constitutional conservative. bill: they are not? they are not proven fighters. i have a record when i was in the minnesota state house for six years and also now in congress i will be going on my sixth year. in all of that time, i have been a person who has been trying to fight against the political class and the ruling class. that s what the american people want right now, bill. bill: i don t want to put words in your mouth so you stop me if i do. so what you are saying is that you are more qualified to look out for the little guy, the regular american than the guys like romney, pawlenty, newt gingrich who you will be running against should you choose to do so. that has been my history. that is what i have always done. i m a tax lawyer. i started as a very successful business. i have been the mother of five children. 23 foster children. my husband and i started the first k-12 charter school in the country for at risk kids. we have a track record of not just talking about thing
that s the administration saying it looks like he s going to survive. we re going to throw in our lot with the dictator you see statistic swings going back and forth. so the quo is, what can make the difference? i ve got the answer. it s called money. the difference between the trade embargo that we hit south africa with during apartheid, and the difference with iraq when we hit them with sanctions, is there were different sets of people it was affecting. when you did it in iraq and it was just saddam hussein, he was like, whatever, who cares? when you did it in south africa, there was a ruling class that was wider. they said, well, i don t like losing money. when they got unhappy about losing money, they told the apartheid government you better step, and we got reform. in egypt the ruling classes the upper class of the military, the ruling class and the business,
i believe in basic principles. i would also argue that most of america does fall into the center. we re not hard right or hard left. no. more people are self identifying now as independents. i m sure you know this. than they are republican or democrat. it suggests to me they re tired of the partisan warfare and want a conversation that s civil. they want people who are going to speak for them. 20% gallup says they identify as liberal, 42% identify as conservative. 42. america is a center right country. and they don t see cnn as a center right network. so you said americans are frightened about their financial circumstances, and angry at the ruling class, such as spitzer and parker. now, here s my problem with that. nobody i can say nobody in the past ten years has gone after wall street and the plutocracy tougher than i did. i wanted to ask a question.
mind when i tell you you re wrong. because i think the two of us are not only open-minded on every issue, we battle and go to facts and first principles about what makes this country great, which is about markets, capitalism, democracy, tolerance. i m no liberal, no conservative. i believe in basic principles. i would also argue that most of america does fall into the center. we re not hard right or hard left. no. more people are self identifying now as independents. i m sure you know this. than they are republican or democrat. it suggests to me they re tired of the partisan warfare and want a conversation that s civil. they want people who are going to speak for them. 20% gallup says they identify as liberal, 42% identify as conservative. 42. america is a center right country. and they don t see cnn as a center right network. so you said americans are frightened about their financial circumstances, and angry at the ruling class, such as spitzer and parker. now, here s my pro
well, i ran into david gergen, somebody who is known for decades and i like david, and we were talking, and david now lives at harvard, he s part of the cnn crew here. everywhere i look at cnn, i see the ruling class. and when you look at fox, you see people that you could see maybe living next door to you, you know, being a colleague at work. i moved here from camden, south carolina, i mean, come on. kathleen, how many times do you see conservatives on cnn who are articulate and will challenge an eliot spitzer? i have to tell you, they re hard to find, because fox has got them on payroll. but we re looking for you richard, once before i said this in this program. that was fun to listen to, but you didn t answer the question. give me a specific case. give me a specific case where we at cnn did not tell the facts as they were. no, no.