but they tend to be scandalous. when jurors split the baby in order to get to the end, what you frequently find is that either the verdict on its face looks irrational or whatever guilty verdicts that they decided on in the compromise when you match that up with the evidence in the case, it s not rationale. so it s a scandalous development in the system when it happens. it s rare. but when it happens, it can be really bad and we should be very happy it didn t happen here. you know, given the intensity of the attention to this and how much this becomes emblematic of our justice system. if it was resolved in a way that had scandal attached to it, it would have been bad for all of us. martha: yeah. i mean, i would imagine that that was an eventuality that mark richards and corey had prepared kyle rittenhouse for. you can see as they get to the
first off, as a former homicide prosecutor, having gone out and investigated cases before they re chargele, it s shocking in a matter of days before the autopsy results are in, before the evidence is gathered, before witness statements are reviewed and videotapes are reviewed that a decision of this magnitude was made so quickly. i figured weeks or months before i filed charges. that played into the defense narrative that this was a rush to judgment because of the politics of things. that s number 1. number 2, i was apoplectic about the prosecutor did some things that any lawyer knows that they shouldn t be doing and clearly is an act of desperation when rittenhouse was on the witness stand and commenton his arrest silence. the judge waited so he didn t have to rule on it. but the jury came back and said guilty, he would have to rule on
happen with this verdict, this jury knew that going in to it. as a matter of fact, one of our jurors during vior dire said i have reservations, no matter what verdict is returned, half the country will be upset and the other half will be happy. these jurors as some of us know were followed by not only members of the media in a van, actually, the other day, but they were also followed by a member of the public. this was before the deliberation process. so we have 12 citizens that served their duty. everyone can armchair whether or not it was the right verdict. but clearly they took their time and came back with the not
the first and the second one didn t matter. there were more coming down the line. what did you think about that? yeah, that s one of the things that i was worried about. i thought if there was a quick verdict in this case, which was certainly possible because it was not a very long trial and there was really one issue that needed to be resolved, that it would clearly be a not guilty verdict. the longer it went on, two possibilities it seems that by the way the junior defied today. the things that you worry about in that circumstance is either they hang, which is to say they for whatever reason they can t decide the case, at least some jurors that won t go with the other jurors to a final resolution, or exactly the kind of bartering that you re describing takes place. we call those compromise verdicts and they re allowed.
0 rittenhouse has to get on with his life the best he can. the attorney said i don t think he will continue to live in this area saying it s too dangerous. he s had 24/7 security since this all happened. john, great to be covering this breaking news with you. i m sandra smith. john: and i m john roberts taking off next week so have a good thanksgiving. the story with martha starts now. martha: thank you very much, john and sandra. good afternoon. i m martha maccallum. breaking right now on the story, not guilty verdicts for kyle rittenhouse as we look at the live scene outside of the courthouse in kenosha, wisconsin. a place that we have all become much more familiar with over the course of this trial and over the remembrance last summer of the violence that spilled in to the streets and what we saw take place on that august evening in 2020. so we have just heard from his attorney moments ago. we heard some of what his take-away was in terms of this case and as we just watched