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primary debates. we will see. do you see a scenario where he may also not attend general election debates, if he's a nominee, and there aren't general election debates at all? >> he's a historical narcissist. it's hard for me to see him not doing that. that being said, if he likes where the races at that point, as scary as that is, he may not. the truth is, you know, the debates helped him in 16. in both the primary and the general, as much as the polls might have suggested otherwise. certainly helped him with turnout. in 20, i think joe biden did very well in that first debate. but i think at the end of the day, the debate stage has been friendly to trump, for the most part. i think it's hard for me to imagine him not participating in that. at the end of the day, we will see. i think he is as unpredictable a candidate as we've ever seen in modern times. he basically has -- his kitchen cabinet, it's an insult to kitchen cabinets to use that term.

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bit. >> that will help, i think, push judge chutkan to an earlier trial date if they are not trying to legitimately present a trial date that it is an honest assessment of how much time they think they are going to need. i can't wait until next monday. i want to see what judge chutkan does. i think she understands that everybody, including the american people, have a keen interest in getting this case resolved well in advance of the 2024 election. >> do you agree on the timeline, early next year? >> i do agree. if it's feasible. i think out of all of these cases, i think the strongest by far concerns the january 6th federal january 6th case, and bringing that case to trial, ideally as quick as possible. i also agree that the setting of a trial date, anytime you have litigation and competing position of parties can be a bit like a settlement and a bid and ask scenario. prosecutors put forward a date, trump's lawyers have put forward a date that is so absurd i think chutkan will set it aside. -- that really is the main center of gravity is going to be the

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there's always this debate about whether debates matter. debate whether debates matter. this year, trump has said he's not going to attend other primary debates. we will see. do you see a scenario where he may also not attend general election debates, if he's a nominee, and there aren't general election debates at all? >> he's a historical narcissist. it's hard for me to see him not doing that. that being said, if he likes where the races at that point, as scary as that is, he may not. the truth is, you know, the debates helped him in 16. in both the primary and the general, as much as the polls might have suggested otherwise. certainly helped him with turnout. in 20, i think joe biden did very well in that first debate. but i think at the end of the day, the debate stage has been friendly to trump, for the most part. i think it's hard for me to imagine him not participating in that. at the end of the day, we will see. i think he is as unpredictable a candidate as we've ever seen in modern times.

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engaged in legitimate lawyering. it really feels like they are assistant campaign chairman at this point. >> it feels ludicrous, a little bit. >> that will help, i think, push judge chutkan to an earlier trial date if they are not trying to legitimately present a trial date that it is an honest assessment of how much time they think they are going to need. i can't wait until next monday. i want to see what judge chutkan does. i think she understands that everybody, including the american people, have a keen interest in getting this case resolved well in advance of the 2024 election. >> do you agree on the timeline, early next year? >> i do agree. if it's feasible. i think out of all of these cases, i think the strongest by far concerns the january 6th federal january 6th case, and bringing that case to trial, ideally as quick as possible. i also agree that the setting of a trial date, anytime you have litigation and competing position of parties can be a bit like a settlement and a bid and ask scenario. prosecutors put forward a date, trump's lawyers have put forward a date that is so

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