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Alex Witt hosts coverage of national and international news, including breaking stories. Two items, the Collusion Case and the obstruction case. What would the president consider sitting down two with the approval of his attorneys . How much has this conversation evolved . Well, i think we have to take everything Rudy Giuliani says with a grain of salgt. And when were only hearing about these conversations from him, it is very unclear to me how accurate he is in relaying those conversations. But...

Lets take that as a jumping off point here just to talk about the way i think you could say cynical way in which the president is using something like this. >> well, racism and race wait bawait -- race-baiting is clearly the best tool he thinks he has. this is a changing country. nonwhite children outpace the birth of white children. the country is changing. now, you can be someone more like barack obama in this way and you can actually appeal to peoples better angels and say listen, there is no...