andrew, mary makes a point about who is actually working for donald trump in terms of council. maybe because he is such a difficult client, or notoriously tight fisted client who doesn t pay his bills, we are not talking about big law firms here. john lauro, who is defending trump in the federal cases, his website says that they have four lawyers and a paralegal. todd blanche, who is representing him in three of these cases, said that there are two lawyers. we are talking about cases where the discovery in the federal case, 11. 6 million documents, i know this is kind of one of the excuses that trump s team has said we cannot get through all of this in this time but there are two people in the shop and what can you tell me about the barebones nature of his counsel, given the mountain of evidence the feds have, the da has and how they are going to plow through that two assembly defense? well, it is interesting,
what is going on with volunteer lawyers? is that a usual thing? and what does it signal to you about the council that he does have in some of these cases? well, pro bono lawyering is well known, particularly in the public interest, my day job is running a pro bono shop, the institute for constitutional advocacy and protection, and we do all of our work pro bono. but that is usually not representing a candidate for president, who has been well financed and portrayed himself as a billionaire for decades and who is facing criminal charges in four different states and different federal cases as well. it is a very different type of thing to think about volunteer lawyering. and i have not had time to look into this yet. but i do think that any volunteer lawyers will have to also look into whether their contributions could be perceived to be political donations because that could put some restrictions on that. but i think that there are other things that are significant about what we are
i wouldn t be surprised if there is more money that will come from somewhere. mary, what s going on with volunteer lawyers?ee is that a usual thing, and what does it signal to you about the counsel that he does have in some of these cases? well, pro bono lawyering is well-known particularly in the public interest arena. in fact, my day job isar runnina pro bono shop, the institute for constitutional advocacy and protection, and we do all our work pro bono. that s usually thought representing aal candidate for president who s been well financed and portrayed himself as a billionaire for decades ani who is facing criminal charges in four different different states and federal cases as well. soed it s a very different typef thing to think about volunteer lawyering, and i haven t had time to a look into this yet, b i do think any volunteer lawyers will have to look into whether
useful information, sometimes to tell their side of the story. to stave off potential charges. which to avoid testifying under subpoena for a grand jury. in exchange, prosecutors agree not to use those statements against them in criminal proceedings unless it is determined that they were lying. this is certainly reporting that makes you sit up and pay attention. it also raises a whole lot of questions. joining us now is mary mccord, former acting assistant tierney general for special security and now executive director of the institute for constitutional advocacy and production. and a professor at the georgetown university law center. she is also of course the co-host of the great msnbc podcast prosecuting donald trump. also with us tonight is michael moore, former u.s. attorney for the middle shift of georgia. and a current partner at the law firm warhol in atlanta. very, michael thank you for joining me. my first question, mary, is who pushed to hear? giuliani or the special counsel.
lying. this is certainly reporting that makes you sit up and pay attention. it also raises a whole lot of questions. joining us now is mary mccord, former acting assistant attorney general for special security and now executive director of the institute for constitutional advocacy and production and a professor at the georgetown university law center. she is also of course the co-host of the great msnbc podcast, prosecuting donald trump. also with us tonight is michael moore, former u.s. attorney for the middle district of georgia and a current partner at the law firm warhol in atlanta. mary, michael thank you for joining me. my first question, mary, is who pushed to hear? giuliani or the special counsel. well i didn t see that in the reporting. and so i am not sure and it could go either way. sometimes in investigations that i took part of when i was at the u.s. attorney s office and also even at the national security division, when we were getting close to an indictment or sometime