Over that city of rostov, that is a logistics hub for a city of ukraine. that is 1 million people. getting than 145 miles of moscow, that s not a small thing. i do think prigozhin may have wanted to test whether or not there was a collapse of the russian structure, whether or not other leaders, other fiefdoms within the russian kleptocracy that putin set out, people often came with him. that didn t happen. most people say behind putin. i don t necessarily think that the side of putin strength, i think it s a sign that people didn t necessarily want to put jump on the train with prigozhin. therefore, he de-escalated, and took a deal. he took a deal, by the way, that was very different from what putin said on television, we thought this was a mutiny, that production should be detained, he was going to be prosecuted. putting out a climb down as part of this deal, and started prigozhin. i don t think we have the last of him. and i certainly don t think we ve heard the last of potential i
Ambassador to nato on what the weeks and months ahead might hold for vladimir putin. plus, more my conversation with nancy pelosi. you ll hear her reactions to trump s federal indictment, that s all coming up in the special hour of breaking news coverage. we re back after a quick break. fter a quick break the subway series? it s the perfect menu lineup. just give us a number, we got the rest. number three? the monster. six? the boss. fifteen? titan turkey. number one? the philly. oh, yeah, you probably don t want that one. look, i m not in charge of naming the subs.
Under russian control in ukraine. does he do something there? we saw them explode a dam that caused massive humanitarian suffering in ukraine. are there different ways that putin tries to lash out? because in the past, you and i have a lot of experience with this, jen, and sometimes you yourself with the target of this lashing out. sometimes, when he feels cornered, his play is to lash out at the west and europe and the u.s.. we are entering a pretty unpredictable time here. a weaker and cornered vladimir putin might need to consolidate and folks at home, but he also might want to lash out. i think the white house is going to be watching very carefully for signs of which way he s going to go in the weeks and months to come. ben rhodes, thank you for still answering my text when i have questions about what s happening in the world, even though we don t work together anymore. thanks for joining me today. next, i ll ask the great granddaughter of the former leader of the soviet union, n
the fight in ukraine what is your expectation there, and what will you be watching? i will be watching a number of things. first of, all what happened to the wagner fighters, this is 25,000 people, heavily armed, some of them quite well trained, others just convex. russia clearly appears that they want to absorb that into their normal command structure. not clear to me that everybody has been a wagner fighter will take that deal, does that diminish russia s capacity? how does ukraine try to take advantage of this pretty massive political distraction for putin? they are in the midst of a counteroffensive. to the tragic press that advantage in the coming days and weeks? are they able to get somewhere? but i think the main thing we took away from this last couple days, jen, is russia s internal stability is now a part of the war. it s not just what s happening on the battlefield in ukraine, it s what s happening inside of russian politics. we are 16 months into a war in which vlad
Much more victorious than he was because by now, it is resolved. prigozhin is not going to go into the sunset, and belarus, africa, in syria, or anywhere else. i was going to ask about prigozhin, and what we expect, it sounds like you think so. to hear from him more. that he s not just disappearing into the sunset. what will that look like? well, i think in some ways, both putin and prigozhin won, but also our weekend. because prigozhin wanted to take because putin was, according to prigozhin, not nationalistic enough. it wasn t the bloodshed that prigozhin was offering. and putin didn t go that direction. but putin also blinked. he allowed prigozhin to go. so both of them didn t know therefore, they decided to go their separate ways. i don t think putin will forgive, because we know he doesn t forgive personal disloyalty. so is not going to forget.
Nine years in jail for breaking into apartments. putin was a mid level kgb officer. this is not you re telling me they aren t playing three dimensional chess here, possibly, david? [laughter] i read your article that was very excellent, one of the parts that stuck out to me was when you asked zygar about the most striking aspect of the uprising. he said he wasn t certain putin was running the country saying, quote, he is still there in his bunker. but there is the growing feeling that he is a lame duck, and they have to prepare for russia after putin. at first first of all, you ve been covering putin and russia for a long time, what did you think of that? and what does it look like to prepare for a russia prosecution? there is no institutional succession mechanism. there are no legitimate elections, of course, he s locked up in jail to volley, his would be
That he s the one who made prigozhin. he s the one who allowed prigozhin to become what he is globally known as, a mercenary of war. and prigozhin is not going to go into his quiet corner and get old and live in belarus, because he basically feels, and i m sure there s a lot of wagner writes that may deal with the russian state, but they are loyal to prigozhin. this is a gangster loyalty. it s not going anywhere. so in some ways, it could be one of these mujahideen scenarios in russia, when the continued to be loyal to prigozhin and something else much grander than yesterday s events will be brewing for putin and the kremlin, threatening its existence. nina khrushcheva, thank you so much for joining us from moscow, i really appreciate your perspective. up next, i ask a former u.s. ambassador to nato, how leaders around the world are looking at
This is a bad guy who has been fighting against american interests in places like syria, and all around the world, including in ukraine, for several years now. i just don t think that s going to be a narrative that can catch in the same way. i think it s also the case that, you know, the u.s. intelligence community, like all of, us probably didn t know exactly where this was going to lead. and it wasn t as simple as coming out and saying we see russia is preparing to invade ukraine as they did before the full scale invasion. in this, one i don t think anybody, including putin, including prigozhin, knew exactly what was going to unfold, or even where it s going to go from here. yesterday felt, and we talked with us yesterday to, it felt very abrupt. this deal struck by lukashenko, prigozhin just moving to belarus. what did you make of this? and do you think this is the last we hear from prigozhin? i mean, is he just disappearing into the night? or what s going to happen here? well f
One else has come out to support prigozhin around vladimir putin, at the same time, these forces were able to move about 800 kilometers, without any resistance, and what resistance there was was quickly shot up the sky. and it was only an outsider, lukashenko, who was able to find a way out of this. right now, everyone in the kremlin, starting with putin, is looking around, figuring out, who can they trust? who s about to knife them in the back? who s going to defend them? and that s going to be there for quite a while. it tends to be that revolutions each their own children. we may see that in this case, that happens as well. and so it is a really dangerous period, because on the one hand, ukraine is now launching full force its counteroffensive, but on the other hand, we don t know what s happening inside the kremlin. putin hasn t been seen or heard from. we don t know what the military leadership of russia s. it s a deeply uncertain time, and then that s what the nato
One of the main thoroughfares in moscow, and it looks like ordinary life. you might even say mundane. and that, in itself, is sunday when you think about the events of the past 48 hours, when you think that i could ve been standing here talking about russians fighting russians on the streets. when you think that president putin who, on a number of occasions throughout his history, has reached out and supported other leaders, had to have another leader, from belarus, support him in the past 48 hours. that s the first time that has happened. i think another way to describe it is that russians, and people here in moscow, frankly are in disbelief. and listen, there are national guard on the streets, a little bit today, but it s just nothing like the scenes that may have played out. another important point. rust dove, the city about 100