later. >> are you worried about the russians hacking us? >> no, i'm not worried at all. >> russian espionage on the streets of new york city. i take the post of the people in street justice. and even find a little love. >> you're getting married? why question it. >> when you fall in love, what you do? >> you run. justice starts now i will speak with press secretary spicer. first, my opening statement. politics get get in the way a lot. sometimes, even in the way of dying kids. i wanted to start tonight with all the enthusiasm of the first
children's foundation. permit a few differences. eric trump was not penniless or in debt when he started the eric trump foundation. he did not start that foundation to make money, and he certainly did not become rich because of it. here is what his own wife told me in florida. >> he started the eric trump foundation to help kids with cancer. in fact, he such a humble guy, i didn't i didn't even know about it. he started at the year before we met and it was almost like he didn't want to toot his own horn to say look what i did. >> on the show, i remember him saying that 100% of the proceeds go to the kids. >> it's very important to eric. this is something he has always worked so hard for. he works his hardest at the eric trump foundation, and i have seen him negotiate pennies off
accomplishments like the intensive care unit at st. jude's opened in february 2015 before his dad was ever a candidate for anything. all the monies raised, almost 100%, given to the charity for the foundation. millions, almost 20 million operated with one employee. eric shouldering operating costs himself. so this past christmas eve, those children not dreaming of toys or sugarplum fairies, but the ones praying there next chemo or lead transfusion wouldn't hurt so much. some even praying that death wouldn't visit their rooms that night, hoping maybe, just maybe, an angel would come with a gift. not a gift of toys, but the gift
of life all because of a young man named eric. they lost that night. yes, it was the unluckiest of them all who suffered that night because a young man who did nothing but good for all the right reasons could not continue to do good, because evil was assumed to be the norm as scrooge and the ghost of the clintons past visited the eric trump foundation and the children who benefited. that is my (tell me what you think of my facebook page or twitter. hashtag judge janine. joining me me now by phone, president-elect trump son, and executive director of the trump organization and founder of the eric trump foundation, eric trump aired this is his first television interview since
expense ratio for charities in the world. we are so fortunate. it's one of the great benefits or perks of having a great organization with great assets that you can use practically for free. we raised so much money for st. jude's. the second someone is elected into public office, you're you're no longer given the benefit of the doubt. no matter how good your track record was or how much great you've done, you're no longer given the elephant of the doubt and sadly, at the the end of the day, the only people who lose as you said so wellin your opening, the only people who lose are some of the sickest kids in the world and those are the kids at saint jude. jeanine: the new york times originally question how much you gave and said there wasn't any evidence to support it and just yesterday, apparently they seem to indicate that clearly you had given well over $16 million.
was there any satisfaction from that. >> i thought it was very nice that they came around and actually admitted how much they donated to the hospital and they said very nice things which was very vindicating. i think there are some people who have said nasty things over the years and that's the political world that we as a family now live in. it's the reality. there will be people who go out and make statements to sensationalize whatever they can and sell newspapers and we will deal with that for the next four or eight years. jeanine: but you know, eric, that must frustrate you because you're not in office, you're not, you're not in the government. we haven't seen you pretty much of since the election because you and your brother that we saw so often are now back in the business. your father is getting ready to run the business of the country, and he has been, actually, since he was elected. does this frustrate you?
>> yes it's frustrating and it's a narrative they will try to keep up for the next four or eight years and it will be a narrative of harassment. sadly again, it's too long. it's millions and millions of dollars going to the best pediatric research hospital anywhere in the world and that's sad. that is the game that gets played with politics. even if you said there is something to do with the administration, it will be the quagmire that we as a family live in for a long period of time. >> did you expect it would be this difficult, eric? >> it's been amazing. when i see my father save jobs all over the place, when you see what happened with ford. jeanine: but for you personally eric. >> i think we all knew when he
jeanine: america is were ready to welcome a new president in less than two weeks, but not everybody's onboard. in fact, some, some people on the left are doing their best to subvert democracy and the american way by encouraging people to not even give the incoming president a chance to lead. the chance that he earned, fair and square, back in november. here is left-wing movie director michael moore right after the election talking about what he and his followers are going to be doing in the days up to and beyond the inauguration while donald trump is working tirelessly to fix the country. >> we are going to resist, we were going to oppose pratt this will be a massive resistance. there is already, women are calling for 1 million women march. jeanine: okay so it's indicative of a movement on the left to delegitimize the new president. joining me now to talk about that and more is white house press secretary sean slicer. jeanine: it was really an emotional piece.
his foundation that he is forced to separate himself from from because nothing that he has done, he's not even in the government, but because of the behavior, i believe the clintons and all of the attacks on that foundation that i believe were legitimate, but now we have people saying, let's stop president trump before he even gets there. the man hasn't stopped working. how are you going to convince these people that donald trump was elected fair and square and let's give the man a chance. >> there's a couple things, judge. first, it is sad that eric trump worked so hard for st. jude's because the only people who lose are those children are the children of st. jude. it is sad because the losers are the people they worked so hard
to help. getting to your question, look, on november 8, donald trump 130 straight trump 130 states. nine of 13 battleground states, over 2600 counties and flipped counties that barack obama carried in 2012. i'm not sure how much more resounding of a win win you can get. the movement that he led spoke loud and clearly on election day more portly, to your point, since he took that stage at 2:50 am and talked about uniting all americans, he has worked tirelessly, not only to put together probably the most amazing cabinet ever seen, but to get results whether it's carrier or sprint and talking about thousands of jobs that he is personally working to bring back to this country, or saving the american taxpayers millions and billions of dollars through his work to lower the cost of on of air force one.
a guy who is still 13 days from office still has a track record as president elect that most would like to have as president. jeanine: but sean, the positive that the president-elect can talk about are clear. i think that most people are blown away by the fact that the man is even working 247, but more importantly, it's not just democrat or progressive or left, it's almost anarchist or communist, revolutionary communists taking out ads thing we've got to stop this man. is there concern for the inauguration? they're talking about protest, do whatever they can to stop donald trump. >> look, i think more more of these individuals are finding themselves in the minority. there will be a historic record of people because the movement
that donald trump has led is a movement of change, a movement that finally taps into the frustration that so many american workers are finally saying thank you for in understanding what i've been saying for so long and been so forgotten. i think that inauguration is going to be a historic one in that it won't just be an amazing day, but it will be the beginning of an amazing eight years for donald trump. at some point the facts will become overwhelming because the number of successes he has both domestically and internationally. at some point, you have to say wow, he has saved the job of a friend or family member. he has lifted up the wages, my healthcare has gone down and i can see the doctor i talked about. i have more educational choices. the inner cities are better. the roads and bridges and infrastructure are getting repaired the way they should of. jeanine: democrats, right now, are being so obstructionist that they're saying we've got all of these ethical hurdles, before we
even get to the confirmation hearing spread i've never heard of these ethical procedures or hurdles that they have to overcome first. have you? >> no, you didn't didn't hear about him in 2008 when she chuck schumer voted 42 times to look the other way on democrats that will weren't seeking appointment in the obama administration. you didn't see them when the republicans voted seven of those nominees their confirmation votes on day one and five more the next time and 13 by voice well. republicans acted professionally and responsibly in 2008 and recognize that the president has an opportunity to have the people that are qualified to be in the cabinet. donald trump, as president elect has selected the most qualified cabinet in modern history, if not ever. i think they're getting split by schumer because he's trying to play a political game, but most
democrats recognize that the movement wasn't just about republicans but it was about democrats and independents and many of their own constituents. you take a state like missouri where president electra carried it by 19 points but i don't think claire mccaskill is going to want to vote against that kind of overwhelming message when it comes to confirmation pics. not only are they qualified but she has to recognize that she has the answer to her constituents if she doesn't understand the change they voted for in missouri and other states around the country. jeanine: donald trump has an opportunity to continue to change the landscape of those elections going forward. sean, thanks so much for being with us. >> thank you. jeanine: i'm joined by someone calling for protest against president-elect trump. this is a debate you are not going to want to miss. then the congressman is here to talk about the incoming administration as well as his home state of california and their curious move involving attorney general eric holder. >> are you worried about the
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countdown to inauguration day is still on, but some still refuse to accept the reality. my next guest is one of many attempting to delegitimize trump's presidency before it even begins. at the national spokesperson for the communist party in the united states. he joined me now. carl thanks for being on tonight. i was fascinated like many, with the ad in the new york times that said something like know in the name of humanity, we refuse to accept a fascist america. i'm not wondering the read the whole thing but it pretty much says we have to stop the trump pens regime before it starts. we don't have a lot of time so i asked some direct questions. call, how are you going to stop the trump hands regime.
he was elected fair and square. the electoral college has been certified. were getting ready to roll. what are you going to do to stop them. >> look, no election, fair or foul should legitimize a fascist regime, and that is what the trump pants regime is. donald trump campaigned as a fascist, he has assembled a team to carry out that fascist agenda, we've seen this before. the demon nation. he spent the christmas holidays, a time that supposed to be peace on earth and will toward men talked tweeting about a new nuclear arms race. this is what he campaigned on, this is --. jeanine: what about, you want to talk about delegitimizing. i have to be honest, donald trump is something i believe in. let me just say this. aren't you delegitimizing the election in the constitution because you don't like the guy. >> i don't like the guy, but what i don't like like is the agenda he campaigned on.
jeanine: but he won. >> host: but that's what millions and millions of people don't like and they are right not to like it. we have seen this before. hitler came to power through legitimate means. jeanine: you're not comparing donald trump to hitler are you. >> right, he's different than hitler. he doesn't have that little black mustache, he has the orange squirrel on his head, but he has the agenda of a hitler. jeanine: carl -- >> we have to talk about the fascist quality of this regime. jeanine: why don't they have anxiety and fear before donald trump and he hasn't done anything. where is the ink anxiety and fear. >> it's based upon what he campaigned on. muslim registry. people who burn the flag should have citizenship taken away.
this is illegitimate, and it also will be a form of rule that suppresses the civil liberty to fight against these. people have a right to be fearful and that is why we took out this ad and why we are calling on people. refuse fascism.org is calling on people to take to the streets, to display and manifest their refusal to accept -- jeanine: let's assume they do. what if people come into the streets and do what. >> come to the streets in washington d.c. where i will be and everywhere else and do everything to show their refusal to accept this regime. nonviolent civil disobedience. protesting in other ways. candlelight vigils. however people want to do it but business as usual in this society has got to be stopped to prevent the trump pence regime.
jeanine: are you an anarchist or a communist. >> it's real clear. i told you i was a communist and i will come and talk too about communism. bring me on another show. jeanine: okay, alright. i wish we had more time. i will bring you on again. >> tonight i want to talk about stomping this fascist regime. jeanine: i'm worried about how far you're willing to go. >> refuse fascism.org. jeanine: thank you. darrell darrell issa still ahead >> my friend is getting engaged today. >> that's so sweet. why would anyone get married but i want to serve justice on russian hacking. at judge justice like you've never seen.
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on just 12 days until the inauguration of our 45th president. joining me now is my political panel are old friends chairman republican strategist david allen and making his debut tonight democratic strategist and former consultant to the department of homeland security. thanks for joining us a gentleman. i want to start with the russian hacking issue and i will start with you david on the issue of whether or not their russian hacking issue is one that has given president-elect donald trump's decision to say you know there was some russian influence over the hacking. did he make a turnaround on this and was it enough? >> judge, america and did need vladimir putin to know that hillary clinton was corrupt and lying and believed she was above the law.
it didn't ultimately impact the election just as in 1960 nikita khrushchev believed he influenced the election when he held you too pilots against his power and wouldn't release him. he believed that hurt nixon. he didn't hurt nixon's chances of getting elected and putin didn't hurt quentin's chances of getting elected. it's a lot about nothing. jeanine: hasn't everybody been spying on everybody for decades? isn't this what looks to read about all of a sudden we are so shocked? >> judge, you are right. we been spying on them and they been spying on us and this is done all the time but to actually weapon eyes the information, to put it out there to change the election results, to actually create fake news to hack into the system. jeanine: i have to stop you. there is nothing in those
e-mails that was never contested c it's not just the e-mails that they put out. actually have russian tv which is television it networks that claimed the united states created neck a chamber to put fakeness information as well as e-mails. election staff. they talked about that the elections are rigged. they kept on putting information out there. that is a documented fact from both the fbi, the nsa and the cia who put out a detailed report. judge, let me jump in here second. jeanine: there's no discussion of any election machines or any numbers being impacted. c absolutely. >> a bigger impact here for want to talk about how a hack impacted the election although the opm records that got taken
by some foreign government is now hundreds of thousands of government employees now have all of their records out there. we had a series of breaches of government servers that release personal data on people. the if it came to a point where americans to just started questioning was their personal safety secured and did this administration do enough and ultimately they decided no. they decided their economic security in their personal security were being taken care by this administration and that's why they said it's time to go in a different direction. >> look a bit at some point we are going to have to start putting our country head of our party. someone hacking into e-mails and releasing information, someone coming into our country to undermine our elections? we have crossed the line. >> had hillary clinton not have a server.
>> president-elect donald trump, i will even say he's got a chance but the fact that the russians came in packs into our system and try to undermine elections, he's got to admit to that and you have to admit that and we have got to go on and start making them pay a price for that. jeanine: mustafa, didn't hillary clinton choose putin -- accuse putin of doing something like that and i hear he was giving even with her. david from are you familiar with that? >> vaguely. jeanine: go ahead. >> judge, look putin basically had a vendetta against her because she tried to expose him. she went to the u.n. and made a speech exposing the fact that he was rigging the election so she did her job as secretary of state showing the fact that putin was doing all sorts of underhanded things in terms of breaking their elections. he took it personal offense to
it. he then came into the united states to undermine our elections not only to spy on us but to basically create a news channel in our country to use social media. c what voting machines at rates that impacted the results? what voting machine got rates that truly -- jeanine: thank you for being with us. street justice still ahead and congressman darryl issa, next. something wrong? so when it comes to pain relievers, why put up with just part of a day? you want the whole thing? yes, yes! live whole. not part. aleve. that newly listed ranch and wait will be gone.ed for a mortgage, or, you could push that button. sfx: rocket launching. skip the bank. get approved in minutes. lift the burden of getting a home loan with rocket mortgage by quicken loans. (whisper) rocket
joining me to talk about that a more republican congressmen darryl issa senior member of the house foreign affairs committee. do they even know what they are hiring him to fight with trump about? >> no, they really don't judge. i can't believe i said that. long long story and i will tell you later but judge cometh one of those amazing things. they are hiring him for the same reason when i became chairman of the oversight committee they increase their staff at the white house in a way of lawyers even before i had asked for the first piece of information. for whatever reason the left-leaning, far left legislature in california wants to fight this administration on anything and everything so they can keep doing what they are doing. jeanine: is in california broke? >> they are certainly upside down. they have the highest income tax the nation, 13.3%, 8.5 plus%
sales tax and they have a budget deficit and businesses are leaving california. one of the greatest states to work and live in except for the government we have. jeanine: you question whether eric holder should even be practicing law, congressman. >> well it's the only constitutional officer ever held in contempt by congress. he lied to congress and in fact withheld information. we haven't missed him since he left because in fact he was somebody that had no respect for the law they were sworn to defend. jeanine: this retainer into law firm firm that he is in washington d.c. do we have any idea how big it is? >> well i suspect it's in the seven figures. jeanine: seven s. in millions? >> in the millions. air colder doesn't come cheap. he is quite a name and he's a rainmaker there but again this is somebody who lying to
congress should have lost his bar license. jeanine: interesting that he didn't. let's move onto donald trump and what he's done even before the white house. the latest this week's ford and we heard about carrier a few weeks ago and now ford. you have got mark fields -- mark fields was talking about the ford plant in what they are doing. >> i had dinner with mark fields in las vegas at the consumer electronics electronic show just last night. he's excited about a better business climate one in which ford can make investments in the united states and have them pay off and that's a result of this election. you are going to see other companies do that as you say even before president trump is sworn in the part of that is the same reason the stock market has gone up more than 1000 points. they are things you do in anticipation of a good market in their things you do it in anticipation of a government that's not going to be friendly.
right now the stock market and ford motor company are gearing up for a better economy one in which we have lower taxes, lower government spending and a pro-business environment that creates jobs in america. jeanine: there would be no subsidies or anything offered? >> this was a good business decision made by one of the great industrial companies of the world. jeanine: people in michigan even if they didn't vote for him i guess they would benefit, those union's? >> the rank-and-file workers at or motor company a great many of them voted for donald trump even though the union was saying not to. tonight i think they are very happy that they did. jeanine: congressman i think we are going to see a lot more americans happy with donald trump. anyway congressman darryl issa even though you didn't get my name right, thanks for being with us tonight. >> thank you, judge. jeanine: the first justice of 2017 straight ahead.
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jeanine: it's finally time for the first street justice of 2017 that i wanted to find out what people thought about those russian hacking hearings in washington and whether anyone really c when i stumble upon them at the construction site i found true love. take a look. >> i very much doubt it. >> or the russians hacking us? >> i can't hear. you think the redskins are hacking? are the russians hacking us? do we care? >> not really. >> what's the deal? is putin hacking us? >> i believe he is. >> do you think that we hack him too? >> no. >> really? don't you watch the movie's?
>> you are pretty lady. >> don't foreign countries spy on each other over time? >> i don't know. >> do you watch the movie's? are you worried about anything? >> no, i'm not. >> are you on your break? do you want me to leave? are the russians hacking us? >> i don't know. >> do you care? >> not really. >> why is congress having hearings on the? >> they want to distract the public i guess. >> what are you focused on? >> money. >> do you remember the hunt for red october? do remember sean connery -- do you think we do that kind of thing? >> no. >> no, of course not so why is congress having a hearing about hacking? >> democrats are not happy about trump and they have to do whatever they can. >> are you worried about the russians hacking us? >> i'm not worried at all.
all of a sudden russia is a big enemy of the united states of america. what's the problem? >> the reason is the democrats lost and they are trying to come up with a reason. >> that's so sweet. why would anyone get married? are you married? >> 16 lovely years. >> i had 16 lovely years too. you were getting married? why? why? are you getting married? do you know someone is getting engaged to your? >> today? >> they are putting a sign up. they just told me. i'm not lying. you are getting married. why? >> you fall in love you brian. i'm only kidding. >> what is the banners they? what is she going to say? >> i hope she says yes.
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but she was never a government employee. the fact in this lurid story, the taxpayers of alabama were not paying her salary. and whether or not she was sh stooping the governor, having someone working there that was not a government employee? well, the group that apparently was paying her is called the alabama council for excellent government. ace gov. .com was their website. but when the relationship became a national sex scandal, they disappeared their website. this is their website today. its jaups nothing. just a little place holder in case you might want to build something at acegov.com because there's nothing there now. in the middle of this raging story with national implications, there's this black hole, this group who was apparently paying this woman who was in the governor's office every day, this group does not answer its phones, they don't directed towards institutions that provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior. mike pence ran for congress saying let's not try to cure aids. let's try to cure gay instead. and mike pence may not be interested in showcasing that part of his politics now that he's about to be vice president of the united states, but he should still answer for it. does he still think that? the only reason we have a record of him running on that as a political position is because the way back machine archived his website from back when he was running for congress back in the day. they screen shotted it. we can look at it today. the same way that we as a nation, incidentally, also have proof that on the very first day that he could, the new president-elect started using the resources of the federal government in his position in the white house to enrich himself. to promote his family business
interests. now, they have since taken this down, but the very first thing they built online after the election, the very first thing they built online for president-elect trump was this meet the president-elect webpage on the transition website that was provided to the trump folks by the federal government. it's a dot-gov website, something you and i pay for. what they put up was an exhaustive list of all of the, quote, world's top properties that donald trump owns including the world renowned fifth avenue skyscraper trump tower, plus trump park, trump tower, on and on. wait, act now and we'll send you some knives. in addition to properties that occupy the manhattan skyline, mr. trump also owns many of the premier golf clubs around the world, trump national golf club in westchester new york, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. that advertisement for trump properties, that was the very first thing they put up day one on the very first federal government website they had access to. advertisements for trump properties and golf courses. that is not like some threat that the president-elect might use his new office to enrich himself. that's him doing it. that's him using the resources of the federal government to promote the personal business interests of one very important federal office holder. as i've said, they've since taken that down, but we've got it on record because of the way back machine. because the internet archive grabbed it and saved that and will not let it be disappeared. thank god for them. and tonight i can report they are moving to canada. the internet archive, the people who run the way back machine as well as lots of other free archives and resources, i mean, the way back machine alones s h
archived a billion pages of history on the web. the people who run this. on november 9th in america we woke up to a new administration promising radical change. it was a firm reminder that institutions like ours, built for the long-term, need to design for change. for us, it means keeping our cultural materials safe, private and perpetually accessible. it means preparing for a web that may face greater restrictions. the history of libraries is one of loss. the library of alexandria is best known for its disappearance. libraries like ours are susceptible to different fault lines, earthquakes, legal regimes, institutional failure. this year we've set a new goal, to create a copy of the internet archives digital collections in another country. they're calling it the internet archive of canada. they already have mirrors of some of their content in a few
other countries around the world, but they don't have a complete additional copy of what they have built anywhere. they don't have a backup. they don't have a completely mirror of the servers they've built, in san francisco where they're headquartered. and the internet archive folks have been around for a couple of decades, since the dawn of commercial access to the internet. but now because of what happened in the last election, they now feel like the only way they can keep their entire historical library safe, the only way they can protect this resource that they've built, this history that they have archived, they feel like the only way they can ensure its safety is to build a complete mirror of it outside the reach of what is about to be our new federal government. >> we're losing a lot of people because of the internet. and we have to do something. we have to go see bill gates and a lot of other people that really understand what's happening. we have to talk to them maybe in certain areas closing that
internet up in some way. someone will say, freedom of speech, freedom of speech. these are foolish people. we have a lot of foolish people. we have a lot of foolish people. we've got to maybe do something with the internet. >> nobody really knows what the president-elect meant that when he said what he did this time last year. about closing off parts of the internet. we've got to do something with the internet. we've got to maybe in some areas close that internet up in some way. nobody knows if he meant that when he said that during the campaign. but public service oriented keep information free parts of the internet, they're not waiting around to find out. they're going to canada. that happened today. and it's interesting. there are these first amendmewo about the new incoming president, there are corruption worries about the new incoming president. and those things feel like show
stoppers in some ways. but it turns out one monkey don't stop the show. turns out those things don't bring everything to a halt. the show goes on. and frankly, the show gets some new element of weirdness every day. today while the president-elect was tweeting threats about flag burning apparently in response to a fox news channel segment on the topic, he was also simultaneously announcing his new secretary of transportation and alongside all these other, you know, worries about trump and transparency, worries about trump and the first amendment, worries about trump and the press, that announcement today about the transportation secretary it also points out a really interesting pattern that "the washington post" picked up on this morning because elaine chao, among all the other interesting things that she is, elaine chao tapped today to be cabinet secretary in the trump administration, she's also a former fox news channel contributor. last night we led this show talking about the newly announced deputy national
security adviser for the incoming administration. she, too, is a fox news channel personality. we finished the show last night talking about the meeting the president-elect would have today with this very controversial activist who has made it his life's work to abolish the v.a., to private ize the v.a. he's also a fox news personality. it's kind of remarkable the number of points of overlap between who the president-elect is meeting, who he's floating for top jobs in his administration, who he's appointing to top jobs in his administration, the points of overlap between that roster of people and the roster of people who are contracted to appear on cable news, specifically on the fox news channel, which the president-elect does sometimes like to criticize but we know he apparently never likes to turn it off. the pattern is amazing. all those folks also, you know, ben carson, has reportedly been offered a job in the cabinet.
former fox news contributor. newt gingrich considered till the last second for vice president in the trump administration, former fox news contributor. scott brown who has met with trump about the v.a. job, fox news contributor, laura ingraham and monica crowley both considered for white house press secretary, both fox news contributors. john bolton reportedly under consideration for secretary of state, fox news contributor. there's mike huckabee, right, there's jeanine pirro both meeting with the president-elect in this weird runway camera thing that we do at the elevators of his apartment building because he hasn't moved the office. both fox news contributors. the first amendment may or may not be safe under this president. it has now been four months since the president-elect has answered questions from reporters. four months. you'd have to go back more than 30 years to find a president-elect who has gone this long after an election was settled without giving at least one formal press conference
during the transition but trump apparently has no plans. the internet archives may or may not raise the millions of dollars they need in order to build a complete mirror of the internet archive outside the bounds of the united states. and honestly they may or may not need that geographic protection from a new president who really has said that he wants to close off parts of the internet. but we do know that the incoming president watches fox news and he likes it now, apparently. he likes it enough that he's picked it up by the ankles, give it a good shake and started to move its whole roster off of rupert murdoch and on to the taxpayers of the united states. what a time to be alive. i hope somebody's writing all this stuff down as it happens because if anybody ever succeeds in disappearing this history of what we're going through right now, people will not believe it in the future when you tell them this is how it happened. i hope somebody's writing this all down. screen shot this.
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schautauqua county is the furthest county west in the state of new york. if you look at this map it's all the way over on the left. it borders pennsylvania and lake erie way over there on the west side of new york. and that little red dot in chautauqua county, that's the town of jamestown. population roughly 31,000. in the year 2004 a doctor practicing out of little jamestown new york, an internist named dr. rudolph mueller, received a kind of amazing honor. he was named physician of the year. congratulations. physician of the year. obviously, a very big deal. he got the good news in the form of a fax from a high ranking congressman in washington. which is kind of an unexpected, unsolicited weird way to hear, but the physician of the year
award, which is a nice thing, then you got down to the question of what exactly this dr. mueller would have to do to collect this prestigious award. turns out that to get that award, the national republican congressional committee would need the doctor to write them a check for about $1200. he told abc news' investigative unit at the time to actually buy your award and it's not from your peers or from your patient ors from the community that you serve it's really deceptive, it's not being honest, it's just not right. but dr. mueller wasn't the only one. hundreds of other doctors were also told that year that they had just won physician of the year. and it was all part of the same scam. a scam run by republican congressman named tom delay. the scam targeted doctors, told them they'd won this prestigious award, told them because they were so famous and so well regarded that they were being invited to join something called the physicians advisory board which is a very prestigious
thing in order to go to events for this fake prestigious advisory board they'd just been signed up to, though, they would have to shell out something like $5,000 and again that money would go to the national republican congressional committee. it was a scam. a fund-raising scam run by then house majority leader tom delay back in the early 2000s. tom delay eventually left congress in an ethics scandal that led to him being convicted and then his conviction being overturned. we do still have the lasting benefit of this amazing mug shot from that time in his life. but tom delay's time in congress had to come to an end. his doctor scam did not end, though. he passed it on, apparently. in 2009 a congressman out of georgia started running the same con. under a different name. he created what he called the physicians council for responsible reform and he sent out these faxes, sent out these letters. he promised doctors who joined
his exclusive group that they would be, quote, receiving special briefings and providing input to republican members of congress. congressman promised that these select physicians on this council would be providing input to house republican leader john boehner, congressman eric cantor and others. none of that was true. this was just the same con that tom delay used to use. all they were doing was raising money. they're basically shaking down doctors for donations. in some instances this congressman even used the names of his marks, used the names of these physicians he's targeted on this fake press release, he would actually put those out, put the doctors' names out publicly as if they were in support of this mission even though he'd never gotten those doctors' permissions to raise funds in their name. since june 2009 this congressman raised more than a million dollars for the republican national committee but it was a scam run by a republican congressman from georgia. and that's the same guy that donald trump just tapped to be
his health and human services secretary. his name is tom price. he's an orthopedic surgeon by trade. he's been in congress since 2005. before that he served in the georgia state senate. as a congressman he's known for being very anti-gay. he co-sponsored a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage. during the bp oil spill in the gulf, he was very famous for siding with bp who spilled the oil. he was a founding member of the tea party caucus. at one point he said he considered running against john boehner for speaker because he didn't think john boehner was right wing enough. but the thing he's most made his mark on in congress is for being the number one anti-obamacare congressman among the republican caucus. in january 2010, you might remember during the state of the union that year, president obama talked about how he want to work with congress. he promised to talk to the other side after the republicans had had such strong resistance to the obamacare legislation.
two days after the state of the union, you might remember then-congressman mike pence who was then the third ranking republican in the house, he helped coordinate president obama's taking a visit to the annual house republican meeting. and attending the opposite party's meeting is not an unprecedented thing. george w. bush did it. president obama had gone to the republican meeting in 2009. but in 2010 there were cameras there. it was going to be televised live. it was at that meeting that tom price of georgia decided he would go head-to-head with president obama on obamacare. >> you have repeatedly said most recently at the state of the union that republicans have offered no ideas and no solutions in spite of the fact -- >> i don't think i said that. what i said was it would -- within the context of health care. i remember that speech pretty well. it was only two days ago. i said i welcomed ideas that you might provide. i didn't say that you hadn't provided ideas.
i said i welcome those ideas that you'll provide. >> president, multiple times from your administration there have come statements that republicans have no ideas and no solutions. in spite of the fact that we've offered, as demonstrated today, positive solutions to all of the challenges we face including energy and the economy and health care. >> tom, look, i have to say that on the -- let's just take the health care debate. it's probably not constructive for us to try to debate a particular bill, that this isn't the venue to do it. but if you say we can offer coverage for all americans and it won't cost a penny, that's just not true. you can't structure a bill where suddenly 30 million people have coverage and it costs nothing. it can't just be political
assertions that aren't substantiated when it comes to the actual details of policy because otherwise we're going to be selling the american people a bill of goods. >> selling the american people a bill of goods. president obama responding to georgia congressman tom price in 2010. tom price didn't release his own alternative obamacare. it was never endorsed by any of the leaders. i should note that his views aren't even mainstream even within his own party. take for example the part of obamacare that says insurers have to accept everybody regardless of prexiing conditions. a lot of republicans say they agree with that part of obamacare. president-elect donald trump says he agrees with that part. >> let me ask you about obamacare. which you say you're going to repeal and replace. when you replace it, are you going to make sure that people with preconditions are still covered? >> yes, because it happens to be
one of the strongest assets. >> happens to be one of the strongest assets, says the president-elect. tom price on the other hand things that that strongest assess is, quote, a terrible idea. a week after the election he told reporters he expects republicans to move forward on changes to medicare in the next six to eight months including privatizing medicare by the summertime he wants to get ready to do that. on women's health, he has exactly the record you might expect. he introduced a 2015 budget that would defund planned parenthood entirely. planned parenthood gives him a zero rating. he thinks that employers should be allowed to fire their workers if they use birth control or if they have an abortion. he famously said obamacare shouldn't require coverage for birth control because as far as he's concerned not one woman in the entire united states of america has any trouble affording contraception. >> obviously one of the main sticking points is whether or not contraception coverage is
going to be covered under plans and whether they'll be able to pay for it, especially among low income women. i guess where do we leave these women if this rule is rescinded? >> bring me one woman who has been left behind. bring me one. there's not one. >> birth control. nobody has any trouble getting birth control. what should -- why should contraception be part of health coverage? bring me one woman. president-elect trump's nominee to be in charge of health and human services. i have just the person you want to hear respond to that here next.
obviously, one of the main sticking points is whether or not contraception coverage is going to be covered under health insurance plans and at hospitals and whether they'll be able to pay for it, especially among low income women. i guess where do we leave these women if this rule is rescinded? >> bring me one woman who has been left behind. bring me one. there's not one. >> congressman tom price of georgia now slated to be secretary of health and human services in the incoming presidential administration. joining us now for her take on this is nancy northrupp, nancy, nice having you here. >> thanks for having me. >> planned parenthood has put out a statement in opposition in sort of an alarmed statement in opposition to congressman price being slated for the hhs job. do you have a reaction to the nomination? >> it is an alarming nomination. health and human services exists as an agency to promote the well-being and the health of the american people.
president-elect trump has just nominated someone who wants to take away health care, not provide it. you pointed out he's against the affordable care act. that has really important provisions for co-pay provisio fact that women can't be charged than men for their insurance. he wants to take that away. he wants to defund planned parenthood, a place that millions of women go a year to get birth control, tsd testing, cancer screening. >> he said what he proposes is basically a market-based alternative approach to meeting the country's health care needs. he thinks that obamacare is a disaster. all the things that went wrong
that he said would go wrong. and it would suit the country better. do you see any room for working with him when it comes to replacing oba replacing obama care. >> he has demonstrated he doesn't understand women's lives. when he makes the comment that no women can't afford birth control. that's just not true. a huge increase of women who were in insurance programs that are private are now able to get no co-pay. things that are expensive, like iuds, very effective long-term contraceptives out of reach for women without that no co-pay division. he's also very anti-choice. he doesn't accept the constitution, which protects women's rights. just won a supreme court case four months ago that said women have to have access to safe and legal abortion and the government can't use fake reasons the take it away. so it is very alarming to have somebody appointed to be
secretary of health and services who would like to take away that constitutional right of women. >> one of the things that -- i don't want to describe him as out there on a limb because a lot of the republican conference is moving this way. he has said that employers should be able to fire you if your employer learns that you have had an abortion or if they learn that you're using birth control and your employer disapproves of that for whatever reason. is that something on which you expect to actually have to be litigating? is that something where you expect him to actually move? or is that a fantasy on the right? >> i would hopefully it's not something that they would try to do. i mean, for heaven sakes, discriminating about health care that only women need is clearly says discrimination. women have worked long and hard to be in the workforce, to be able to control their reproductive lives and the notion that their employers can fire them about their choices about family planning is
outrageous. >> thank you for being here. appreciate it. we'll be right back. something but they're not sure what. and i can't tell you conclusively if we are going to hear something or not. but there's noise. now you know what i know. one thing i can show you is this picture, which we just got tonight from a reporter from yahoo! news. this is obviously donald -- donald trump and mitt romney at dinner tonight. they're at a fancy, expensive restaurant in a trump hotel in new york. sort of both faces tell you all you need to know. presumably they're talking about the secretary of state job that has been dangled but apparently not promised to mitt romney who was such an outspoken critic of mr. trump's during the campaign. we don't yet know what the outcome of this meeting but this picture alone is sort of worth many thousands of words. we did hear on camera a moment ago from mitt romney, but he didn't say anything definitive about that job or whether it's been offered to him or whether
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the holidays are made with philly. on election night, the word from north carolina's governor was, wait. >> there is a process for these types of things. so we've got to let that process work. and we've got to respect the election system because no one respects democracy more than governor pat mccrory and ann mccrory. okay? >> to be clear, he's talking about himself in the third person and his wife who is right there. here we are, three weeks later and the people of north carolina still don't have a winner in that race. north carolina, they don't know who their governor's going to be. the democrat roy cooper has declared victory. the incumbent pat mccrory is refusing to concede still. mccrory has been alleging voter fraud on a large scale in the race. his campaign has claimed that
dead people voted and felons voted and people voted multiple times. for the most part these claims are just claims, they've not produced any evidence of fraud. but part of what's making the story crazy is that in north carolina one of the privileges of being governor is you get to appoint the members of all the elections boards around the state. yesterday there was this remarkable turn in what's going on in north carolina because the republican-controlled state election board hand picked by governor mccrory, yesterday they essentially instructed most of the local election boards around the state that they should go ahead and dismiss the protests filed by governor mckror croryc campaign against the vote count. which is a big deal. unexpected and it is a big deal. they have enough challenged votes in the counties to affect the race, the counties are being told to finish up, finalize their numbers.
the state election board is still looking into these mccrory campaign allegations in a couple of counties. they're scheduled to meet again tomorrow to discuss allegations in one heavily democratic county, durham county, so there's that to watch for. but in the three weeks since election day the vote margin separating mckror ke and cooper, the vote margin in favor of the democrat has only gotten bigger than election day. it's doubled. as of the start of this show tonight, roy cooper was ahead by 9800 votes. it's a razor thin margin, but more than 9,000 votes, that's less than 100 votes from the point where governor mccrory would no longer even legally be entitled to mount a state recount. he's this close to game over, but he's still not conceding. so what's the endgame here? north carolina. how does this get resolved and how long does everybody have to wait and at what cost are we
going to finally get a result in this case? roy cooper declared victory over pat mccrory nine days ago, but this one isn't done. joining us is a staff writer with the atlantic who has been covering this story since the election. thanks for joining us tonight. >> nice to be here. >> why is it taking so long for this race to be resolved. but this one really seems to be quite a ping-pong match. >> it's all these protests and challenges. the mccrory campaign and the republican party and some allies have been filing these claims saying there are questions about the vote totals in certain counties and pushing the process back and delaying both counties getting their specific counts, then the state certifying the totals overall. that just pushed everything back. >> have they been producing compelling evidence that there is widespread fraud, widespread illegal voting of the type and the magnitude that would overturn this result? >> not really. and you see that in the case that these county boards of election, which are all controlled by republicans, have generally been rejecting the complaints and saying they're unfounded or they're too late. you get claims that there are felons voting, but when you look at the claims many of the actual names that are brought up tend to be duplicates or people with similar names or people that committed misdemeanors but not feloni felonies. we're not looking at huge numbers, certainly not 10,000 votes it appears in aggregate that would shift the race. >> it was an interesting development for me. i've been sort of watching this in a tertiary way. there's a lot going on in the news, a lot to keep track of. but what really pinged there yesterday was the decision by the state to tell all these county election boards, you know what? unless you're dealing with a huge number of contested ballots, you should start to be done with this now. even though these are republican-controlled board, they seem to be getting to a place where they're going to wind it down. but what about these couple of outstanding counties including durham, that they'll focus on tomorrow? >> durham is the one to watch. today the chair of the state republican party said either durham will do a recount or we'll demand a recount for the full state. durham is a case on election day there were a lot of national stories about problems there. there was a problem with computer systems for logging voters in, it pushed the results back. you had about 90,000 votes that came in late. mccrory suggests that there may be some chicanery and they want a recount there. there are a lot of black voter there's. so you know, there's not really any evidence of fraud there. and the chair at the county board, who, of course, is a republican also says you count all the votes and it adds up. these are all clean. >> david graham, thank you for helping us disaum big uate this story. will your business be reay when growth presents itself? american express open cards can help you take on a new job,
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hold on a second, i've got to click this thing in order to make this work. ready? i think i can do it. all right, do we have it? yes. got it. first of all, we got the inadvertently hilarious picture of the mitt romney/donald trump dinner picture tonight, that's so perfect. and now, because i just clicked that thing, now we've got mitt romney in his own words talking about how awesome it was to sit down and dine with the man he quite recently denounced as a con artist and embarrassment to the nation. >> like old times. i had a wonderful evening with president-elect trump. we have another discussion about affairs throughout the world, and these discussions i've had with him have been enlightening and interesting and engaging. i've enjoyed them, very much. i was also very impressed by the
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service. school and homes have been targeted. children have been morning the casualties, wolf. the syrian regime and russia have not stopped this. a warning from the united nations, there will be mass starvation in this city if food, water supplies and water are not allowed in very soon. >> will ripley reporting for us. thanks very much. that's it for me. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. "outfront," the breaking news, president-elect trump at this hour laying out his promises for day one. you will hear him. plus, trump's controversial chief strategist steve bannon speaking out and saying, "i'm not a racist." trump meeting with america's first self-made black billionaire. he's a democrat. how did that conversation go? he's my guest tonight. let's go "outfront." good evening, i'm erin
burnett. o"outfront" tonight, breaking news, trump releasing a new video, first policy statement since his trip to the white house after the election. trump breaking his silence breaking straight to camera in a somber tone laying out his priorities for day one. >> my agenda will be based on a simple corps prine principle, p america first, producing steel, building car, curing disease, i want the next generation of production and innovation to happen right here on our great homeland, america. >> trump promised action on trade and immigration. his video to the american people bypassing the press as he kept up a furious round of interviews for cabinet contenders. the parade of visitors resembling the opening episodes of a new season of "the apprentice" including introductions of the candidates with decisions on the winners imminent. to date, trump's nominations have been white males over a certain age. trump met with three women today including iraq war vet and
democratic congresswoman tulsi gabbert. in his video, trump defended his transition. >> our transition team is working smoothly, efficiently andfectively. great men and women, patriot, indeed, are being brought in and many will soon be a part of our government helping us to make america great again. >> tonight, we're hearing trump is is close to a major announcement of defense secretary, his choice believed to be the retired marine corps general james mattis. jim acosta begins our coverage tonight "outfront" at trump tower. very unorthodox, not in an interview, not anything coming out on social media to the people. >> reporter: vintage donald trump, that's one of the takeaways, erin. one of the things we should point out in the video donald trump expects in his first 100 days as an executive action is officially pull out of the
this becomes sort of king trump, that he appoints people. i think if he appoints romney, you'll really see this. he lets them do their thing. >> really? >> he hangs out at mar-a-lago, tweets about "hamilton" when he likes and appoints people who are qualified and lets them run the show. if you look at his history, he's not a very hands-on manager. in general, he's been happier rein licensing his name than being involved. i don't see this as -- if you're romney or mattis, you're going to have to kiss the ring then you'll get to run your department, i think. >> which would be obviously different than many people expect how this would go, carl. i mean, this, today, at least three women including democratic congresswoman tullesy gabbert met with donald trump today and said when she came out, a lot of people said, you know what, you should have refused this meeting, should not be meeting with donald trump. she said, no, i owe it to the american people to come
together. is she right about that? >> i think there's a danger in normalizing what donald trump is doing. i don't necessarily agree with the idea that his nomination suggests people who are qualified. i think the idea he's picking people who are close to him, loyal to him, are people who represent viewpoints that are anathema to what america is all about should raise some questions for us. the other thing is when we talk about this secretary of state appointment, mitt romney and donald trump working together does not sound like a formula for stability for america. it sounds like a recipe for disaster. mitt romney would have to go and defend whatever donald trump says for four years. >> can donald trump trust mitt romney? all right, so let's say that alex is right and mitt romney get to do his own thing but it has to be dronald trump's polic. can mitt romney be trusted to go ahead with donald trump's policy when he ardently disagrees? >> i think that's part of the conversation they're having in there. throughout this campaign,
loyalty to trump breeds trust. if your qualifications are your superior to your loyalty during the campaign, guess what, you still may get the job. >> over someone who's been loyal. >> potentially if your qualifications outweigh that. mitt romney made the olympics profitable. no one else has done that. this is guy who actually has -- i had big disagreements when he came out against trump in the campaign. he's my choice or the job -- >> a guy donald trump called a stone cold loser. >> who is the opposite position on him on russia, i mean -- >> i don't think they have -- >> no, what i'm saying, that's not usually what you seek for your secretary of state. it's usually someone a little more in line with where you are. i would say that maybe you're right, maybe they will -- he will let them run it. i think he will make -- if he doesn't mike what you're doing, he will make that known. we've already seen that with donald trump. >> could be publicly humilia humiliating. >> he would not be shy. >> yes. >> all right. all staying with me. next, trump businesses spread over at least 25
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"outfront." >> reporter: it started what was billed as a courtesy call, japanese prime minister shinzo abe slipping in a back elevator at trump tower to meet the president-elect. trump's daughter, ivanka, in attendance, but neither reporters nor their cameras were at the meeting which reportedly included a gift of trump of a golf ball like this one, a gold driver worth nearly $4,000. then came the two businessmen from india who have trump properties south of mumbai. according to the trump administration, it was just another social call -- >> very confident he's not breaking any laws. >> reporter: the meeting is raising questions. why it's not illegal for a sitting president to run a business, it's a question of optics and retethics. saudi arabia, china, azerbaijan. a month ago there was worry it was being destroyed by his run
from office, but since november 8th things have changed and presidential ethic experts are saying the only possible solution to end all of trump's conflicts of interest are for trump to sell it all, put the money in a blind trust, and end the trump empire. >> of course a blind trust can work. you have to sell the assets. you can't put the assets in a blind trust and pretend you don't own them. >> reporter: a large part of trump's business is donald trump. trump's partners a across the globe are buying the right to license that brand. it brings them more rent money for office space, condos and hotel rooms. the brand also comes with the trump organization expertise in design, marketing, operation, almost like a franchise. business partners buy in because it sells. and the trumps stay involved to make sure the brand doesn't get tarnished. daniel levinson, a south florida developer, took over a failing trump property and fought to keep the trump brand. because he wanted to make sure he had access to ivanka and eric
trump in almost every part of the deal. >> we wanted the association, they want the continuity of brand and that works on both ends. it's profitable for everybody. >> reporter: in a fox news debate earlier this year, donald trump said instead of selling off the brand, his solution is to pass the brand to the people he has groomed to take it over. all named trump. not exactly a blind trust. >> i have ivanka en erieric and sitting there, run the company, kids, have a good time, i'm going to to it for america, okay? >> erin, back in january before a single primary was held, donald trump's attorney told me the organization at that time was working on a contingency plan for the business should trump win. well, that attorney wouldn't get into the details then, he's not answering my calls today. i think we're going to have to wait and see what kind of businesses trump organization will be during the presidency and more importantly, erin, who is going to run it. >> all right. drew, thank you very much. of course, the all-important
we, let me bring back my panel. carl, let me start with you. trump, as we saw, meeting with two businessmen from india, they currently own trump-branded properties over there and, you know, trump, look at this, here they are with his trademark thumbs up. look, this is -- makes a lot of people uncomfortable. >> right. and you have, you know, what they've always said, the government has always said you have to avoid the illusion, not avoid conflict of interest, the illusion of. i'll say this, obviously i'm a super trump guy here. he needs to decide blind trust, kids, are his kids part of the administration, part of the business? he needs to make a definitive line on that really soon because either way, if he puts in a blind trust, his name is still on it, he's still going to want to promote it, make sure it's profitable. it his kids are in charge, obviously he wants his family to succeed. you're never going to separate trump entirely from this but can draw a very thick line right through the middle of this and has to do it soon. >> alex, here's the thing. he's going to benefit. there are some places it won't
benefit. west side of manhattan, people don't like trump, they rip his name down. around the world, you're going to have countries say, let's give them this deal, let's do that because they think it gets them in with him. >> you got to recognize, this is going to be a presidency like no other presidency. okay? whether donald trump explicitly says it or not, he's thinking like, and he probably will come out and say this at some point, the people who elected me knew i was a billionaire businessman, knew i had properties around the world -- >> they don't care if i profit off this job? >> that's right, as long as america gets better. that's what he's going to say. it they even be true. this will be a blind trusond tr a blind trust ivanka running. >> what shouldn't happen is what happened with the trump international hotel this week, you had foreign diplomats inv e invited saying we encourage you to have your delegations here. >> i totally agree. >> totally an active
solicitation, i gerks uess if, fact, it was. >> i think we're going to have to put up with this stuff. >> do we? >> there are laws against this. they're in danger of violating the laws. i think the trump administration needs to do three things. first they have to release his tax returns regardless -- >> not going to happen. >> i'm just saying if you want to have any -- >> keith, that was a big pile-on -- >> it needs to happen. the idea we think it's not going to happen and think it's accessible is -- >> i don't think it's acceptable at all. >> he's got to release his tax returns, release his tax returns first, divest his holdings. >> it's not going to happen. >> requires he does that or get an exception from the united states congress. and therird, he's got to have a blind trust that is separate from his family members. if we don't hold him accountable for that, we're allowing the most corrupt potential administration in history to
take office. >> the only way to have a conflict of interest is to put it in a blind trust. the chances of happening -- >> the chances are close to zero. he should stop laughing at ethics laws and the rest of us as americans. it is -- it's absolutely clear. just as he conservative friends are saying, the "wall street journal" has editorialized, he ought a liquidate his total interest. once he's liquidated it, put the assets into a blind trust. peter schweitzer wrote clinton cash. you know, very tough book on the clint clintons. he's urging him to do it. the danger here, once again, we're being asked to normalize something that is abnormal and improper. i can't believe 24 hours after this alt-right conference ended in washington, d.c., you know, and breitbart and bannon said breitbart is the main platform of the alt-right. what do we do? we have a conference in washington, d.c., that is overtly racist, overtly anti-semitic and basically is white supremacy. and we're all sort of saying, well, that's just donald trump,
that's just bannon. >> no. we wrote about that at the daily beast. absolutely not. >> there i agree with you. that he's got to disassociate himself from. >> half of the things donald trump has done in the past week, the entire establishment and the media would be eviscerating her. why are we letting donald trump get away with this? he's in danger of violating the constitution and laws of our country. >> are you saying it's okay or going to happen? congress is going to hold him accountable? >> he's not going to get impeached over any of this. he doesn't run a defense company, doesn't run an oil company. >> he's going to benefit every day from this. >> his name on fancy hotels. >> his value is going to rise in certain parts of the world. >> if you thought that wasn't going to happen join voted for him, you're crazy. people knew ma they were gwhat getting. >> he said he was going to have all these ethics rules, drain the swamp. >> we were not supposed to take him seriously. >> did you take him seriously. >> of course i didn't.
apparently somebody did. he got elected. we have to hold him accountable. >> once he takes office, he needs to actually separate these and needs to start doing it soon. the fact is hillary clinton did far worse than this when she was in office. he hasn't done anything wrong yet. >> that is patently false. we have a president-elect -- >> i don't want to talk about hillary clinton anymore, she lost. >> he brought it up. >> thanks -- i will say there is only one way to do it, if there's not going to be a conflict of interest. sell the company and put the proceeds in a blind trust. "outfront" next, trump's team so far all white men. he did meet with america's first african-american billionaire. what did trump say? i'll ask my guest, b.e.t. founder bob johnson. breaking news. arrest in an execution-style killing of a police officer in texas. we're going to go to the ground. t every day earned you miles to get to the places you really want to go. with the united mileageplus explorer card, you'll get a free checked bag,
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hail victory. >> the trump transition team just responding to that alt-right conference saying, "president-elect trump has continued to denounce racism of any kind and he was elected because he'll be a leader for every american. to think otherwise is a complete misrepresentation of the movement that united americans from all backgrounds." steve bannon is fighting back against accusations that he supports white nationalists and anti-semites. brian todd is "outfront." >> reporter: he says darkness is good. he says dick cheney, darth vader, satan, that's power. >> because we are very focused. >> reporter: steve bannon, the rumpled 62-year-old who headed breitbart news has the ear of the president-elect and many worry he will push the platform of the so-called alt right. >> we in our history have never had someone like steve with a platform that he has had at breitbart come into basically be
the co-chief of staff, you know, running the white house and running the agenda of the president. >> reporter: civil rights groups like the anti-defamation league say the alt-right movement is just code for white supremacies and anti-semites. the southern poverty law center says bannon has to go. bannon pushes back telling "the wall street journal," "breitbart is the most pro-israel site in the united states of america. the reporting of young jerks wish students being --" bannon told the "hollywood reporter," i'm not a white nationalist, i'm a nationalist, an economic nationalist. >> what bannon says is he is anti-globalist, anti-elite, a t anti-establishment and he's an economic populist because he believes that the system has hurt and hindered the little guy. has nothing to do with race, religion or anything else. >> reporter: bannon jumped on the trump train early on. telling trump last year he was a
big admirer. >> i said, look, people are leaning forward in these audiences when he was talking. of course we were mocked and ridiculed. >> reporter: now it's bannon who's mocking and ridiculing the mainstream america, failed to recognize the frustration of americans left behind in the global economy. "it's just a circle of people talking to themselves who have no fing idea what's going on. if "the new york times" didn't exist, cnn and msnbc would be a test pattern." kurt, who quit breitbart, feeling it'd become a mouthpiece for trump, is critical of bannon. he says the darkness is good remark as chilling. >> that's how steve used the world. the worst emotions among us can be weaponized and used to advance an agenda. a lot of what you'll see going forward is tapping into anger and fear and hate to try to move their agenda forward. >> the trump transition team did not respond to our numerous requests if response to that particular criticism and steve
bannon did not comment for this story. erin? >> all right, brian todd, thank you very much. "outfront" now one of the people who met with the president-elect trump as he decides key administration positions. bob johnson, founder of b.e.t. you can see johnson shaking hands here with the president-elect before their meeting at trump's golf club in bedminster, new jersey. bob, thank you much for taking the time. good to talk to you again. i want to start with the breaking news if i could here. trump denouncing racism from the alt right. "president-elect trump continues to denounce racism of any kind. to think otherwise is a complete misrepresentation." is this enough? do you believe him? >> well, erin, i'm glad to be here with you. i had a very positive, and i believe, frank and candid discussion with president-elect trump on issues that i believe are important to african-americans and obviously any charges of racism are important to african-americans. i came away from that meeting
understanding that president trump is committed to reaching out to african-americans in a way that i expressed to him when i said, you know, president-elect trump, don't say to black americans what do you have to lose? say to black americans, what do you have to gain by a trump presidency? and in the course of my conversation with him, we talked about a number of issues if implemented by president trump and his administration will demonstrate that african-americans have something to gain by establishing a common ground with the -- with president-elect trump and his administration. >> you know, i think it's fascinating to have this conversation with you. we saw a moment ago, i'll replay it quickly, what happened at this conference which i want to make it clear, the trump administration, trump campaign, has just come out and very clearly said that they denounce this, but here is the group that was out, you know, championing
them, supporting them this weekend. let me just play, again, this nazi salute. >> hail trump. hail our people. hail victory. >> does it disturb you, how do you getarm get your arms aroun fact withdrew hayou have people supporting him, and you had a candid meet and think he's reaching out? >> as an african-american who's been in business and had to grow up from someone who was the first to go to college, to create successful businesses and create wealth for myself and a number of other african-americans, i know that there are people like that in america, it's been that way ever since slavery existed in this country and they're not going to go away tomorrow or the next day. and so as a black american, i
put those people in a certain corner and i put the president and the people who work for him in another corner and that means to me, they got to show me what they're going to deliver to make those kinds of silly, you know, nazi behavior irrelevant to black america. and the proof is in the pudding. if you want to demonstrate to african-americans that you totally reject that kind of behavior, which i believe donald trump and his administration does, then the next question is, okay, we understand that, show me how you're going to help african-americans gain economic growth in this country, jobs, access to capital, and all the things that make you successful in this country and so, you know, that information doesn't bait me to put it on the back of donald trump. >> and when you had your meeting with him, was it just you and
donald trump? was his son-in-law also there, jared kushner? who was else in the room as you had your conversation, bob? >> yeah, i don't want to throw names around, erin, but i will tell you it was the -- it was a group of people who he most respects and brought those people to the table because i think he wanted to have a candid conversation with me to talk about how he can better reach out to the african-american community, particularly on business matters. i approach this thing with the focus on business solutions and social problems. i'm not a politician. i'm not a community leader. i'm more involved in business. donald's in business. i think that's the reason we had a very positive, i believe, and productive conversation. >> and before we go, you are a democrat, of course, bob, you supported hillary clinton. you're talking very positively now about donald trump. was there any talk about you working with donald trump in his administration? >> no. i -- well, i told him that i had
no interest in working in a government, but let me say that you're absolutely right, i'm a tremendous fan of hillary clinton and president clinton, known her them for over 30 years. i'm also a believer that as african-americans, we should not have what one congressman who started the black caucus said, no permanent friends, no permanent enemies and no permanent -- we only should have permanent interests and if black americans can turn the republican party into a friend, they should do it. if they can keep the democratic party as a friend, they should do it. our interests should focus on our self-interests and not be locked in one party or ignored by the other party. and as president obama and hillary clinton said, if we can find common ground with president-elect trump, we ought to do it in the best interest of african-americans, best interest of the country. >> very good to talk to you, bob. i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> thanks, erin.
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breaking news, governor chris christie of new jersey breaking his silence over the rumors that he and donald trump are now at odds. christie says, nothing could be further from the truth. >> there's never been a cross word between us in terms of our feelings toward each other. >> so all this stuff where he was disappointed in you because of bridge-gate, angry at all -- all of that, none of that ever happened? >> crap. >> it comes as president-elect trump finds himself at odds with "saturday night live" and the broadway show "ham"hamilton" hammering both in a series of tweets. bri brian stelter is "outfront." >> reporter: that's "hamilton star" brandon dixon responding to donald trump's twitter fight with the most acclaimed show on
broadway. ♪ not throwing away my shot >> reporter: trump lashed out at the cast tweeting they harassed future v.p. mike pence. after dixon delivered this message following friday night's performance with pence right there in the room. >> we are the diverse america who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us. >> reporter: with the president-elect back in firm control of his twitter account, he's not letting go of any perceived slight. calling the cast rude and writing, "the cast and producers of "hamilton" which i hear is highly overrated, should immediately apologize to mike pence for their terrible de hb r behavior." >> they were very inappropriate. >> google what is isis? >> reporter: after "snl" portrayed him as in over his head, trump fired back on twitter. "it is a totally one-sided biased show. nothing funny at all. equal time for us?"
alec baldwin what plays trump respond "equal time? election is over. there is no more equal time. you t you try to be president and people respond." his campaign manager says his tweeting is a nonissue. >> who's to say he can't do that, make a comment, spend five minutes on a tweet? you're assigning malice, you're assigning wrongdoing to him where it doesn't exist and i think we all should have learned a lesson from the election that that doesn't fly with the voters. >> reporter: some media watchers are worried trump's tendency to lash out could over time hurt free speech. others say a thicker skin would just serve him well. >> he's going to be made fun of as he should be. any president will be and should be. he's got such a thin skin he can't just shrug a tough. >> reporter: shrug it off is exactly what mike pence did after the stars of "hamilton" spoke up. >> i wasn't offend i by what was said. i'll leave to others whether it was the appropriate join to say it. >> reporter: whether trump can take a cue from his v.p. and
tone down his reactions remains to be seen. now this "hamilton" debate shows the trump divide in action. his critics say he's being unpresidential by tweeting his complaints. other love that he's sticking up to his v.p. and sticking it to the elites. the culture war rolls on. erin? >> thank you very much, brian. "outfront," sally cohn, host of the "ben ferguson show." sally, let me start with you. president-elect trump says mike pence was harassed at the broadway show, deserves an apology and should never happen in a place like theater. >> two points to be made here, one, the deep irony, not only is trump demanding an apology from anyone else, but mr. i ran against political correctness and safe spaces suddenly wants a safe space for his vice presidential, you know, running
mate, like that's just sad. the bigger thing here, though, this, i do believe, whether it was orchestrated or taken advantage of by trump in order to distract from the trump university settlement, news of his meetings with indian business executives, this just seems like a massive distraction orchestrated by mr. trump. >> ben? >> sally, the fact that you'd have to have mind control over the "hamilton" group that decided to chastise the vice president, incoming vice president, in a classless way showing no respect for the voters of this country, showing no respect for the office and showing no respect for not only just a man who came to be entertained. this was not the right venue for this and to say that somehow this is a distraction from other issues is hysterical because they couldn't control the classlessness of the "hamilton" cast and decided to say, hey, get your cell phones out and tape this, let it go viral. they obviously got punked at
their own game. let me say this about donald trump. donald trump is not going to be orthodox. we all know that. he can get it off his chest and say what he thinks. his supporters love him for doing this. without having a press conference. because let's be honest, he was going to be asked about this by the media. so preemptively, he says, here are my thoughts on "hamilton," the way they treated my vice president. he might deal with it a different way, i'm going to exactly what i think, people love him for it. >> first of all, the cast of "hamilton" is classless? mike pence very well knew what he was getting into. in new york he could have -- he could have seen -- he could have seen "the lion king" and gott gotten -- >> he said it was a good play, reviews do say it is, ben, even though trump says it's not. >> the larger issue, to say the cast of "hamilton" was not classy -- >> when you go to a play, you don't expect they're going to turn political on you and the audience. let's be clear, when he goes there -- sally, sally, sally,
let's be honest here. when you go to a play, whether you're barack obama, michelle obama, or mike pence or donald trump, you're not expecting for the entire cast to come out and say, hey, everybody in the audience, get your cell phones out and start tweeting this because it's about to get good and we're going after that guy in a political statement. that's absurd. >> that's classless, but when donald trump talks about, you know, women as fat pigs and grabbing them by the -- that's classless. let me take a point, that queasy feeling that we're all feeling right now if you're feeling it -- >> not all of us are. >> the queasy feel is the tail of donald trump wagging the media. this is three days later. we're still talking about this. we're not talking about his questionable business -- >> we are, we actually have already done that this hour. >> we are. >> not we generally, but when you look at the google searches of what actually was trending in searches and conversations across america, across the public, driven by media but
other dynamics -- >> sally, if you don't like it -- >> ben, he managed to get this conversation to trump, conversations about his university, his debacle settlement. so, come on. >> sally. >> he's playing us. we're playing into it. >> if you don't like it -- >> final word. >> if you don't like it, then maybe you should look at the cast of "hamilton" and say, this was a bad mistake. this was a bad idea. and when people come to a play, show a little bit of class and respect for the office. if someone did this to barack obama or joe biden, i would condemn it because it's not the place to do it. >> just because one is classless does not mean someone else has the right to be classless. >> pretty classy statement. >> all right, thank you, both. "outfront" next, breaking news, a horrific school bus crash in tennessee. and texas police making an arrest in the execution-style of a san antonio police officer. we'll go to the ground after this. what powers the digital world. communication. that's why a cutting edge university counts on centurylink to keep their global campus connected.
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>> there are many facets of the case which still need to be investigated. this investigation is by no means over. the motive or the capital murder is still unknown. >> reporter: so while this active manhunt is over, we still don't know why the suspect targeted this police officer or if he actually did target this officer. was there some kind of personal grievance? or was there a grievance against the police department as a whole? that we don't know, erin, but as the mayor said tonight, at least the city of san antonio can breathe a little easier. erin? >> in that sense, finding him obviously crucial. it's awful to imagine the pain his family is going through. and dan, four shootings of officers in just 24 hours. any sense as to why all of this in just one day? >> reporter: it's really a mystery, and it's really sort of unprecedented. we haven't seen this really in quite some time or even ever to
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have thrown their hats into the ring. chuck schumer and bernie sanders have thrown support behind ellison. we have idea to hear of hispanic or lateen owes signal their interest for the job. bottom line, the party was not prepared for any of this at all. they need a game plan and need one fast. joining me now is likely going to be one of the people. it's congressman javier basera from the house democratic caucus. great to see you. >> great to be with you. >> let me start with the protests of the streets. is this -- plenty of democratic leaders said understand the protest, but don't do the violence. is this the time to protest or not? what is your message to the protesters? >> civic participation and
restrictions for those who try to manipulate currency to get an advantage against the u.s.? >> those are things if he works on it, you want to work with him? >> we were talking about it way before donald trump. he will find democratic support in that direction, but if he wants to tell an immigrant family you can't stay in this country and tell a judge because of his heritage that he can't be a good judge, he will have someone fighting against him. >> i want to read you something harry reid wrote. it's tough. the election of donald trump is emboldened the forces of bigotry and hate. watching white nationalistings celebrate and others cry tears of fear does not feel like america. a sexual predator who lost the pop lawyer vote and fuelled his campaign with bigotry and hate. harsh words in there. i know many democrats believe everything that he said in there and she feeding that passion.
heritage, you can't be a good judge. we have to be ready to stand up. that anxiety that was expressed in this vote is where we have to as democrats convey to the families, got your back. >> it looks like there is a rush to endorse keith ellison. those are three pretty powerful names to get behind. it's almost a coronation. is it? so did the others have you heard. i don't think we are going to stop. they voted for democrats and
made it clear. we look like the rest of america. the party will reflect that very well. >> there is a danger. it turns out for all america. what do you say to that. >> we have their back as well. we have to prove to them. >> donald trump follows through and makes sure that jobs are coming back from joefr seas. we have been talking about that for a long time. i would love to hear how he was going to look to do that, but they fought laws that made sure we can keep jobs in america. we worked to make sure that rural america has the support it needs making sure we have affordable health care and not getting rid of something they benefitted from. >> president-elect trump was asked about obamacare and talked upkeeping preexisting conditions and keeping kids on health care. does that make you feel a little better? >> it makes it clear that what he said as candidate he can no
longer say as president-elect. >> there are great candidates out there right now. >> that's not a no. >> i am not looking to run. >> for recruited? >> that was the asked that was asked about vice presidency. >> california governor. that's closer to no. thanks for coming in. >> certainly no shortage of ideas in the democratic party and how to right the ship. here's howard dean making his pitch to run the dnc earlier today on msnbc with my colleague. >> we have a lot of work to do in the democratic party. my plan is to reach out to young people. they are devastated by the loss and now understands that politics matters.
i like keith ellison a lot. he's a good guy. you cannot do this job and sit in a political office at the same time. it's not possible. we have seen what happens. debbie wassermann schultz was not the only one to do this. this is more than a full time job and we have to rebuild of what has been a tragedy for the democratic party, but perhaps for the country. we don't know. this is a big rebuilding job and i like keith. i would be happy to help and support him, but not if he is going to sit in congress. a large number of dnc members believe that. >> there you go. let's bring in the panel. the former chairman, michael steel. "washington post" fix boss and political analyst and "the washington post" deputy ruth marcus. hello all. michael steel, you run for a chairmanship before. you know what it's like.
it's not one on cable. explain how you win. >> it is on tarmacs and in board rooms and barns. wherever you find your committee men and women. you have to go to them. we rented a plane and erp on commercial flights. to run for chairman is at least a 50 to $60,000 proposition. you have to raise money for it and get the grass roots and knock on doors and call people. >> it's small for voters. >> here's the thing. 168 for the republicans and four times that. >> what a surprise. >> it seems like the field will get big in a hurry. >> that's right. >> i heard about it. >> you heard them say there are other good people if you run. he could be one of them. >> you heard his name, a younger
up and coming star in the democratic party as well. martin o'malley has thrown his name in the ring. we will see more. >> it's an interesting thing because this always happens when you lose an election and particularly when you think you will win as a party. there are several camps that diagnose what you need to do differently. this is the smartest political person not in the white house. progressive. a person of color. it's an interesting argument because you look at where they lost. maybe you say those states are gone in the future, but they lost parts of pennsylvania and they lost parts of michigan and ohio. i could make a strong case for someone like joe biden with that
profile. >> i will give you a name. the lone wolf screaming about that. >> he is a grown up and a governor. he is a veteran of this administration. he knows rural america. he has been talking about opioid abuse. he was there to fix the mecha c mechani mechanics. i would argue a lot of people. ed you to be a spokesperson and a mechanic. they wanted you out in public. >> they didn't want that. that's different. they don't know what the committee members want.
>> if i could offer up a word of caution. the base is making it clear. i would not assume that because you label a congressman a progressive that that's where progressives in california and florida and progressives elsewhere have their head. they need to be careful because they can do it before it launches. democrat i republican, across the board. they are about the grass roots. they are about something different than what you see in washington. this is a power vacuum that 72 hours ago. no one thought they were going to exist. it's like a black hole. the opportunity that now exists.
let's assume obama is on the stage. there is a lot of opportunity there. that's why you will see more people. wait a minute. now is the time. it's so unexpected. >> everybody will have so many other kids to scramble after. this is the only that is left. i had an e-mail from a reader who said please can you get michelle obama to run for it? >> she is not going to do dnc chair. >> as if. >> i want to play for you, i get what you are saying about washington. elizabeth warren is popular with the base. >> people have a right to be angry. angry that wages have been stagnant for a generation. angry that washington eagerly
protects the tax breaks for billionaires while it refuses to raise the minimum wage. angry that washington pushes big corporate interests in trade deals. angry that washington tilts the playing field for giant corporations. angry that working people are in debt. >> my producer listened to that and he said sounds like a progressive trump. channel in anger. >> we have been talking throughout the campaign that the thing that hillary clinton has never been able to be and cannot be is a pop lift when that's what people were looking for. that's no secret. i thought donald trump had done and said things image-wise that would make him unsatisfactory as an alternative, but she was not a good fit not only for the democratic primary, but for a
general electorate. that is angry. >> the speech is fascinating. she identifies specific areas of potential agreement for president trump. it will be interesting to so how they decided to work with him. >> a programming note, michael moore will join us at 8:00 p.m. eastern on to discuss the country's reaction to the election and to the protest movements. coming up, the one fact that should have told us all along that donald trump would win the election. how did we miss it?
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inexperienced and not having the right temperament and some were attacked for both. you know what else? each got the support of blue collar voters, working class voters over candidates with more experience and the deeper resumes. think about it. carey, clinton. my gosh. when folks are living paycheck to paycheck, they want something better than now and they gravitate to something different. it's simple in hindsight and we forget the power of the changed candidate and changed message and inexperience ends up being the asset to those voters. let me bring in the next guest. chris clay is policy editor for dtn's progressive farmer. he is a journalist that covers and lives in rural america.
>> you had a powerful analysis of what happened the trump-pence signs or the hillary for prison 2016 signs. there were not a clinton cane signs. explain why hillary clinton was so unpopular in rural america and whether there was anything she could have done about it. >> there were so many factors with hillary. he was unable in iowa to beat president obama in 2008. she barely scratched out a victory over bernie sanders in the caucuses and that was contested. they had resentment or unwillingness to embrace her.
she was not able to catch on and communicate with your average rural blue collar worker or farmer. >> what moved the obama voting iowan in some of those farm communities in northeast iowa, traditional democratic area, i can't believe the counties that flipped. why did these obama voters become trump voters? >> in 2012 you had really strong farm economy at that point. farmland prices were really strong. farm commodity prices were good. right now commodity prices have continued to slip. now you are seeing actually the
federal reserve start to stress that the farmers are now tight on working cash and they are going to the lenders more. the farmers themselves are much more stressed. the counties that obama won, they had a lot of dairy farmers up there and a lot of very commodity producers and overall they were not as willing to give another chance to a democrat this time around. >> they want to throw you a few questions. >> tell us what attracted. you have given us a wonderful vision of what the concerns were. what was the attraction of donald trump? change in one sense. there was also a belief among some people that he will be able
to make changes to these trade agreements. i think that might be tough. we export a lot of commodities under nafta right now. it might be more difficult to actually find markets in mexico and canada that are not already accepting our crops and wheat and dairy products and things like that. but also just the regulatory issues. that was something that a lot of people didn't dmee on. there is a rule under the epa called the waters of the u.s. every farm group in the country. liberal and conservative. they have hammered on the issue. they want to get rid of it. they are terrified of it. if you read the rule, it is mind-numbing what it does. clinton supported it. trump continued to hammer he was going to get rid of the rule
from day one. that was a key point. they believe that the regulatory yolk will be lifted off of them and as far as farmers were correspond, that drove them in a big way. >> in addition to the economic narrative, how did the social narrative play out? with the descriptions of the rural america and the talk about deplorables and the language that sort of cropped up in this election, how did that play in effect the thinking of farmers and people, middle class workers in your area? >> it's difficult because honestly a lot of farmers and rural people really gravitate towards conservative media. they were maybe not hearing so much or paying as close attention to trump's rhetoric. there might have been a belief that they didn't take trump
literally and took him seriously. it was a phrase i had heard used once. they also heard media that constantly hammered on clinton's trustworthiness. among e van gel kals, there was a strong belief and christianity and faith has been lost in the country. i had the same conversation with a man from my church a few weeks ago and he was really hammering on that point that he did not believe that the democrats put much emphasis on god and christianity any longer. i know that's not the case, but that is a perception. >> chris? >> a lot of the analysis, particularly among democrats and liberal democrats said it was all about race. donald trump appealed to our
darker natures, particularly in some of these more rural communities. you offered a more nuanced take about it. can you -- how much of people you talked to in your reporting, how much did race come up if at all. it may not have because people are uncomfortable to talk about it, but is it a factor if not the factor? >> i think immigration issue is a huge factor in rural america. people are concerned they are losing their culture somewhat. they are uncomfortable around seeing increasing minorities in particular areas that don't speak their language. don't go to the same churches they grew up with. those kinds of things. it was a concern, but you take a look at iowa. barack obama won iowa twice. hillary clinton got clobbered in
rural iowa. it wasn't that she lost the counties i but by such a wide margin. it couldn't have been race because these upper midwest states supported obama twice and turned away from clinton in droves. >> i have to leave it there. we have about 17 more questions for you. i have a feeling that hopefully you will be a familiar face to our viewers. >> thank you for having me. >> thank you for having me. >> you guys are stuck. >> anyway. >> donald trump's transition team is in transition. a big name is out and a new big name is back in. stay with us. ♪ see ya next year.
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>> in the fast moving world of the transition, chris christie is out and mike pence is in. the transition team does now include three of donald trump's children and his son in law. what may be a related note to staffing at the trump white house, we learned that trump's former campaign manager and still an on again off again personal adviser resigned officially from his job at cnn. the new team includes my next guest, congressman chris collins, the first member of congress to endorse donald trump. welcome back and congratulations. >> chuck, it has been a whirl wind and before we start, i want to thank the veterans today on veterans day for their service to the country and tell you how
honored i was to present five gold medals to world war ii tus keegee air men. >> that are is amazing. any day you get to spend with a world war ii veteran, you need to cherish. they have unbelievable stories. let me start with your role. can you explain what your is what what advise you are being asked to give? >> i will be a member on executive council along with donald's kids and ivanka's husband and great other members. it's going to be a job of vetting the candidates for the 4,000 or so positions. 350 in the west wing. we will see when the new executive director, how we divvy that out. none of that has been detailed.
we put this together today. when we are back monday in d.c., we will detail more of it out. i'm honored to being asked to serve on this council. >> one of the challenges i feel like you will face is similar to what barack obama faced when he got here. he ran as an outsider and promised that you weren't going to see the same types of people. he didn't use the phrase drain the swamp, but it was implied with turn the page. donald trump used drain the swamp. there are only so many people with the right amount of experience to do these jobs. how to you make sure that you are bringing in people that aren't just coming from the other side and the rules you hope will prevend that oh, geez it's just the republicans and
they are in charge and vice-versa? less regulation and getting back to the federal government and doing what it should, but relying on the states and the tenth amendment to do the rest. the division starts with president-elect trump. we get into the cabinet officials and people believe in smaller government and less regulations. that's a mantra that we have. you are going to need institutional knowledge. no question. we just need to make sure that those bringing in the institutional knowledge that served in various roles also understand less regulations. i do believe i will work.
you can marry those two, but it starts with a strong division that everyone adheres to. >> i was struck by a comment that trent lott made. he wants to drain the swamp and some of them have to help us navigate his way in and out of the swamp. the point that was lobbyists and the community that are a necessary evil. what's your view on that? we are talking about the folks that are doing the nuts and bolts of keeping our government running. knowing that we have a different vision and we need the skill sets. they will have to understand that it's a smaller government, less regulation and
understanding where the federal government starts and stops and state's rights starts and stops. i don't think we need any lobbyists coming in. >> would you propose anybody who has been a registered lobbyist that shouldn't be able to serve in the trump cabinet? >> i never go to extremes like that, but in vetting we have to know where their values are and what the focus is. it ams can back to the vision of smaller government and less regulation and state's rights and clearly what donald trump talked about whether it's n an all of the above policy or when we replace obamacare and making sure we don't disadvantage everyday americans and we won't. it's a monumental task that i'm up to and others are as well. >> we will have more time to do that. congressman chris collins, thanks for coming on.
always good to talk with you. >> you too. have a great day. >> on "meet the press," i will talk to one of the key figures who helped make donald trump president and a fresh perspective on what went so wrong for hillary clinton and the democrats. why i'm already obsessed with the next big election fight. student. if you're totally blind, you may also be struggling with non-24. calling 844-844-2424. or visit my24info.com.
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protesting. and i think there's a lot of unhappiness in the country and it's probably good to let that out. i think where it goes too far is, obviously, in violence, and it also goes too far when you talk about calling for his impeachment. that's just as wrong as it would be, to talk about hillary clinton's impeachment. >> well, it was just as bad when jason chaffetz was talking about -- >> ridiculous then and progressives attacked it. it's ridiculous now and conservatives are -- >> yeah, he was elected. a lot of people, myself included, were not happy with that outcome, but it is the democratic outcome. popular vote notwithstanding. we solve our problems in america through elections. >> beauty of the ballot box. >> he won. and you don't have to like that, but he won. people say, well, he didn't win the popular vote, but that's not how the system works. >> those aren't the rules. >> somebody made a great point, i saw on twitter, like saying, well, we got the most hits in baseball, so we won.
well, we don't do it on hits. my ap, john, said it better. he said, yeah, one team can hit five home runs and the other team can hit two, but if all theirs are solo and the others are five-run homers, you lose. >> i'm with ruth. part to have democracy is we respect the result and we respect the rights of people to say, you know what, i want to voice my concern with that. the thing that i don't like about it is the attempt to de-legitimatize trump. simply because you don't believe him doesn't mean that the 59 million people who voted for him were wrong or it's rigged in some way. he won! you have the right to protest. civilly, without violence. but it doesn't -- >> michael, what's donald trump's responsibility here? because, he -- look, he blew it last night. obviously, he woke up and realized -- self-corrected. >> self-corrected! >> corrected, one way or
another. >> it got corrected. >> it got corrected. and you know, you know, basically, crisis averted -- what could have been his first crisis, averted. but it is on him to calm the water, whether he likes it or not. >> my take on that is very simple. you're president and a lot of stuff is going to be coming. incoming every day. it's not personal. it's your job. and you cannot react the way you did initially and i think someone or the at least he did realize that. i think for donald trump, what he has an opportunity to do now, he's the first president in a long time to be elected the unencan you remembune unencumber unencumbered. he's not beholden to the democrats or the republicans. so he in my view can create an opportunity for pragmatic populism, where he can go out into the country and put together the deals that makes america great again, but more importantly, addresses issues like we see on the streets right now and also addresses issues that go to the economic heart of the country. >> hey, i want to bring up
something. we didn't get a chance to sort of debrief after talking with chris clayton. there was one other point. chris clayton makes on my podcast, 1947, ding ding, be sure to download it. >> and subscribe. >> there you go. he said, the way we in the media analyzed the policies and talked about the split between college-educated whites and noncollege-educated whites. get what america heard when we did that? >> dumb. >> the smart people and the dumb people. just because you didn't go to college doesn't make you dumb. and clinically, when we would describe it, when i would describe it, it was an academic, clinical -- >> but that's not how it was taken. >> i've been guilty of this. i said, i think it was on a different network, i described uneducated voters -- >> you know what, they're plenty educated. >> that was wrong. and i wanted to take this to a responsibility that the president-elect has. he has said a lot of things that were hurtful to people.
they are protesting in the streets in a way that they wouldn't have protest romney, that they didn't protest president bush after he settled. he needs to be aware of that. >> i'm sorry. time cop! sorry! guess what, we can talk about it in ten seconds while we throw to break. thank you, michael, chris, and ruth. wonderful comments, ruth. thank you for saying those, as well. we'll be right back.
about mexico, here is president trump announcing the cancellation of his meeting with the mexican president in philadelphia today. >> the president of mexico and myself have agreed to cancel our planned meeting scheduled for next week. unless mexico is going to treat the united states fairly, with respect, such a meeting would be fruitless and i want to go a different route. we have no choice. >> so david, was this sort of a mutual agreement, a mutual cancellation, or do you think that the mexican president pulled the plug? >> i think that the mexican president pulled the plug, and he did that because donald trump frankly put him in a corner. he kept in a tweet sort of pushing mexico saying you know you have to pay for the wall. i think nieto has to worry about his own political audience, mexicans were outraged, angry at
him for months, if we talk this way to china, chinese are not going to stand for china backing down. this is very different from a business deal where you're bluffing. foreign leaders have to stand up for themselves just for their own political survival. they just started. it's a dangerous pattern. >> mark, i want to talk about the time line here because the mexican president said he was still planning to come to washington despite pressure at home to cancel the trip. and early this morning it came out on twitter, donald trump said if mexico is unwilling to pay for the badly needed wall then it would be better to cancel the upcoming meeting. and then a few hours later the mexican president tweeted this, this morning we have informed the white house that i will not attend the meeting scheduled for next tuesday with the president of the united states. so president trump has not even been in office for a week and already kicked off a major diplomatic spat, what is your
reaction? >> well, a couple of things. he certainly was not rolling out the welcome mat in the tweet. as david said, the president of mexico was pushed into a corner. if you just go back a few months, you know that donald trump made an unprecedented visit to mexico, the mexico at that time. and they had a joint news conference and there were questions about whether or not the wall was discussed or not. but the president of mexico is under an incredible amount of pressure at home, and to look like he is bending at the knee and kissing the ring of donald trump is not going to look well for him. but had he publicly declared they were not going to pay for the wall, had they gone to the magazine and said they were not going to pay for it. i think donald trump dodged one by not having the mexican president come to the united states. it's not going to be donald trump and the mexican president who were going to be able to figure out the trade deal. it will be those who work
underneath him who really do the dirty details. >> michelle, the mexican foreign minister is in washington, responding to president trump tonight. watch. >> we simply cannot accept the concept of a neighbor paying for your own wall. that is something that does not happen. in communities, between -- between citizens, and something that would be totally unacceptable between nations. this is something that we would not do, we would never do. and because this is about -- this is about our dignity. and our pride. >> it sounds pretty final, michelle, is that the final word on the thing -- >> i mean, it does sound that way. i think the trump administration seems determined to find a way
to make mexico pay. we're talking about tariffs and a trade war that would ultimately affect the consumers. or an aide that the u.s. provides to mexico. this relationship is important to both countries. we are neighbors, obviously. trade is a big deal. it's a big number. but so are things like counterterrorism, stopping the flow across the board, mexico does that as well so mexico has a few cards to play here. and did anyone not see this coming? i mean, before the election there was all this talk about the wall. you know, hyper-heated words like calling mexicans rapists. president pena nieto referred to
donald trump as hitler in the same sentence. i think this was bound to come to a head. maybe once this has gotten past and everybody sees exactly what is in these executive orders and finds out a lot more detail about what is being proposed then the relationship can move on from there. but it looks like it's going to be rocky for sometime, to say the least. >> david. >> the odd thing is, there are not tides of people coming over the border. there is not a great threat, there is a debate over whether we even need the wall. and the mexican immigrant specialists say the wall won't stop the problem anyway. so the narrative is not really supported by facts. >> most people are coming in via airplanes and over-staying their visas. thank you, appreciate it. and one man who maybe has the toughest job in washington,
that is sean spicer who speaks for donald trump. we'll talk about that. sometimes you just know when you hit a home run.
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president trump is no fan of the news media, regularly calling reporters dishonest. his chief strategist blasting the press in no uncertain terms. all that would seem to put white house press secretary in a difficult position. cnn's chief correspondent dana bash has more. >> don, steve bannon says that the media should keep their mouth shut, referring to the media as the opposition party. every day, his press secretary is speaking to the country but focusing on the audience of one, his boss, the president. >> sean spicer is now one of the most visible people in the world. >> thanks no coming out to our
first official briefing. >> reporter: white house spokesperson is always one of the hardest jobs in washington, but speaking for president trump takes hard to a whole new level. >> what evidence do you have of widespread voter fraud in this election if that is the case? >> the president does believe that, stated it before. >> spicer spent two decades in washington working up to this. the naval officer who was still an active reservist, was a press secretary and on the committee. >> you're not draining the swamp with him. >> spicer was at the rnc, they did battle but also did good, making bets for charity. >> he is a good egg, someone who i think is really a decent and good person. you envy somebody in that role. >> why? >> well, i mean, you know, there are a few of us in this business. that i would really like to do that, i would like to be white
house press secretary. >> spicer's friends tell cnn that being the press secretary is his dream come true, yet the first full day was like a nightmare. >> there is a lot of talk to hold donald trump accountable. i'm here to tell you that it goes two ways. >> a quickly arranged meeting, a direct meeting from the president. >> this is the first time in our nation's history that floor covering was used to protect the grass on the mall. >> after getting pounded, spicer came back looking for a do-over. >> there are certain things we may not fully understand when we come out but our intention is never to lie to you. >> at the rnc during the primaries, spicer publicly criticized trump. >> as far as painting mexican-americans with that kind of a brush, that doesn't help the cause. >> when trump won in november,
spicer with the help of long-time boss and chief of staff reince priebus began to lobby to be presidential spokesperson, coming right back to work as transition spokesperson after his father passed away, which sources say showed trump how much spicer wanted the job, because he was not an early loyalist, at times spicer appears to go out of his way to prove his mettle to his abu boss. >> he has not changed a strange habit. chewing multiple packs of gum and swallowing it. his wife and two children always come first along with his country. >> one thing about him, he is a true patriot. he will focus on the right priorities. >> even before he worked for president trump, spicer has always been eager to do battle with reporters he thought were
unfair or getting a story wrong. but he also has a long history of good relationships with journalists. balancing those two dynamics is a learning curve for any press secretary, especially one constantly watching from down the hall. >> there is no reason for anybody to expect the white house will stop taking shots at the media. but does fighting with the press actually help the president and his agenda? if you have medicare parts a and b and want more coverage, guess what?
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keep their mouth shut and listen. they don't understand the country and why donald trump is president of the united states. labelling the media as opposition party, saying keep our mouths shut. we're playing his hands. he knew it would be covered. >> he's sowing divisions, trying to play the base who is skeptical of the media against it. but it's corrosive to media to hate the press this way. >> salena, do you think his helps his agenda to fight with the media? >> it's always been part of his thing right? up until he won the nomination used us very effective and brilliant way. and as soon as he won the nomination, he understood we were the opposition. low approval ratings and easy target. anything said, that's just the media. and so that definitely plays into his hands. look, what bannon said has not
ever been said ever in an administration, just using inside voices. he actually said it out loud. and it escalates this battle between us and honestly, i don't think it helps anybody. because it just tunes everybody out to the whole dialogue, and we're not paying attention to the important things like you know what is his policy? what will he do going forward? we're so focused on all of this sort of white noise that you know it's keeping us from reporting on everything that he is doing and in some ways that does help him. >> i was just e-mailing with the head of the committee, and normally they try to help countries like syria and russia and iran, he is now paying more attention to the united states, he believes it undermines the press. steve bannon sought to promote that. don, i think it gets to your
point how bannon wants us talking about it. he wants the media to be offensive, we have to note it but keep playing our own game. >> i thought it was interesting that our colleague, maggie, the words dishonest, trump does not hate the media. doesn't mean he understands what it's like being potus. there are a lot of people -- >> he was up watching fox news this morning at 55:00 a.m. this issue on criticizing the press, partly it's about creating confusion so people don't know what is true or what is false. today, trump said the murder rate the philadelphia has been increasing. the murder rate in philadelphia has been on the decline. the mayor of philadelphia is blasting trump for that, yesterday, he said there were
two people shot in chicago when president obama was giving his farewell address. the tribune confirms, nobody was sh shot during the speech. there was another person shot, he continues to mislead people and sews confusion, sometimes it helps people in power. the point is to refuse to be confused. >> he has very strong support with the police, and saying that they worked hard to protect him in philadelphia. salena, the president sat down with fox news and the cia speech came up again, watch this. >> there was one standing ovation, the whole thing. so i get back and i will say fox treated it great. they said it was great. when our new person running, mike pompeo is fantastic, he
said to me the other day that was so great. everybody loved it. when i got back i saw the speech, they didn't like it. it was not respectful. it was a smattering of applause, there were over 300 people in the room. over a thousand wanted to come. if i took a vote right now i would have won 350-0, but even that was demeaned as much as they can demean it. what i'm saying, sean, is this, much of the media is very, very dishonest, honestly it's fake news. it's fake. they make things up. >> so the cia story, his speech, maybe mentioned in passing on this show, i can't remember it. maybe somebody mentioned it in a response, had he not spoken about it we would have moving on to something else. so my question, is he expecting the media to pander to him.
it seems like somehow he thinks that anything other than glowing coverage is unfair criticism. >> here is what i think, i think he has had a breathtaking week. if we took all of this noise aside and took a look at everything he has done from tpp to mexico city, to taking that back. to meeting with the ceos, and meeting with the head of the car companies. talking with all of those labor unions and trade unions, and i mean, obamacare, it's just -- in egypt, this has been a fast-paced great week. and the only thing that has gotten in the way of it is just focusing on these things that don't matter. and i haven't quite decided yet if it's to his advantage or disadvantage, but as the press i
would like to be talking about policies, the effect they have on people, the economy, the national security, i feel like that is what we should be doing as a press but we sort of have been boondoggled by all of this white noise. >> yeah, when the president talks about something he is the leader of the free world and we talk about it. >> but i think some things were crucial, if he didn't bring up the ratings or the crowd sizes then there wouldn't be these distractions. there would be more conversation about the policies. it's about the fundamental fact of his taking criticism. he is still watching tv in the white house. we're all wondering if that will rise. >> if you don't want to talk about it, don't bring it up. you just let it go. >> and he is doing interviews. >> that is a positive. listen, you're out with a new piece on cnn.com, brian, you say
that the president is fox news's top pr guy. >> what i mean by that, he is promoting fox, he said to david muir, turn on fox, they gave my speech a positive coverage. this is a continued spin on opposing the media that he doesn't think is fair, but preferring another. he is consuming a lot of media. and i hope that had when he is watching this network and other coverage, he is learning more about how to govern the country. it is very clear, especially for this businessman, there is a learning curve, maybe cable news has a responsibility to educate trump and his news. >> there is so much opposition because of that. thank you, president trump turning out executive orders as
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for a man who cares so much about ratings president trump cannot be happy about the latest polls that we have here. joseph bareli, new york city councilman, and democratic strategist and host of the pod cast "working life." >> i'm here. >> i want to make sure. so you're ganged up tonight -- >> i'm ganged up on, i handled it before. >> all right, matt, let's talk about this new poll, only that 36% of americans approve about how he is doing his job, 44% disapprove. how does he turn it around at this point? >> well, the only people less popular are at this table. so step one, to keep a campaign going and go after the media, that is part of it. look, this will sound you know, hackneyed maybe, but it's an opportunity. if you start off very high with
huge expectations, there is nowhere to go but down. donald trump can now build from this. he has to turn it around. how will he do that? if people start to get jobs, the economy turn around, those numbers will fix themselves. >> i don't disagree with you -- >> politics is always about over-promise, under-achieve. >> welcome to the show, do you think republicans, joseph, in congress are concerned about those numbers? >> well, i think as far as the republican base they should not be. because republicans in this poll were very supportive of donald trump. i think republicans in congress are looking at this as somebody who is fulfilling nine out of ten promises he made on the campaign trail. and i think they have to be happy about his performance so far. he is doing what the party wanted him to campaign on and what he in fact promised himself. they are willing to make good on funding the wall and repealing
obamacare. >> i think we have been reporting here on cnn that he is doing what he said he is going to do. now whether or not these executive orders have teeth, he is doing exactly what he said he is going to do. if not for the self-inflicted wound -- let's weigh on the analysis. the republicans approve 81%, right? democrats disprove 77%, independent voters, 45%. so far it's not actually you know know -- >> his approval ratings and likeability ratings have not been strong for quite sometime. to be honest, i don't think their team cares about p populari popularity, they care about performances and policies and promises. as joseph said look, he campaigned on repealing obamacare and building a wall
and securing the border and already he is out of the gate. i think you have to give him credit for focusing on what is important is doing the job of president and not being like president of his fraternity. he is president of the united states. >> but his team does not care about the polls and numbers, i mean, you know he does. i just wonder if you're worried about -- you can weigh in, the independent numbers because that is where folks that -- >> well, certainly, we saw from the coalition that actually elected donald trump, he pulled over a significant number of independents. the q-poll is not the only one out there, the rasmussen poll last week was gospel when it had barack obama at 60%, and the media talked about him at the highest ratings ever. now they have donald trump at 59%. >> we never use rasmussen polls because they're heavily weighted the other way.
>> and then you -- the huffington post did a story on -- >> do you believe "the huffington post"? >> donald trump did not win the popular vote in the election, that is just fact. >> democrats love pointing that out. >> i didn't mean it to bring it up in terms of illegitimate numbers. a lot of people don't go to the polls, i assume -- i don't know if they were just registered polls, look at what is happening in the street, there is a rebellion going on, the march, that was unprecedented. the number of people who turned out to protest against donald trump. donald trump is not a liked politician. and he is reinforcing that by
frankly his personal behavior. when you try to govern by twitter, i think people out there, the average person is reacting. this man is out of control. >> even his even supporters say he would show a little by -- >> it is a polarized country, too, if hillary clinton were president, i don't think her numbers would be terribly high right now either. >> my colleague, van jones said when you were talking about the number of people out there the day after the inauguration, he said all you have to do is look back remember? we covered the tea party, all you have to do is look at the tea party and how those things can become a movement. so when i bring up the independent numbers i just wonder if it's concerning. at the same time, 53% of americans say they're optimistic about the next four years. 44% say he will help rather than hurt the economy. again, those are not great numbers. should there be some concern within the republican party and
within the trump administration that -- >> well, republicans -- >> and that maybe he can't -- >> yes, but that then reflects it's in two ways, the republicans control congress and the white house. >> the mid-terms will be really tough. >> so in the next two years it's going to be very hard to democrats to stop most things with the exception of potentially the supreme court nominee. but that is different than the movement in the streets. and i want to say as a democrat, that rebellion, at least the things i have seen also gets the democratic party, not just donald trump, there is a rebellion against the elites. >> they should be concerned. i think the pink hats are as poised to have a new movement -- if the republicans are not on guard they could lose seats in 2020, the thing they're not doing is focusing on who is the trump coalition. you saw the women's marchers focusing on social issues. you're not going to win over to the republican party people who
fundamentally disagree with them on social issues. the blue belt, the democrats, those are the people he is working for right now focusing on jobs and american progress and focusing on renegotiating. >> there were people out there at that march though, who were front those rust belt states. those people, not all of them are happy with the democratic party. >> i think the difference is they need to organize. and they need to find a single message and resonate on that. because the tea party was limited government and fighting obamacare. the pink hats, they were all over the map with their issues. but they had a lot of energy and enthusiasm. they just need to organize. >> and do what -- and which was very smart of the trump campaign then, i mean, immigration. build a wall. jobs. and those were among the two, right, that he just kept hammering home. >> and obamacare.
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back now with my panel, jonathan, unlike the last president, president trump has a congress that wants to do business. here is vice president mike pence speaking to congressional republicans today. >> the point is by sticking to the president's agenda, we're going to kick the economy into overdrive, so as i said in my first visit to capitol hill say with great respect to members of the house and senate. buckle up, we're ready to go to work work. >> so he -- the president has signed a lot of executive orders, but do they have any teeth? >> well, it depends on executive orders that require money he will have to go to congress to i assume build the wall and other things like that. there will be some lawsuits around the executive orders, for example, his threat that they
will hold money from states or cities that want to provide sanctuary for undocumented immigrants who trump tries to deport. he will try to with hold that money and there were already signs that there will be lawsuits around him. so we'll see. >> the threat of a lawsuit will not scare him. but the thing is, withholding funding to sanctuary cities is nothing more than him asking the cities to enforce immigration laws, why is that so hard? why would they have a problem with that? and for the money with building the wall, there is already funding in place under a george bush law that is sitting there. they just have to continue the funding for that. i don't see that being a big of an issue -- >> i thought the price tag they were talking about this crazy, stupid wall that is completely unnecessary, a solution for a problem that doesn't exist. that money, they're talking about a price tag of $14 billion, 20 billion -- >> i don't think you can say there is a problem that doesn't exist. i think you can say they're
making the problem bigger than it is, you think more people are going back the other way -- than who are coming across the border. >> it's actually a fact, now i can tell you that this is the pugh study that said that actually the number of mexicans coming to the country have declined dramatically. >> people are still coming. >> but there are central americans going through, even of you look beyond the immigration issue the obama administration put out a study in 2011 say there is $190 billion in laws -- >> it's not about the drug trafficking o trafficking -- no, no. >> there is no problem in terms of the flow of people that this wall is required to deal with. it is just nonsense. it was all about fear and division. >> i think the positive thing that could come from this too,
though, which is to say if we ever want to do immigration reform. if it's something with the dreamers or treating you know people who came here a long time ago compassionately, i don't think the american public is going to go for it until they believe that we actually can and have secured a border. so building a wall -- would be -- >> i want you guys to discuss this. because again, we're dealing in facts here, jonathan is right here, more people are going back, there was a whole series on the border wall. you still can tunnel under the wall. most people come into the country illegally on airplanes from places that are not mexico and they overstay their visa in numbers that are larger than people coming from mexico. that is the real problem. >> that is why he is adding 10,000 officers and 5,000 border customs agents. this is a bigger problem -- >> but that is not what people believe. they think it's people coming from mexico, when you think of
immigration you think of mexicans. >> going back to the campaign, donald trump used the wall to symbolize, it was division and fear. and what he said to people particularly in the midwest and it worked politicly in the election, he said it was them. which was false. that is not the reason people have lost their jobs in the industrial midwest, not the reason wages have declined, it is because of corporate greed. >> it's -- >> it's not the -- it is the driver. not the main thing. it's not because of people coming from mexico. it's a completely. >> do you remember ten to 20 years ago to match point when a moderate position was we should allow people who are here to stay here but before we do that we should build a wall. that was something that bill clinton, hillary clinton -- >> you did preface it by saying ten to 20 years ago, i'm not saying it's right. i'm not saying it's right, i'm
just -- >> even reagan's amnesty on securing the border -- >> i think the american people are generous and compassionate, but if time after time you tell them we're going to secure the border. and then but we're going to do it with amnesty but never secure the border. >> but you have to be honest with them about the facts of the border just that you have to understand the coal industry, i understand my brothers and sisters in the industry, automation -- >> it's a prime example where there are fewer people to run the factory. >> there are several reasons behind building the wall, obviously the influx of people coming here and taking haven in this country using our goods and services and health care and education without having to pay for it.
there is also the enflux influx drugs, that president trump mentioned numerous times. i talked with farmers and those who live along the border. they say it's hell on earth along the border with illegals coming into the country and the easiest way is to build a wall -- >> i do hear people say you don't understand unless you live there. but the raw facts show that immigration -- >> and people contribute to the economy, billions in the economy. >> thanks everyone, that is it for us. no sir, no sir, some nincompoop stole all my wool sweaters, smart tv and gaming system. luckily, the geico insurance agency recently helped baa baa with renters insurance. everything stolen was replaced. and the hooligan who lives down the lane was caught selling the stolen goods online.
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west palm beach airport, following the president's first physical exam as president. according to his doctor at walter reed, the exam went, quote, exceptionally well and further details on tuesday. before leaving washington for this martin luther king holiday weekend, trump signed a proclamation expanding site, with questions from the president about remarks about haiti, el salvador the day before. and throughout the day, republican lawmakers in florida, including senator marco rubio and congressman carlos ro bechlt. llo strongly distanced themselves from the remarks, all in a state, florida, a home to many immigrants and their families, including 300,000 haitian-americans, most in south florida, some of whom protested the president's comments. and republican governor rick scott also reacted to trump's
for so long. do you get the sense that he's sort of distracting from his own policy agenda with the comments he made this week about other countries, whether true or not, with tweets he puts out about everybody from author michael wolff to news anchors? >> there are definitely republicans in this town who would very much agree with the premise of that question. they see it as constant controversies that do distract, that they have to sort of answer for things on a constant basis because the president has stoked up controversy again. that is a problem for people who are more used to a much more focused, much more deliberative approach from a president. gillian: so, distracting from his own policy agenda, some might go as so far as shooting himself in the foot. take a listen to the sound bite from speaker paul ryan in wisconsin. >> you're trying to broker a deal, right. >> yeah, so-- how do you do that with this?
>> so we just have to get it done. gillian: talking about the president's comments this week on fisa, during the leadup to the vote on the hill, and then also, you know, on the comments he allegedly made during this meeting with lawmakers, using a vulgar term. so, it seems like, even speaker ryan is saying we're forging ahead, we're trying not to let the president, you know, get in our way. it's a little unusual. >> oh, it's massively unusual, particularly since congress has an absolutely full plate of things it needs to get to. there's a very intense congression congressional agenda. people need to get things done fast. time that you spend on other topics to accomplish those goals. gillian: and you create unnecessary obstacles when you speak out on issues that aren't necessarily appropriate for the
president to be commenting on. i want to pull up for you what john mccain had to say earlier this week. he said, people have come to this country from everywhere. and people from everywhere have made everyone great. our immigration policies should reflect that truth and our elected officials, including our president, should respect it. those are some fairly scathing words from a senior lawmaker who has been working on not just immigration, but national security issues for decades. what do you make of that? >> i think that it is part of a firstly genuine objection to what the president is supposed to have said, but i also think it's a point that many republicans believe the republican party has to be welcoming to an ever more diverse america. and i think that they feel comments like the ones attributed to president trump cut against that in a very serious way. they see it speaking to his base, yes, but his base is a minority of the country. and so, they don't think that that is a winning strategy over
the medium or long-term. and i think that they have sincere objections to it as well. gillian: we've got to not just worry about the base. the president doesn't have to worry only about his base facing in 2018, part of his role and responsibility is to help usher republicans across that goal line. so certainly not helping there, right. >> absolutely not. one of the interesting things i think in the past couple of days, we're seeing lawmakers from competitive districts really being to the fore criticizing the president. someone like congressman korbela, and pretty scathing. and i think we're seeing those republicans trying to create some distance between themselves and the president on this kind of talk. gillian: well, hopefully they will get to the other side of this. republicans will be able to put it behind them and move forward. niall stannage, thanks for joining us. mike: and statistics in the house nearly $300,000 have been
spent quieting harassment and discrimination claims against house members since 2003. >> hi there, mike. the nearly $300,000 comes straight from taxpayers and was used to settle 13 claims against members. house. that average is out to almost a settle a year. here is a look. 27,000 was paid out between 2003 in '07. then, a big jump between '08 and 2012 with 174,000. then 91,000 from 2013 to last year. we don't know who got the payouts because staffers had to sign a nondisclosure agreement. to start mediation. we know one of the offending congressmen was from texas. his former communications director received 84,000 after she accused him of making inappropriate sexual comments. he announced he's not running for reelection and said he'll pay the money back. earlier, he's waiting to see
thank you very much. gillian: president trump now pointing the finger at democrats for what he's calling a missed opportunity on daca and immigration. this after a week of meetings on the issue without any clear results. our own molly heninberg is following the latest on this story. >> hi, gillian. there's no bill until there's a bill and right now there's no bill at least publicly that can get 60 votes in the senate and get the president's signature. legislators had hoped to include immigration reform and wrap it up in a bill to keep the government funded, but that spending bill has to be done by next friday and it doesn't appear at this point that there's enough agreement to include immigration in that legislation. on daca, which stands for the deferred action for childhood arrivals, which protects some 800,000 illegal minors from deportation, and then the dream act gives them a pathway to legal status. some democrats want just to focus on that for now. the top house democrat nancy pelosi is asking for a daca and
dream only piece of legislation now. and in a statement yesterday, she said, quote, in october, the president wrongly decided to terminate daca. since that time. the president has constantly said he supports daca. what is clear is it that we must insist on a clean dream act, which is supported overwhelmingly by the american people, has bipartisan support in congress and must be enacted in january. but that doesn't sit well with republicans who wants border security or those who want to end chain migration. or those who don't want legal status for young, illegal immigrants. >> some of these people that are negotiating from the other side, aren't there in good faith. i think that they're there trying to make their political point, and they don't really want daca, they want the dream act. that's what they want. they're calling it daca, but they want a path to citizenship, a path to amnesty and that's part of the problem. >> congressman big says he does
not believe that the daca issue would prevent legislators from coming to an agreement to keep them open and funded by next friday. >> thanks for that reporting, molly. >> mike. >> let's bring in michigan congressman dan killdee. do you want a clean daca bill? >> yes, and i think it's sometimes in a partisan divide where one doesn't exist quite as much as people say it does. republicans in the house, i know, and democrats would like to get a daca deal done, and would vote for it, if it was on the floor. ways a little disappointed to say that the president says this is a missed opportunity. we have sessions on tuesday, wednesday, thursday. we could bring daca codification, a bill to the floor and i suspect it would have more than 300 votes in the house of representatives and would sale through the senate.
funding over this daca issue. why don't we negotiate in good faith on the issue, roll up your sleeves and let's work this out, but let's not hold the funding of our military hostage over this issue, that's irresponsible and they need to stop it. mike: congressman, your reaction to her comments and are we headed for a government shutdown? >> i don't think so. we'll see the. the republicans control the house, the senate and have the white house. the idea that it's the democrats' fault who have no power to put anything on the floor that we haven't taken action on these issues, that's playing politics and look, congressman i know has a track record and she's got her point of view, but saying that it's politics is basically playing politics. why don't we just do what congress is supposed to do when members of congress agree, democrats, and republicans on an issue, let's vote on it. to say that's playing politics to me i think is disingenuous. that's governing.
mike: wouldn't it wise to separate a controversial issue like immigration and government funding and a budget, it seems all are difficult enough individually for this congress to do. your thoughts, sir? >> well, i mean, we can separate it. we can put the daca bill on the floor on tuesday. and get it done. and basecle i -- basically set that aside and don't have to conflate these issues. there's a moment when the budget bills come up. democrats-- the republicans don't have the vote to keep the government open. when democrats are asked to rescue the republicans from themselves by providing enough votes to keep the government open 'cause they don't have them themselves, we have to have some of our priorities included in the action that congress takes and not be put in a position where all the things that democrats care about never get decided, never get a vote on the floor. mike: right. >> but the republicans who can't govern without us are unwilling to acknowledge that. that's just not right.
mike: you know, your republican colleagues want more border security so where is the solution on this immigration issue? is it in the bipartisan by camerale talks that speaker rhein has been talking about? do you think those bipartisan house are the key? >> this is obviously an issue where we need a comprehensive approach. we need border security, no question about it. we need to fix this broken immigration system and there are areas of agreement. i was really disappointed that the president didn't hold to his word when he had the bipartisan meeting just a few days ago, and then was presented a bipartisan solution to this problem after saying that he would accept whatever these folks put together and sign it, and he said no. so, i don't know who's whispering in his ear, but that was disappointing. we can solve these problems and we have to do it in a comprehensive way. democrats have to acknowledge that border security is an important subject, but we also have to have fixing to these
other problems and not create a pejorative out of family migration. i mean, this issue of chain migration is one that i think is getting a bit misunderstood. family immigration is a part of the history of this country. my own hometown-- >> thanks for your time. dan kildee from the great state of michigan. see you soon, sir. >> thank you very much. mike: we'll have more coverage. chris wallace as an exclusive interview with california attorney general, and what's next. and president trump's immigration comments and steve bannon's ouster from breitbart tomorrow at 11 a.m. eastern. gillian: it came from outer space. what the spacex cargo vehicle just brought down from -- to earth from the international
space station. a tough message from kim jong-un to the white house, as the south korea olympics slated for next month. and watching the thermostats plunge, more problems on the roads and airports. and adam is monitoring from the fox extreme weather center. i know when we see you we're getting bad news, go for it. >> unfortunately, we're looking into a system going into the northeast, on the back side cold air is funneling in. i'll have details after the break. i take pictures of sunrises,
freezing rain causing major slowdowns on roads, and meanwhile, the folks in buffalo, new york, were dealing with melting snow and flooding problems because of warmer temperatures. meteorologist adam is at the extreme weather center with all of today's forecasts. take it away. >> yeah, kind of a wild day yesterday. a real rollercoaster giving me a bit of a cold. and we're tracking a system off the northeast. one you're talking about. it's running off the east coast and the back side of this system we're looking at a major change in temperatures falling down into the teens in many cases. add in the wind chill and you'll notice a huge difference falling back down into the negative across a huge portion of the country. and it's still too early, winter is not over yet. it was 60 in new york city yesterday. unfortunately, that isn't going to be sticking around. now, as we go farther into the forecast, this is from saturday into sunday. these are daytime highs across
the country. and not horribly bad, but pay attention to what happens on monday. suddenly, another round of arctic air is going to be settling into the center of the country. you're looking at temperatures falling back into the negative. and that goes even deeper into the country. so we're talking about another huge arctic blast that's going to be pushing in, getting into the middle of next week. it's not just coming with the cold temperatures, it's going to be coming with eventually a system that's going to be working through. and here is your future radar, this is sunday into monday. right there, is where that system is, unfortunately, it's going to be coming with ice, it's going to be coming with snow, as much as i would love it to warm up, unfortunately, that's just not going to be the case. this is something we're dealing with, another big round just around the corner, guys. >> well, adam, you stay there. hang tight. no need to come here to our nation's capital. >> thank you. mike: i got home last night 60-something degrees and got up
this morning, 30-something degrees. all of us have a little frog in our throat. gillian: thanks, adam. you're the best. mike: authorities say the same russian hackers who targeted the dnc are back. who they're probing for information now. the clock is ticking for lawmakers to reach a deal on daca and immigration. how their lack of progress is resonating with voters.
the immigration debate in washington? >> unfortunately sigh sidelined with this ridiculous controversy as they're calling it. it's a sad day when this president who clearly trusts, i'm not sure why, but he still trusts the principle parties in the room to speak candidly. he's coming from an environment, used to the oars rowing in the same boat and he's not used to those to sand bag him. whether he said these things and it's clear about seizing power and not achieving goals. mike: we're less than a week from a possible government shutdown. what do folks outside of the beltway think about that? >> i think it's clear if we're going to hold up military spending or call this a government shutdown, if you want broadly, if we're really holding it up to secure the border, i don't know that that's the plank the democrats want to walk.
i get that -- i've yet to hear anybody why border security the is something we're against. >> if the president used rough language in a private meeting with lawmakers, does your audience care? >> no, for heaven's sake. you know, i said last night on twitter, mike, i was-- ever since 18 years old since you've been voting in this country the american left has been telling people stay out of our bedrooms, butt out. sop stop with the social issues frpt the second in private he supposedly allegedly says one curse word and suddenly the left takes to the billy graham crusades, where did that come from. mike: what about the comment made by house leader nancy pelosi, talking about people with an immigration deal.
>> five white guys i call them. you hope a hamburger stand next or what? >> so the five guys joke seemed to fall flat in the room. your thoughts, chris? >> that's just-- that's the perfect example, mike of what we're talking about. if you want to talk about race, you know, trump says, s-hole countries and that's a racist term suddenly and she specifically says five white guys. she invokes race. if ever there was racism on display in an off the cuff remark, it's miss pelosi, not the president. mike: and the assumption here, chris, is that late next week congress will punt again, meaning a short measure. how do that play outside the beltway. >> that's grist for the mill. i think most of us expect that's probably what will happen. folks that listen to this show and i speak for myself, what nobody wants is to colina daca
bill business. where ever you are on daca, i don't know any conservatives or republicans that would suggest only daca, no wall, no border security, no dealing with chain migration. that would be a terrible mistake. so, i'd rather wait and prolong it then rush to do something that we'll never go back and fix again. mike: a few seconds left. do you have a prediction in 2018, a lot of anxiety with a lot of republicans at 2018. your thoughts, chris? >> historically, if you want to look at history. we can't seem to these guys as a predictor, maybe republicans lose the house, perhaps. i think that republicans could pick up the senate. i know they won't lose the senate. i bank on them keeping control. senate, but they may gain republicans in the senate. mike: after this, chris is headed to atlantic city to place some bets. >> go eagles! . mike: chris, thanks. >> thanks, mike. gillian: the u.s. senate in the
cross-hairs of the same russian computer criminal hackers that caused problems for the dnc last year during the general election. chief political correspondent catherine herridge talks about it. >> and at the height of 2016 election, with wikileaks and the same hackers are now targeting the u.s. senate. according to new research, hackers are going after lawmakers network of context, as well as compromising information for blackmail. these cyber hackers, speak russian, and going to trap visitors with malware. >> and they set up fake accounts and fancy bear hackers used the strategy during the french presidential election to steal
e-mails in an efforts to influence the outcome. the u.s. intelligence community believes the hackers are closely aligned with president vladimir putin and they documented the decades long effort to undermine democracy. >> the administration is not doing enough to punish russia in the 2016 elections and prepare us for the 2018 election. >> the fancy bear hackers went quiet. but with no solutions on penalizing moscow, the hackers got busy. >> they predict that rogue political complaints are not likely to go away with the olympics and major operations in 2018. in washington. catherine herridge, fox news. gillian: be sure to keep it right here with us at america's news headquarters. at the top of the next hour, 1
p.m., discussing the latest developments in the russia probe with florida congressman ron desantis. mike: searching for missing crew members on an iranian oil tanker are facing fiery conditions. why it's still in flames after colliding with another ship. president trump now says he thinks he has had a good relationship with north korea's kim jong-un, but the u.s. isn't letting up its stance against the hermit kingdom ahead of the olympics. what to expect as we get closer to the opening ceremonies.
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ship's last box. and 29 missing at this hour and the exact cause of that crash is unknown. ♪ >> south korean president moon says the trump administration's tough stance on kim jong-un drove north korea to reopen diplomatic lines, but the trump administration is not softening their stance on the hermit kingdom ahead of the olympics. vice-president mike pence is leading the u.s. delegation in south korea. for this, i want to bring in jack keane, strategy analyst, general, the administration was sort of playing coy when it comes to the u.s. relationship with kim jong-un. the president-- i wants folks at home to take a look. the president said he probably has a very good relationship about kim jong-un. he said that you people, media he was talking to at the time, are surprised and went on to say
when asked when he spoke to kim jong-un. i'm not saying i have or i haven't, i don't want to comment. what do you make of that. >> it's hard to characterize the president's relationship from a distance, but i'm not aware of contact, but that's clearly up to him. he surely does talk to world leaders on a regular basis. gillian: why not just say no? >> looking at it from the outside, i think this is probably the most challenging and difficult relationship that he's got with everybody in the world. clearly, we're on a path here where a military option is on table. there are some negotiations that have taken place, it's talking and chewing at each other, but we've got to have a healthy dose of skepticism here because the north koreans have always used negotiations to advance their technology program and they've used it in the past to obtain goodwill which is obviously going on here, and also, when it's with the south koreans to try to drive a wedge between
ourselves ap the south koreans. so we've got to look at realistically. could something better come of it? we hope so, but that's the way we've got to look at it. gillian: that's the bilateral relationship side. from the military side do you feel there were mixed messages, also. president trump agreed to not go forward with the joint military exercises with south korea until after the olympics. at the same time the department of defense flying b-2 bombers over the region. >> i think we should be doing more on the military side to strengthen the policy change that we made dealing with north korea and that is that the military option is back on the table. that was general mattis, now secretary mattis that made that statement on the first visit to the far east shortly after the inauguration back in january of last year. but here is some things i know the chinese and the north koreans are looking at to determine, is our policy real? why are we still sending
families to south korea with their military spouses? this should now be what we call in the military an unaccompanied tour. like iraq and afghanistan is. we should also be preparing to bring the families that are there home, making the policy changes that are going to be able to accommodate a move with such a sizable population, we should be making plans to bring the american population at home. gillian: who makes that decision, general? is it state department? is it dod? >> in dealing with the military families dod, and the other thing, gillian, if we're going to go to war, there's a possibility we are, director pompeo of the cia said we're months away from the showdown. if that's the case, as we were in iraq and afghanistan, we're an ocean away, which means we have to prepare, theater level logistics, we have to put in place ammunition and we actually have to start moving some forces
that are going to be able to accommodate the reality of that. i also believe while some people would look at that and say those are provocative act, you're going to force north korea to action. i would say rubbish to that. and the provocative act is nuclearizing icbm's and pointing them at america. and those are proven measures that any military force would have to do if they have a credible policy of wanting this to use a military option. and i'm not suggesting all-out war, but a military option, a very limited military option which obviously could escalate to war. gillian: how worried are you about, forget who is more provocative than who, rights? but how worried are you about a move from the trump administration that they necessarily-- they don't necessarily believe is a direct threat, but ends up being a miscalculation that pushes us offense the edge, sort
of unintentionally into war? are you worried about that or not really? >> you have to calculate that and with every option that you put in front of the president, you have to layout what the risks are associated with those options and we have capable people, you know, who know how to do that and certainly, kim jong-un, once he makes the decision to react to some $what he believes is a provocation by the united states and starts a shooting war on a peninsula, that's the end of his regime. that's-- and he knows that, and all the people around him know that. we would crush that regime in a matter of days and he knows it. gillian: the worry is that we, the united states worries then about the south koreans to a degree that kim jong-un probably doesn't, right. >> he doesn't worry about the south koreans. he's just using the south koreans as a vehicle to put some pressure on the united states by driving a wedge between us and the south koreans. gillian: well, some scary stuff, general keane. thanks for your expertise today.
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destinatio destinations. mike: a state of confusion in the state of kansas. the current governor is awaiting a senate confirmation for a position as an ambassador. but while the lt. governor waits to take his place voters are having who is really in charge? alicia acunas is in topeka with the story. >> as congress republican governor sam brownback took the podium for the state of the state address. one question swirled over the office. >> does the state of kansas have two governors? >> no, kansas has one governor brownback and he makes the decisions. >> and colorakoh collier is waie wings as he's expecting a quick confirmation, brownback began handing over duties to colyer. that was six months ago.
>> i teach about politics, one they think i teach you don't count on the u.s. senate to do anything until it's done, especially confirmation. >> the senate ended without a vote on brownback or dozens of other trump nominations and now there is confusion in kansas. >> lt. governor jeff colyer was making appointments and events and governor brownback was doing a tree lighting event or-- the question is who is in charge. >> it's like abbott and coste o costello, who is on first. >> and for appointees didn't make confirmations, thank you, potus, i'll continue as governor. s for the positions requiring it, only 241 nominations have been confirmed by the full u.s. senate. while he waits on washington, brownback appears to be retaking
the reins in kansas. the question remains for how long. >> could he be gone in february, june, later than that? who knows. >> a spokeswoman tells fox news, the renominations could be considered in a timely fashion and they will not require another hearing, but they will need another committee vote before once again heading to the full senate. in topeka kansas, alicia acunas, fox news. gillian: much more ahead in the next hour. president trump says democrats are to blame forestalled immigration reform. why, he says, bipartisan meetings are not working. and from the front lines to the top brass, we'll give you a sneak preview of a brand new series that looks at how the military makes the most important decisions of the day. stick with us.
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>> plus growing criticism of robert mueller's russia investigation and calls for better transparency, we will talk to republican congressman desantis that sits on foreign affairs and judiciary committee. >> we get unprecedented look at our military's fight against isis courtesy of brand new geographic special. >> we want to fight and we want to take care of business here. i know personally i don't want our nation, in fact, any of our allied nations to have to deal with this enemy. so we have to go get after them here today and take care of business. >> and president trump kicks off the long weekend in mar-a-lago with an early morning tweet storm suggesting that lawmakers are far from reaching a deal on daca and accusing democrats of stalling those negotiations. for more on all of this, let's go live to phil keaton in west palm beach. what can you tell us? >> president trump should be wrapping up his morning golf
game at nearby trump international golf club where he arrived this morning in the big long motorcade around 9:30 this morning. as usual scenario in palm beach, he begins the morning bright and early tweeting this morning he was praising the economy and digging at democrats including this one about ongoing daca negotiations, what to do with the estimated 700,000 dreamers in the country. quote, the democrats are all talk, no action, they are doing nothing to fix daca, great opportunity missed, too bad. of course, it was the oval office meeting thursday about daca and immigration which led to the all consuming controversy about what members of both parties confirmed the president said about haiti, el salvador and african nations. leading to these questions after trump's proclamation expanding the martin luther king, jr. historic site friday.
>> mr. president, are you racist? >> florida senator rubio and curbello strongly distanced themselves from the president's remarks including 3,000 haitian americans some who protested the comments yesterday while commemorating eighth anniversary of the country's devastating earthquake. on david lederman netflix show, guest, none other than former president obama. >> one of the things that michelle figured out in some ways faster than i did was, you know, part of your ability to lead the country doesn't have to do with legislation, it doesn't have to do with regulations, it has to do with shaping attitude, shaping culture, increasing awareness.
>> as soon as the president is finished at the golf club, he is expected to then motorcade back to his winter white house at mar-a-lago on palm beach, only about 8 or 10-minute drive and the president has no public events scheduled not only today tomorrow or monday and it is monday afternoon we expect that the president and first lady melania and son baron will be boarding on air force one and returning to the nation's capital. jillian. >> phil, i had to take a double take at david letterman, i barely recognized him. >> i need to grow one. [laughter] >> stay cool at mar-a-lago, thanks, phil. >> president trump has tied daca and immigration to the budget debate and with just days before lawmakers are faced with another potential government shutdown, the clock is ticking for a solution. latest developments.
hi, molly. >> it's no simple task. democrats are saying, let's just focus on young illegal minors first and then get to the rest. but republicans say, not so fast. they want border security too and say they've been promised funding for a border wall before and then the funding didn't come through. >> i'm so mistrustful i think that we keep our promise first and then not give up our leverage until -- until we built that wall. >> but democrats say why wait, they believe they have enough bipartisan support to extend what's called da to -- daca to protect from deportation and also pass the dream act that gives them path to legal status. >> it would takes 4 minutes and we might as well get it done in signal to the american people when we have bigger issues like budget issues, infrastructure bill, like real problems in health care that we ought to address, that congress actually can come together and overcome
what looks like differences. >> legislators had hope today include immigration reform to the bill to keep funding of the federal government but that spending bill has to be done by next friday and it doesn't appear at this point that there's enough agreement to include immigration in that legislation. mike. >> live in washington, molly, thanks a lot. >> more on the battle over budget and immigration, i want to bring in scott wong, senior reporter at the hill. thanks for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> take a look at facts on immigration. this is the immigrant population in the united states by country of birth in 2016. it's the latest numbers we've got, total immigration from africa at 2.14 million, el salvador as you can see there is 1.3 million, haiti, just over half a million at 668,000 and norway at 22,000. so allegedly these are the types of figures that the president
was react to go earlier this week in the meeting with lawmakers where he used expletive reportedly. the numbers don't look very high to me. >> well, a number of republicans pointed out that, you know, we all have immigrant backgrounds in our ancestry and so that was the point i believe that lindsey graham made to the president in pushing back to some of the remarks, one of the most personal, i think, responses to the president's controversial comments came from mia love, the first haitian american republican lawmaker to serve in the united states congress, her parents were born in haiti and came to the united states looking for a better future for their family and so i think, you know, some of the backlash that we have seen in response to president trump's is not only coming from the left but republicans as well.
>> if you break down the numbers a little bit, i was just struck -- whether the reporting about the expletive is right or wrong, the numbers like, for example, african immigration today in the united states total is 2 million people, but that's almost 60 countries, i thought it would be a lot higher, i was remarking that, you know, this is not -- this is not an all-time high of immigration as we are being made to believe. i want to ask you also about the president wanting to get rid of the diversity lottery system for visas. he believes this will help put an end to what the administration calls chain migration. he says that what he wants is merit-based immigration, as you know, that essentially means people meet certain qualifications before they are able to come into the country. can you tell us about those qualifications, what they are? >> i don't have any specifics on the qualifications themselves but president trump did -- when lindsey graham and dick durbin brought this plan, bipartisan
plan, you know, essentially it would shift, it would do away with the diversity lottery which is a random lottery program and it would shift some of those 50,000 slots over to the tps program which is the countries like haiti, el salvador. temporary protective status, and the president said, well, let's not deal with those countries, why can't we make this all about merit and, remember, these were comments that he made two days earlier in the televised meeting in the white house who said who would disagree with bringing in people based on -- on a merit system and so this is something that the president has insisted on. he has suggested this to congress. so far, democrats have not signed on board. they are pushing back against the merit-base system and they want other assurances for daca at this point.
so -- >> the administration as far as i can tell has not really clearly defined what those merits are. they've alluded to the idea that people should speak english prior to coming into the united states, that's one qualification, another qualification is that they should be prepared to in some way contribute to the national economy, am i missing anything? >> i don't think we have seen specifics so far. i think what the president is talking about are professionals like doctors, for example, doctors from other countries coming to the united states, graduate students who want to further their education and take advantage of the good colleges in the united states. those are examples of the types of people that president trump is saying let's make this all about merit, let's take the best and brightest from around the world and let them come to the country rather than ran do --
random lottery drawing. >> how do those qualifications compare to refugee population? the united states agreeing to take people who are fleeing prosecution, war, terror around the world, are we going to keep refugees in separate categories or they'll get bundled into the immigrant populations, the merit-based folks? >> i think that's what's being discussed. if you do away completely with the lottery system, the plan, the bipartisan plan that lindsey graham and dick durbin put forward would have shifted 50,000 slots over to countries that are dealing with either manmade disasters, civil war, strife or natural disasters like we saw in el salvador and in haiti. these are -- there's a lot of questions that still have not been resolved. the president's comments, controversial remarks have only sort of inflamed the situation. i think democrats and
republicans have been driven into the respective corners. that's not a great place to be with four legislative days before a government shutdown. >> yeah, as you point out, a lot of loose ends, a lot of major questions here that will affect all americans that need to be hammered out on the hill, in the white house in the next four days, thanks so much for being with us. >> thank you. >> mike. >> third high profile republican has thrown her name into arizona seat, martha mcsally officially announced candidacy friday. former air force colonel and first female fighter pilot took a world war ii fighter plane to campaign tieing her service record into how she'll work in the senate. >> i'm running my race and we want to make sure that people in arizona know options and i'm working with the president. you look at my voting record, even though i'm in split district, i have to most reliable record
with the president and i continue to vote with him. i was at the white house this week and i've been invited other times to talk about health care, tax reform, infrastructure and now immigration and i'm honored about that. >> mcsally faces competition for the republican nomination, former arizona sheriff joe arpaio and former senator, state senator kelly ward. that should be a heck of the race for the republican nomination. >> you know, i have to say, a woman fighter pilot throwing her hat in the ring, not a day too soon, this is the kind of thing that americans all across the country have been calling for. >> jeff flake is retiring so they are throwing their hat in there. >> yeah, feeling good about that. brand-new details emerging on the las vegas mass shooter from last year and just how meticulous he was in covering up his trail leading up to that deadly massacre? plus a major milestone for firefighters in the state of
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choice but i don't question things like that. >> there's currently legislation in congress to ban bump stocks at the same time doj is studying the legality of certain bump stocks, the process that could take between 8 and 12 months, mike. will carrol, live, thanks so much. >> still ahead florida congressman ron desantis joins us with the latest on the russia investigation. and after a week of bipartisan meetings and discussions on daca, president trump says lawmakers are not any closer to an agreement. our fair and balance panel joins us to weigh in. plus we take a look at a brand-new series that has unprecedented access into the most military locations around the world. >> aa camera has never been allowed to film in the net 22 on a mission until now. patrick woke up with a sore back.
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>> embattled former trump administration chief strategists steve bannon expect today speak with the house intelligence committee this week, but to members of congress say they want more transparency on what exactly that committee has discovered so far. congressman ron desantis joins me now from the great state of florida. congressman, good to see you. >> good to see you. >> you sent a letter to house speaker paul ryan this week, what do you want the speaker to do, sir? >> well, we have the ability in our house rules to declassify, classify documents that are in the possession of committee and we had major breakthrough with doj and fbi finally agreed to provide the information regarding the trump dossier, the fisa surveillance, all those questions that we've had for months and i think all the members of congress will eventually be read into that and even people not on the intelligence committee will be
able to review it and i think that's good, but to me that's inadequate. i think the american people need to know how this information was used, did you have one administration spying on the campaign of an opposing party and i have report that is the dossier was, in fact, use today get fisa surveillance on a trump associate and one of the questions i have is, did the fbi when they got the dossier, did they know that that was a democratic-party funded document and still went ahead and used it, that's bad. but if they didn't know the genesis of it, the origin of it and still used it, that's also bad. so i think there's a lot of questions that need to be answered and the best way to do it is cut through the smoke and des classify and make it public. >> we have a public of january 9th letter here, have you gotten any response from speaker and his team so far? >> so i talked to the speaker last week about getting in all the members of congress read into this. he was very open to that. i think the speaker has done a good job on this.
he has backed devin nunes, he told rosenstein you have to produce the stuff. i think the speaker will be open to this and i talked to chairman nunes and he's definitely trying to move forward with invoke declassification order from his committee which is great. >> there are great patriotic professional with n the fbi but what are your concerns about the role of some at the fbi as it relates to the house intelligence committee investigation? well, you're right, we have phenomenal fbi agents serving all over the country and all over the world, my fear with all of this is the bad actions of a few people like peter strzok who said we can't take risk of trump presidency and lisa page, that their political actions and the way they conducted themselves will make the bureau look bad. i still have confidence in the fbi at large but i think there's been a problem with the leadership going back to the hillary e-mail investigation and then through this trump
so-called russia collusion investigation that is going to need to be addressed. we have seen it be addressed so far to a certain extent. comey has been fired. mccabe is on the way out, peter strzok in administrative position, so let's just get all the facts, let's hold people accountable and let's move forward. we need a strong fbi and i'm 100% in favor of a strong law enforcement. >> this is not the first rodeo, do you expect the documents will be declassified, congressman? >> i think there's a very good chance that they will be, yes, because the public interest is in intense in this and you declassify in a way that if there is some type of source and method you can protect that but still get the information out to the people. >> there were high-profile issues at the irs several years ago, should anyone be surprised that some at the fbi may have played politics? >> well, i think that's a good point, l oh, -- lerner was not
not appointed by the obama administration. the outer veneer they may not be, they can often act in partisan ways, lerner did that to the hill and peter strzok and lisa page text messages, they had bias against donald j. trump, they did not want him to be president and we wanted to make sure there was an insurance policy to prevent it. >> congressman, are you getting all the answers you want on the steel dossier and the information at this stage? >> well, we haven't gotten them all yet but i think the fact that this information will be provided to the congress is a huge step forward, it's a big victory for us. we are going to get all the answers one way or another, i wish we would have gotten them sooner but over the next probably two months between this and then the ig report with the hillary e-mail investigation, i
think you're going to see a lot of scrutiny on how the obama doj handled these cases in 2016. >> congressman ron desantis of the great state of florida, i look forward to seeing you on the hill, sir. >> thank you. >> thanks for your time. gillian: after heated election virginia now has its now governor, democrat ralph northum who defeated ed gillespie was sworn in today at noon in richmond, he addressed a crowd of about 4,000 spectators who braved very cold weather to watch. northum called for unity amongst all virginians. >> it can be hard to find a way in a time that there's so much shouting, when nasty shallow tweets take the place of honest debate, if you felt that way, i want you listen to me right now, we are bigger than this. so help me god. [cheers and applause]
>> northum, 73rd governor in the state's history. >> after holding bipartisan meetings on immigration and daca earlier in the week, president trump is now slamming democrats over what he's called a missed opportunity. the president took to twitter this morning saying, democrats are, quote, all talk and no action. for more on the immigration debate let's bring in fair and balance panel brad blakeman, former deputy assistant to president george w. bush and al, member of clinton finance team, former member of the clinton finance team, easy for me to say. gentlemen, thanks for your time. >> great to be here. >> brad, let's start with you, your thoughts on president lashing out on democrats in twitter? >> i think he's dudley right. democrats did not come in the bipartisan meeting with any intention in dealing in good faith. how do we know that, dick durbin outraged over what the president may have said at the meeting. and when he left the white house, he didn't go to sticks,
in front of the press corp and show his outrage, this was calculated that they will policy, want government shutdown, they don't want a deal on immigration, they think they with get away with blaming the trump administration, the president went to deal in good faith, he said it during the meeting we saw a week ago, he said it it was a bipartisan commit yes we saw a few days ago and democrats have taken attack that he couldn't be dealt with, they choose to attack him. >> that's the best spin i have ever heard. the president engaged engaged il vitriol. when ronald reagan left she talked about shining city in the hill, he talked about a place that had doors that were open in anyone in world. and dick durbin and all democrats did come in good faith
and the president should be commended for that meeting and that was a bipartisan, great discussion, he unraveled the whole thing with what he said. >> my guess is plenty of presidents from both parties have used colorful language at times behind closed doors, brad, are you surprised the president did it in bipartisan meeting which it was the other night? >> no, there are some words and, of course, the president he said denies the word alleged, let me tell you something, in negotiation, specially with legislators things are going to be said that are never intended to public con summing. it's the heat of the moment. there's also context to what was said. what happened before the harsh word that the president used. he agreed he used harsh words and didn't agree he used those words. and the democrats, i guess they never listened to lbj tapes where he used not only foul language but racial language against black americans, so when
dick durbin said language has never been used in the oval office, then he should be listening to the lbj tapes and lbj, what was he able to do, he passed civil rights legislation and the president wanted to deal in good faith, the democrats, they renigged on that. >> look, no one is denying that he said it other than one man, the president who has a history of saying things that are a little untrue. what we have here is a situation, it's so sad because this is a look right into his dark soul, these are chilling and disparaging comments. you do so to emerge from tough situation. we should want people with fortitude and wherewithal to come here. >> we are heading into, perhaps, potential government shutdown in less than a week, he needs to
get democrats that vote for some things, to get some things across the finish line, what about the timing and what about the week ahead. >> i still think we are going to get through. i don't believe they'll be a shut down. >> i hope you're correct. i hope that there isn't a shutdown. we shouldn't be politicizing the -- the economy and the health of the american workers and that's federal workers and private workers that will be affected by government shutdown. we shouldn't be doing that. we shouldn't be holding people hostage and i do believe daca, if democrats want to work in good faith there's still opportunity to do it. he's probably the most transactional president. >> what about the democrats who try today link daca to some of the funding talks, feeling they have leverage because democratic votes will be needed to get things across finish line, how does that play out, does this get separated, we tried on daca, let's do it in march, where are
we going there? >> there's still not much time but i'm hopeful that they'll be bipartisan deal that includes border security and daca protections. a bunch of senators came with proposal that included that, there's a chance. again, the comments make it tougher because that riles up the base for good reason. >> nobody would have ever known about those comments had the democrats not rushed out in a coordinated effort. >> fascinating discussion, gentlemen, thanks for your time. >> good to be with you. gillian: it's often hard for civilians to understand exactly what the members of our military are up against when fighting isis and other extremist groups overseas, when we come back after the break, we will take a close look at new documentary that has unprecedented access to the men and women fighting extremism across the globe. >> if they're out there and they're driving in their
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not the only airport seeing headaches, bryan llenas joins with the latest. >> hey, mike, chaos in americas airports, one air traffic controller, what he called a, quote, horror show, jfk airport at new york city. dozens and dozens of planes sat on the tarmac for hours filled with passengers, thousands of bags were delayed or never made it to destinations, people slept at the airport for a couple days and then a water main broke flooding the international terminal. so weeks before that, the world's busiest airport hartsfield in atlanta lost power canceling flights and recent airport fiascoes are underscored infrastructure concerns at our nation's airports, so the american society of civil engineers recently gave our nation's airports a d grade, airport congestion is on the rise, asce is expected that 24
of the top 30 major airports in this country may soon experience thanksgiving peak traffic volume at least one day every week. you look at the graphic, last month the nation's airports released reports saying they require $100 billion in infrastructure needs between now and 2021 because of this congestion. that price tag has gone up 32% in just two years. airports want congress to eliminate caps on passenger facility charges, they want the faa to allow them to charge more than the max 4.50 per passenger so they can invest money in infrastructure. meanwhile there are efforts to modernize air traffic control systems, the president wants to privatize stripping responsibility from the federal aviation administration and given the responsibility to independent nongovernmental administration. they believe will speed up
nationwide and faa is handling the next gen program, updating 1950's era radar systems to satellite radar technology which would lead to less delays and more efficient performance and hope to be done by 2025. currently there's congressional group called the problem solver's caucus, they are trying to draft the trillion dollar infrastructure deal, we will see what happens. >> bryan llenas on travel drama and elsewhere, bryan, many thanks. >> of course. gillian: now from the halls of the pentagon to front lines in afghanistan, iraq and south america, new documentary gives you, viewers a front row seat to battle against extremism. >> the number one priority for us is to protect the homeland and the american people from an attack and also to protect allies from attack against
violent extremists. the most important things is to surround yourself with good people and take advantage of the talent that we have in the u.s. military. gillian: filmed over the course of 18 months, the series with never before seen images from the front line of war. scott is the executive producer of chain of command, the series, premiers monday and he joins me now live, scott, this is just incredible project and excited to have you with us to tell us a little bit more about it. i want to ask you first a question about timing, essentially why now, you know, the wars in iraq and afghanistan have been raging for 16 plus areas, what made you and then the pentagon decide that this -- this story needed to be told today? >> it's a very important story that we are telling. ithas been years in discussion between national geographic and
national geographic studios and with the department of defense. you know, as you had mentioned earlier, we started feeling about -- about a year and a half ago and we started very slowly and when you do this type of show, it's -- it's all built on trust because we are allowed into privileged worlds that have never been, you know, they never had cameras allowed before and we wanted to do it through the eyes of men and women who are most involved in the fight against extremism. >> you talk about footage, things that have never been allowed, access that has never been given before, one of those as i understand it, we have never gotten to see live footage from inside an f-22 before, is that right, and we see that in the series? >> that's correct, combat mission, that's exactly right and so these are the worlds in
which -- which through discussion and through, you know, obviously these are sensitive worlds and these environments that we are in are extremely fluid at times but a chain of command is really a collection of soldier stories. it is about the men and women who serve. it's told through their eyes, you get a greater depth of the larger stories, the larger story, you get a greater depth of their mission but you understand their sacrifice, you understand the commitment and, you know, as we go into these worlds, what we describe you're in the room and the way we define a room you could be in the drone room just on the outskirts of mosul or in the cockpit or you can be with a father and a mother who are saying good-bye to, you know, their three kids under 5 as they
are about to deploy to afghanistan. now, there have been many, many documentaries on the great men and women who serve in these environments -- gillian: but i don't think, scott, not one that we know of where you really get inside the minds of service members and their families and get to see life sort of through their eyes from their perspective. i wanted to ask you particularly about one thing that really struck me when i was reading about the project, the strategic plans that are hatched by top military brass at the pentagon have the sort of real, very real effects for service members and affected trajectory of entire lives, service members on the ground and one of the things you really wanted to do here was sort of connect the dots so that folks understood that, do you feel like you got any answers? >> you know, it was -- it's playing out over, you know, a
section of time where we started, for example, with the battle of mosul. we were there at the beginning, right when they kicked off and we were there towards the end and that plays out in the first four episodes. so through the men and women on both u.s. side and also with the iraqi forces, you understand their mission, you understand the complexity of that environment. you see, like you said, in the drone rooms in several occasions and you understand how difficult it is and you get greater depth of the fight for mosul. gillian: i'm sorry to interrupt you, we have to leave it there, we are out of time, everybody stay tune, look for the series premiering on monday on net geo, scott, thank you for bringing the story to us. >> thank you. gillian: mike. mike: back to fox news alert
now, more details on the frightening moment for citizens in hawaii when a ballistic missile alert was sent to citizens by mistake. democratic congresswoman tried to reassure hawaii residents on twitter and reiterated that the alert is a false alarm. people in hawaii received this warning just after 8:00 o'clock in the morning stating that a ballistic missile was inbound but authorities have said alert was sent out by mistake. for more let's bring in lucas thompson, pentagon producer, lucas, i know you talked to folks at pacific command, what are they saying? >> mike, they are saying this was a false alarm, a message being pushed out by hawaii's emergency management system, there's no word right now on why this message was sent out, it was simply somebody hitting the wrong key or was this a possible hack of the system which has been a strong concern for a lot of people involved.
you know, the biggest problem is, who wants to wake up in the island of hawaii to this kind of message when you have a pga tournament, country club, millions of people living their lives on saturday morning wake up and the first thing they see on phone checking text messages is take cover, seek shelter a ballistic missile is inbound. it has been put in place recently because of north korea testing successfully intercontinental missiles last year. >> of course, folks in hawaii have been on edge with the north korean regime and have been practicing what what happens if there's an emergency situation. we have video we can show folks at home exactly what they've been doing in hawaii to prepare. [sirens] >> and that was the sound people have not heard since world war ii. mike: excellent, point, lucas,
imagine waking up to that on saturday morning in picturesque hawaii and thinking there's incoming missile from investigator korean regime and must be alarming and people might be quite rattled. we don't know the cause. >> right now there's no cause in why the message was sent out inadvertently. mike: quite alarming situation, thank god it was a false alarm. lucas thompson, thank you for reporting. >> credits for congresswoman telling everybody not to panic. mike: no doubt about it. thank you, lucas. gillian: kudos for the congresswoman for getting that info and getting out to constituents. i can't imagine bone-chilling out on saturday, living your life with your family and you hear, you know, the sounds of those alarms are very, very
eerie. mike: absolutely. reminds nuclear alerts of when you were growing pup. gillian: of course. and you have no sense of what the danger really is, you know, the folks on the ground hearing this for the first time didn't know that it was potentially a missile or something else. you imagine that, you know, doom and gloom is a few seconds out. it must be terrible. mike: it took a while to find out whether this was legit or this was a false alarm, she sent the tweet out and hopefully a lot of folks in hawaii got the information promptly and were able to calm down pretty quickly. but just stunning when you consider the world we live in these days, the north koreans doing all kinds of test in the fear that perhaps it's not going to be a test or false alarm. >> we are hearing that there was 35 minutes, mike, between the alarm and then the all-clear, the mistake being declared. so that's an awful long time for
folks on the ground to be left wondering and maybe panicking about what has happened. 35 minutes. mike: yeah. gillian: unbelievable. mike: you can imagine the panic at 8:00 o'clock in the morning, what, we are under attack, we have to run, load up the family, where do we go? is it nuclear? gillian: we should probably stop complaining about the weather on the east coast. mike: exactly right. thankfully false alarm in hawaii and thankfully that congress woman tulsi gabbard grot the information and alerted constituents and were able to calm down 35 minutes after the initial alert went out. all kinds of investigation now to try to figure out whether somebody pressed the button, whether there was a hacking, exactly what led to this, but a tough way to start your day in hawaii, imagine folks on vacation or people who live there who are living under the threat of north korea, hearing those sirens first thing this
morning. gillian: you know, that will be the million dollar question now going forward is the investigation into what exactly went wrong. i don't know if we still have lucas with us but maybe we can ask him, lucas, do you have a sense of what the procedure is of taking this forward, how they can rectify the situation or prevent it from happening in the future? >> although it's not a u.s. military system, hawaii's emergency management system, this is a lot like amber alert set up and better or for worse, now in technology can reach out people very quickly. within minutes, millions of people on the island of hawaiis had message saying the missile was inbound. in terms of investigation, they're going to have to go back in the logs and find out, interview all the people and something on the keyboard or is it more sinister and that is all
the systems are prone to hacks, outside actors, somebody trying to have a little bit of fun, great cost and we now to find out in hawaii how bad people were impacted, anybody drive off the road, anybody, you know, freak out at home and you also have pga golf tournament, people living their lives and also big events that go in hawaii around the clock. mike: in post 9/11 world you don't take things for granted, anything less than quite deadly serious and you can only imagine the panic people felt in hawaii. thankfully it was a false alarm, all kinds of information now to figure out how to prevent this from happening in the future. you don't want to cry golf from constituents and leave house, run, and then god forbid there's an attack of some sort, emergency at some point, you don't want people to say, it's
another false alarm. gillian: everybody because false sense when it comes to these kinds of alert that really do at the end of the day end up saving lives, protecting people, lucas made a really interesting chilling point that i hadn't thought of which is, perhaps this wasn't a mistake, perhaps this was some kind of motivated attack against the united states by an infiltrator, we don't know, this is just speculation, of course, at this hour but if this was not an accident, who is the perpetrator and how can they be stopped and how can this be -- how can we prevent this from happening again, it's very scary. mike: if you are just joining us, folks in hawaii woke up to alert on their phones telling them there was an emergency, perhaps an incoming missile, 35 minutes later, democratic congressman tulsi gabbard got the information that it was
false alarm and there's no incoming missile and there's no incoming missile and so the question is at this point, the breaking news trying to figure out why this happened, who is responsible, was it a mistake, was it a hacking, these days we don't feel like our personal information is secure and so it's a foreign actor or what caused this. >> lucas, i want to ask you while we still got you on the line here, we are hearing from u.s. pacific command, from the spokesperson, they are confirming that it was a false alarm, do you know -- do you have anything else on that, can you tell us what you're hearing from your sources? >> gillian, the u.s. pacific command is based in hawaii and they track all of north korea's ballistic launches and when they put out the statement, people with rest assure not only are actors, these are the guys and
women that you track this type of missile launches, they could make that judgment. gillian: while we have you, i want to get viewers the benefit of tapping into your expertise, can you tell us a word about pacific commands mission and what they do more broadly? >> the u.s. pacific command is the largest combatant command in the world leading the u.s. military, the pentagon has divided the world into different sections, the pacific, u.s. pacific command based in hawaii in pearl harbor runs all u.s. military operations, army, navy, air force, marines, in the entie pacific region, southern pacific, all the way to hawaii and parts of the pacific. so you're talking about hundreds of warships based in hawaii, you're talking about ships based -- gillian: lucas, we have to
why? because information is powerful. that's our closing thought for you. and that does it for "the beat." i also want to say a big thank you to ayman mohyeldin and chris jansing for anchoring all last week. i will be back here at 6:00 p.m. eastern tomorrow. "hardball" with chris matthews starts right now. big bad wolf. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews back in washington. well, the president spent the weekend defending his mental stability. and look, i've been away for two weeks and ucome back to that kind of news. and perhaps more telling, his defense of his military -- or mental stability only raised more questions about, you guessed it, his mental stability. and then there is the new hope of the resistance. like other heroic figures, she goes by one name and one name
president. on saturday, president trump tweeted, actually, throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being really smart. i went from a very successful businessman to top tv star to president of the united states on my first try. i think that would qualify as not smart but genius. and a very stable genius at that. that was the president over the weekend. well, the president told reporters he tweeted about his stability because of the charges in michael wolff's new book. >> i consider it a work of fiction. and i think it's a disgrace that somebody is able to have something, do something like that. the libel laws are very weak in this country. if they were strong, it would be very helpful. you wouldn't have things like that happen where you can say whatever comes to your head. but just so you know, i never interviewed with him in the white house at all. he was never in the oval office. i guess sloppy steve brought him into the white house quite a bit.
and it was one of those things. that's why sloppy steve now looking for a job. that would be steve bannon, of course. another guy he doesn't like. according to michael wolff, the author of the new book, the people around the president think something is wrong with their boss. let's watch. >> everybody in this white house, and i keep saying this 100%, because it is 100% of the people closest to the president, to donald trump, believe that there is something wrong here, something -- something fundamentally wrong. something that scares them. as a matter of fact, they went from if there is any reason they stay in the white house now, it's because they are scared. they believe they have a responsibility to the american people. >> well, that scarce you. meanwhile, axios report there's is actually much less to the president's schedule than meets the eye. jonathan swan sitting to my left here writes president trump is starting his official day much later than he did in the early days of his presidency, often around 11:00 a.m.
this is largely to meet trump's demands for more executive time, that's in quotes, which almost always means tv and twitter time alone in the residence. trump's days in the oval office are relatively short, from about 11:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. and during that time he usually has a meeting or two, but spends a good deal of time making phone calls and watching cable news in the dining room adjoining the oval office. for more i'm joined by jonathan swan -- i didn't mean to be sarcastic. jonathan swan of axios along with susan page and "washington post" eugene robinson. this is a great group to start me back. i have to tell you, when you're away for a couple of weeks and you've been reading all this stuff, what the hell is happening? the president of the united states is out there tweeting his mental defense, claiming he would pass the kind of competency test you would get when your relatives put you away. i mean, is he commedemented? your reporting. >> my own reporting is there are
white house staffers that question his stability -- >> is it mental stability or iq? is it brains or stability? >> i would say it's both. >> really? >> however. it is complete nonsense that it is 100% as michael wolff claims. that is just an second-degree murder. >> give me a percentage. . >> it's hard. it's hard to know. circumstances it high? >> i would say it's reasonable. it's a reasonable percentage there are senior staff who are -- who deride him privately, who i would say have contempt. >> why are they still there? i worked in politics for years. and you worked for somebody. you were loyal to that person. that's why you were working for them. i mean you always need a job, but that's why you were working for them. how do you defend why these people are still if they're dumping on their boss? >> it's better that you have good people there protecting the country. >> so they believe he is a little nuts and they got to protect the country from him? >> 100% there are people who believe that, yes. >> susan, you are reporting there are people in the white
house who believe this president is unstable and part of their patriotic duty is to be there to keep him from going off the rails? >> yes. i think that's some of the reason people are at the white house and in senior administration feel. >> you know what you're saying here. this is historic. i think we've had people like president wilson who got sick at the end, his wife had to be his caretaker. we had people who had deep depression like abraham lincoln, gene. >> yeah. >> but we didn't have anybody like this, this people thought he was starkers. >> not that i can remember. >> and nixon at the very end when he was drinking too much. >> right. nixon at the very end. and toward the end of ronald reagan's term, there were questions about, you know, whether he lost a step, right. >> but not unstable. not unstable. >> not like this. nobody to my recollection has questioned, number one, a president's basic fitness for the job in terms of his ability. >> is this 25th amendment stuff? is this the sense that maybe says somebody we'll have to come in and take him out some day
under the constitutional amendment, where you basically have the cabinet vote him out? . that is the dilemma with those who think the 25th amendment is how this ends. you need the vice president and the cabinet that the power should be transferred to the vice president. i think that is a very hard thing to envision. >> it's a left wing fantasy. this 25th amendment is a left wing fantasy. >> because? >> because susan just laid it out. there. >> is a reasonable number of people in the white house who think he sun stable. >> not 25th amendment. >> unstable? >> well, irrational, volatile. michael wolff says the 25th amendment is discussed every day in the white house. absolute nonsense. absolute nonsense. >> i agree that 25th amendment is not going to happen. it's just ridiculous to assumele that, unless he is just barking at the moon. literally, unless he is clearly off his rocker.
>> okay. >> it's not going to come up and it's not going to happen. >> impeachment is more likely than the 25th amendment. if the democrats win control of the house and the special counsel comes back with a damning report, it is conceivable, politically conceivable to have impeachment. >> more likely than any of that is -- >> look out. i think next time if the democrats win their house this fall, the subpoena power will be used next spring. >> exactly. >> and they will act. >> subpoena power. >> they have a huge number of democrats who want to impeach him now. by the time this thing goes its course, trump must know. >> congress has a power to restrain and constrain an out of control executive. and i think if the democrats were to win control, that would be the most likely thing. >> let's take a look at this. white house advise wed all watched this today. it was on yesterday. but it's been around all day. stephen miller defending his boss on cnn in an interview with jake tapper. they quickly grew heated, i'd
administration. watch the hatred and unfairness of this cnn flunkie. is trump actually watching this in realtime, or does stephen say guess what? you got to see how i did on cnn. he is the president of the united states and he is watching this stuff over the weekend. isn't he playing golf or doing something like that? >> chris, if you don't think this whole thing was orchestrated for exactly what we saw, they haven't jake tapper -- they have not given jake tapper on cnn, they have not given him a single senior administration official for weeks. to send stephen miller, the most provocative one out, there it was blood sport. >> they went no to provoke this. >> of course, of course. >> jonathan is absolutely right. they obviously wanted this fight. they're not in the habit of providing senior administration officials to gone jake tapper's show. they just don't do that. >> this is the 39% still with donald trump. >> just for donald j. trump. >> it's for him.
>> one of the reasons he was on was to publicly behead steve bannon. that was one of the purposes of him going on that show. >> you mean -- turkey, go on there -- for stephen miller go out there and gut him. >> the sloppy steve he calls him now. anyway, he was his hero. in a statement, steve bannon backtracked a bit from his criticism in the wolff book of the 2016 trump tower meeting with the russians. remember that? in june of '16. he called it treasonous and unpatriotic. yesterday bannon wrote donald trump is both a patriot and a good man. my comments were aimed at paul manafort, a seasoned campaign professional with experience and knowledge of how the russians operate. he should have known they were cunning and not our friends. according to michael wolff, however, that isn't true. let's watch. >> i like steve. i'm grateful for the time he gave me, the insights he gave me, and i don't want to put him
in more hot water than he is already in. >> that statement was false? >> it was not directed at manafort. it was directed directly at don jr. >> meanwhile, the steve bannon statement doesn't seem to have helped. according to bloomberg, trump's aides are tracking who came out with full throated criticism of bannon over the weekend. and they put out the word that the president is keeping score. bannon hoped his statement would begin to put the episode behind him. a half dozen source describe almost the exact opposite. trump remains angry at the disloyalty of his former strategist. susan, put this all back together. what is going on? is there anybody still -- i keep thinking. i was away. and i kept watching all that is going on in this country, i kept thinking this reminds me of the shakespeare play "julius cease
so caesar." eventually he had no real friends. he had sycophants, but he had brutuss around him. who is besides the sycophants who get paid and do what they're told, is there any grown-up person around twloump is still a trumpite and is still loyal to him? who gets on the phone i like the guy, he is smart, he is running the country well. are there people like that? tom barrack? people like that? >> who are not from the trump world, who have independent standing and who are still close to him. i think the chief of staff kelly is one who comes closest. someone who can tell the truth to trump and have standing with trump. >> does he believe in him, though, or does he believe he has to contain him? >> i think that's a fair question. i think he has recognized the limits of his ability to contain trump. so i think he tries to do what he can do. and he actually seemed to be more a defender of trump than you might have expected when he took the job. >> let's go back to how we started the segment. you secretary of defense reasonable number of people in the white house don't think the president's got it together. >> to be clear, they don't think
he is mentally deranged. they think that he is not up to the job, that he is unqualified for job, i. >> unfit for the job. >> doesn't have the requisite knowledge. you could use the word unfit, but again, they're not making psychiatric diagnosis. more he is ignorant and things like that. almost everyone who cover the white house hear that privately with all that conversation. >> the outside view, at least i do, i'm watching this. i watched presidents since i was born practically, since ike. and i never heard a president who seems to be so reactive. he cares what anybody says. he is the opposite of say ike who said the hell with that guy. >> exactly. he is super sensitive to any sort of criticism. and that's the way he is. i got to say, though, that i have spoken with people who've known him for many, many years who think he's different now whom. think he has -- that something isn't quite the same. that he he's more sensitive, th
he's got more of a hair trigger, that he is less able to digest and sort of process complicated information than he was before. now i have spoken with people who have said that. and i haven't known him for 40 years. so i can't evaluate that that's out there too. >> the pressure of having so many people dislike what he is doing. he has done things that make himself very unpopular. anyeyes, could say it's not the first time a president's mental fitness has been questioned. in fact, back in 2014, not a million years ago, donald trump tweeted i'm starting to think i there is something seriously wrong with president obama's mental health. why won't he stop the flights? psycho! that's trump talking. he was talking to the u.s. response to the ebola outbreak. he wanted the president to stop travel from west africa. he was using the words about mental health and psycho. i mean, he really doesn't have much to defend here about what people are saying about him right now. >> there is an old saying, there is a tweet for everything. literally everything trump says, you can go back and find where
he said the opposite. >> and that would be the truth. thank you, susan page. i saved that. you european robinson, it is great to be back. jonathan swan, you're back from aussie land. program note. michael wolff, author of "fire and fury" which they even want in nigeria, everybody wants a copy, inside the trump white house will be our guest here tomorrow night on "hardball." i can bet we'll open the show with him. coming up, the russia investigation goes on. trump keeps saying there is nothing to see there. but talks are under way about a potential interview with the president and special counsel rober robert mueller getting together, i think under oath. plus, after that impassioned speech last night at the golden globes, there are a lot of people seriously talking about oprah winfrey to run for president. and it does make sense. she has the charisma to take on a trump. something the rest of the democratic contenders may be lacking. by the way, they haven't proven any charisma yet. i'll say that. and the "hardball" round table with three big scoops that you'll be talking about tomorrow.
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in addition to defending his mental state, the president this weekend also announced he was postponing his fake news awards, so-called, originally planned for this evening. tonight the president tweeted the fake news awards, those going to the most corrupt and biased of the mainstream media will be presented to the losers on wednesday, january 17th rather than this coming monday. he said that. and the interest in and importance of these awards is far greater than anyone could have anticipated. unbelievable. we'll be right back.
president denied he is even under investigation and said the probe reflects badly on this country. >> if robert mueller asks you to come and speak with his committee personally, are you committed still to doing that? >> just so you understand, just so you understand, there has been no collusion. there has been no crime. and in theory, everybody tells me i'm not under investigation. we could have done it two ways. well could have been very closed and it would have taken years. but sort of like when you've done nothing wrong, let's be open and get it over with. because honestly it's very, very bad for our country. it's making our country look fullish. >> well, now nbc news is reporting, however, that initial talks are under way for a potential interview between the president and robert mueller's investigators. three people familiar with the matter say the president's legal team is discussing a range of potential option for format, including written responses to questions in lieu of a formal sit-down. but they're also seeking potential compromises that could
avoid an interview altogether according to two of the sources. simply "the washington post" is reporting an interview could come in the next several weeks. the white house declined to comment, only saying it's continuing its full cooperation with the office of special counsel in order to facilitate the earliest possible resolution. i'm joined now by joy ainsley and former independent candidate for president in 2016. and jill wine-banks was an assistant prosecutor during watergate. jill, let me ask you about this. why is the president of the united states unlike bill clinton and people before him, jerry ford had to go before the congress and be interviewed. why d why does he get to set obstacles and conditions? well, i might want it in a written form. i don't want to hear crap about written. you come in and answer my questions. what is the president allowed to do there? can he just say no? >> no man is above the law. so he should be subject to
coming in for an interview. and the written sport ridiculous option. usually when you have written interrogatories, they're answered by lawyers. they deal with specific kinds of facts. the kind of thing like please identify all documents that you have. or give me some data. it wouldn't be asking for what did you do and when did you do it, what did you know and when did you know it. those are things you have to do under oath and in person, not through any other form. and he should not be any different than bill clinton or anybody else who has had to answer questions from a prosecutor. so he should be subject to that. i would look forward to that and think it's an essential step in resolving the full terms of this investigation. >> joy, one of the sense i had coming home from being abroad is this -- it's not hysterical, but this craziness in the white house. something is going on. everybody is pointing fingers at each other. everybody is trying to get out
of the trap of being blamed for something. that because they sense this is getting to somewhere, the fact that mueller now wants to talk to the president? he has heard enough to challenge him with tough questions. like did you get economic help from the russians when you built those hotels? were you getting secret money from them to lander? very direct questions that could be perjurious. >> we know that mueller's team met with president trump's team in late december. and now we hear how they are talking about how they might want to negotiate. they're in preliminary and ongoing discussions about whether and how the president would sit down with mueller's team. and they're trying to avoid that to some extent. >> he is lying. he has something dirty he doesn't want discussed. whoa what are the options he doesn't want to talk? >> think of the client. this is a president who mouths off a lot. he could very easily incriminate himself even if he doesn't have anything to hide. even if there is nothing to
hide, he is someone who could say something that could backfire against a legal strategy. and really, any defense counsel would not want their client to speak to the prosecution. but in this case it's the president of the united states. politically he can't plead the fifth or it looks like he has something huge to hide. >> the reason we all went to school, you don't want a pop quiz when the teacher asks you to your face. i'll do a take-home and look at a book. the fact that he wants it in writing would seem to me he is afraid of a surprise question. >> absolutely. >> he has no idea what they're going to ask him. >> and i think his attorneys are rightly concerned about that. but look, president trump will have to sit down with mueller or with his team. it's a political imperative, especially as we head into 2018. you're right. it's a quiz. it's not a pop quiz, but it's a quiz. if this quiz is failed by the president, then it has serious implications in 2018. the thing, i think he is stuck between a rock and a hard place. thing goes very poorly for him. but if he avoids it, that's also a disaster.
>> let me go back to jill on this. it seems to me, how wide a question can you ask? can you say to a guy in the witness chair who is basically the target of the investigation, how many conversation and when were they, and i want them listed when you talked to anybody about the russians? i want to know in the last year who did you talk to about russians? just russians. just get it all on the paper. all the meetings, all the conversations with the people working for him, whether it's jared, his son-in-law, whoever it is. everything you talk to anybody bad about russia, i want the answer. they do that in court? can they do it in a deposition like this? >> in a deposition you could. in court you would have to be probably a little bit more specific or you'd have relevance options. but right now i would say that any conversation he had with any member of his staff or with any russian directly would be relevant. the one thing i want to go back to something julius said, which is if you have written questions, they can be answered by the lawyer and frequently are
written down by the lawyer. in the case of this one, i'm not sure that's a big advantage to him because right now john dowd, his lawyer, is taking credit for the very incriminating tweet that said that he had fired flynn -- i'm sorry, that he had fired comey because -- i'm sorry. i'm back to flynn that he fired flynn because he had lied to both the vice president and the fbi. which is very incriminating. so i'm not sure he is better off having his lawyers draft the answers. but she is absolutely right that it is very dangerous for him to answer questions because he says whatever comes to his mind. and it could be very incriminating. >> well, trump's lawyers appear to want to minimize the risk involved here, as i said in an interview with their client and the special counsel mueller. however, the president said publicly in june that he would be willing to speak to robert mueller, at least to dispute james comey's testimony. here he goes. >> would you be willing to speak under oath to give your investigation -- >> 100%. >> so if robert mueller wanted
to speak with you than? >> i would be glad to tell him exactly what i just told you. >> in spite he is told he is not under investigation, trump stated on twitter last june, i am being investigated for firing the fbi director. he said that is so ridiculous. he is under investigation. his lawyers are arguing what kind of testimony he is going to give, how he is going give, whether it's in writing or in person. and then he still holds off the fact he is not being investigated. what is going on? >> we can go back and look at the clips. he says he is not being investigated, he is. i don't think there a lot of rhetorical strategy going into these tweets or legal strategy into what's happening here. he wants to say that he is not under investigation, and he may be told that by his legal team because they want him to keep calm and not write more tweets like this. but we know at the heart of any investigation into whether or not trump in the campaign colluded with prussia, i don't have you to talk to the candidate.
>> tell session he can't recuse himself. he wanted to van attorney general who would defend him. he didn't want an attorney general investigating him or helping an investigation. is that obstruction? it seems to be certainly politically it looks like it. >> it just seems like everywhere you look, trump is trying in a different way to block this investigation. he said if sessions was going to recuse himself, i would have -- if i had known that, i would have selected a different attorney general. so that's pretty damning in and of itself. i will say in trump's continued representation of this phrase, "i am not under investigation," he hedged on that on friday. he said in theory i'm not under investigation. i think he is becoming so patently obvious for the reasons julia mentioned that he is part of this investigation, that even he can't get away with saying it anymore. >> evan, didn't you wish you knew this when you were rung against him? >> sure. >> and jill wine-banks. i love reporters these days. reporters are the best. up next, oprah's speech has
calls for her to run for president in 2020. and one guy who talked about her holding national office is donald trump. we'll get to my whose quote from my program. it is acknowledgment that democrats like a proven star, someone with charisma to take on trump? i think that may i be the back story here which they need somebody like her. they haven't found somebody like her, if not her. this is "hardball," where the action. what comes next. if you move your old 401(k) to a fidelity ira, we make sure you're in the loop at every step from the moment you decide to move your money to the instant your new retirement account is funded. ♪ oh and at fidelity, you'll see how all your investments are working together. because when you know where you stand, things are just clearer. ♪ just remember what i said about a little bit o' soul ♪
welcome back to "hardball." seemingly under siege after the release of the scathing new tell-all "fire and fury" by michael wolff, president trump is striking out. this time against a new round of questions surrounding his mental health and fitness. here he is on saturday. >> this morning you were tweeting about your mental state. why did you feel the need to tweet about that this morning? >> only because i went to the best colleges or college. i went to a -- i had a situation where i was a very excellent student, came out, made billions and billions of dollars, became one of the top business people, went to television. and for ten years was a tremendous success, as you probably have heard. ran for president one time and won. >> isn't that the way your mother and father told you not to talk? anyway, it's not the first time the president has felt the need to out the his accomplishments. >> so here i uam, great schools,
great brain, great success. >> i went to an ivy league school. i'm very highly educated. i know words. have i the best words. >> i was a good student. i always hear about the elite, you know, the elite. they're elite. i went to better schools than they did. i was a better student than they were. >> and then they say is donald trump an intellectual? trust me, i'm like a smart person. >> i know words. anyway, with trump's popularity stuck in its usual place, the upper 30s, democrats are looking for a break-out star to take on the president come 2020. last night at the golden globes, oprah winfrey broke through. the media mogul who was being honored for her role promoting strong female characters on and off the screen delivered this powerful speech. >> i want all the girls watch hearing and now to know that a new day is on the horizon! [ applause ]
and when that new day finally dawns, it will be because of a lot of magnificent women, many of whom are right here in this room tonight, and some pretty phenomenal men fighting hard to make sure that they become the leaders who take us to the time when nobody ever has to say me too again. >> almost immediately, twitter lit up with calls for her to run for president. a source close to winfrey, who retired from her daily television show way back in 2011 has told nbc news that she's got no intention of rung. but today her long time partner stedman graham told "the l.a. times," it's up to the people. she would absolutely do it. back in 1999 during a "hardball" college tour, oprah got an early endorsement, albeit from a different job. it came from a potential rival, donald trump.
>> would you consider a woman for your running mate? and if so, who? >> well, i would consider. and as chris can tell you, i threw out the name of a friend of mine who i think the world of. she is great. and some people thought it was an incredible idea. some people didn't. but oprah. i said oprah winfrey, who is really great. and i think we would be a very formidable team. >> well, does oprah have a shot? stay tuned for the hardball round table. we'll talk about her chances of actually running and wing. we'll be right back. thank you so much. thank you! so we're a go? yes!
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here she, i know people have talked to you about whether or not you want to run. would you ever? >> probably not. but i do get tired of seeing the country ripped off. >> why would you not? >> i just don't think i really i have the inclination to do it. i love what i'm doing. i really like it. >> also doesn't pay as well. >> no, it doesn't. >> so is this a matchup we're going to see in 2020? let's bring in the "hardball" round talk tonight. this is not heavy lifting. clarence page and jenna johnson, white house reporter for "the washington post." and david catney. i don't know when stedman graham, her long-time partner said you know, it's up to the people, it sounded to me like he is throwing her hat in the ring. for real. >> i don't know who "the l.a. times" sources were, but they claimed two sources. and i would guess the other one is probably gayle. >> gayle king. >> gayle king, exactly. word has been around for a while that oprah has been interested in this. and she has had political inclinations in the past.
remember, she testified on capitol hill in favor of the child protection act. and she has been quite active on some issues involving south africa where she has a school down there. >> that's right. >> she's had some activism over the years. so she is not totally green to this. >> jenna, go on here. this is something that tells me a lot about our country. it shows we don't have any tall trees running for presidency yet. i think bernie would do well. elizabeth warren would do well. but nobody looks like the person who has closed the field and said there is no opening here. >> people are just rallying behind her today. every time i looked up at the tv, there she was. i mean, in the past 24 hours, we've seen how so many democrats are just eager to find a big personality to get behind. and she is not any big personality. she is someone who can kind of challenge trump on his own turf. >> how so? how would that look if the two of them went on stage together? would she let him stand behind her? i mean -- >> would he try? >> what the hell are you doing,
buddy. >> he can only do that once, i think. >> when he talks about the billions and billions of dollars that he has made, look at the empire that she's built, all on her own. and she was born into poverty. she didn't have parents giving her a million dollar loan or chipping in here and there and things like that. he talks about the success of "the apprentice" that was on air for nearly 12 years. look at her show, on the air for 25 years. and popular in a way that "the apprentice" never, ever was. but the big thing that we saw last night was she got in front of an audience to accept an award. trump would have talked a lot about himself. oprah got up there and she talked about the people who inspired her when she was a kid. she talked about civil rights icons. and she talked about people who she felt like had been kind of left out of the me too. >> i want to be the values here. first of all she is a nice person. i hope that doesn't put somebody down to say they're nice these
days. she is inclusive. it's all about everybody. she is rooting for everybody in trouble. she is always rooting for men and women. mostly women. but i've watched her. the reason we love her is she seems to care about the person watching her on television. she seems to have empathy, which trump doesn't. >> it's the liberal vacuum for anybody that can stand against trump. this is the democratic party that doesn't have an obvious leader. and here is someone who does a killer speech, who has 100% name id, who most people like. i think most people like oprah. what was the most fascinating thing to me today and watching how this unfolded was that people -- serious democrats embraced it. >> i know. >> you had people from the clinton campaign coming out there saying i think she should run. she would be great you. had barack obama's iowa director from 2012 said oprah, call me. i can introduce you to some county chairs in iowa. now it's a little bit of a media creation that gets behind these things. but many people that were out there saying do it. a lot of people said no. the answer is not a celebrity.
serious democrats said look, this is too far. she gave one speech. we need someone that knows issues that has experience. we can't match a celebrity that doesn't know what he is doing with another celebrity that has no experience. >> i wouldn't say she doesn't know what she is doing. >> well, she doesn't have government experience. >> it's the oprah winfrey candidacy got a boost today from one democratic senator, hawaii's macy her rona. >> i love the fact that oprah winfrey, who i really like and really loved her speech last night because it's time to put an end to harassment at all levels. if she wants to join the group of wonderful people oning for democratic presidency, i say great. >> well, that was soft. if she wants to join the other people. that wasn't quite an endorsement. but jonathan allen wrote delivered the kind of inspirational and aspirational message at the golden globes that hillary clinton had trouble hammering home in the 2016
presidential election. you know what i think? the question for me is what is trump going to do right now? is he dopey? i'm not going to ask that. that's the wrong way to put it. is he stupid enough to attack her? or is he smart enough to lay back? >> he won't attack her until he feel likes she say tacking him. you now how he is. >> he gets quiet. >> that's right. what i was reminded of watching oprah's speech is barack obama back at that 2004 convention in boston. you remember that? he lit that place up. democrats at the time were demoralized. they were feeling down in the dumps. they were worried about al sharpton. >> and who came on right after he spoke said you have just seen the first african american president. >> was it me by any chance? >> no more bragging. the crowded trump field in 2020 where she would have run. just as trump did in 2016. one of his vanquished rivals lindsey graham was asked today
the questions surrounding the president's mental stability. let's listen. >> anyway, saturday trump called himself, quote, like, really smart. and a stable genius. so do you think he is, like, really smart and a stable genius? >> i think this. if he doesn't call himself a genius, nobody else will. >> that's his friend talking. what do you make of that? >> i mean, we're sitting here laughing. >> what else are you going to do? >> exactly. >> the lindsey graham who is the local, the most loyal guy right now saying if he doesn't call himself smart, nobody else will. >> i mean, the fact that this has gotten away from the white house in the way that it has, trump latched on to michael wolff's book. a lot of people would have looked away, and he went right for it. and here we are, having this conversation about his mental health. something that we avoided until he went there and started talking about it himself. >> you know why? just a few days ago he was talking about his nuclear button being bigger than the north
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you have no jobs. 58% of your youth is unemployed. what the hell do you have to lose? >> well, now donald trump is taking credit for turning things around. this morning he tweeted "african american unemployment is at its lowest ever record in our country's history. the hispanic unemployment rate dropped a full point in the last year and it's close to the lowest in recorded history. dems did nothing for you but get your vote. #neverforget." while it is true it has dropped to a record low of 6.8%, that number also fell steadily under president obama. it peaked at nearly 17% during the -- actually after the financial crisis. but by the time obama left office, it had dropped more than half, down to 7.8. obama deserves a lot of credit. we'll be right back. due to afib, a type of irregular heartbeat not caused by a heart valve problem. but no matter where i ride, i go for my best. so if there's something better than warfarin,
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rock" johnson. >> of course. he was there last night. >> well, people were talking about how what happened to his campaign. he looked around, saw that his booked up for movie production up into 2021. now he says he is looking at 2024. along with kanye west. the way is now clear for hollywood picking. >> upon this rock we will build our hopes. there you go. >> months ago, vice president pence's team started planning this big trip to the middle east. then the president made his big jerusalem decision. the trip was postponed. it was postponed again. it was delayed. it was postponed a little bit more. as of today, they finally have dates on the calendar. >> how did they get around the christian groups that didn't want him to go? >> they're not meeting with them. he is going to go to egypt first is going to be the first stop on january 20th and then to jordan, which is a new stop that wasn't on the original schedule. two days in israel, and then back to the united states. >> okay. go ahead, david. >> another house republican
retirement today. hanging a it up. >> why are they quitting? >> they see a blue wave coming. there are new 30 house republicans that are retiring or resigning, not choosing to run in their seats next year. democrats need only 24 pickups to win. you now have a real scenario. operatives on both sides think you could have a democratic house still have divided government. >> david, if they get the house, they get subpoena power, impeachment starts a year from now, right now. the clarence page, thank you, jenna johnson and david cantonese. when we return, i got one. i like it. hope you do too. you're watching "hardball."
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massacre. that's what made us different, really different. we were going to be the kind of country where even soldiers were going get the protections of law because we wanted those protections for ourselves. we wanted everyone to honor the law. think of george washington, who after serving two terms as president could easily have ruled this country like a dictator, who gave up all the trappings of office and went back to virginia. this is not some place where a guy who fightser for independence was going get the chance to become ruler for life and grab it. we're going to be a country where power, even out of our popular hero, was going to be limited. think of our free press, of people like thomas payne who wrote a pamphlet called "common sense" who demanded this country have independence. and more than that, we were going to be the kind of independent country as thomas jefferson advised where people if having to choose would demand a free press over any kind of government trying to deny one. these are the american principles which are now under stress, of course. more than, that the world is watching us. less than a year ago, we were the country the world looked up
not to prosecute citing the controversial stand your ground law. now federal lawmakers want a justice department investigation. the lawyers who represented trayvon martin and george zimmerman are here. plus, for the president, it was the best of weeks and the worst of weeks, depending on your point of view. michael cohen again dominating headlines claiming trump knew in advance of the meeting with russian representatives. meanwhile, the longstanding accountant gets a federal subpoena. amidst the legal woes came more economic news. the president lifts the gdp above 4%. mid-terms on the horizon, is it still the economy, stupid? and this pennsylvania 5th and 6th grade teacher has been moonlighting for years. suddenly it's endangering his day job? because he plays a bad guy that
does the nazi salute and shouts zig heil. is the problem his or the fans who cheer him on, rather than booing? but first there's a funeral today for a man shot dead july 19 in a florida parking lot. the shooting is on video, everybody knows who does it. the culprit has not been charged because of the florida stand your ground law. the same one much discussed in the context of the killing of trayvon martin. now federal lawmakers are calling the doj to investigate. so how did we get here? after finishing her nursing shift, brittany jacobs and her boyfriend wanted to grab snacks and drinks. so they took their kids under the age of 6, they parked in the handicapped spot, despite none of the cars's inhabitants are disabled.
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attorney for a moment, his perception is also skewed because of what he's going through. but when you look at the tape, muck laughlin had backed away, there is a distance, he's not towering over him. the idea of taking out the gun pointing it, i'm almost okay with that. but the idea of center of mass shooting and killing a man over a push that has now ended, i don't see the justification. >> hey, mark, i think benjamin is right in saying when the gun comes out, the decedent appears to take a few steps back, probably a few seconds, a split second, taken off the clock. is it fair to say you were og to
pull the gun but not to fire the trigger? >> yes, i think the answer to that is less. let's not forget florida tried to pass. >> definitely, by the way, he just backed up like four steps -- watch it again, pardon my disruption, we can all see this. >> he absolutely did. again, florida tried to pass almost did pass a warning shot statute that would have said, you are allowed to take out the gun. you are each allowed to shoot it to let the person know, i'm armed and i will use it. that's the theory behind it, but the idea with a two, three, four step back, in backing up, and a two, three, four-second delay, i think that if you are going to exercise your second amendment rights and we have them. we will always have them, but you have to do it responsibly. and here's the problem. someone like dreska who used their weapon unreasonably really affects the rest of us and our ability to properly utilize our second amendment rights. he used it improperly, now focus is again on that.
>> great observation. thank you for being here, mark. i appreciate it. >> thank you. what is your thoughts? tweet me, i will read some responses throughout the course of the program. this i think comes from facebook -- i'm a supporter of the second amendment and this was murder. this jackass was looking for a fight. like you say, everybody was wrong, illegal parking shouldn't be a death sentence. mark o'meara just made that point, right? that this guy in this instance frankly jeopardizes second amendment rights for a number of other americans because of the way he acted. yeah, they shouldn't have parked there. the guy that come out shouldn't have shoved him. those are minor transgressions in my opinion, in comparison to the guy who has been shoved, pulls out a gun and responds with deadly force. up ahead, this week the president had bad news on the russian and michael cohen investigations and pretty good
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a book that you're ready to share with the world? get published now, call for your free publisher kit today! so why is donald trump so popular with his supporters, despite being under siege on so many fronts? simple, it's the economy. if elected he said the u.s. gross product would hit 4%. a lot of people mocked him. it's the best showing since the third quarter of 2014. remember unemployment remains at a near record low. joining me now is steve cortez just named as an adviser to president trump's 2020 a wall street trader for 20 years, and is head strategist for bgb partners, who advises banks and hedge funds.
i'm going to give you 30 seconds for a victory lap. then i want to play devil's advocate. go ahead. >> sure. we should take a victory lap, by the way. not just for team trump, but for team america, more importantly. we've endured a long slow growth. the lion's share went to the top of the economic ladder. we're seeing the opposite, accelerating growth and broadening growth, meaning it's going to more people, for example, african-american and hispanic unemployment hit all-time lows. the economic underdogs are doing well, for example, people without a high school degree, by definition underdogs the lowest unemployment since 2000. we are seeing fast growth because of tax and regulatory relief. there is an optimism pervasive and real, and it's tangible. >> all right. let me be debbie downer. at least for the purpose of this conversation. john harwood, cnbc, put this in perspective by showing, where would this rank with modern presidents?
fifth under obama, tied for fifth under george w. bush, tied for fifth under herbert walker bush. this would be the 14th best under ronald reagan. doesn't sounds so impressive when you put it in that context. >> sure, that's a great point. i'm the first to say we have more work to do. this is just the beginning. i believe. that we can't have one great quarter. we need to have many great quarters and in succession. i believe we will. i think the government is creating the conditions for success in our country and small business in particular is responding. optimism, it's an all time high or multi-decade high, consumer confidence is soaring. i agree, there is more work to do, we have more wood to chop. we won't be satisfied with a single quarter growth. we need many of them. >> how about this one? it's all about the soybeans, buyers seem to have stocked before the government imposed tariffs. this is actually a reaction to trade wars. >> right.
i think that's an important point. it is possible some of the growth was pulled into this quarter, that might have been quarter three growth. we will find out right before election day, i think 11 days before the vote. we'll get third quarter gdp. here's what i believe, the united states because of our tax and regulatory relief that's going on, because that is so powerful no matter what happens in terms of manipulating sales into quarter 2, i think the grout in quarter 3 is incredible in this country right now. i think the american economy, it needed government to get out of the way. most entrepreneurs when you talk to them, they don't want government to help them. they want government to get out of the way. that's what's happening via our tax code a more simplified and lower tax scheme and a sensible and predictable regulatory regime. >> another critique i heard from the glass half empty analysis would be this is by virtue of
the tax cut the president put through and at what costs to the debt are we going to accept that? >> right. listen, michael, i think that's a great point, i do worry about our debt and our deficit. i would say this, too, though, we are in a situation because there is no political will on either side of the aisle to touch entitlementts. that's reality. neither president trump nor congressional republicans nor congressional democrats want to touch entitlements. if we're not going to touch entitlements, the only way then for us to reduce our debt long term is faster growth. in my view it's worth taking the risks for reducing it long term, because we go ahead the growth we need. >> hey, i appreciate the honest banter. i mean, it's good news. we're thrilled for it. right? but it comes with some caveats. that's the bottom line. >> of course. i say maga stands for make
america grow again. this is the reason i believe that donald trump was elected, among many, but the primary one, the economic anxiety particularly for working class people in this country who haven't seen their wages grow and seen expenses grow. that's unsustainable. they've reacted with their vote. now i think donald trump is starting to deliver. we're not done, not even close, starting to deliver. >> steve, thank you. appreciate you being here. >> you bet, thanks, michael. >> let's see what folks are saying via social media. what do we have? smerconish, why don't you start thanking donald trump for the success? i think the implication is that was a hit piece. that was no hit piece, that was me saying we got great economic news, there are some critiques and let me let the trump spokesperson run through them and respond to them. go look for bias elsewhere, my friend. so this relates to the survey question at smerconish.com.
i hope you are voting. which will more determine president trump's longevity in office? a strong economy? or the mueller and southern district investigations. please go vote. still to come the latest developments on the other half of that question, michael cohen's claim that donald trump knew in advance about that notorious trump tower meeting with russians. it could mean the president was personally willing to accept russian assistance or cohen is implicating himself. i'll ask michael isikoff, but despite the focus on cohen, it's another trump employee just subpoenaed who really knows the president's secrets, including his tax returns. who is alan weiselberg and what might he ends up revealing. finally, when does a teacher get in trouble after trying to earn extra money after hours? well, when he's moonlighting as a nazi-themed wrestler. i'll explain.
a blockbuster report from cnn this week said the president's former lawyer michael cohen is claiming the candidate donald trump had advance notice at trump tower with russian nationals. if it can be proven it's a game changer. the lawyer rudy giuliani denied that charge, and so did the president when he tweeted -- i did not know of the meeting. means cohen would be critiquing to two congressional meetings. his current claims weren't mentioned in special reports on the house intel committee. nevertheless, as is often the case with president trump, par sans quickly took sides based on instinct and not on evidence. my legal experience tells me such binary views overlook nuance.
i'm wondering if the truth lies somewhere in between. it straining decree ducredituala desire to obtain dirt on hillary clinton and vice-versa. such as the nature of a hard fought campaign. i'm not holding my breath of a smoking gun evidence of the president's knowledge of this one particular meeting. if it existed, i think we'd know by now, instead, this will come down to inference and interpretation. joining me is michael isikoff. where cohen didn't say this, in his congressional appearance, my suspicion is he will be much more vague than prosecutors would hope in listening to the conversation this week. >> look, there is a lot of reasons to be cautious, but there is also a lot of reasons to want to hear michael cohen's account.
you know, there's -- first of all, the significant of this should not be understated, if the president then candidate was informed of the trump tower meeting, it would clearly bolster any obstruction case that robert mueller was, is preparing because it would give a clear motive for the president, himself to want to shut down the russia investigation. there are plausible reasons to believe the president might have been informed. there is that blocked phone call that donald trump jr. makes after speaking to agalof about the upcoming trump tower meeting. the democrats on the house intelligence committee clearly believe that may have been a phone call to his father. there was the reference that the campaign was going to give a major speech about hillary
clinton just at the time that the e-mails setting up the trump tower meeting was taking place. but, you know, we don't know exactly what michael cohen has to say. as you've pointed out, he's testified twice before the house and senate in private. in his public statement he said he had no hint of any collusion by president trump with the russians. the house intelligence report says all witnesses were asked if trump was aware of the trump tower meeting and denied it. so michael cohen may well have to cop to lying to the house intelligence committee when he privately testified because, you know, that -- it would be a false statement if he didn't disclose this before. so, you know, we got to be cautious. i do have to say, it is a little odd the way we're learning about this.
normally, if you wanted to get a deal with robert mueller. you wouldn't go running to the press. you would make a proffer to mueller's office saying, here's what we got. and michael cohen's legal team for whatever reason didn't go that route. michael isikoff, one other observation. is this not going to extend, all these recent developments, however they pan out, is this not going to extend the mueller probe, not into the mid-term but into the 2020 election? >> look, it could, we don't know exactly where robert mueller is. there is a lot of reason to believe he is moving forward. we may see more before labor day, because there's an assumption he doesn't want to -- he will not want to do anything during the election season. so, you know, there's an expectation that there could be more coming from mueller. but, look, one of the most
frustrating things about all of this is, you know, michael, every major political scandal for the last half century, whether it be watergate or iran/contraor whitewater, resulted in public hearings in which witnesses testified before under oath before the tv cameras so the public can hear and learn them. none of that has happened here, michael cohen like everybody else has testified behind closed doors and then each side spins and cherry picks those aspects of testimony that they want the public to learn about. that's no way for congress to have investigated. you know, if michael cohen wants this out there. richard burr and mark warner tomorrow or sunday, monday, could subpoena him, have him testify in public this week before the senate intelligence committee and we could hear what he has to say and what he doesn't have to say.
>> michael isikoff, thank you. appreciate it, as always. >> sure enough. >> he's been called the most senior person in the trump organization, he's not a trump. he's been subpoenaed. alan weiselberg, this week we learned, he was subpoenaed to testify before a federal grand jury in the criminal probe of trump's personal lawyer, michael cohen. cohen referred to him on the infamous tape leaked this week to playmate karen mcdougal the "wall street journal" is saying he could have already testified. >> since weiselberg knows where all the financial bodies are buried and his tax problems for sure. could it lead to more problems for the president? joining me is the senior writer, at the institutional investor, he wrote this "wall street journal "profile of weiselberg under the headline donald
trump's loyal numbers man. richard, give me some insight. who is this gentleman? >> well, alan weiselberg has been with the trump organization for literally decades. he actually worked for fred trump before donald trump going back into the 1970s. he's been involved with so many of the transactions. his son barry works for the trump organization, and another son jack works for ladder capital. which is a mortgage company that's closely involved with the trump organization. so he is there dealing with some of the minutia of running a large organization. he signs checks. he's the money man as you mentioned, he knows where the money is going and he is very, very close to donald trump. ivanka trump in a statement said
that he is an integral part of the organization. this was back in 2016. he is really key to the organization, and the big surprise as well, what has taken so long for them to get around to subpoena him? >> you portrayed him as what of a antithesis. he is a quiet guy, he eats in the lunchroom, married to the same woman for 46 years. opposites attract in this instance. >> he has one attribute, which i think plays well to his longevity. he tends to face into the background, into the wall person as one person described it to me. he doesn't upstage his boss, never has, and he seems to agree with his boss on numerous occasions, which, as you might understand, disagreeing with
donald trump is not great for career longevity. so he's been very good at that. he's also been accorded an enormous amount of trust. remember, he is on or was on the board as treasurer of the donald trump foundation. he was on the board of the miss universe pageant, an organization close to donald trump's heart. so he's really been, oh and actually he was connected to the casinos themselves. so he's been accorded this very sensitive portfolio of duties at the trump organization. a one-word answer in the essence of time -- who knows more where the bodies are buried pertaining to the president? michael cohen or alan weiselberg. >> i would place my money on
alan weiselberg. he's the person that's closest. >> thank you for being here. i appreciate it, richard. >> a pleasure. >> let's check in on your tweets and social media, from twitter, smerconish, whether or not the president knew about the trump tower meeting doesn't matter. nothing came from it. it's not a crime to listen to what people have to say. everyone is making a mountain out of a mole head. elaine, how do you know nothing came of it? we know the dnc server was hacked, right? we think we know, it's not been proven, we know from the indictments there was meddling according to mueller's articulation of the chronology. so how is it that you know there was no connection between the two? i don't know that. i don't know what mueller knows. i'm eager to find out and my view of this is going to follow the evidence, not the politics. i want to know what you think, go to the website today, smerconish.com, and answer this question.
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you know, teaching is a tough job, often for not enough pay. now one middle school teacher in pennsylvania is in hot water for moonlighting at another gig. during the day kevin bean teaches fifth and sixth grade at the middle school. where he has taught since 2004. as a matter of fact, a mom called my sirius xm radio show sang his praises as the faculty adviser of her son's chess club. but at night, he becomes blitzkrieg, the german juggernaut. what's the minor league wrestling in a june match in quaker pennsylvania. he comes in, shouts zig heil, blitzkrieg, and raises his arm in a nazi absolute. a founder of prowrestling sheet,
ryan satton, who used to work at tmz and presumably knows a good story, waved the flag and said this video watch me second. watching the guy do nazi salutes on his way to the ring while children cheer him on as a good guy is terrifying. well, you can guess what happened next. local school officials were apparently unaware of the other gig. after they launched an investigation, they released a statement saying this -- once aware of the video, they acted immediately to conduct an internal investigation. the actions portrayed in this video do not represent the core values of the school district. full confession, i'm a product of the 1970s, a product of my youth was spent watching pro wrestling. saturday mornings, my brother and i used to sit on these
hisiusly colored green bean diagnose back chairs in our rec room, looking at a tv set that only goat seven channels. when we watched it, we were watching pro wrestling. which is what we loved to imitate. these were the days when vince mcmann was a geek an there was no in between. you knew you were for one side or the other. my personal favorite was chief jay strongbow. after wrestling, i could do his war dance. i think i could still do it, there was a long cartoonish for a crowd to boo. like the sheikh a syrian character that enters the ring wearing a headdress, and before matches, he would kneel on a prayer rug. maybe the teacher played the role too well for some the post pointed out the issue here may have been more about the audience than the teacher performer.
quote, blitzkrieg appeared to elicit more cheers from the crowd than his opponent cody rose. while he paraded around the ring, one man could be seen extending his arm in a nazi salute. a young boy held up a sign "blitzkrieg rules." another that translated means blitzkrieg, ruler of all people. as blitzkrieg prepared to enter the ring, chance filled the room. let us not forget in an earlier life, the president made a famous cameo in prowrestling himself. is kevin bean a part of the crowd turning a villain into a hero? when a teacher wouldn't -- as a nazi sympathizer is unfit to teach? two-thirds said he's fine to have both jobs.
i think that's the correct answer. absent evidence the teacher harbors and act on such appalling views. let me be clear, there is none of that evidence here, he ought to keep his job and young minds should continue to boo his character. still to come, your best and worst tweets and facebook comments, like this one from twitter. we have enough nazis parading through the country at the moment. character or not, pick a new villain. >> i think that's good advice. he would be best by moving on, but shouldn't lose his gig for it. i hope you answered the survey question at smerconish.com. i'm about to give you the results. go vote now. thank you! ♪ ♪ wait, i have something for you! every stay is a special stay at holiday inn.
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during the witch hunt. there it is, i guess a reflection of the fact that carter page testified without a lawyer and the full transcript was made public with very minor redactions. what else came in during the course of the program this hour. let the president do his job. >> i'm letting the president do his job. he got full credit today for the economy, we brought on one of his spokes men to talk about it. and i posed the critique questions to him. i'm not going to ignore what's going on relative the mueller and southern district coves. >> what if the trump tower meeting was completely innocent. did the lies start immediately after it was revealed? i don't know.
i want to add a little new answer, he was present when president trump was told of this upcoming meeting in trump tower with russian nationals. it did happen or it didn't happen. and my hunch is, it's much more in a grayer, right? it stands to reason there was plenty of conversation about the fact that be both sides wanted dirt on the other. and maybe in the end, michael cohen's story is going to be he believes the president was probably in the loop on that one meeting because he had been present for other conversations about collecting political dirt generally. why do i say that? that would preserve the honesty of the testimony he provided previously. then it can all line up. he can't say, it was that meeting but also general discussion. see you next week.
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james clapper, brennan was talking about it before. copper allegedly leaked it to cnn, fake news. let's not forget the major world of only dossier played with the fisa warrant application against trump. the trump campaign associate carter page, during and after the campaign, forgo separate warrants, the bulk of information coming from the phony russian dossier that hillary paid for. where's the investigation into this collusion? mr. mueller, where are you? the clinton campaign paid a c former spy and used russian lies to lie to the american people, steal an election, get a warrant to spy on americans, using an unverified, uncorroborated hillary clinton bought and paid for political document, nobody sells the fisa court judges ever, and the original obligations, subsequent applications, and disseminated what was false, untrue, propaganda, disinformation to rig an election, a presidential election!n given the rampant bias from team
mueller. trump-russia collusion is a total hoax. still money on the left, in your media, are rolling out recent actions of one-time trump attorney michael cohen as some kind m of smoking gun against president trump. even michael cohen himself, if they would do their jobs, they are lazy and overpaid, has beena denying the accusations of collusion. he did it in testimony on capitol hill in 2017. he said, "given my proximity to the president of united states and the candidate, lets me say that i never saw anything coming ahead of anything, that demonstrated his involvement in russian interference or election or any form russian collusion." let me say it again. it's time for the witch hunt to end. we are now more than 14 months into this politically motivated fishing expedition, all designed to malign the president that you come of the american people, voted for. if the deep state, your corrupt media, all these elites, had their way, well, he never would
have been president. that is why they rig the investigation into hillary to save her. now donald trump is theio leader of the free world, his decisions impact the lives of literally billions of people every day, and this collusion, lies, distraction, is hurting the country, and frankly, broad, asserting us as well. he needs to stop. meanwhile, breaking tonight, former deepp state trump hater, fired fbi director, jimmy comey, he may be headed back to capitol hill. house republicans are reportedly pushing to interview comey over his decision-making during the 2016 election. remember, he was one of the officials to sign off on the fisa warrant against the trump campaign associates. despite admitting the dossier, he said, wasn't salacious and unverified. but then he had already signed off on it. we also have breaking news on the immigration french tonight. over the weekend, the president tweeted this. "i'd be willing to shut down the government if it get democrats do not give us the votes for border security, which
includes the wall. must get rid of lottery, catch and release, and finally, go to a system of immigration that is merit-based. we need great people coming into our country. today, the president doubled down on that tweet. watch this. >> my administration is working hard to pass border security legislation. improved vetting, and establish a merit-based immigration system, which the united states needs very, very importantly, very badly. as the border is concerned, and personally, if we don't get border security, after many, many years of talk within the united states, i would have no problem doing a shut down. it's time we had proper border security. >> sean: secure the borders. as the president continues to push seriously for a wall to protect our country, and a common sense merit-based immigration system, well, your
friends in the democratic party, their friends in the media, they are playing political games with americans a strong economy. last week, great economic news. gdp grows at a whopping 4.1% rate.% despite the great news, our robust, healthy economy, we now have the largest labor participation rate ever. millions fewer on food stamps. oh, 4 million new jobs. isn't that great? the media is spinning that is bad news. only the media. take a look. >> here's the thing. with thehe economy booming liket is now, at least in gdp terms, low unemployment rates among minorities, he is still in the low 40s. where is he going to be when we have a recession in two years? >> there was an urgency in the president's voice that bordered on almost pulling a muscle, trying to pat yourself on the back. there is a sense of where you overhyped something, and there were so many times ml's remarks that are felt overhyped and how he was talking about the economy.
>> we accomplished an economic turnaround of historic proportions.ic [laughter] >> can replay that again? >> anybody that goes on the google machine can see that the economy went up and it's been steady, slow, gradual economic increase. >> sean: the vapors every morning. 6:00 to 9:00. can't help it. as we march toward the most important innt terms of our lif, buckle up, get ready, the rhetoric coming from the media, democrats, their friends on the left, it is going to get more insane, more negative, more ridiculous. i'm telling you, you better get ready. everybody's going to be smeared. buckle up. guess what? the future of your country is at stake by the democrats would back in november, this is their agenda, take a close look. right there. they want their crumbs back.
they want to rescind the tax cuts. they want to say it. they tell everyone to be quiet but they want to break the president. they love their obamacare. keep your doctor, keep your plan. i bet a lot of youu are paying o much less, right? they want to block judge kavanaugh and of course they want to handle legitimate, important investigations to the deep state and, yeah, they want open borders. we know they want open borders. they want to eliminate i.c.e. in 99 days, you, the people, will decide if the trump agenda stops. do you want that to happen? what did you vote for in 2016? there's a lot on the line here, there is no positive agenda. joining us now, the author of the hit new book, it has been number one for over a week. the russia hoax, the illicit scheme to clear hillary clinton and frame donald trump. fox news legal analyst gregg jarrett. the author of another huge best-selling book, "the case against appeasing trump,"
harvard professor who is not rey loved where he is on some island, i don't want to mention where because everyone is attacking him, alan dershowitz. and criminal civil rights attorney david schoen is with us. let's start with the so-called trump tower meeting. compare it to adam schiff, and he thinks he's talking to a russian about nake pictures of trump. he's excited about it. russian collusion. >> is not collusion to have either of those conversations, the trump tower meeting or adam schiff. it's not a violation of the federal campaign election act, because foreign nationals are allowed to volunteerer informatn in an american campaign. some have said, oh, it's a conspiracy to defraud the government. no, it'se not. that requires dishonesty, deceit, trickery, and craft. no application here. some have said, he is a law professor, well, it could be honest services fraud. no, that requires, according to this rheem cord, a bribe our
kickback. again, collusion is not even a crime. show me in the criminal code for this exists. i have an entire chapter in the book entitled, "it's not a crimt to talk to a russian." hillary clinton's campaign and democrats actually talked to more russians than the contact with the trump campaign. >> sean: they paid for russian lies. professor dershowitz, i know you took great offense on conspiracy tv msnbc.re why do you punish yourself like that? i have no idea. nobody's really watching. but the important question is, you have said this, you are not the biggest donald trump supporter politically. but to you, this is important, because it's about civil liberties, our constitution. i don't think professor dershowitz like such fisa judges were purposefully lied to, and that they gave them false information to obtain a warrant and an american citizen and tried to impact an election. these things i think he finds disconcerting. >> more than disconcerting, i
find them on constitutional. when members of the justice department seek a warrant and deliberately withhold the two most crucial pieces of information, namely, that the dossier was paid for by people trying to defeat donald trump for president, and withholding the fact that the credibility of the witness, who was providing the information, may turn on the fact that he claims he is evidence that donald trump engaged in these kind of salacious things with the bed and urine, if they had called back to the fisa court, the fisa court would have discounted the credibility of a witness. a witness who can come up with that kind of nonsense is not the kind of witness who would justify granting a warrant to survey all americans. >> sean: what about rod rosenstein and comey? are they supposed to verify it? are they supposed to make sure that judges are fully informed and they knew that hillary paid for that? >> if they knew that, and they
saw the actual application, then theyon committed a serious violation. they should be askedio why those two pieces of information in particular were willfully andma deliberately withheld from the fisa court. the other side says maybe they would have granted it anyway. we know fisa court's grant winds really easy. there should be a revision of the way fisa courts operate, there should be a devil's advocate who is arguing against the granting of the application. these two pieces of information, i want to hear from rosenstein and others, why did they justify withholding those two pieces of information, if they knew this and they knew the fisa court would want to know that? >> sean: 19 pages unredacted, david schoen, of the last warrant that rod rosenstein signed off on, because i hear that it is devastating to him and to others. let the american people see all of it.
>> that's a key point. respectfully, professor dershowitz, he's right on track but there's not a question about what rod rosenstein i knew. we know that he signed off on at least the last renewal. the rules of the fisa court expressly provide that if there is any -- any -- error, doesn't even have to be material error, error that must be corrected, the court must be notified immediately in writing. if there was any error or omission. specifically in the rules, from any prior application. >> sean: i have three get, great lawyers on the show tonight. if i lie to a judge, purposely misleded a court, let's say i deleted subpoenaed emails, i asked and watch my hard drive with wage but and i busted out my device, do you think you could get me out of jail? >> [laughs] >> sean: professor dershowitz, you are laughing. >> i i could get you out of jai. >> sean: the only way you will
get me out of his cake and a file? >> obstruction of justice. i think i could demonstrate to you that neither mueller's case against trump, nor your case against hillary clinton amounted to an obstruction of justice. >> sean: wait a minute. they subpoena sean hannity, and i delete 33,000 emails. then i use bleach bit, gregg, then a bust of the devices. laissez i go to robert mueller. he recently asked for every witness to hand over their blackberries and iphones. i said, if i ever advised people, bad. and i did what hillary did, and here's the busted up devices what i be arrested? >> you what. >> sean: would you get me out? >> no. i would leave you there. [laughter] >> i would get you out. >> comey admitted in his testimony, nobody pays attention to this, comey admitted that hillary clinton gave classified
documents to people without security clearance. that alone should have been a crime. not to mention theho fact that - these people did the exact same thing on the smaller scale for hillary clinton and they were prosecuted. >> sean: how many people do you write do you identify? >> six. >> >> sean: david schoen, last word. >> there are many reasons mr. comey has to be brought before congress, not on a backdoor hearing. public testimony. he may think he will get his singers in, got to be examined about the many things in the ig report about his legs that are still under investigation, by the ig, theon fundamental problem here is that there is no integrity in the pr. for mr. mueller's team throughout the process. that is what is fundamentally most effective. >> sean: professor dershowitz, thank you. the only one who said you could get me out. thank you. >> i could get you out, i just don't want to get you out. >> sean: i hope you -- that is
really horrible. >> i'm only kidding. >> sean: big interview with the president's attorney, rudy giuliani. i loveen your book. i'm kidding. it was a joke. straight ahead. ♪
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i bought my tickets on stubhub. you got them for free. >> he said the only politician politician -- >> sean: long story. let's stay in business. there is no -- >> i had a long talk with john dowd today. i believe, talking to the people that were involved in the investigation, i thanked john for all the cooperation he gave, put us in a position where we don't have to cooperate. we gave them 1.4 million documents. 32 witnesses. president trump has answered every question. and now they are looking at his. tweets. >> sean: trying to influence -- >> i prosecute obstruction ofon justice. obstruction of justice by tweets to them. checked impeach a president? god bless us. >> sean: you said maybe you
would let him answer a fuel limited questions. >> i don't want to give them a false impression. given the last revelations, we've been -- we don't think they have a legitimate investigation. >> sean: do you think they are going to subpoena you? will there be a constitutional right? >> then there's a constitutional fight. i think we won. one of the main ingredients -- >> sean: i was here when you were mayor. you are not shy when it comes to fights. >> we [bleep] on my clinton and the supreme court, i won my own case, and have one of the bus supreme court lawyers, youe knw him, jay sekulow. 39 cases in the supreme court. >> sean: he's won 90% of them. >> that is to say we got the better part of thehe argument. we have presidential privilege, can't be subpoenaed, you have the fact that even if he can be subpoenaed, you have to show particularized need and of john dowd's memo of four months ago
show, they have no particularized need. they have everything. let's take an example. mr. president, why did you fire comey? a is already expended over and over again. you either believe it or not, buton don't think we are sucker. you believe a liar like comey. or one of the other lawyers -- they are very good friends. >> sean: robert mueller waser denied the day before he got a special counsel job. >> comey is more discredited than anyone in this investigation. he cannot be believed. so if you are telling me you will believe comey's word against the president, than i know you are trying to trap him into perjury. >> sean: do you think -- what happens -- for example, what happens if mueller decides he wants to take this all the way and subpoenaed the president of the united states? >> we go to the supreme court and we find out if he can.
never been decided. the only subpoena to the president that has happened is to bill clinton. it was withdrawn. it's never been decided. we'll have a case, we will find out. thenen we have cases of lesser officials that were subpoenaed. documents of a subpoena. you always have to show particularized need. if you have to show particularized need for a commerce secretary, labor secretary, you sure as heck have to show up for a president. tell me they particularized need to. they will lose on that. they will say, we want to hear what he said about flynn. well, he said about one, i never had that conversation. so why are you calling the grand jury to that? because he want to wrap them with a perjury charge when you couldn't bring a regular charge against him. >> sean:gu the president -- >> martha stewart. >> sean: martha stewart didn't do anything. they didn't get her on any crimes. >> this is martha stewart.
who did martha stewart? jim comey. >> sean: scary. it's scary. if you can get them on the crime, they will get them on something else. >> it doesn't matter how serious the crime is. >> sean: let's go to mueller -- >> let's get a celebrity tweet. >> sean: what about that she worked there. >> i have no objections to them. >> sean: why are they bringing in the cfo of the trump organization? >> a thousand reasons. i have been through, and our lawyers have been through, including our washington or new york lawyers, we have been through every one of the documents they have given us, every document relating to president trump. he is whistle clean and that investigation. that is why we quickly weaved the privilege. the minute comey leaked that first conversation between cohen and the president where he secretly recorded the president and lied to him and pretty much
threw himself out of the bar, i mean, the legall bar, we put it out. then he said -- putting out stuff about the cuomo tape, where he went through this horrible stuff, hiding his tape recorder -- >> sean: will these be made public, all of them? >> eventually. >> sean: what about -- >> they alld should be made public tonight. >> sean: what about the brennan? andrew weissmann, who was excoriated for withholding -- >> having been a longtime prosecutor in the justice department, andrew weissman would be regarded by many defense lawyers and prosecutors as disgraced -- he said cases were reversed he's been excoriated -- it might sound like a strange thing but he is withheld exculpatory evidence. you know what that mean? 's got evidence that i am evidence that i am innocent ande keeps it. he sends me to jail. >> sean: four merrill executives went to jail for a
year. >> a nightmare. when i first -- we have a lot of guilty people to prosecute. you don't prosecute an innocent one. when it's close to the line -- >> sean:d give them a benefit of the doubt. >> my friend sylvia used to say, you know something, if you let theme, go, can't be a problem, they'll be back again. [laughter] >> sean: probably true. how does jeanie ray work for the clinton foundation? >> hearted the guy who gave 36 w did the guy who was crying at hillary's -- because he's -- i will give him the benefit of the doubt. he is so arrogant he doesn't care about appearances. all of us have to -- you realiz realize, what "the new york times" would have done, if i had been made a special prosecutor for hillary clinton? and i hired ken starr? [laughter] >> sean: mr. mayor, good to see it.
i really do like the ring. i'm glad that you had to pay for it, though. >> [laughs] >> sean: president trump fed up with the illegal immigration crisis at the southern border. we have drastic actions. michelle malkin weighs in on that. a key issue in 99 days. straight ahead. ♪ be -and we welcome back gary,
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we have to change our laws. weng do that through congress. i would certainly be willing to close it down. get it done. >> sean: that was the president early today reiterating his comments are more over the weekend, and that is today the doj announced "a jordanian national residing in monterrey, monterrey, mexico, arrested saturday on arrival at jfk international airport to face criminal complaint issued in the western district of texas for his role in a scheme to smuggle specialbe interest aliens from mexico into the u.s.." the doj goes on to explain that heren jordanian national conspid to smuggle six yemeni nationals across the southern border in e. i want to correct something in the last segment with the mayor. i misspoke. i mentioned former new york city mayor david deacon pretty much governor patterson. we were talking about yankee tickets. i apologize. and almost went very well, get along with them great.
disagreed with them both,lo especially the u.s. open tennis every year. joining us now, the host of "michelle malkin investigates, award-winning show. they somehow screwed up and gave an award to a conservative. ihe have no idea how. >> [laughs] >> sean: howrv are you? this is the agenda. they want to impeach the president, they want their comes back, they want to eliminate i.c.e., open borders, obamacare, and they want the investigations to end. if i am wrong, if there is something i'm missing that the democrats are offering the american people, please tell me, because that is all they say or that is only want to do. >> that is a bottomha line, sea, it's not just abolishing i.c.e., it's abolishing the last founding principle that has helped preserve the greatness of our country. with particular regard to immigration, i can't tell you how relieved i am that we have a president who made promises to forgotten men and women in this country and is keeping them, and he's not just fighting the open border democrats.
he is fighting the beltway establishment, the u.s. chamber of commerce types, the corporate interests, that have allied themselves with the radical left to try and sabotage our immigration laws and makeot us less to save and less prosperou. everything that president trump mentioned, chain migration, the diversity visa lottery, catch and release, are policies that i have underscored, they have weekend our country since i came up with "invasion. i was talking about it on your show 16 years ago, sean! it is a sign of beltway g.o.p. fecklessness that we have got to make to mcconnell once again saying, wait. wait, american people. how many times do they say that? it is lucy and charlie brown with the football and people have had enough of it. this is the losing bargain that we should have learned from 1986 in the reagan amnesty, it never works. amnesty first and forfeit later,
it never, ever comes. >> sean: just like a tax increase, you never get the spending cuts. here's the important question. i think the president's message by saying he would be willing to shut down the government, i don't know, republicans are afraid, if obama as president, they'll get blamed, if trump is president, they will get blamed. my question is specific. don't think his message was for chucky and nancy pelosi. i think his message was for mcconnell and ryan. you are going to fund the wall. i keep my promises, whether you do or not. i think you should follow through on it. >>ow yes, i absolutely do come too. otherwise we will get a repeat of the same kind of disasters we had under the bushe administration, where the secure fence act was signed with great hullabaloo in 2006 and we still have 400, 500 miles of unprotected border that was supposed to have a fence on it, more than a decade ago. people are tired of the same promises and expedience where
the grassroots of the republican party are used, abused, o exploited, and then tossed out the window as soon as these people are reelected. thank goodness paul ryan is going to be out of there! i think jim jordan is exactly the kind of change that we need! >> sean: i'm asking every conservative i know because this, for some conservatives, i'm not a brewpub -- are not even a registered republican. i'm a registered conservative, would you can do in new york. for real conservatives that find themselves in a position that there particular congressman, congresswoman, senator, is a rhino, and now we know what the democratic agenda is, to impeach, crumbs back, open borders, obamacare, stop the investigations into the deep state, what do you say if they don't want to vote for a rhino? i say it is too important for the president's agenda, and for forward progress of the country, that you have to suck it up.
i hate to tell people to suck it up. i hate that it's a better of two evils but it really is in this case. to speak >> those are cost-benefit calculations that every voter has to make. we had to continue to more pressure on and expose the radical leftists within theur republican party who are essentially undercutting the president. >> sean: they are not going to align themselves with pelosi and maxine waters and other radical democrats and try and impeach h this man and stop all progress of this country, which has been pretty phenomenal, and 18 month months. >> i would say that, yes, it is buyer beware. you have to make sure that these people are not going to betray you because we've seen that over and over and over again, whether it's on immigration or not. >> sean: you yelled at me once because they made the lesser of two evil choice. i remember the phone call. it was done in love. i deserved it at the time. michelle malkin. great to see you. when we come back, trump
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said, this is news, as did cnn. lichen watergate, you have a very serious news organization, cnn, watergate, "the washington post," making judgments about what is news. that is really the most important thing that we do when we go out and do our reporting. >> donald trump is authoritarian. he wants people to believe that the only truth,al the one and oy truth, comes from him. orwell, what he wrote, practically a shooting script for donald trump. i'm not suggesting that donald trump read it. the evidence t says he doesn't read much. >> sean: e that is who we count on. dan rather. here was a reaction, salem radio talk show host, larry elder. former secret service agent, nra tv contributor, dan bongino. larry, you are laughing. looking at the corrupt news man ever who made crack up! i would love to say what he really made up. he made it up.
>> sean, where does one start with this trump derangement syndrome? trump is being hammered because he did notot accept the findings of the intelligence community as to russian meddling. these are the same people who accused george w. bush of lying us into the war even though george w. bush relied on all 16, the unanimous opinion, have our intelligence agencies, that site that saddam hussein had stockpiles at the highest level of certainty.pi george bush relied at the intelligence committee, the very same people slamming donald trump accused george w. bush. where do you start with the george w. bush? could not have any columnists who are pro-trump. a lot of antagonism toward the president from "the washington post," and president trump is giving it back. it is about time. >> sean: they are so upset about the president not only seeing fake news but enemy of the people. i just think what the president is saying, my interpretation, dan bongino, he is saying, you are not serving
the american people's truth. you tell a lot of lies. you have an agenda. therefore, if you don't do your job, that is where that comment to me comes from. i look at "the new york times." "the new york times" has competing articles the day after election day 2020. they are living in a fantasy world. it is really bizarre. >> sean, put yourself for a second -- i know it's tough because you are a rational person -- in the eyes, and the seat of a mainstream media figure today. years ago, you know this, larry knows that, we were told don't hustle with the mainstream medi media. they incorporated by the barrel. you are going to lose. the mainstream media knew that. they were like, this is great. reconstruct conservatives, all we have to do is impugn you by calling you a racist or anything ending in a ist or a phobe. donald trump not only scrap that
model, he made his brand reversing the model. i don't think they will recover. >> sean: larry? >> and along came social media and twitter and now trump can communicate a 100 million americans without having to go through "the washington post" or cnn or "the new york times." let's member "the washington post" has never endorsed a republican president in its history. "the new york times" hasn't endorsed one since 1956. so donald trump is recognizing this. he knows he's got to take them on hand that has been made able to do that in an effective fashion. i'm impressed. >> sean: you have two cable networks, maybe they believe their own b.s. dan bongino, maybe they do. but it is every minute of every day, seven days a week, for three long years now, that they just obsess on hating this president and feigning outrage every day. >> i wonder that, too.
i am being serious, i'm often sarcastic on your show, but it is obviously not helping your business model. print media is dying. cnn is losing to the bob ross reruns on pbs. people are watching beach house sales on hdtv from seven years ago rather than watching cnn. you wonder why they sit around in a room and they say, okay -- like, you have to believe -- you almost want to believe for the sense of rationality that they do believena it even though it's crazy because then they would be insane otherwise. >> sean: thank you both. larry, great to see you. dan bongino, thank you. when we come back, the great one -- i always say mark is the great one. the great rush limbaugh on to shut downhreat the government over border security. that is next.enit what does he say? straight ahead. ♪ so you have, your headphones, chair,
think about it? let's take a look. >> trump is showing he isli not afraid of a government shutdown which believe, the base of thisu party loves. the base of this republican party -- we know now, by the way, when you have any poll that shows that trump has 85-90% of the republican party, the republican base is trump's now. it's not a bunch of populist nationalists. it's the mainstream of the republican party that supports trump. they hate this cowering before the democrats and the media over government shutdowns. they hate giving up every policy idea in the face of the blackmail of government shutdowns. they love trump saying, he'd be willing to do it over this because the issueey of immigratn is what got him elected. >> sean: i am with rush. shut it down. shut it down. the people with the president. that is all the time we have left this evening.h remember, this show was always going to be fair and balanced.d. we are not and never will be the