these different das that they are al trying to work against, an because they don't want him to win politically. >> well, doublespeak began wit the straight talk, and the onl reporting we have is the onl person that was crying las week for donald trump is o national tv, and it was lindse graham neal, jack smith is lookin into this fundraising. does that mean he's broadening out his investigation? that's obviously going to be o the documents. >> yeah. and before going to that,
number of other children as you know, the labor department found more than 100 children working for pssi. and now we also know that dh investigating multiple companies tied to th meatpacking industries it's not just as one person. it's not even just as on company. in this case too he did come through the border unaccompanied, which means h went through the hands of th government, from hhs, and then was handed over to a sponsor now is that sponsor able t take care of him if he ends up in the situation he says he lives with relative who is charging him rent this is not uncommon when i speak to a lot of immigration attorneys, they say, this is not uncommon in fact, this is how a lot o people - a lot of children who come her on accompanied - have to work and it is easier under u.s immigration law to come in a an unaccompanied child rathe than to come in as an adult or as part of a family, especiall with - restrictions that are still in place. >> - with his parents, they can potentially work legally here.
want to lose this awful job. is this entire thing a siren call for comprehensive immigration reform okay this young japanese us - and it's business even if they met safety standards, does nee to employ people there is a massive mismatch an a need, and people are getting abused here. >> yeah, that's right, stephanie, i think it's really a siren call for number of systems that hav failed to this young man, and number of other children as you know, the labor department found more than 100 children working for pssi. and now we also know that dh investigating multiple companies tied to th meatpacking industries it's not just as one person. it's not even just as on company. in this case too he did come through the border unaccompanied, which means h went through the hands of th government, from hhs, and then was handed over to a sponsor now is that sponsor able t take care of him if he ends up in the situation he says he lives with relative who is charging him
national archives, that woul certainly say something in and of itself. so, i think what they ar trying to do is understand how they got to this point how did they get to the fact that his lawyers provide inaccurate information to th justice department about wha documents that he still had -- why was it that they wer misled, and what were th reason that those document left the white house and wen to mar-a-lago. >> neal? >> yeah, that's exactly right. that's what i think they are going to be looking at and -- my job before being at the solicitor general's office was national security adviser to the justice department, and can tell, you every day of every week, if someone was showing a classified map t people, they would be -- they'd first asked the question, like - asked a moment to go, in the absence of the most compelling of reasons, they are looking a a jail sentence. that's the way they are -- >> so that's what they are trying to figure out, where hi actions stupid, arrogant treasonous, or evil? is that what we are trying t get out here >> correct and many of those will lead to a jail sentence. if it's inadvertent mishandlin of miss him for information,
looked like, what print outs that were folded up and just walk out of the building >> but what about the fact tha this guy is an i.t. specialist i'm going to say, an i.t expert and our government systems a best are completely antiquated given how fast technology is moving, do we not need t revamp our government systems? >> well, it's a little bit confusing. because there's been man revamps. if you look back to 2017, ther was the reality when our case, very similar in terms of documents removed out of the u.s. government. here we see the same thing happen again and i just think it shows th difficulty when you have a worldwide network. remember, after 9/11, go bac 20 years - part of the reason there was a big move was because it th information was silent people don't have access to th information. so, they didn't know that th 9/11 plot was coming on board. four or five or six years afte that everybody is trying t share information. then you have leaks. snowden, chelsea manning