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Optimal outcome here, that actually makes everybody better off, which china has to realize and that is they are going to have to negotiate. they are going to have to change their behavior and have to agree to pay more for intellectual property and reduce their tariff trade barriers. eye talked to a lot of ceos who say we cant penetrate the china market because they have somg barriers. >> im not disagreeing with you, its whether or not the off-ramp is there -- >> let me tell you -- >> let me say ...